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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 15 hours ago) and read 14723 times:

Grüezi !

The #33 is archived, Swiss Aviation Thread #33 (by ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH Sep 3 2013 in Civil Aviation) let's start a new one.

Helvetic will launch Zürich - Bordeaux two times a week starting 08MAY14

2L 074 ZRH 1315 - 1455 BOD 4
2L 074 ZRH 1815 - 1955 BOD 7

2L 075 BOD 1540 - 1720 ZRH 4
2L 075 BOD 2040 - 2220 ZRH 7

Helvetic


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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14272 times:

From May 2014 we will have three weekly flights with Aegean Airlines in Zurich (ZRH). Twice a week from Heraklion (HER) and one time from Rhodes (RHO). All flights were operated with A320s.

User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14200 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 1):
Travel Inside article in German only.

...from ATH as well.
RHO/HER are seasonal only


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13595 times:

Ryanair is back to Switzerland. Dublin - Basle will start on april 1st :

FR 7356 DUB 1910 - 2220 BSL -2-4-6-
FR 7357 BSL 2245 - 2355 DUB -2-4-6-

http://www.ryanair.com/



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Thats good news for Basel. Dublin was still missing on the route map.

It seems they will launch Basel-Stansted as well.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Darwin to become Etihad Regional ! More details to come :

https://twitter.com/AvWeekFlottau/status/402049098108641280



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13101 times:

Etihad to launch daily ZRH-AUH

EY073 AUH0205 – 0650ZRH 333 D
EY074 ZRH1205 – 2225AUH 333 D


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13078 times:

According to this article Darwin becomes Etihad Regional Etihad will buy 33,3% of Darwin Airline which will change its brand into Etihad Regional from June 1th next year when Etihad Airways will also launch daily flight from Abu Dhabi to Zurich.
The airliners will carry the Etihad Regional logo while operated by Darwin will be visible on the back of the fuselage. New routes to be launched are :

DUS - BER / CBG / LCY
BER - WRO / POZ
GVA - BEG / MRS / NTE / TLS / BOD / ZRH / VRN
ZRH - LEJ / LNZ / GRZ / VRN / FLR / TRN / LYS
FCO - TIA / ZAG

That is a huge development for this carrier.



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User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12886 times:

As I already said in the main EY discousion thread:
I don't see how those routes ex ZRH will work.

Especially Linz, Graz and Geneva.
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

I know I shouldn't be that skeptic and EY has got money to invest over a long period, but I think LX doesn't have to be scared of that evolution.

But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!
Can a Fokker 100 fly to LUG? Then Helvetic could jump in.



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

Somebody finally needs to cancel the open skies agreement with the UAE, what a joke..

User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12679 times:

Question, I was at ZRH last summer and it looked as if there was a tour group touring the airport, both inside the buildings and outside. Does ZRH offer tours of the airport?

Thanks!


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12645 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

It will surely be to serve as having de-facto 2x daily flights from GVA & ZRH.

Also, with the sheer number of destinations announced by F7/EY, it makes me think that not only will most destinations not be served daily, but it also seems as if 2/3 aircraft will migrate from ZRH to GVA and vice-versa during the day once one wave is done at one airport (say morning flights to/from ZRH, evening to/from GVA). It will be interesting to see if this is really the case when they publish their schedules.

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!

I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Will be interesting to see how all of this works out. I don't think LX and U2 will just standby and let EY march on their territory. That said, EY has a lot of money to waste and hopefully this experiment won't end badly.


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12533 times:

Quoting mcg (Reply 10):

Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Observation Decks B&E: Here
Apron tour by bus: Here
Inside the Airport guided group tours: Here

Hope it helps!


Patrick.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12516 times:

Interesting news about Etihad. At the moment, I don't exactly understand how it could work.

There's only one daily flight in GVA and ZRH to feed so Darwin needs o&d passengers. I'm not sure if there is enough demand to fill daily Saab flights from the destinations announced. And I don't think they are competitive against easyJet and Swiss.

And who wants to fly for example LEJ-ZRH-AUH-BKK if you can fly with just one stop?



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12354 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 12):
Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Danke!


User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

Schedules are apparently like this:
arr ZRH 0650LT
dep ZRH 1205LT
With schedule at GVA arr 1315LT and dep 2045LT

So I guess the schedule for the GVA flights will be like this:
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 0800LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1030LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1200LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1400LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1900LT
and one either back to GVA in the morning or evening

What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but EY does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of EY.

This means this expansion will danger more EY than LX ATM!

AND:
The whole deal has to be granted by the swiss Competition Commission. And they are known to be pretty strict.
AND:
The slots listed above are requests by EY, it's not sure they will get them especially the 0650LT ...

My main problem is, that it's a "swiss" airline, but I will bet the Crews won't be recruited in Switzerland.
And not sure of they will always fly according to swiss law... but these are things that will be clarified in the near future, I don't want to start rumors here.



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 11):
I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Ouch, Zurich Flughafen-Lugano by SBB, that's 3 hours. Definitely slower than taking the connecting flight unless the connection is badly timed.


User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11896 times:

Please replace the EY with U2 in post 15!!

"
What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but U2 does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of U2.

This means this expansion will danger more U2 than LX ATM!
"



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11574 times:

Ryanair has revealed schedules of the new STN - BSL route operated twice a day starting 31MAR14. FR will be the fourth carrier operating the LON - BSL sector, S14 will look like this :

BA 751 BSL 0700 - 0740 LHR D 32S
BA 753 BSL 1220 - 1305 LHR D 32S
BA 755 BSL 1805 - 1840 LHR D 32S
BA 749 BSL 2145 - 2225 LHR Dx67 32S

285 200 pax on LHR - BSL route in 2012 (3xBA + 3xBD)

DS 8430 BSL 0700 - 0730 LGW D 32S
DS 8434 BSL 1725 - 1755 LGW D 32S
DS 8438 BSL 1900 - 1930 LGW Dx6 32S

218 800 pax on LGW - BSL route in 2012

LX 484 BSL 0625 - 0700 LCY Dx7 AR1
LX 486 BSL 1825 - 1905 LCY Dx6 AR1

42 400 pax on LCY - BSL route in 2012

FR BSL xxxx - xxxx STN D? 73H (to be loaded soon)
FR BSL 1750 - 1820 STN D 73H



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 18):
STN - BSL route operated twice a day

It will be a single daily flight actually.

BTW Ryanair is considering a base at Basle : in french : Ryanair de retour à l aeroport de Bale. EasyJet currently operates 8 airliners from BSL and two more 32S will arrive next summer. That could be bloody.



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User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

LX180 diverted to VIE last night, does anybody have any info? I reckon it must have been a medical. They would probably have returned to ZRH had it been a technical and as they left again about 90 minutes later it couldn't have been a serious technical incident where they would head to the closest suitable airport.

Even if it was a medical it must have developed pretty quickly as they diverted over the austrian alps about halfway between VIE and lake constance (roughly 45mins into the flight).


User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 20):

That's exactly what I thought as well, however word is that it was a deactivated reverser:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/swi...wien-zwischenlanden-id2553154.html
Not sure why one deactivated reverser should pose a safety risk justifying an enroute diversion, couldn't they just fix it likewise in BKK?



Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
User currently offlinesr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Which plane just took off from Rwy 16? It was a large four engine machine, but not a 747. Was it a Lockheed Galaxy or a Russian aircraft. Does anybody know the registration ?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

@Sandro: don't get you such information internly? Are not all pilots informed about all incidents?

User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

Quoting sr176 (Reply 22):

It was an AN124 - UR-82007

Regards, Patrick.


25 Post contains images sandrozrh : Sure we do but thats gonna take a while. Thanks! So it was probably an unlocked rather than a deactivated reverser, but if thats he case I too am won
26 Post contains links PhilInBRN : Some news of recent days from the Swiss Aviation sphere: New flights from ZRH in S14 - Finnair to increase HEL-ZRH from 2 to 4 flights on weekdays (2x
27 Alsatian : This is a big increase. I did not read this news before, what can explain that ? Will AY expand so hugely other european markets next summer ?
28 Post contains images sandrozrh : I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell.. I love your
29 Post contains links PhilInBRN : They also announced to double frequencies to DUS (from 2 to 4) and several new holiday flights. News is currently only available in Finnish. Flights
30 runway23 : AY is 2x daily to both ZRH and GVA.[Edited 2013-11-29 00:15:08]
31 Post contains images DALCE : This indeed is one thing I have never understood, but probably the beancounters know why, besides the fact that we don't really have surplus aircraft
32 viasa : AY will reschedule its timetable between HEL and ZRH. In summer we have an late evening arrival in ZRH and an early morning flight from ZRH to HEL by
33 ka : Any information about LX cancelling MCT?? (No flights bookable after April 14 at the moment) Ka.
34 DALCE : No problem on the staff-travel portal after April 14th. Flights are listable and bookable.
35 ka : I meant April 2014. Did you check for May...? Ka.
36 DALCE : yes no problem whatsoever
37 LXA340 : Are there already some details known regarding the cabin configuration of the C Ceries; will they be equiped with NEK style seats and have drop down T
38 Post contains images AntonovA330 : From what I read somewhere (flightglobal I believe) LX want to implement maximum seating which is 125pax@30". These seats better be thin...
39 phofmannsair : Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...
40 Post contains links phofmannsair : A 3rd SWISS Avro RJ100 is now featuring the Star Alliance c/s, it's HB-IXR! Does anyone know if they plan to paint some 32S/333/343 with the *A livery
41 ZRH : Why do need PTVs on such short routes? It is absolutely unnecessary. There is only more weight and uneconomical.
42 runway23 : With 99% of the population who have tablets or laptops with them on flights, there really isn't an use anymore. Perhaps they will equip the aircraft
43 Post contains images phofmannsair : Unnecessary maybe, but having acess to movies/music/etc from every seat sound great. Just have a look at VX entertainment, it's simply great! Wifi wo
44 runway23 : You have Norwegian and soon Vueling.
45 phofmannsair : Nice, but compared to what you have in the USA....it's really nothing! What about LH? LX? U2? AF? OS? BA? KL? IB? TK? AB? TP?...
46 SR4ever : That would be a tad too much. Drop-down screens would be a good step forward, though, especially as LX makes good use of them on 319s-320s-321s.
47 sandrozrh : Comparing The US and the European business models is like comparing apples and oranges. First of all, the average shorthaul sector flown in the US is
48 runway23 : And yet your employer has gone down the road of introducing baggage fees... Yes, anyone who thinks the contrary would be mad. If LX wanted PTVs on th
49 sandrozrh : That's not true. They introduced a new fare structure out of GVA for people traveling with hand luggage only. You can still purchase a ticket at a st
50 runway23 : It's funny that you copy exactly the same garbage as what LX puts out. 99% of the population can understand that LX has introduced a bagagge charge f
51 sandrozrh : Alright, i wont waste any more precious time and energy arguing. I don't know where your grudge is coming from, but luckily we all enjoy the freedom
52 runway23 : I don't have any grudge against LX, I am a happy Senator and enjoy flying LX thoroughly, though very far from exclusively. However your views are hea
53 LXA340 : The GVA concept of LX is aimesd to directly compete with Easy Jet and if you choose the "GVA Light" fare you choose to purchase a fare with limited s
54 teahan : The difference is I can fly an LCC and pay a reasonably amount for baggage. I buy one of these fares and pay significantly more than any other Europe
55 Post contains images Norcal773 : I flew LX for the first time 3 weeks ago, ZRH-NBO...and loved it. As a Star Alliance Gold member through UA, their lounges at ZRH were great and the s
56 SR4ever : Do we have already more details about the product and the pricing policy contemplated by Darwin - Etihad Regional? Any official reactions from LX as w
57 Post contains images sandrozrh : Alright, our opinions may differ, fair enough. But claiming that im too ifluenced by "internat PR" is pathetic. There are so many things i dont like
58 SR4ever : We will see, but as far as GVA is concerned, Etihad Regional will fill a vacuum which LX should have never left outstanding for so long, sadly.
59 Viscount724 : However the 77Ws will have 10-abreast seating in Y class, much less desirable than the 8-abreast seating on the A330s/340s.
60 DALCE : Don't go there again. This topic has been discused over and over......and over..
61 FlySwiss : Just read in Traval Inside that AC brings the Dreamliner to ZRH from 1.Mai to 30 June 2014. From a good source I heard that Air China is coming to ZRH
62 Norcal773 : There's only a handful of airlines now staying with 9-abreast on the 77Ws e.g KQ & ET surprisingly, SQ and such. Everyone else seems to be going
63 Viscount724 : Many other 77Ws are 9-abreast apart from KQ/ET/SQ. Also BA/UA/DL/JL/NH/KE/CX/CA/AI/PK/CI/GA/BR/QR/TG/TK and possibly a few others. That's the majorit
64 LXA340 : They will probably take over the slots from Hainan who had a much better timed inbound flight to ZRH. BTW: How is LX performing on the PEK flights, a
65 sandrozrh : I dont know, ask the chinese.
66 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day The last week of November I flew Milan Beijing with the return from Shanghai. Going out Swiss was fully booked, so I was "forced" to take Lufth
67 LXA340 : Unfortunately I have a feeling it was pure coincidence, as you probably know the value of our Senator cards become less and less...After LH and OS it
68 Norcal773 : You're actually right, my comment was based on airlines who have had a 77W delivered this calendar year but I did a piss-poor job of explaining that
69 Alsatian : The Etihad Regional S14 schedules have been revealed. 14 new routes will be launched from Switzerland: ZRH - FLR 4x ZRH - GRZ 4x ZRH - GVA 14x ZRH - L
70 runway23 : F7 will still operate a substantially larger operation in GVA than in ZRH. What you have posted is about 50% of the entire operation they will run ne
71 lax888 : Why is a LX A343 operating the 07.35AM ZRH-GVA flight today and returning at 11:05AM from GVA? Is there very high demand or just a sub due to unavaila
72 Alsatian : Let's take the TLS schedules and its connection possibilities for example . TLS 1730 – 1845 GVA -2345-- - GVA 1105 VLC ---4-6- no connections possi
73 runway23 : The AUH-GVA-AUH schedule will change and become an afternoon arrival and evening departure on all days instead of 3x per week right now (with the oth
74 Alsatian : That is why I have said : And I still do not understand how Etihad hopes to be succesful with recently announced routes as I was referring in reply 6
75 knightsofmalta : Does anybody have any information about the Swiss A 320 tail strike in London on 3. December 2013? The aircraft was ferried back to Zurich last Thursd
76 Post contains links AntonovA330 : http://www.avherald.com/h?article=46cc8382&opt=0 Please let me rephrase: The media kept surprisingly quiet about this.
77 AntonovA330 : Todays EDW Mombasa flight seems to have been split: Two A320s (HB-IHX/Z) are operating it as EDW78A/B. Seems like a long flight for an 320, can it do
78 B738flyUIA : That is very long flight for a A320. According to GCMAP ZRH-MBA is 6463km and to technical specs of Airbus a A320 does 6100 (with sharklets). So ther
79 Post contains links LXM83 : Both flights make a tech stop in LXR according to www.teletext.ch.
80 aviationmaster : Flights will be making a fuel stop in Luxor.
81 Post contains images DALCE : Bugger, now I know why all the MBA & JRO Cargo was left behind @ ZRH
82 AntonovA330 : That's like four hours to LXR and another four or so to MBA.. That's gonna be a long flight for all aboard!
83 DALCE : For all trip reporters ex ZRH : LX apparently will operate the following flts with A333's iso A321's 02JAN14 LX2110 / LX2111 ZRH-AGP-ZRH 333 04JAN14 L
84 Post contains images sandrozrh : I'll be on reserve duty on those days, maybe they will send me on one of these flights
85 Post contains images DALCE : must be fun, having a light widebody on such a short flight. I do remember 36pax on an A300-600 from FRA to AMS with no cargo on board too We felt lik
86 DALCE : And add another one to that : 28DEC13 LX2110 / LX2111 ZRH-AGP-ZRH 333
87 LXLucien : Those flights could also be a result of Longhaul pilots having not enough landings on one type (a minimum is required for their certification) I don't
88 330lover : While this is indeed true, in this case I think it's because of high demand since they look fully booked (or almost) in at least one direction.
89 LXLucien : Yes you are right, they look pretty full ! Other destinations with A333 till New Year: ATH, HAJ, FRA and BRU. But I don't know the exact schedule of
90 330lover : Well, HAJ and BRU are probebly because of this then? From Galileo system: 21DEC 22DEC .....67 ZRH ATH 0920 1255 LX1830 333*C 25DEC 25DEC ..3.... ZRH
91 Alsatian : I do not know about ATH and FRA but HAJ will get a nice christmas present : 25DEC LX 828 ZRH 1735 - 1855 HAJ 29DEC LX 786 ZRH 0735 - 0900 BRU
92 SandroZRH : All flights except for the AGP rotations are training flights for pilot crosstraining from the A320 to the A330.[Edited 2013-12-20 11:00:49]
93 runway23 : What longhaul flights is LX reducing to allow for this, or is LX just using aircraft that would otherwise not fly or be used as backups ?
94 Post contains links Paolo92 : Turin's mayor announced today at a conference that TRN is finalizing the deal to open TRN-GVA. Link in Italian: http://www.ecoditorino.org/torino-e-..
95 ZRH : What airline? And who is doeing TRN-ZRH?
96 phofmannsair : Darwin Airlines / Etihad Regional will begin ZRH-TRN flights as of 01MAY14 3/w with SB20. Patrick.
97 SandroZRH : They are probably using aircraft that would otherwise sit idle at ZRH inbetween longhaul rotations.
98 Post contains links Alsatian : Swiss has updated its fleet webpage adding the CS100 : http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/fly_swis...rcraft/Pages/bombardier_cs100.aspx I cannot imagine Swis
99 LXA340 : It's up there for already some months; probably by mid 2014 SWISS will provide more details about the specifications about their planes. However for
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