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Superjet Works Well At Interjet  
User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

There is a thread started for this but it was locked, why I don't know. Anyway, finally some good new for Sukhoi and Alenia, 99% reliability is not to shabby for new aircraft:

http://airinsight.com/2013/10/29/sup...source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

“Passengers are very happy with the aircraft. The SSJ100 is confirming its superior aerodynamics and outstanding performance. We are very proud of the new SSJ100: it is currently the only regional aircraft with a 5 abreast configuration enabling mainline comfort with reduced operating costs and the flexibility of a regional jet to be operated in small airports; the SSJ100 is a key choice for Interjet’s development plan focused on serving Mexico’s domestic mid-density routes as well as some short-haul international ones” says Jose Luis Garza, CEO Interjet.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7477 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

It's good to see that it's working well for them. That program needs a break like this.


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User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13308 times:

The SSJ is an interesting aircraft. The fuel burn penalties for not being near your optimum altitude is horrendous! In standard config, full pax, 200NM alternate & 30mins hold, you still have about 4 tons to spare to your MLW... so it's a useful cargo hauler too. The downside is that the approach speed at MLW is about 147 knots (Vref 142 giving Vapp of 147 at no wind), this is why one needs 1600m as minimum runway to dispatch the plane into...

I talked to some of the crew at Sky Aviation here, their SSJ crew seem to love it,,,



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12381 times:

Good news for the program, which IMO really needs to deliver more aircraft to airlines out there, to have more exposure to more customers and regions. Having a broad customer and aircraft base helps in discovering and troubleshooting issues - and the current 20ish aircraft is not exactly a large statistical base.

Sukhoi has issued a press release on the good reliability at Interjet as well:
http://www.superjetinternational.com...100-confirm-successful-operations/

After 4 weeks of operation, 99.03% dispatch reliability and 9.74hrs average daily utilization. 600 flight hrs and 580 cycles accumulated. Max daily utilization was 11hrs.


User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12244 times:

You can follow it here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmEt8JO6g23FdGZXZlprb3ZpNUt6TFRHOUtVY3Bzcnc&output=html

Very nice utilization rate
Engines seems OK also

Mandala499, i'll be interested in more insight on this plane 


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12222 times:

Interesting.

If Sukhoi can maintain a good experience for one first-world carrier (and I think doing so in the western hemisphere is a psychological benefit), perhaps hey can break further into the market.

Competition, she's a good thing!



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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

I had booked a MEX-ZAC flight just to make a Trip report, but I have been super busy at work to take a day off, I hope to make one in less than 3 weeks!..

TRB



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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12024 times:
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Good for 4O! I can't wait to fly on one! Any chances they will start any new routes out of SNA with it?

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11832 times:
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Quoting r2rho (Reply 3):
After 4 weeks of operation, 99.03% dispatch reliability and 9.74hrs average daily utilization. 600 flight hrs and 580 cycles accumulated. Max daily utilization was 11hrs.

   *Far* better than I expected. Kudos to Interjet and Sukhoi.

This is the news the program needed. Now to sell enough to have economy of scale...

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
Competition, she's a good thing!

   Soon add the MRJ...

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User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

In the meanwhile the third SSJ for Interjet (XA-JLV) took off from Venice this afternoon and is going to arrive in Mexico on November 7.


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User currently offlineskyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11696 times:

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 7):

Good for 4O! I can't wait to fly on one! Any chances they will start any new routes out of SNA with it?

SNA seems to me, to be to far for the SSJ100 even from GDL. 4O best International route for this airplane seems to be MEX-SAT on a double daily basis. The A320 has to much capacity and with FL and 5D on the route flying 73G and E190s or E145s.


User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11423 times:
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Great news for the SSJ program, I really hope to see one in Italy in the future.... Fingers crossed!

User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11083 times:
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Quoting skyone (Reply 10):

I don't see what you're talking, from what I can see on the Sukhoi website, it's should have the legs to make it to the LA area from MEX and GDL. What about new routes to SNA? Like SDJ-SNA? They could offer AirTran some competition. http://www.scac.ru/en/aircraft/performance/2010/


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11075 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 3):
After 4 weeks of operation, 99.03% dispatch reliability and 9.74hrs average daily utilization. 600 flight hrs and 580 cycles accumulated. Max daily utilization was 11hrs.

It's probably outdoing the 787 on dispatch reliability at this point  



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 9):
In the meanwhile the third SSJ for Interjet (XA-JLV) took off from Venice this afternoon and is going to arrive in Mexico on November 7.

Anyone know the ferry routes that they are using?



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Anyone know the ferry routes that they are using?

Here it is going through BGR...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIJ1502


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 9):In the meanwhile the third SSJ for Interjet (XA-JLV) took off from Venice this afternoon and is going to arrive in Mexico on November 7.
Anyone know the ferry routes that they are using?

Skyliner aviation posted the following information about the ferry flight:


  Sukhoi RRJ 95B 95028
  XA-JLV InterJet
  delivery 05-07nov13 VCE-KEF-YYR-BGR-TLC
  ex I-PDVY


Here is the path:




User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10784 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 13):

LOL  


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Here is a more detailed map:

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=vce-kef-yyr-bgr-tlc&MS=wls&MR=600&MX=576x288+&PM=*


The longest segment is BGR-TLC:

VCE (45°30'19"N 12°21'07"E) KEF (63°59'06"N 22°36'20"W) 326.0° (NW) 1852 mi
KEF (63°59'06"N 22°36'20"W) YYR (53°19'09"N 60°25'33"W) 258.9° (W)  1519 mi
YYR (53°19'09"N 60°25'33"W) BGR (44°48'27"N 68°49'41"W) 216.2° (SW)  700 mi
BGR (44°48'27"N 68°49'41"W) TLC (19°20'13"N 99°33'58"W) 235.2° (SW) 2488 mi


In the first delivery, the SSJ made 2 stops between BGR and TLC; as of second delivery Sukhoi realized the aircraft can make it nonstop.

[Edited 2013-11-05 16:53:59]

User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3404 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 12):
What about new routes to SNA?
Quoting mandala499 (Reply 2):
The downside is that the approach speed at MLW is about 147 knots (Vref 142 giving Vapp of 147 at no wind), this is why one needs 1600m as minimum runway to dispatch the plane into...

Don't know how this all shakes out, but perhaps performance out of SNA would provide hurdles at high weights?



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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10581 times:
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Quoting doug_Or (Reply 19):
Don't know how this all shakes out, but perhaps performance out of SNA would provide hurdles at high weights?

Well, all aircraft have troubles at SNA at high weights due to the short runway. But, any routes that the SSJ operates out of SNA (if they do) would be short hops to maybe TIJ, or HMO.


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

Only in Spanish, here one of the first trip reports of Interjet's SSJ100:

http://flyapm.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209

g77



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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10395 times:
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Quoting ghost77 (Reply 21):

Looks very nice inside! Can't wait to fly on it! As the passangers said "Qué bonito Avión"


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 21):
Only in Spanish, here one of the first trip reports of Interjet's SSJ100:

http://flyapm.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209

Thanks, what was obvious was how wide and comfortable the cabin was, the aisle was wide enough for him to pass the service cart when going to the wc, it is 3.27m wide and the Cseries is 3.28m. They will establish a new comfort level for a 5 abreast short hauler.

The major difference between the SSJ and the Cseries will be fuel burn as the engines burn 15% more fuel, they have the spec of a CFM5-7B.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7477 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Soon add the MRJ...

I can't wait   

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 18):
Here is a more detailed map:

What a flight....



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10398 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 21):

The link does not work me.


User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 23):

SSJ is almost 1 t lighter (BOW) than E190 (comparing Yakutia 93PAX layout with Virgin australia 104 PAS layout)
And looks like fuel burn is close to CRJ1000
Not that bad I think
Do you know how Sam146 compare vs last CF34-10 and maybe PW1500G ?


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 27, posted (9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10628 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 26):
Do you know how Sam146 compare vs last CF34-10 and maybe PW1500G ?

The Sam146 is rather similar to CF34-10, both should be at TSFC 0.65 installed (Snecma gives the Sam146 as 0.63 uninstalled and GE the CF at 0.64), the PW1500G is in another class at around 0.55-56 installed. The Sam146 has a BPR of 4.4 and the CF34-10 5 but the PW1500 is norht of 10 at about 12-13, so very different engines and the GTF is about 15% better.



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Sorry, I should have asked vs PW1200G that is in the same league...

My guess is that the lightweight of the SSJ can do wonders on shorts hop even with rather low bypass ratio engines


User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Does the SSJ come with only one type of engine or are there multiple engines offered?

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 30, posted (9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10272 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 28):
Sorry, I should have asked vs PW1200G that is in the same league...

It looses bypass ratio to 9 as the fan i cropped, Wiki says it will loose 3% due to this, I would believe it, so the MRJ version would be at about about 0.58 where you also find bigger engines like T700, CF6-80E, PW 4168 etc.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 29):
Does the SSJ come with only one type of engine or are there multiple engines offered?

Only the Sam146 which is a joint development and production between Snecma (the second leg of CFM) and Russian company NPO Saturn, it is kind of a scaled down simplified CFM56, made for good high cycle durability and low maintenance costs, here a brochure:

http://www.snecma.com/IMG/files/fiche_sam146_ang_modulvoir_file_fr.pdf



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User currently offlinespantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

According to the trip report mentioned in Reply 21, the aft lavatory is "only ladies". I didn't know this "discrimination" existed on commercial planes. Another not so positive aspect is, according to the trip report, that windows are rather low, "à la CRJ-200", which is really unconfortable.


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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

Third SSJ (XA-JLV) has arrived:

  


The aircraft arrived at noon, local time.

[Edited 2013-11-06 13:11:06]

User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 33, posted (9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9775 times:
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Quoting spantax (Reply 31):
I didn't know this "discrimination" existed on commercial planes.

Ah, the Political Correctness police.

It´s on all aircraft of Interjet´s. It´s a very successful policy too. Akin to having women only cars on the subway. Is it discrimintaion? I don´t know. I´ve been to thousands of establishments where there are toilets for men and toilets for women. It sure works for 4O.

[Edited 2013-11-06 13:04:35]


MGGS
User currently offlineTy134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9249 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 30):
Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 28):Sorry, I should have asked vs PW1200G that is in the same league...
It looses bypass ratio to 9 as the fan i cropped, Wiki says it will loose 3% due to this, I would believe it, so the MRJ version would be at about about 0.58 where you also find bigger engines like T700, CF6-80E, PW 4168 etc.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 29):Does the SSJ come with only one type of engine or are there multiple engines offered?
Only the Sam146 which is a joint development and production between Snecma (the second leg of CFM) and Russian company NPO Saturn, it is kind of a scaled down simplified CFM56, made for good high cycle durability and low maintenance costs, here a brochure:

http://www.snecma.com/IMG/files/fich...r.pdf

But the Superjet was designed to fit larger diameter engines as well. So we may see a GTF Superjet as well. And don't forget, since they qill not build the shorter version, we will see the (130 pax?) strech hopefully soon! And from my IL9 ride this year I could learn how great Russian designes can be!!!

It seems that the SSJ is also miles ahead of the An-148/158, even thoug it is a nice ride as well. I've been on those several times, and they are WAY more comfortable than the older 735s and the Embraers, but from the economical side they are not so appealing...

See for yourself:
at the airport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k-ZK1IRHE
take off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNb1_vOjyxs
landing (1st commercial flight ever in Russia!!!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9adMXSmMW8g

Let's hope for the Superjet, can't wait to be on one...



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 35, posted (9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9175 times:

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 34):
It seems that the SSJ is also miles ahead of the An-148/158, even thoug it is a nice ride as well. I've been on those several times, and they are WAY more comfortable than the older 735s and the Embraers, but from the economical side they are not so appealing...

I don't think the AN-148 is that far behind on at least the fuel burn side, the deficit is then mostly on the aero side I guess as the Progress powerplant is in the same class as Sam146 and CRF34-10, TSFC on the test bench 0.63. The TBO might be another thing though   .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_D-436



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

Ferpe
D436 in not certified by western standards (Fan blade out is a problem I think)


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 37, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8884 times:
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Quoting Ty134A (Reply 34):
So we may see a GTF Superjet as well

Not until the current engine contract expires, which is at least 11 years away (unless the French were silly signing the contract...).

The main issue is the SAM146 missed promised fuel burn. The engine direly needs a PIP. But that won't happen until a few hundred aircraft are sold. Chicken and the egg...

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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 13):
It's probably outdoing the 787 on dispatch reliability at this point

lol good one!

[quote=AR385,reply=33]

happy decade of posting Compadre!!!

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 39, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8590 times:
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Superb! Such a great looking aircraft and certainly very nice inside. Are there any potential new orders that could arise from the belated shot in the arm for the Superjet program that this improved reliability might represent?


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User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 40, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
The main issue is the SAM146 missed promised fuel burn.

Do you know by how much? I wonder why the Sam146 was designed with such a low bypass ratio.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 41, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8309 times:
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Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 38):
happy decade of posting Compadre!!!

TRB

Thanks a lot my friend. I hope there is another decade coming.



MGGS
User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 42, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
Not until the current engine contract expires, which is at least 11 years away (unless the French were silly signing the contract...).

The SSJ130 is planned to have the GTF...
The SAM146 contract only covers SSJ100 (which includes the 100-95 in production today).

The bad news is that it seems the SSJ130 may be delayed...



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 43, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

I truly hope this a real shot in the arm of Superjet and that it also sorts some of the who does what issues they have been having. Seems the italian designed interior is getting high marks, also the support side seems to have geared up to the right level. Let it just continue like this and we will gradually have another player in the world market.

The Russians have a much better situation then the Chinense when it comes to know how and experience, they just needs to get them selves organised and going in the right direction. This might show the way.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 44, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8048 times:
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Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 40):
Do you know by how much? I wonder why the Sam146 was designed with such a low bypass ratio.

Per my sources 4%. Low bypass ratios are more optimal on shorter missions. It was a compromise designed to improve the SSJ's resale values later in life.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 42):
The SSJ130 is planned to have the GTF...

Source? I have Pratt contacts and *none* believe that to be the case. The SSJ will live and die off the SAM146 and growth of that engine. They will have right of first refusal.


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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8024 times:


News release about third delivery. Sukhoi highlights the superior performance and reliability of the 2 SSJ already in service:


Third Sukhoi Superjet 100 delivered to Interjet

November 6, 2013

On November 6, 2013 the third Sukhoi Superjet 100 for the Mexican airline Interjet landed in Toluca (Mexico) to join the other two SSJ100 already in service with the airline. The aircraft was rolled out from SuperJet International’s hangar in Venice (Italy) upon completion of customization and technical acceptance procedure on November 5, 2013. On the same day, the SSJ100, registered XA-JLV, took off from Venice Marco Polo airport for the ferry flight to Toluca (Mexico).

The airplane MSN 95028, flown by Interjet crew, during its ferry flight made technical stops in Keflyavik (Iceland) and Bangor (Maine, USA), then flew directly to Toluca (Mexico), thus confirming its outstanding performance on longer range routes.

“I am really proud because another new step has been done – states Nazario Cauceglia, Chief Executive Officer of SuperJet International – Another SSJ100 is now flying in the Americas and it is determined to become a competitive player in the regional segment. With more than two years in operations, the SSJ100 is proving to merge into a single product the comfort of a narrow-body with the reduced costs and flexibility of a regional jet”.

The first two SSJ100 currently in service with Interjet are confirming an outstanding performance with over 99% dispatch reliability and an average daily utilization of 9 flight hours.

The fourth aircraft to be delivered to Interjet (MSN 95036) is currently under completion at SuperJet International’s plant in Italy.

The SSJ100 is a state-of-the-art regional jet developed and built by Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company (SCAC), in partnership with Alenia Aermacchi. It incorporates the most modern Western technology and systems together with high standards of comfort available in the 100-seats segment. Interjet ordered 20 SSJ100 plus 10 options in the 93-seats (34’ pitch) configuration. The exclusive and comfortable interior are designed by Italian Company Pininfarina.


Source: http://www.superjetinternational.com/mediacenter/3135/




According to the article, the 4th SSJ is underway, hope that plane joins 4O fleet before year end...

[Edited 2013-11-07 13:07:19]

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 46, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Time for SkyWest to start talking with Superjet?


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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 47, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7356 times:

Are you serious ?
Indeed SSJ seems to become a credible alternative.
It might be too big for US feeders... but should do Ok for Europe


User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 48, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
Source? I have Pratt contacts and *none* believe that to be the case.

Source was UAC... which is in a mess of it's own...   

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
The main issue is the SAM146 missed promised fuel burn. The engine direly needs a PIP. But that won't happen until a few hundred aircraft are sold. Chicken and the egg...

Per my sources, they met their "minimum" promised burn... but am sure many would have preferred it to go better than that even if it missed the more optimistic promised burn. But nonetheless, it needs a PIP!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
Per my sources 4%. Low bypass ratios are more optimal on shorter missions. It was a compromise designed to improve the SSJ's resale values later in life.

There's a problem to this "more optimal on shorter missions" thing... The darned jet burns 1.8 - 2 tons an hour cruise at FL280 at 41Tons GW (MLW)... if you wanna fly it under RVSM continuously, it's a damn expensive game to play. But yes, the fuel burn on longer legs is err... yeah, no matter how much spin you put on it.. the numbers speak for itself...

Unfortunately, I don't have E190 / CRJ900 / 1000 to compare this aircraft with...  



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
The engine direly needs a PIP. But that won't happen until a few hundred aircraft are sold. Chicken and the egg...

Indeed, which is why I think that Sukhoi's main priority should be to get as many aircraft delivered out there as possible. A larger in-service aircraft base will help them identify & troubleshoot problems faster, help develop their support business, promote the aircraft and help sales, help the business case for PIP's & upgrades... basically everything!

Sukhoi has managed to build an overall good aircraft IMO, putting away with the old image of unrealiable Russian airplanes. But it seems they haven't yet tackled the other "typical Russian" issue - production ramp-up! Let's hope that they eventually manage that..


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Wich Airlines will be the next to receive their first SSJ? Air Italy? Orient Thai? An other one?

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 51, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6882 times:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 48):
Source was UAC... which is in a mess of it's own...

What is UAC?

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 48):
Per my sources, they met their "minimum" promised burn... but am sure many would have preferred it to go better than that even if it missed the more optimistic promised burn. But nonetheless, it needs a PIP!
Quoting mandala499 (Reply 48):
But yes, the fuel burn on longer legs is err... yeah, no matter how much spin you put on it.. the numbers speak for itself...

Yep. The engine and airframe are optimized differently: airframe for high altitude cruise, engines for climb... what mission was Sukhoi aiming for?!?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 49):
Indeed, which is why I think that Sukhoi's main priority should be to get as many aircraft delivered out there as possible.

That we agree. Hey, I work for a company making a profit off every SSJ sold, so for job security, I'm all for selling them.   But they have to sell to sell... Its tough cracking into the market.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 46):
Time for SkyWest to start talking with Superjet?

The SSJ is 7,000lbm heavier than the E-175 and since scope clauses at the US airlines limit the seat count to 76, the plane will have trouble competing when designed for 86...

Lightsaber



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User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 52, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 51):
What is UAC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_Corporation
They're an interesting bunch...   

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 51):
Yep. The engine and airframe are optimized differently: airframe for high altitude cruise, engines for climb... what mission was Sukhoi aiming for?!?

This is an interesting question indeed. It makes a nice replacement for the F100, but its scope is limited by the engine vs airframe dilemma. The flight planning numbers does point at 200-400nm sectors as it's optimum profile... and packs a lot of payload (not seats) for the fuel burn numbers. It's probably kinda like the 717... although whenever I see the documents it looks like an A317!    (and no, that's not a typo!)

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 51):
But they have to sell to sell... Its tough cracking into the market.

Indeed. I'm studying its performance numbers & economics for use in my geographical area, and it's good and bad at the same time. It's a tough mystery to crack on where to use this airplane where it won't get trodden on by mainline narrowbodies.

I wonder if Sukhoi would feel offended if I ask for some SU95Freighters   



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User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6167 times:
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Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 50):

Gazpromavia will soon receive the first SSj-100LR.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
The SSJ will live and die off the SAM146 and growth of that engine.

Not necessarily. With the SSJ 130 more or less on the way, an alternative engine has to be found. The PD-10, derived from the PD-14 to be used on the MS-21, is a possibility:

http://pmz.ru/eng/advanced-developments/pd-14_/

Other sources claim a PW1500G derivative is the most likely option.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 55, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5156 times:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 52):
They're an interesting bunch...

Yes it is. Now to make aircraft that sell...

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 52):
although whenever I see the documents it looks like an A317!    (and no, that's not a typo!)

It wouldn't be. I remember the A316/A317 concept.  
Quoting A342 (Reply 54):
With the SSJ 130 more or less on the way, an alternative engine has to be found. The PD-10, derived from the PD-14 to be used on the MS-21, is a possibility:

http://pmz.ru/eng/advanced-developments/pd-14_/

Other sources claim a PW1500G derivative is the most likely option.

Its possible it will be just a growth of the SAM146. If any PW1000G it would be the 1500/1900G.
I hope any SSJ 130 fixes the mixed optimization (which means non-optimized) missions of the wing/engine of the SSJ.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 56, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 55):
I hope any SSJ 130 fixes the mixed optimization (which means non-optimized) missions of the wing/engine of the SSJ.

I think slapping a GTF on the SSJ130 will make it extremely attractive from the economics point of view...
And the SSJ100 will need a bigger fan on the Sam146s! Seriously, I cringe looking at the fuel burn numbers beyond 800nm!



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13023 posts, RR: 100
Reply 57, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4467 times:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 56):
I cringe looking at the fuel burn numbers beyond 800nm!

Do you have numbers for comparisons? 800nm is marginal for design range.

While I'd like to see another GTF platform, I am just not as enthusiastic about a re-engine of the SSJ. It wouldn't be trivial and much of the airframe's issues have been dispatch reliability.

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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3747 posts, RR: 11
Reply 58, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 2):
The downside is that the approach speed at MLW is about 147 knots

That must make for interesting groundspeeds during landing at MEX... Especially for such a small aircraft.
This kind of landing speed is jumbo jet territory.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 59, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):
The link does not work me.

Link's working fine. Check it out again!

g77



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 60, posted (9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

Looks like SSJ at interjet is running 200-500 Nm legs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmEt8JO6g23FdGZXZlprb3ZpNUt6TFRHOUtVY3Bzcnc&output=html

MEX%0D%0AMEX-ZCL%0D%0AMEX-CPE%0D%0AMEX-TRC%0D%0AMEX-MZT%0D%0AMEX-MTT&DU=nm&DM=&SG=&SU=mph" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/dist?P=AGU-MEX%...%0D%0AMEX-MTT&DU=nm&DM=&SG=&SU=mph

Indeed 200Nm from MEX allows you to go to each cost


User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):

The link does not work me.
Quoting ghost77 (Reply 59):
Link's working fine. Check it out again!g77

Doesn't work here, it says:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/2.2.13 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.13 OpenSSL/1.0.0-fips PHP/5.3.21 Server at flyapm.com Port 80


Possibly an IP restriction. They assume Germans won't be able to read it anyway  


User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6849 posts, RR: 75
Reply 62, posted (9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 60):
Indeed 200Nm from MEX allows you to go to each cost

Link doesn't work... perhaps use a link shortener to prevent the HTML text converter of this site from going crazy?  



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 32):
Third SSJ (XA-JLV) has arrived:

If I'm not mistaken, that would make 8 deliveries in 2013 - the same as for all of 2012. So assuming a few more before year end, there is a (very slight) ramp-up happening.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 52):
What is UAC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_Corporation
They're an interesting bunch...

I see it as an attempt to create a Russian EADS. The idea itself makes sense, but they'll need time. But just remember the beginnings of the Airbus consortium, or later of EADS. It was not really until the A380 wiring fiasco hit them that they finally started working together as a true single company rather than a loose consortium under a common name.

Quoting lollomz (Reply 53):
Gazpromavia will soon receive the first SSj-100LR.

Wouldn't that be their second? They received their 1st in august AFAIK.

In related news, MUC airport facebook site announced that Moskovia will be serving the airport with the SSJ from december. So it seems that they will be receiving their aircraft (said to be ex-Armavia) soon.


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