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A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 8  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12689 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 57047 times:

Previous thread link A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 7 (by 777ER Oct 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

249 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 56763 times:

Currently flying together:

> A400M testbed
> A340 testbed
> A350 testbed

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 56272 times:

AIB89WB landed at 13:47.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 56126 times:

GIGI is certainly screaming along now.... 60-65 knots faster than the single aisle traffic near her on a similar altitude and heading...

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 55746 times:

According to my spreadsheet the Raccoon's have flown 470 hours plain flight time and have past 500 hours of block time.

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 55652 times:

It is certainly putting in the hours today. Take off at 07:30 ish and it is now 17:30 ish and GiGi is still trundling up and down the bay of Biscay.

It will be the longest test flight so far.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 55569 times:

I have been running FR24 playback.

I see AIB9GG the last time in Toulouse at 07:43 UTC still not on the runway and than she appears near Marmande at 08:09 UTC. So I will keep in my spreadsheet 07:50 UTC as take off time.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55382 times:

AIB9GG landed at 18:35, adding almost 11 hours to the book.

[Edited 2013-10-30 11:58:41]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55374 times:

So the combined stats for MSN1 and 3 are:

> Flying hours: 469
> Block hours: 502
> Number of flights: 98

[Edited 2013-10-30 11:58:16]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55277 times:

Sorry to dampen the enthusiasm GiGi landed at 18:35 UTC.
07:50 to 18:35 UTC is about 10 hours 45 minutes.
Longest flight of a Raccoon up to now.

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55146 times:

Thanks guys for all the work with the time keeping, we are now at 20% of the flight test program being done and there is one year to EIS, seems doable.

Evrard said on a briefing during the spring that "we now enter flight testing, that is something we know how to do" or similar. It was in the context of the challenges they saw with the supply chain producing the different sections in the new technology. What one can appreciate with Evrard and Bregier is that there is very little bull talk, when they say they are cautious that is accepted and now when they show more confidence in a phase one can start to thrust them, refreshing    .

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User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 54861 times:

To complete AIB89WB :

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 54638 times:

Quoting bycac (Reply 11):

To complete AIB89WB :

MSN001 still carries all the tufting and the Vmu protection. At the same time a few cameras seems to have been taken off. IMO this is to have these means for upcoming tests, we know that tests with on-glued plastic ice formations shall be made. Landing tests with ice on wings is very important to do, ice can form very quickly unknowingly during landing and one want to know how the bird reacts. Does she warn and stall slowly, violently complaining about the mistreatment while gracefully descending a bit faster then usual or will she say virtually nothing, then stall asymmetrically and go down over one of the wings like a piano?   

It can seem a bit un-probable but stalling with a disturbed leading edge can be fishy, it is very hard to predict what happens. If the stall instead happens on the HTP it is even worse, stall of the HTP at landing means you have a very strong forward moment and the frame tips forward violently and is very hard to save. The same goes for start but the frame is a bit less loaded in the start config and it should be a bit less violent what happens.

So there is every reason to want to know what happens with the flow in the BIG windtunnel and how close to the edge you are sailing, that is why all these means are kept for icing trials. The number of frames which has gone down due to icing are to many   .

[Edited 2013-10-30 13:15:58]

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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5428 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 53501 times:
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 9):
Longest flight of a Raccoon up to now.

And that with the newest bird on the flight test program. They are cumulating the hours pretty quickly if they keep that up.  

User currently onlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 52067 times:

AIB90WB takeoff at 8:12 UTC.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 51988 times:

The Raccoons are on the prowl.
AIB90WB take off at 08:11 UTC.
AIB10GG take off at 08:25. UTC.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 51965 times:

This also marks the 100th test flight of the A350 program.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 51583 times:

And here are the takeoff pictures:

AIB10GG 31/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

AIB90WB 31/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 51520 times:

The picture of MSN0003 is just stunning. Hadn't notice it doesn't have the A350 name at the front of the body. Must be going to have customer logos there.

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 51283 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 18):
The picture of MSN0003 is just stunning.

They are both stunning  , one can clearly see the flow disturbance of the nacelle and pylon and the vortex that the nacelle strake creates (the high frequency patchy pattern in the wake damp) if one goes to the higher res Flickr originals.

One can also see that the inner spoiler gaps is clearly lager then the no 2 spoiler gap. All tweaked by MSN001 during the Augusts-September high lift tests. All is apparently not frozen for the start configs (ref the recent briefing), I can imagine that the Vmu data can still be complemented (protection mat still there) and things can still find their way from these trials to tweaks angles on the slats/flaps/spoilers for start. It is not excluded that the icing trials can also bring tweaks.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 51274 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 19):
They are both stunning

Here, another one:

msn3-1 31/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 51164 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
Here, another one:

An absolutely great shot and worthy of a place in Airbus gallery! And of course MSN001 on top  . Great situational awareness of the photographer I must say    !

Edit: once again one can see the high pitch vortice of the nacelle strake, fantastic !  Wow!

[Edited 2013-10-31 03:55:00]

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 51067 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 15):
AIB10GG take off at 08:25. UTC.

And back on the ground at 11:10 already.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 51062 times:

GIGI back home at 11:10 and approached quite fast at 150kts

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15206 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 50729 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 15):
AIB90WB take off at 08:11 UTC.

Landed at 12:48.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
25 Post contains images starbucks : AIB91WB at the holding point
26 bobmuc : Second run for the WB today: AIB91WB takeoff at 15:23 UTC
27 Post contains links KarelXWB : AIB91WB airborne at 15:24. http://fr24.com/AIB91WB
28 ap305 : Landed 18:49 with another very fast approach
29 starbucks : Just had a look at my spreadsheet.. Amazing to see that MSN1 is able to fly every monthly "target" on its own... Even the 160hrs/month for two aircraf
30 Post contains links and images rebr : Beating KarelXWB to it. Todays pictures of MSN1 and MSN3.... Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Fl
31 mjoelnir : The Raccoons are doing a lot of flying now. Wi Bi did 141 hours of airtime in October. If Wi Bi is supposed to do half of the program, 1.250 hour, and
32 Post contains images KarelXWB : Yes the reliability is almost too good to be true. Fingers crossed for MSN2
33 Post contains images ferpe : Nice pictures with an attitude in them UP, UP AND AWAY (or is it just me )
34 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Say hello http://www.flickr.com/photos/f-alex_alexis_charroud/10313683313/
35 Aircellist : Impressive indeed! Not a small feat!
36 ferpe : Looking at these nice pictures again they are also a good yardstick for Flaps 3 vs Flaps 2. The top one, MSN001, starts with Flaps 3 ( flap tip almos
37 wisborg : AIB11GG airborne at 07:40 UTC
38 KarelXWB : AIB11GG just landed at 12:20.
39 Post contains images starbucks : And AIB12GG is flying again Took off 8:48UTC
40 rcair1 : Have any of the 350's come across to the US yet or are they planning it? If so - where and when? Anybody know?
41 mjoelnir : The Raccoons have been in France airspace only up to now. the USA, I suspect, are way down the list when they start traveling abroad.
42 mjoelnir : Touch down AIB12GG at 14:36 UTC.
43 abba : Are the racoons having a resting day today? I can't find them on fr24! Or is it just me?
44 Post contains links ferpe : I think they have a rest, there is lousy weather all over France today, look at the TAF and METAR, rain showers and up to 40kt winds: http://www.allm
45 aviatorcraig : Has the either A350 taken a lightning strike yet? I know in the early test flying they were anxious it did not happen, is that still the case? Althoug
46 Post contains links KarelXWB : Not in flight, but MSN3 did some lightning strikes during assembly. http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...with-lightning-strike-evaluations/
47 KarelXWB : Airbus confirmed the 500 test hours for the A350 program.
48 MWHCVT : So that would be 20% of the hours required for certification completed then if I'm not mistaken...what are the big tests to be looking out for, I'm g
49 Post contains links and images ferpe : There's a good summary of the test program from 21 Oct that I have missed somehow, saw it as a link with the MSN005 article: http://www.flightglobal.c
50 trent900 : I read this article in Flight last week. There is some interesting facts. I would assume they need to reduce power so they can ease the back-end onto
51 Post contains images ap305 : Evrard's words on fuel burn are quite interesting. I guess while they were very busy with all the other tests, they might have unintentionally looked
52 Aircellist : Also from the article: "MSN1 will perform some 800 hours…" which means it would already be done about half of its expected tally! In less than a thi
53 KarelXWB : I believe testing is a bit ahead of schedule. If I'm not mistaken, the plan was to have around 440 hours at the end of October but they are at 500 ho
54 abba : Add to this that MSN001 has been rather aerodynamically dirty with all the test equipment glued on to the body here and there and everywhere. How it
55 starbucks : Correct and interesting indeed... I guess it also means that we could see less flights now... MSN1 has not been flying for about a week now (31st Oct
56 ap305 : GG has shown up on radar tls...
57 bobmuc : AIB13GG takeoff at 13:19 UTC. Correction: flight 13 instead of 31 for GG ... thank you Karel. The flight testing is going very well and is a little bi
58 Post contains images KarelXWB : It's 13 instead of 31
59 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : Because Vmu needs to be established at the T/W for one engine inoperative but it is OK to use all engines operative at the appropriate thrust level t
60 Unflug : Indeed, fascinating reading - thanks! BTW I like sentences like these: Since the regulations cannot dictate what type of engine failures may actually
61 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Lots of fog today. It also looks like the trailing cone has been removed. AIB13GG 5/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr[Edited 2013-11-05 10:06:28]
62 ap305 : nice flight conditions to check the auto land?
63 KarelXWB : BTW did anyone saw AIB13GG landing? It disappeared from FR24.
64 mjoelnir : AIB13GG touch down at 18:32 UTC
65 Post contains images starbucks : Radar-toulouse: 18:32 UTC
66 Post contains images KarelXWB : Thank you very much guys
67 Post contains links flood : A couple of days ago, David KM tweeted: "Airbus says there's "absolutely no commitment" to take #A350 to Dubai air show. Which doesn't sound like it's
68 Post contains images KarelXWB : Airbus also wasn't committed to fly the A350 to the Paris air show A visit to Dubai will depend on any new orders I assume MSN3 will fly the the Middl
69 Post contains images ferpe : I would not be surprised if GiGi needed a bit hotter climate for her performance testing, it is a 3900nm flight so would be a nice 8 hours leg there
70 Post contains images EPA001 : Maybe. But I am expecting new orders for the -1000. Maybe also some conversions from previously ordered A350-900's. But since the A350-1000 is not fl
71 ferpe : That is why Leahy and team want GiGi there and some -1100 rumors so that the worlds airlines does not get TOO exited by all the good news re the 777X
72 Aircellist : Guys, there is an "unknown" A359 on the TLS apron on FR24… Personality trouble for one of the new kids? Well, by the time I've written this, it has
73 KarelXWB : The Dubai air show will be mainly concentrated around the launch of the 777X indeed, but it would be weird if Airbus doesn't announce any nice deals
74 starbucks : In the mean time AIB14GG is holding at the runway... Take off imminent I guess
75 KarelXWB : Airborne at 9:44 UTC.
76 KarelXWB : Where precisely did you saw it, could you point it out on Google Maps?
77 starbucks : In our little logbook F-WZGG popped up as "No Callsign" right around the time Aircellist posted his message (06:15UTC). FR24 shows that as unknown
78 Aircellist : That's the time. It was on the apron on the south, from where most test flights seem to origin (close to Saint-Martin-du-Touch), I guess, but the map
79 bobmuc : AIB14GG has landed at 16:29 UTC
80 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here is the takeoff picture of AIB14GG, it confirms the absence of the trailing cone. AIB14GG 6/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
81 bobmuc : I think Airbus will handle it like Le Bourget. They are planning for it but no public commitment until GG is on it's way to Dubai. Especially if ever
82 bobmuc : Now takeoff at 10:22 UTC for AIB15GG
83 KarelXWB : MSN1 last flight was 7 days ago, I assume she's being upgraded for the next trials.
84 Post contains images starbucks : Good thinking indeed, If I were Airbus I wouldn't commit to things that might not be possible.. Even with the reliability of the A350. MSN1 (WB) hasn
85 abba : It seems that the risk of problems popping up that might prevent both Gigi AND WB going to Dubai is minimal. However, if such a problem should appear
86 Post contains images ferpe : Re what MSN001 is doing, I think she is having artificial ice fitted to her leading edges, let's see when she comes out again to play
87 mjoelnir : AIB15GG touch down a 16:39 UTC.
88 Post contains images AustrianZRH : This just made me think of a picture: Clarke and the Boeing sales guy standing on the tarmac in front of a 777 taking pictures and vids when the A350
89 ap305 : GIGI already climbing through fl100 so takeoff around 8:26 i guess.
90 Post contains links airboe : As many of you guys have guessed, MSN1 is being prepared for artificial ice test. More here: http://www.bloga350.blogspot.dk
91 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Alright, it means the program is now in the development phase.
92 Post contains images EPA001 : Which means another milestone reached in the flight test campaign.
93 KarelXWB : AIB16GG landed at 14:43 UTC.
94 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Doing a little circuit.
95 mjoelnir : Gi Gi lands at 14:43 and then the raccoon starts playing. First circuit starts at 14:55, second at 15:13, third at 15:30 and she finally lands at 15:4
96 PW100 : Airshow practice . . . ?
97 Finn350 : How do you conclude that? It is not immediately obvious from the attached timetable.
98 starbucks : AIB18GG snuck out again, take off at 11:14UTC Second time they use a call sign that's not in sequence, We're missing AIB17GG
99 mjoelnir : AIB18GG landed 11:40. Take off 11:56. Landed at 12:14. [Edited 2013-11-09 03:57:35][Edited 2013-11-09 04:14:33]
100 starbucks : Back again.. AIB18GG took off for the second time at 11:56UTC Still in doubt if I should treat this as one or two flights in my logbook... Thoughts?
101 ap305 : Looking even more like it today.....
102 mjoelnir : One flight, same flight number, the crew has hardly time to leave the plane. next take off at 12:24 UTC. Landed at 12:46.[Edited 2013-11-09 04:25:24]
103 mjoelnir : Familiarizing flights? Getting more pilots used to the type? Next round, take off 12.:54 UTC.[Edited 2013-11-09 04:56:15]
104 ap305 : Looks more like Dubai preparation.. I was skeptical at first but this seems to be too much of a coincidence.
105 ap305 : A lot of maneuvering being done...
106 mjoelnir : Could be both. GiGi touch down at 13:17 UTC Going again, take off at 13:36. UTC Down on the ground at 13:53 UTC Up again 14:01 UTC. Edited 2013-11-09
107 Speedbird128 : As per the colour coding, it would *appear* with the icing trials of MSN001 it has progressed from Initial Development to Development.
108 Post contains images KarelXWB : Unless I'm reading that chart the wrong way.
109 mjoelnir : Radar Toulouse seems to have drooped out but FR24 shows the next circuit, it is number 7. Radar Toulouse good again circuit 8 14:56 UTC. GiGi seem to
110 KarelXWB : Per Airbus statement, flutter testing is imminent.
111 ap305 : This makes me somewhat doubtful about any Dubai appearance... If msn1 is going to be focused on flutter testing, I suspect msn3 could be doing the lo
112 KarelXWB : I assume this low speed/altitude testing will come to an end soon, MSN3 is the one scheduled for the hot weather trials which should start very soon.
113 mjoelnir : So GiGi seems to be done with flying today. 8 Circuits, first take off at 11:14, last landing at 15:12 UTC. The nicer looking, later born sibling havi
114 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Time for today's pictures! AIB18GG 9/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn3 9/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn3 9/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, o
115 Finn350 : Aren't they about to enter artificial icing trials, not natural icing trials (the latter being part of the development phase in the timetable)? First
116 Speedbird128 : It would be my understanding that in order to start deforming the airframes/wings with (artificial)ice, one has to have a reference configuration oth
117 ferpe : You would have to frozen everything, just have all your configurations very well documented and understood. If you have frozen your configs you have
118 OldAeroGuy : Stall warning angle is often adjusted for wing icing on modern airplanes. When the ice protection system is turned on, stall warning angle of attack
119 ferpe : That might be the case but as a test pilot I would not care to much about the stall warning set by such data, the important thing is to feel when the
120 KarelXWB : While I don't have any evidence, I'm convinced that the aero configuration will have to be frozen before starting the artificial icing trials.
121 mjoelnir : Are there no flights today?
122 bigsmile : It is national holiday today in France, November 11th is quite a big day. So no flying.
123 Post contains links KarelXWB : We memorialize the end of the first World War today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_with_Germany_(Compi%C3%A8gne)[Edited 2013-11-11 04:55:11]
124 Post contains images Unflug : They could have done some flight testing in Germany, hardly anyone knows that date over here Without getting too much into politics I think such a da
125 abba : I thought that nothing was so sacred so as to prevent the racoons from flying!?
126 SelseyBill : With flying suspended for a day, could I interrupt your excellent thread with what is probably a stupid question ? How do Airbus; (or any airframe ma
127 Post contains links bobmuc : I think it's more of an easy task for an airframe manufacturer: Just put three moveable scales (at least for an A350) under the gears and sum it up.
128 Post contains images teme82 : So was the raccoon flying today or did the pilots have extra day of because they got huge hang over?!?!
129 AustrianZRH : Couldn't you directly calculate it from the gear strut compression?
130 Post contains links rwessel : Theoretically yes. In practice friction in the strut, gas pressure, temperature, and a number of other variables make it difficult to get any real ac
131 ap305 : XWB is awake today morning...
132 ap305 : AIB18GG airborne at 7:45
133 starbucks : AIB18GG (once again) took off at 7:44 UTC FWXWB is also visible on Radar Toulouse
134 Post contains images ap305 : XWB starting to taxi. If this is indeed the start of flutter testing, we will see some interesting speeds very shortly
135 Unflug : .. with takeoff at 9:10 UTC
136 StTim : Not flutter testing. From the paths and speeds it is more likely to be artificial icing. Will be interested to see todays take off pictures to see if
137 KarelXWB : I assume they'll test the latest changes to the aircraft first.
138 KarelXWB : AIB18GG just landed at 12:59 UTC.
139 Post contains images starbucks : MSN3 is just 2 minutes short of flying 20% of it's 600 hour share...
140 KarelXWB : And AIB92WB is also back on the ground, 13:38 UTC.
141 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : AIB92WB 13/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr And MSN3 is flying with the trailing cone again: AIB18GG 13/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
142 Post contains images AustrianZRH : Thanks, didn't think it was that problematic (I guess that's a physicist's problem - the world is not ideal ).
143 ap305 : AIB19GG airborne 16:21
144 ap305 : This is the latest that they have left tls- Is there a curfew that they have to return before or are test flights not under any restrictions in terms
145 Post contains images starbucks : @ karel, confirming that MSN1 is doing artificial icing trials...
146 mjoelnir : AIB19GG landed at 19:08 UTC.
147 wisborg : AIB93WW sneaked out and is now airborne.
148 KarelXWB : F-WZGG is coming online, time to stretch the legs. Any idea about the takeoff time?
149 wisborg : The take off is not on FR24 (not sure if playbacks are possible on Toulouse Radar), but she pops up south of Toulouse around 9:15 UTC and it looks li
150 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : AIB93WB takeoff picture: AIB93WB 14/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
151 Post contains images starbucks : For now I'm keeping offblocks and take off for 93WB at 8:45/8:55 First sighting of her was a "No Callsign" at approx 10000ft at 9:06 UTC, This way she
152 Post contains images ferpe : Poor old MSN001, all molested again, this time with artificial ice on slat leading edge (seems to be a break half way) and on VTP, seems also to be o
153 KarelXWB : After holding some time on the apron, AIB20GG took off at 11:12 UTC.
154 Post contains images KarelXWB : MSN1 is now heading to the Bay of Biscay
155 ap305 : Could be flutter tests
156 StTim : I somehow doubt they will do flutter tests whilst MSN0001 has artificial ice stuck onto it.
157 KarelXWB : The fun has started, vertical speeds: -3712 fpm +2688 fpm -6528 fpm +1664 fpm -2560 fpm Whatever the current test is, they are pushing the raccoon by
158 starbucks : My guess would be stalls with (artificial) icing... I somehow think that flutter tests have already been done and that the pictures were released aft
159 KarelXWB : Vertical speed -7168 fpm now..
160 Aircellist : How close is that to the speed at which an aircraft that had lost pressurization would come down to breathable atmosphere? edit: by the way, clicking
161 KarelXWB : After doing some go-arounds, AIB93WB is already back at 14:03 UTC.
162 ap305 : Based on what was said on the EADS q3 conference call, the next big a350 update is likely to be on the investor day (I think the global investor forum
163 KarelXWB : Should be in the beginning of next month. And final assembly of MSN6 I assume.[Edited 2013-11-14 06:34:27]
164 ap305 : I would think so too.. Interestingly it now appears, based on the EADS guidance and the information given in the analyst call, that there is higher s
165 KarelXWB : Now AIB20GG is back at 14:54 UTC.
166 jeppelainen : AIB21GG airborn at 10:35UTC
167 KarelXWB : And back at 13:33 UTC. Meanwhile AIB94WB is holding at the foot of the runway.
168 KarelXWB : And AIB94WB is airborne at 13:36.
169 KarelXWB : AIB94WB just landed at 16:43 UTC.
170 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture are inbound too: msn1 15/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr AIB94WB 15/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn3 15/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350,
171 Post contains links Pihero : I would dearly bwiush we could see pics of the left side of WB as the wedges seem to be on that side. On this picture, there is apparently an addition
172 Post contains images ferpe : There is artificial ice on all leading edges on MSN001 visible on the first picture, you have to go to the flicker archive, right click and choose hi
173 ap305 : Both aircraft have flow for only three days this week and no sign of any activity today. Either it's been one of those rare off weeks for the a350 tes
174 StTim : I understand it for MSN0001 as it has been flying with the artificial ice. I am sure there is a lot of data to crunch for that - and maybe a software
175 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day For the airshow Airbus would surely not show their newest baby in eurowhite. So they are likely putting on some stickers or even do some paintw
176 ap305 : And we have the first Sunday flight - AIB95WB is airborne
177 Post contains images bobmuc : But there has to be something wrong... the Raccoon is still circling over France instead of going to the fare east. I thought Dubai is calling... But
178 mwhcvt : If one goes I I fully believe one will go, it's going to be GiGi as she dosn't have nearly as much external testing equipment on, so it's my guess sh
179 KarelXWB : MSN1 is still fitted with artificial ice, no way it will go to Dubai.
180 mjoelnir : Take off 09:46 UTC.
181 Post contains links ap305 : Airbus has given an update on the progress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEbh...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ
182 Post contains images KarelXWB : Including a sneak preview of the VMU tests
183 KarelXWB : Now back at 13:37 UTC.
184 mjoelnir : AIB95WB touch down at 13:37 UTC.
185 bigsmile : She is still flying, no landing yet
186 StTim : Airshow practice? or artificial ice low speed landing tests?
187 Post contains images KarelXWB : It's now on the ground for real, at 14:33
188 starbucks : You want to post too fast... :P Turned right again to the beginning of RWY14R
189 KarelXWB : Ok, landed again at 14:54 and she's on the move towards the test center.
190 Post contains links KarelXWB : Al Baker, an early critic of the program, said today he was impressed with the progress that Airbus has made in the last two years on the A350, which
191 mjoelnir : Are the Raccoon's in hibernation today?
192 ap305 : My guess would be msn3 is in preparation for the hot weather campaign...although I am not sure where they will find hot weather this time of the year
193 bobmuc : Strange... AIB93WB is in the air but we already had flight 95 last sunday. Edit: Take-off time at 8:46 UTC[Edited 2013-11-19 01:22:31]
194 Post contains images KarelXWB : This becomes very annoying
195 StTim : I wonder if it means that they are retesting aspects of that flight and hence Airbus keeps the flight number in line with test schedule.
196 Post contains links KarelXWB : Apparently starbucks was right: flutter tests were completed last month. http://bloga350.blogspot.com/2013/11...gerous-flutter-test-performed.html
197 trent900 : Shame we can't see longer footage of the flutter tests. I'm sure there's a little clip in the Airbus update film. D.
198 ap305 : The blog says the report is based on an Airbus article but I cannot find it.. I guess it must be some internal report?
199 ap305 : Very curious that they do not mention the flutter tests in the update video... hope there was no problem encountered during the tests.
200 KarelXWB : Perhaps the video was made earlier, the last clip is the first flight of MSN3 on October 14th.
201 starbucks : Meanwhile the callsign was changed to AIB96WB and MSN1 landed at 11:41UTC
202 Post contains images Aircellist : Well, we do have readers in Toulouse
203 Coronado : I did not realize that there actually were 6 flights in total for the flutter testing, each one apparently averaging 5 hours according to the article,
204 Post contains links ap305 : I suspect that the latest edition of the a350 magazine is out for tab devices... http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...us-latest-a350-xwb-magazine-is
205 Post contains links KarelXWB : Oddly enough, it's not visible yet on http://www.a350xwb.com/x-tra/magazine/
206 Post contains images ap305 : Yes- I suspect pc users will have to wait for this. Those with a newer iphone can also get the magazine app now. It does not work with my android pho
207 zeke : Some good info in it, flutter tests were completed out to M0.91, Vmu test consisted of 12 runs over 3.5 hours, Vmu of 125 kts. Some video of the flut
208 ap305 : Thanks... So i guess more flutter testing will need to be done later? I remember reading about the a380 being tested out to m.96.
209 ap305 : Looking at some old articles, the a380 started flutter testing in August of 05 and completed only in November with VMD testing sometime in December-
210 KarelXWB : Don't they have to wait until the static testbed (MSN5000) reaches 150% load before going to the ultimate load in mid-air?
211 zeke : It says flutter testing is complete, consisted of 6 flights.
212 Post contains links ap305 : Perhaps the flutter testing process has been modified/improved thus reducing the scope of the work involved... The a380 flutter testing process is de
213 bigsmile : AIB97WB and AIB21GG are in the air GiGi should be interesting I believe
214 Post contains images KarelXWB : A trip to one of the Airbus factories?
215 ap305 : Let me guess- the balance of the flutter tests including the md dives? She is being tracked by an a320- I think a chase bird is normally needed for t
216 aviaponcho : Will she do the 6000 Nm round trip to Dubai ? (6-7h flight time one way) Obviously not today ... For a mid afternoon flyby take off shoud be 6h local
217 StTim : Heading the wrong way for Dubai. A factory visit or flutter test does seem possible.
218 mjoelnir : AIB97WB takeoff at 08:58, AIB21GG takeoff at 09:13 UTC.
219 Post contains images starbucks : AIB21GG has been used earlier...
220 ap305 : GIGI doing normal cruise stuff... No sign of any flutter work or any factory visits ...yet
221 mjoelnir : I think that no A 350 is going to Dubai, there is only small fish left to fry. WiBi and GiGi will stay home working hard no holidays.
222 KarelXWB : AIB97WB landed at 14:34.
223 mjoelnir : Well above 600 hours block time for both frames together. GiGi started out as AIB22GG this morning and switched to AIB21GG short before takeoff.
224 KarelXWB : Yep, GiGi is back at 15:57.
225 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And the pictures: AIB21GG 20/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn3 20/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr AIB97WB 20/11/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on F
226 Post contains links and images ap305 : Emirates encouraged by smooth A350 tests http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...raged-by-smooth-a350-tests-393291/ "Clark says the indications he has
227 Post contains links and images ferpe : Airbus is doing something special with GiGi, she is all taped up : This is what you do when you want to set a speed record, wonder what they are up to
228 ap305 : I guess she is probably going to do the md/vd part of the flutter tests.
229 Post contains images ferpe : I checked the playback, seems she has started and landed without flaps ( no wonder they are taped ), landing speed was pushing 170kts when they normal
230 ap305 : Since we are in the business of speculating..... I wonder what "excelling" could mean? Meeting spec, beating spec or absolutely thrashing spec?. If A
231 OldAeroGuy : Excressence drag testing or looking for the best possible cruise drag? Interesting because it means Slats Up/Flaps Up for takeoff and landing if the
232 Post contains images ferpe : Could you explain that a bit more? And yes they did start and land with a clean ship, might not have been at MTOW .
233 ap305 : But why would you want do that since it does not reflect real world operations? Are they looking to see if the seals can be improved?
234 Post contains images ferpe : I think excrescence drag is measured by an inverse method; 1. Fly bird in normal config; measure drag 2. Tape the gaps up, fly the bird; measure drag
235 zeke : Airbus has various slat/flap seals installed on other types, perhaps they are looking at the values required to put in the CDL.
236 Post contains links and images ferpe : Here a good view of the artificial ice on the leading edges:
237 OldAeroGuy : I think that seal effectiveness testing is a good possibility.
238 Post contains images EPA001 : Beautiful picture. Thanks for pointing out the details. . Yes, another vote of confidence in the progress of the A350 program. Two interesting remark
239 OldAeroGuy : If they were after CDL values, wouldn't they test with the seals removed? It's hard to see a taped High Lift System as a CDL configuration. Or do you
240 StTim : MSN0001 is airborne as AIB98WB - no idea of the take off time. Pootling around at medium altitude and slow speed. Continuing the artificial ice campai
241 bobmuc : Should be around 8:50 UTC.
242 bobmuc : And now AIB22GG is in the air. take-off around 9:48 UTC
243 mjoelnir : AIB98WB WiBi take off at 08:49 UTC. AIB22GG GiGi take off at 09:46 UTC. The usage of the call sign seems to be a bit strange this is flight # 23 for G
244 Post contains links KarelXWB : And it's now available for desktop users too: http://www.a350xwb.com/x-tra/magazine-04/ MSN3 first flight: http://videos.airbus.com/video/21969cd20a9
245 ap305 : For some reason the issue 3 is still the one loading....
246 TheRedBaron : Thanks for the eagle eyes, I haven't noticed the cleaned config landing!. Now the ball is in Boeing side of the playing field, I hope the guys at Eve
247 KarelXWB : > AIB98WB landed at 13:09 UTC. > AIB22GG landed at 13:16 UTC.
248 StTim : MSN0003 is down at 13:15 UTC. Must have had the tape removed as landing speed was around the 130kts mark
249 Post contains links SA7700 : As this thread has become quite long, it will be locked for further discussion. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping
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