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Aerolineas Argentinas Orders 20 New Boeing 737  
User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1010 posts, RR: 8
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5287 times:
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Did not see this being on the forum before.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...ntinas-place-orders-20-new-boeing-
737s/3168961/

Wonder why they did not order the 737MAX? Or are they picking up the 738s for cheap?

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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

I'm glad to hear that Boeing is getting some sales from AR!

Quoting planemannyc (Thread starter):
Or are they picking up the 738s for cheap?

Most likely, AR is in deep financial trouble.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

I can't access the article but seeing that there is no press release on the Boeing website I can only think that these "new" 737-800's will be second hand. Or, Boeing will send a press release later, in that case we are talking about brandnew aircraft.

A388


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
I can't access the article but seeing that there is no press release on the Boeing website I can only think that these "new" 737-800's will be second hand. Or, Boeing will send a press release later, in that case we are talking about brandnew aircraft.

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/392465121068339200



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
I can't access the article but seeing that there is no press release on the Boeing website I can only think that these "new" 737-800's will be second hand. Or, Boeing will send a press release later, in that case we are talking about brandnew aircraft.

A388

You should think again.   Planes will be brand new.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-10-...eement-for-20-Next-Generation-737s

Saludos,



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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/392465121068339200
Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):

Congrats AR!


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
You should think again. Planes will be brand new.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-10-...eement-for-20-Next-Generation-737s

Saludos,

LOL okay, I stand corrected. I didn't see that article. Great news for AR and Boeing.

A388


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Are AR planning a large scale expansion?.

User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6594 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
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Great news for AR.Some people may hate the CEO and AR, judging by one poster here especially, but he actually seems to be doing the right things.

[Edited 2013-10-23 11:55:01]

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

How many 737NG slots are still available before the 737MAX starts delivering? Dumb question, but since the 737NG is still popular, is it possible Boeing could continue offing it after the MAX starts delivering..as a cheaper option? Kind of like what Apple does when it introduces a new iPhone.

User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

A surprising order. Like most I thought AR were is deep financial doodoo. Glad to see some form of recovery. A great sized order too. I wouldn't be surprised to see top ups in the future.


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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6594 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
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Quoting garpd (Reply 10):
A surprising order. Like most I thought AR were is deep financial doodoo. Glad to see some form of recovery. A great sized order too. I wouldn't be surprised to see top ups in the future.

I imagine their entry into Skyteam has really grown their market in South America.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 9):
How many 737NG slots are still available before the 737MAX starts delivering?

This is an useful article to answer your question a bit:

http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20...03/pricing-pressure-on-b737ng.html



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 9):
is it possible Boeing could continue offing it after the MAX starts delivering..as a cheaper option?

It's not uncommon for there to be some overlap where both the older and newer generation planes are in production simultaneously. Boeing was still building 737 "Classics" into the early 2000s.

IIRC, Airbus said they plan to continuing offering the current A320 alongside the NEO.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
This is an useful article to answer your question a bit:

I am not sure if the numbers are accurate but I found this article to be very interesting. There are certainly going to be a lot of new aircraft out there. The leasing guys' jobs are getting harder and harder. I imagine balancing these backlogs is difficult for the OEMs. They want to have just the right amount of availability so they can sell frames but not too many open spaces where they will have to discount. I have to imagine that the Next Gen is going to have to discount more and more with each year that passes but the NEO being sold out for a number of years does relieve some of the stress.

Since the article was written Boeing has sold ~320 more next gens and moved up MAX EIS by about three months (~126 less Next Gen positions to sell). That should take the number of slots to be about 680 based on the article's premise. They have sold about 430 Next Gens in the last year so 680 units sold before 2020 does not sound like it will be too difficult.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 13):
It's not uncommon for there to be some overlap where both the older and newer generation planes are in production simultaneously.

Not only is it not uncommon it is practically impossible to do otherwise. The demand is above 40+/month for each the A320 and the 737 and you cannot produce a new variant at those rates on day one as the supply chain would be an absolute mess and the FAL needs time to learn the new systems. So there will need to be overlap until production.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 13):
Boeing was still building 737 "Classics" into the early 2000s.

I believe they delivered a total of 2 in 2000. So technically you are correct.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 13):
IIRC, Airbus said they plan to continuing offering the current A320 alongside the NEO.

The A320ceo line won't be closed before 2018.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3374 times:
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Is this for a mix of 73G and 73Hs? In Argentina, is the 73G a better performer because of altitude etc., over the 73H?

User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6594 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 16):
is the 73G a better performer because of altitude etc., over the 73H?

AEP which is where most of AR´s operations take place is at sea level so I don´t think it´s an issue for them.

Would some of these 737s go for Austral?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
AEP which is where most of AR´s operations take place is at sea level so I don´t think it´s an issue for them.

How about flights to the deep south of the country? Could a 738 do EZE-USH with a full pax and cargo load nonstop? I know both are at sea level, but the distance is very long.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6594 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
How about flights to the deep south of the country? Could a 738 do EZE-USH with a full pax and cargo load nonstop? I know both are at sea level, but the distance is very long.

I suppose that during certain times of the year, winter with snow storms or summer with thunderstorms, it might be. In the winter because the amount of fuel they may need to carry in case of their alternate being too far can be a lot and summer because of all the navigating around the storms. In those parts they can be huge and very tall. But I don´t see it as a problem otherwise. It´s 1,479 mi. so it´s within the range of the 738s.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
It´s 1,479 mi. so it´s within the range of the 738s.

Thanks. I agree.



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User currently offlineAircanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1386 times:

what I dont understand is an airline that is needing millions of dollars per day from the government is able to buy 20 new jets.


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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting AircanadaA330 (Reply 21):

what I dont understand is an airline that is needing millions of dollars per day from the government is able to buy 20 new jets.

What I was wondering is who on their right mind would finance these jets? I wonder if Boeing demanded more conservative deposit terms before accepting the orders.



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