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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14722 times:

Grüezi !

The #33 is archived, Swiss Aviation Thread #33 (by ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH Sep 3 2013 in Civil Aviation) let's start a new one.

Helvetic will launch Zürich - Bordeaux two times a week starting 08MAY14

2L 074 ZRH 1315 - 1455 BOD 4
2L 074 ZRH 1815 - 1955 BOD 7

2L 075 BOD 1540 - 1720 ZRH 4
2L 075 BOD 2040 - 2220 ZRH 7

Helvetic


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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

From May 2014 we will have three weekly flights with Aegean Airlines in Zurich (ZRH). Twice a week from Heraklion (HER) and one time from Rhodes (RHO). All flights were operated with A320s.

User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 1):
Travel Inside article in German only.

...from ATH as well.
RHO/HER are seasonal only


User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13594 times:

Ryanair is back to Switzerland. Dublin - Basle will start on april 1st :

FR 7356 DUB 1910 - 2220 BSL -2-4-6-
FR 7357 BSL 2245 - 2355 DUB -2-4-6-

http://www.ryanair.com/



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Thats good news for Basel. Dublin was still missing on the route map.

It seems they will launch Basel-Stansted as well.



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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13125 times:

Darwin to become Etihad Regional ! More details to come :

https://twitter.com/AvWeekFlottau/status/402049098108641280



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13100 times:

Etihad to launch daily ZRH-AUH

EY073 AUH0205 – 0650ZRH 333 D
EY074 ZRH1205 – 2225AUH 333 D


User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

According to this article Darwin becomes Etihad Regional Etihad will buy 33,3% of Darwin Airline which will change its brand into Etihad Regional from June 1th next year when Etihad Airways will also launch daily flight from Abu Dhabi to Zurich.
The airliners will carry the Etihad Regional logo while operated by Darwin will be visible on the back of the fuselage. New routes to be launched are :

DUS - BER / CBG / LCY
BER - WRO / POZ
GVA - BEG / MRS / NTE / TLS / BOD / ZRH / VRN
ZRH - LEJ / LNZ / GRZ / VRN / FLR / TRN / LYS
FCO - TIA / ZAG

That is a huge development for this carrier.



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User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12885 times:

As I already said in the main EY discousion thread:
I don't see how those routes ex ZRH will work.

Especially Linz, Graz and Geneva.
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

I know I shouldn't be that skeptic and EY has got money to invest over a long period, but I think LX doesn't have to be scared of that evolution.

But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!
Can a Fokker 100 fly to LUG? Then Helvetic could jump in.



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Somebody finally needs to cancel the open skies agreement with the UAE, what a joke..

User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12678 times:

Question, I was at ZRH last summer and it looked as if there was a tour group touring the airport, both inside the buildings and outside. Does ZRH offer tours of the airport?

Thanks!


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12644 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

It will surely be to serve as having de-facto 2x daily flights from GVA & ZRH.

Also, with the sheer number of destinations announced by F7/EY, it makes me think that not only will most destinations not be served daily, but it also seems as if 2/3 aircraft will migrate from ZRH to GVA and vice-versa during the day once one wave is done at one airport (say morning flights to/from ZRH, evening to/from GVA). It will be interesting to see if this is really the case when they publish their schedules.

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!

I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Will be interesting to see how all of this works out. I don't think LX and U2 will just standby and let EY march on their territory. That said, EY has a lot of money to waste and hopefully this experiment won't end badly.


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12532 times:

Quoting mcg (Reply 10):

Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Observation Decks B&E: Here
Apron tour by bus: Here
Inside the Airport guided group tours: Here

Hope it helps!


Patrick.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

Interesting news about Etihad. At the moment, I don't exactly understand how it could work.

There's only one daily flight in GVA and ZRH to feed so Darwin needs o&d passengers. I'm not sure if there is enough demand to fill daily Saab flights from the destinations announced. And I don't think they are competitive against easyJet and Swiss.

And who wants to fly for example LEJ-ZRH-AUH-BKK if you can fly with just one stop?



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12353 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 12):
Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Danke!


User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Schedules are apparently like this:
arr ZRH 0650LT
dep ZRH 1205LT
With schedule at GVA arr 1315LT and dep 2045LT

So I guess the schedule for the GVA flights will be like this:
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 0800LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1030LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1200LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1400LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1900LT
and one either back to GVA in the morning or evening

What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but EY does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of EY.

This means this expansion will danger more EY than LX ATM!

AND:
The whole deal has to be granted by the swiss Competition Commission. And they are known to be pretty strict.
AND:
The slots listed above are requests by EY, it's not sure they will get them especially the 0650LT ...

My main problem is, that it's a "swiss" airline, but I will bet the Crews won't be recruited in Switzerland.
And not sure of they will always fly according to swiss law... but these are things that will be clarified in the near future, I don't want to start rumors here.



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11963 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 11):
I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Ouch, Zurich Flughafen-Lugano by SBB, that's 3 hours. Definitely slower than taking the connecting flight unless the connection is badly timed.


User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Please replace the EY with U2 in post 15!!

"
What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but U2 does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of U2.

This means this expansion will danger more U2 than LX ATM!
"



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

Ryanair has revealed schedules of the new STN - BSL route operated twice a day starting 31MAR14. FR will be the fourth carrier operating the LON - BSL sector, S14 will look like this :

BA 751 BSL 0700 - 0740 LHR D 32S
BA 753 BSL 1220 - 1305 LHR D 32S
BA 755 BSL 1805 - 1840 LHR D 32S
BA 749 BSL 2145 - 2225 LHR Dx67 32S

285 200 pax on LHR - BSL route in 2012 (3xBA + 3xBD)

DS 8430 BSL 0700 - 0730 LGW D 32S
DS 8434 BSL 1725 - 1755 LGW D 32S
DS 8438 BSL 1900 - 1930 LGW Dx6 32S

218 800 pax on LGW - BSL route in 2012

LX 484 BSL 0625 - 0700 LCY Dx7 AR1
LX 486 BSL 1825 - 1905 LCY Dx6 AR1

42 400 pax on LCY - BSL route in 2012

FR BSL xxxx - xxxx STN D? 73H (to be loaded soon)
FR BSL 1750 - 1820 STN D 73H



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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 18):
STN - BSL route operated twice a day

It will be a single daily flight actually.

BTW Ryanair is considering a base at Basle : in french : Ryanair de retour à l aeroport de Bale. EasyJet currently operates 8 airliners from BSL and two more 32S will arrive next summer. That could be bloody.



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User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10788 times:

LX180 diverted to VIE last night, does anybody have any info? I reckon it must have been a medical. They would probably have returned to ZRH had it been a technical and as they left again about 90 minutes later it couldn't have been a serious technical incident where they would head to the closest suitable airport.

Even if it was a medical it must have developed pretty quickly as they diverted over the austrian alps about halfway between VIE and lake constance (roughly 45mins into the flight).


User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10734 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 20):

That's exactly what I thought as well, however word is that it was a deactivated reverser:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/swi...wien-zwischenlanden-id2553154.html
Not sure why one deactivated reverser should pose a safety risk justifying an enroute diversion, couldn't they just fix it likewise in BKK?



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User currently offlinesr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10646 times:

Which plane just took off from Rwy 16? It was a large four engine machine, but not a 747. Was it a Lockheed Galaxy or a Russian aircraft. Does anybody know the registration ?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

@Sandro: don't get you such information internly? Are not all pilots informed about all incidents?

User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting sr176 (Reply 22):

It was an AN124 - UR-82007

Regards, Patrick.


User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 25, posted (8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 23):

Sure we do but thats gonna take a while.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 21):

Thanks! So it was probably an unlocked rather than a deactivated reverser, but if thats he case I too am wondering why they diverted and if so why not back home. But hey, we weren't there on the flightdeck were we  


User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10577 times:

Some news of recent days from the Swiss Aviation sphere:

New flights from ZRH in S14

- Finnair to increase HEL-ZRH from 2 to 4 flights on weekdays (2x E190, 2xA32S)
- BA Cityflyer to add 5th frequency on LCY-ZRH on weekdays (E190)
- Aegean to add ATH at 4/7, HER at 2/7 and RHO at 1/7 (A320)
- Icelandair increases flights to KEF to 4/7
- Air France to replace E190 with A318 on all flights to CDG. Frequency meanwhile reduces from 42/7 to 35/7

New flights from GVA in S14

- RAM will fly GVA-RAK at 2/7 (B738)
- Aegean increases ATH to 4/7 (A320)
- EZY to add La Rochelle at 2/7
- Icelandair resumes KEF at 2/7


On another note, I just stumbled upon a very interesting route marketing presentation of GVA Airport:

GVA.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gva.ch/en/Portaldata/1/Re...chiers/institutionnels/why-GVA.pdf

Some takeaways:

- Slide 20 shows average yield from long haul destinations. GVA and ZRH rank in the top in terms of yield from IAD, YUL, JFK, DXB (not very surprising though)

- Slide 21 shows average airport charges (total including passenger, noise etc.) for international operation using A330 or B787 aircraft. Given how ZRH is by far the most expensive of these airports listed it is no surprise that airlines are still quite unhappy about the new charges that will be implemented starting 2014. I find it stunning how they can be so much more expensive than comparable airports such as VIE, CPH or BRU.

[Edited 2013-11-28 13:10:48]

User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 26):
Finnair to increase HEL-ZRH from 2 to 4 flights on weekdays (2x E190, 2xA32S)

This is a big increase. I did not read this news before, what can explain that ? Will AY expand so hugely other european markets next summer ?



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User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 28, posted (8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 27):

I love your signature   


User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10624 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 27):
This is a big increase. I did not read this news before, what can explain that ? Will AY expand so hugely other european markets next summer ?

They also announced to double frequencies to DUS (from 2 to 4) and several new holiday flights. News is currently only available in Finnish. Flights were bookable through June yesterday.

I see the link provided above does not seem to work. I give it another try:

http://www.gva.ch/en/Portaldata/1/Re...chiers/institutionnels/why-GVA.pdf


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 30, posted (8 months 23 hours ago) and read 10481 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 28):
I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..
AY is 2x daily to both ZRH and GVA.

[Edited 2013-11-29 00:15:08]

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (8 months 22 hours ago) and read 10443 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 28):
I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..

This indeed is one thing I have never understood, but probably the beancounters know why, besides the fact that we don't really have surplus aircraft / crews hanging around  



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 32, posted (8 months 22 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

AY will reschedule its timetable between HEL and ZRH. In summer we have an late evening arrival in ZRH and an early morning flight from ZRH to HEL by an Embraer 190 of Flybe Nordic opf Finnair.

User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 10370 times:

Any information about LX cancelling MCT?? (No flights bookable after April 14 at the moment)

Ka.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 10352 times:

No problem on the staff-travel portal after April 14th.
Flights are listable and bookable.



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User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 35, posted (8 months 19 hours ago) and read 10279 times:

Quoting ka (Reply 33):
(No flights bookable after April 14 at the moment)
Quoting DALCE (Reply 34):
No problem on the staff-travel portal after April 14th.

I meant April 2014.
Did you check for May...?

Ka.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 36, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

yes no problem whatsoever


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9781 times:

Are there already some details known regarding the cabin configuration of the C Ceries; will they be equiped with NEK style seats and have drop down TV's like on the Airbus fleet?

User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):

From what I read somewhere (flightglobal I believe) LX want to implement maximum seating which is 125pax@30". These seats better be thin...  



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User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 38):

Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

A 3rd SWISS Avro RJ100 is now featuring the Star Alliance c/s, it's HB-IXR!

Does anyone know if they plan to paint some 32S/333/343 with the *A livery?


Patrick.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 41, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):

Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

Why do need PTVs on such short routes? It is absolutely unnecessary. There is only more weight and uneconomical.


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 42, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):
Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

With 99% of the population who have tablets or laptops with them on flights, there really isn't an use anymore.

Perhaps they will equip the aircraft with dropdown screens, or stream wifi throughout the aircraft, but more than that would be surprising.

In fact, it may likely end up that the CS-100s come with nothing, which would be status quo compared to the RJ100s.


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 41):

Unnecessary maybe, but having acess to movies/music/etc from every seat sound great. Just have a look at VX entertainment, it's simply great!

Quoting runway23 (Reply 42):

Wifi would be great if no PTVs.
Be aware that in Europe, no airline offer Wifi on domestic/short-haul flights 


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 44, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 43):
Wifi would be great if no PTVs.
Be aware that in Europe, no airline offer Wifi on domestic/short-haul flights 

You have Norwegian and soon Vueling.


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8886 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 44):

Nice, but compared to what you have in the USA....it's really nothing!
What about LH? LX? U2? AF? OS? BA? KL? IB? TK? AB? TP?...


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8751 times:

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):
Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

That would be a tad too much. Drop-down screens would be a good step forward, though, especially as LX makes good use of them on 319s-320s-321s.


User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 47, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Comparing The US and the European business models is like comparing apples and oranges. First of all, the average shorthaul sector flown in the US is a lot longer than in Europe. Think transcons at 6+ hours compared to what we fly here. ZRH-DME is one of LX's longest sectors in their European network at ~3hrs. It is no surprise that under these circumstamces, customers in the US value inflight entertainment a lot higher than over here. In contrast, Europeans value free service on board and free checked baggage, something that has almost entirely vanished in the states.

Installing personalised inflight entertainment in Europe is simply not worth it, as the added value wouldnt offset the cost. On the other hand, introducing the US's model of buy on board and baggage fees wouldnt do Europen mainline carriers much good.

WIFI is a bit of a hybrid. I'm sure that customers would appreciate it, especially on longer sectors. But again it would come at a fee and I dont think enough people would elect to pay for it on the many short flights flown here to make it worthwhile for the airlines.

We will see what happens, but you can be 99.9% sure that LX's new birds will not be equipped with PTVs.


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 48, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 47):
Installing personalised inflight entertainment in Europe is simply not worth it, as the added value wouldnt offset the cost. On the other hand, introducing the US's model of buy on board and baggage fees wouldnt do Europen mainline carriers much good.

And yet your employer has gone down the road of introducing baggage fees...

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 47):
We will see what happens, but you can be 99.9% sure that LX's new birds will not be equipped with PTVs.

Yes, anyone who thinks the contrary would be mad. If LX wanted PTVs on their short-haul fleet, they would have a subfleet of A320/A321s with PTVs for the longer flights to DME, TLV and Edelweiss flights. The fact is, it costs a lot in licensing fees, weight and brings in no additional revenue.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 46):
That would be a tad too much. Drop-down screens would be a good step forward, though, especially as LX makes good use of them on 319s-320s-321s.

I'd say it is 50/50 as to whether LX will even equip their C-Series with screens at all. Originally, when SR installed the screens they were mainly installed to display connecting gate information. Today only about half of the flights still show this.

Showing cartoons or funny short videos, safety demo, inflight map and marketing material isn't exactly prime use either. The system has carries additional weight, involved costs for maintenance, additional wiring and cost of the material itself.


User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 49, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8568 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 48):

That's not true. They introduced a new fare structure out of GVA for people traveling with hand luggage only. You can still purchase a ticket at a standard fare as has been the case before and check a bag at no charge, but if you don't have any baggage to check, it is now possible to purchase a cheaper ticket. That's not exactly the same as introducing baggage fees like we have seen at all US majors, it's actually quite the opposite.

If people purchase a low fare, no baggage ticket and then want to check bags, then yes, they will have to pay. But I have no sympathy for these people. The rules are clear and it's not just unfair, but pretty stupid indeed if they then go to shout about how LX has introduced baggage fees.


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 50, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 49):
That's not true. They introduced a new fare structure out of GVA for people traveling with hand luggage only. You can still purchase a ticket at a standard fare as has been the case before and check a bag at no charge, but if you don't have any baggage to check, it is now possible to purchase a cheaper ticket. That's not exactly the same as introducing baggage fees like we have seen at all US majors, it's actually quite the opposite.

It's funny that you copy exactly the same garbage as what LX puts out. 99% of the population can understand that LX has introduced a bagagge charge from GVA (and I have lots of emails from LX that say the same thing to passengers).

Simple case in point:

-Either you book the cheap fare and travel without a baggage (and those who dare show up with a bag at the airport will face a fare difference between what they paid and that day's fare, not 50 CHF more).
-If you want to take a baggage then you get whacked 50 CHF more each-way. This is more than any other airline out there for comparable flight lengths (be it in the US or Europe). LX has bundled the "deal" with flexibility in being able to rebook, but most passengers who try to rebook will face paying a fare difference. Where LX is quite dishonnest is that it makes customers believe they can change flights at whim, without really pointing to the fact that you will (most likely) be hit with an upfare charge.

I don't see how LX having two fares, one without bagagge and one which includes bagagge, is anything other than charging for a bag if a customer wants to bring one. LX has bundled it in a way that it is more expensive than European LCCs (or even the likes of BA, AF, KL) or all US carriers.


User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 51, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 50):

Alright, i wont waste any more precious time and energy arguing. I don't know where your grudge is coming from, but luckily we all enjoy the freedom of choice, nobody forces you to fly on LX. Feel free to fly with whomever you please.

edit: By the way, the new fare structure seems to prove very popular according to the latest company info we got. So either people are just plain stupid, or they all disagree with you.

[Edited 2013-12-04 12:41:10]

User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 52, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 51):
Alright, i wont waste any more precious time and energy arguing. I don't know where your grudge is coming from, but luckily we all enjoy the freedom of choice, nobody forces you to fly on LX. Feel free to fly with whomever you please.

I don't have any grudge against LX, I am a happy Senator and enjoy flying LX thoroughly, though very far from exclusively. However your views are heavily influenced by your employer and you are pretending LX does not charge extra for baggage, which simply is not true. You simply are too involved in Swiss' internal PR to step back and give an objective opinion. However, you are of course entitled to believe what you wish.

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 51):
edit: By the way, the new fare structure seems to prove very popular according to the latest company info we got. So either people are just plain stupid, or they all disagree with you.

Once again, show me where I said it was a bad idea. I did not say I was disagreeing with the concept. I simply disagree with you openly proclaiming, that LX does not charge for baggage. The entire Geneva Light/Flex concept is very much centred around charging for baggage. Claiming the contrary is just laughable.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 52):
Once again, show me where I said it was a bad idea. I did not say I was disagreeing with the concept. I simply disagree with you openly proclaiming, that LX does not charge for baggage. The entire Geneva Light/Flex concept is very much centred around charging for baggage. Claiming the contrary is just laughable.

The GVA concept of LX is aimesd to directly compete with Easy Jet and if you choose the "GVA Light" fare you choose to purchase a fare with limited services which is fair enough. Trust me there are various things that do not make me happy with LX but their GVA fare concept is a great thing for the ones that don't need to travel with luggage but want to fly with a premium airline at a fare of a low cost airline and for LX to gain market share out of the GVA market. If you would complain that LX started to charge for luggage for their exisiting "Economy Saver" fares for instance I would understand you but the "GVA Light" is a additional fare class.


User currently offlineteahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 54, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 53):
The GVA concept of LX is aimesd to directly compete with Easy Jet and if you choose the "GVA Light" fare you choose to purchase a fare with limited services which is fair enough. Trust me there are various things that do not make me happy with LX but their GVA fare concept is a great thing for the ones that don't need to travel with luggage but want to fly with a premium airline at a fare of a low cost airline and for LX to gain market share out of the GVA market. If you would complain that LX started to charge for luggage for their exisiting "Economy Saver" fares for instance I would understand you but the "GVA Light" is a additional fare class.

The difference is I can fly an LCC and pay a reasonably amount for baggage. I buy one of these fares and pay significantly more than any other European airline (LCC or non-LCC) to check in a normal 20kg bag.

Like others, I have nothing against the concept... but it is factually wrong to claim that LX does not charge for luggage.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

I flew LX for the first time 3 weeks ago, ZRH-NBO...and loved it. As a Star Alliance Gold member through UA, their lounges at ZRH were great and the service on board was out-standing although I'd have hated being stuck in the middle of the A333 but Thank God I was in an Exit row seat. I flew LX293 a week ago today and it was arguably the smoothest flight/landing I've ever had and that's a heck of a statement having flown as much as I've flown. Great airline, will fly them any day really especially when they get those 77Ws LH ordered for them earlier this year  


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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

Do we have already more details about the product and the pricing policy contemplated by Darwin - Etihad Regional? Any official reactions from LX as well?

User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 57, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8289 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 52):

Alright, our opinions may differ, fair enough. But claiming that im too ifluenced by "internat PR" is pathetic. There are so many things i dont like or dont agree with at LX that I could probably fill a whole thread about it, I just don't wanna get in trouble so I'll keep my mouth shut on a public forum.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 56):

I dont think you'll see a reaction anytime soon. Looking at their intended destinations, they won't be competing with LX at all or only in a very limited amount of markets. I hoestly don't see how this is going to work out anyway, but since they have tons of state-aid cash to burn, the EU commission or switzerlands anti-competition commission should probably do somethig about it. Which of course they won't as they will always only and exclusively target and hurt companies based in Europe and Switzerland respectively.   


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 57):
I hoestly don't see how this is going to work out anyway,

We will see, but as far as GVA is concerned, Etihad Regional will fill a vacuum which LX should have never left outstanding for so long, sadly.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 59, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 55):
Great airline, will fly them any day really especially when they get those 77Ws

However the 77Ws will have 10-abreast seating in Y class, much less desirable than the 8-abreast seating on the A330s/340s.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 60, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 59):
However the 77Ws will have 10-abreast seating in Y class, much less desirable than the 8-abreast seating on the A330s/340s

Don't go there again. This topic has been discused over and over......and over..



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User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 443 posts, RR: 43
Reply 61, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

Just read in Traval Inside that AC brings the Dreamliner to ZRH from 1.Mai to 30 June 2014.

From a good source I heard that Air China is coming to ZRH from next summer timetable, 3 times a week with an A330, PEK-ZRH-PEK.

[Edited 2013-12-05 23:55:43]


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 59):
However the 77Ws will have 10-abreast seating in Y class, much less desirable than the 8-abreast seating on the A330s/340s.

There's only a handful of airlines now staying with 9-abreast on the 77Ws e.g KQ & ET surprisingly, SQ and such. Everyone else seems to be going 10-across so I doubt it's a killer but I agree, it'll be worse than 8-across on an A333 and I vowed to avoid any airline with 10-across on a 77W in Y at least but by the looks of it, I won't have many choices soon.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 63, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 62):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 59):However the 77Ws will have 10-abreast seating in Y class, much less desirable than the 8-abreast seating on the A330s/340s.There's only a handful of airlines now staying with 9-abreast on the 77Ws e.g KQ & ET surprisingly, SQ and such. Everyone else seems to be going 10-across

Many other 77Ws are 9-abreast apart from KQ/ET/SQ. Also BA/UA/DL/JL/NH/KE/CX/CA/AI/PK/CI/GA/BR/QR/TG/TK and possibly a few others. That's the majority of 77W operators, so I don't think it's correct to say that "everyone else" is going 10-across, or that "there's only a handful of carriers staying with 9-abreast on 77Ws". I consider 19 carriers significantly more than a "handful".

[Edited 2013-12-06 23:26:15]

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 61):
From a good source I heard that Air China is coming to ZRH from next summer timetable, 3 times a week with an A330, PEK-ZRH-PEK.

They will probably take over the slots from Hainan who had a much better timed inbound flight to ZRH. BTW: How is LX performing on the PEK flights, any chance these flights will receive improved timings such as outbound from ZRH departing in the evening and inbound flight a real day flight?


User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 65, posted (7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 64):

I dont know, ask the chinese.


User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

G´day

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 64):
How is LX performing on the PEK flights

The last week of November I flew Milan Beijing with the return from Shanghai. Going out Swiss was fully booked, so I was "forced" to take Lufthansa´s A 380 instead, treated myself to an upgrade on the upper deck which turned out to be very enjoyable. Besides the beer on LH beats the "Blüemli-Bier" being served on LX - long gone are the days of the Hopfenperle on SR  . Return was also almost full on both LX and LH, so both seem to be doing well on the Chinese flights. I selected LH again since departure and arrival times with LX are terrible and upper deck on the A 380 beats the front of an LX A 340 in my view, even though the beds on the LH bird are angled.

Having the choice I doubt that I will ever try the upcoming LX 777 in 9 abreast economy that is likely to be deployed to PVG and HKG   

On another subject, as a Senator member (Star Alliance gold card) I almost always have an empty seat next to me when flying with LH in economy. How come LX does not offer that same service. I have flown numerous times on LX flights that were far from full with the seat next to me occupied. LH definitely seem to value frequent flyers where I get the feeling LX does not really care. LH and LX definitely do not have the same standards there. Any LX insigher out there that can explain? And please do not tell me it is the computer system that does not have the relevant capabilities.


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 66):

On another subject, as a Senator member (Star Alliance gold card) I almost always have an empty seat next to me when flying with LH in economy. How come LX does not offer that same service. I have flown numerous times on LX flights that were far from full with the seat next to me occupied. LH definitely seem to value frequent flyers where I get the feeling LX does not really care. LH and LX definitely do not have the same standards there. Any LX insigher out there that can explain? And please do not tell me it is the computer system that does not have the relevant capabilities.

Unfortunately I have a feeling it was pure coincidence, as you probably know the value of our Senator cards become less and less...After LH and OS it's just a matter of time until we will not be able to reserve Exit row seats in Economy.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 68, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 63):
Many other 77Ws are 9-abreast apart from KQ/ET/SQ. Also BA/UA/DL/JL/NH/KE/CX/CA/AI/PK/CI/GA/BR/QR/TG/TK and possibly a few others. That's the majority of 77W operators, so I don't think it's correct to say that "everyone else" is going 10-across, or that "there's only a handful of carriers staying with 9-abreast on 77Ws". I consider 19 carriers significantly more than a "handful".

You're actually right, my comment was based on airlines who have had a 77W delivered this calendar year but I did a piss-poor job of explaining that so my bad.



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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

The Etihad Regional S14 schedules have been revealed. 14 new routes will be launched from Switzerland:

ZRH - FLR 4x
ZRH - GRZ 4x
ZRH - GVA 14x
ZRH - LEJ 7x
ZRH - LNZ 3x
ZRH - LYS 7x
ZRH - TRN 3x
ZRH - VRN 7x

GVA - BEG 3x
GVA - BOD 4x
GVA - MRS 3x
GVA - NTE 4x
GVA - TLS 4x
GVA - VRN 7x

Six routes will have no direct competition :

ZRH 1040 – 1210 LEJ 1234567 S20
LEJ 0700 – 0825 ZRH 1234567 S20

ZRH 0745 – 0850 LNZ --3--67 S20
LNZ 0925 – 1025 ZRH --3--67 S20

ZRH 0750 – 0840 TRN -2-4-6-- S20
TRN 0925 – 1020 ZRH -2-4-6-- S20

ZRH 1115 – 1215 VRN 1234567 S20
VRN 0630 – 0730 ZRH 1234567 S20

GVA 1235 – 1445 BEG -2-4-6- S20
BEG 1515 – 1735 GVA -2-4-6- S20

GVA 2050 – 2155 VRN 1234567 S20
VRN 1245 – 1345 GVA 1234567 S20

Some sectors could attract new costumers due to a decent O/D volume like GVA - BEG or if the schedules fit well for (LX...) connections like ZRH - LEJ or VRN but I am sceptical about routes operated 3 times weekly especially with an early morning departure from Zürich.

The remaining routes will must face a strong competition :

F7 ZRH 0740 - 0900 FLR -2-4-6- S20
LX ZRH 0800 - 0910 FLR 1234567 AR1
LX ZRH 1250 - 1405 FLR 1234567 AR1
LX ZRH 1715 - 1830 FLR 1234567 AR1

F7 ZRH 0745 - 0855 GRZ 12-45-- S20
3L ZRH 0825 - 0955 GRZ 12345-- DH3
3L ZRH 1500 - 1630 GRZ 12345-7 DH3
3L ZRH 2000 - 2130 GRZ 12345-7 DH3

ZRH - GVA : 14 weekly S20 flights vs 61 LX A32S weekly flights

LX ZRH 0735 - 0830 LYS 1234567 AR1
F7 ZRH 0800 - 0855 LYS 1234567 S20
LX ZRH 1250 - 1350 LYS 1234567 AR1
LX ZRH 1720 - 1815 LYS 1234567 AR1

DS GVA 1125 - 1245 BOD 123456- 32S
F7 GVA 1515 - 1640 BOD 12-4-6- S20
DS GVA 1555 - 1715 BOD ----5-7 32S
DS GVA 1940 - 2100 BOD 12345-7 32S

F7 GVA 1455 - 1555 MRS -2-4-6- S20
T7 GVA 1645 - 1745 MRS 12345 BEH

DS GVA 1055 - 1220 NTE 1234567 32S
F7 GVA 1535 - 1710 NTE 1-3-5-7 S20
DS GVA 1900 - 2025 NTE 1-345-7 32S

DS GVA 1340 - 1455 TLS 12345-7 32S
F7 GVA 1525 - 1640 TLS -2345-- S20

So Darwin Regional will have to face competitors which have :

- regularly better fares (maybe except TwinJet)
- more frequencies
- faster and smoother airliners (except TwinJet)
- regular customers on routes launched a quite long time ago
- a huge number of connecting flights (for ZRH)
- a better reputation

Etihad wants to connect these cities to feed its network to Abu Dhabi and beyond but the competition seems really too strong and we have many examples in the airlines industry which have proven that this business model is not succesful. Swissair has tried a similar option with Sabena, Air Littoral etc... and did not last long. I think Darwin was a good regional airline with a intelligent niche network but when this kind of carrier is growing too fast, it generally dissapear soon ( OLT express, Styrian Spirit, Air Exel, Air Littoral, Air Turquoise, Cirrus...) Time will tell soon.



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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 70, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 69):
- a huge number of connecting flights (for ZRH)

F7 will still operate a substantially larger operation in GVA than in ZRH. What you have posted is about 50% of the entire operation they will run next summer ex GVA. There will still be flights to FCO, LUG, CBG, FLR, VLC, IBZ, STR ex-GVA on top of the schedule published above.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 69):
Some sectors could attract new costumers due to a decent O/D volume like GVA - BEG
GVA-BEG will be run 3x weekly (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday). F7's flight schedules within 2 hours of what Swiss and easyJet will operate (everyone is operating on the same days of the week). This route has gone from being not served at all to being a place for openly burning and wasting money. LX announced it, easyJet got annoyed at LX for their expansion and new fares and launched it too, and finally F7 are on this route too, probably due to the AirSerbia link. Will be interesting to see who blinks first (my bet would be LX).

[Edited 2013-12-12 15:35:22]

User currently offlinelax888 From Singapore, joined Oct 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5913 times:

Why is a LX A343 operating the 07.35AM ZRH-GVA flight today and returning at 11:05AM from GVA? Is there very high demand or just a sub due to unavailability of smaller aircraft?

User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 70):
F7 will still operate a substantially larger operation in GVA than in ZRH. What you have posted is about 50% of the entire operation they will run next summer ex GVA. There will still be flights to FCO, LUG, CBG, FLR, VLC, IBZ, STR ex-GVA on top of the schedule published above.

Let's take the TLS schedules and its connection possibilities for example . TLS 1730 – 1845 GVA -2345--

- GVA 1105 VLC ---4-6- no connections possibility
- GVA 1430 FLR 1-3-5-7 no connections possibility
- GVA 1455 STR 1-3-5-7 no connections possibility
- GVA 1645 IBZ ----5-7 no connections possibility
- GVA 1805 CBG -2-4-6- no connections possibility
- GVA 2000 LUG 12345-- Good connections on days 2345
- GVA 2030 FCO 1234567 Descent connections on days 2345 but Alitalia, Air France and easyJet offer direct link
- GVA 2145 AUH -2--5-7 Connections possible on days 2 and 5

I doubt that it will significantly improve the loads.



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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 73, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 72):
I doubt that it will significantly improve the loads.

The AUH-GVA-AUH schedule will change and become an afternoon arrival and evening departure on all days instead of 3x per week right now (with the other days of the week being morning departures).

Some of the routes from GVA/ZRH are also operated more based on operational constraints rather than commercial potential, or their schedule is heavily biased towards this.

Most of the routes you have cited above are heavily O&D focused rather than operated connecting (ie. VLC, FLR, IBZ, CBG, LUG, FCO), in fact all of these routes (except STR) are already in operation since a long-time (except CBG which is more recent).


User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 73):
Most of the routes you have cited above are heavily O&D focused rather than operated connecting (ie. VLC, FLR, IBZ, CBG, LUG, FCO), in fact all of these routes (except STR) are already in operation since a long-time (except CBG which is more recent).

That is why I have said :

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 69):
I think Darwin was a good regional airline with a intelligent niche network

And I still do not understand how Etihad hopes to be succesful with recently announced routes as I was referring in reply 69.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 75, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5525 times:

Does anybody have any information about the Swiss A 320 tail strike in London on 3. December 2013? The aircraft was ferried back to Zurich last Thursday.

Swiss kept surprisingly quiet about this.


User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5534 times:

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 75):
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=46cc8382&opt=0

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 75):
Swiss kept surprisingly quiet about this.

Please let me rephrase: The media kept surprisingly quiet about this.



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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Todays EDW Mombasa flight seems to have been split: Two A320s (HB-IHX/Z) are operating it as EDW78A/B. Seems like a long flight for an 320, can it do it without a fuel stop?


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User currently offlineB738flyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5159 times:
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Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 77):
Seems like a long flight for an 320, can it do it without a fuel stop?

That is very long flight for a A320. According to GCMAP ZRH-MBA is 6463km and to technical specs of Airbus a A320 does 6100 (with sharklets). So there must be a tech stop somewhere.



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 79, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Both flights make a tech stop in LXR according to www.teletext.ch.

User currently offlineaviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 80, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Flights will be making a fuel stop in Luxor.

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 81, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Bugger, now I know why all the MBA & JRO Cargo was left behind @ ZRH  


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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 79):
Both flights make a tech stop in LXR according to www.teletext.ch.

That's like four hours to LXR and another four or so to MBA.. That's gonna be a long flight for all aboard!



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 83, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

For all trip reporters ex ZRH :

LX apparently will operate the following flts with A333's iso A321's

02JAN14 LX2110 / LX2111 ZRH-AGP-ZRH 333

04JAN14 LX2110 / LX2111 ZRH-AGP-ZRH 333

Flights are bookable through the airlines website and do show the A330's as equipmt.



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User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 84, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 83):

I'll be on reserve duty on those days, maybe they will send me on one of these flights 


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 85, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

must be fun, having a light widebody on such a short flight.
I do remember 36pax on an A300-600 from FRA to AMS with no cargo on board too 
We felt like Apollo 12 on take off   Must have been great fun for the guys/girls up front!



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 86, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

And add another one to that :

28DEC13 LX2110 / LX2111 ZRH-AGP-ZRH 333



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User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4065 times:

Those flights could also be a result of Longhaul pilots having not enough landings on one type (a minimum is required for their certification) I don't know if this is still an issue but it was the last time they scheduled these flights to VIE and BRU.


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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 87):
Those flights could also be a result of Longhaul pilots having not enough landings on one type (a minimum is required for their certification) I don't know if this is still an issue but it was the last time they scheduled these flights to VIE and BRU.

While this is indeed true, in this case I think it's because of high demand since they look fully booked (or almost) in at least one direction.



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User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 88):
While this is indeed true, in this case I think it's because of high demand since they look fully booked (or almost) in at least one direction.

Yes you are right, they look pretty full !

Other destinations with A333 till New Year:
ATH, HAJ, FRA and BRU.

But I don't know the exact schedule of those flights.



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 89):
Other destinations with A333 till New Year:
ATH, HAJ, FRA and BRU.

Well, HAJ and BRU are probebly because of this then?

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 87):
Those flights could also be a result of Longhaul pilots having not enough landings on one type (a minimum is required for their certification) I don't know if this is still an issue but it was the last time they scheduled these flights to VIE and BRU.

From Galileo system:

21DEC 22DEC .....67 ZRH ATH 0920 1255 LX1830 333*C

25DEC 25DEC ..3.... ZRH HAJ 1735 1855 LX 828 333*C

29DEC 29DEC ......7 ZRH BRU 0735 0900 LX 786 333*C


Only outbound to ATH are +/- full, BRU and HAJ wide open.



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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 89):
Other destinations with A333 till New Year:
ATH, HAJ, FRA and BRU.

But I don't know the exact schedule of those flights.

I do not know about ATH and FRA but HAJ will get a nice christmas present :

25DEC LX 828 ZRH 1735 - 1855 HAJ
29DEC LX 786 ZRH 0735 - 0900 BRU



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 92, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

All flights except for the AGP rotations are training flights for pilot crosstraining from the A320 to the A330.

[Edited 2013-12-20 11:00:49]

User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 93, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 92):
All flights except for the AGP rotations are training flights for pilot crosstraining from the A320 to the A330.

What longhaul flights is LX reducing to allow for this, or is LX just using aircraft that would otherwise not fly or be used as backups ?


User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Turin's mayor announced today at a conference that TRN is finalizing the deal to open TRN-GVA.
Link in Italian:
http://www.ecoditorino.org/torino-e-...-le-parole-di-fassino-20131220.htm



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 95, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3541 times:

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 94):

Turin's mayor announced today at a conference that TRN is finalizing the deal to open TRN-GVA.
Link in Italian:

What airline? And who is doeing TRN-ZRH?


User currently offlinephofmannsair From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 95):

Darwin Airlines / Etihad Regional will begin ZRH-TRN flights as of 01MAY14 3/w with SB20.


Patrick.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 97, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 93):

They are probably using aircraft that would otherwise sit idle at ZRH inbetween longhaul rotations.


User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Swiss has updated its fleet webpage adding the CS100 :

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/fly_swis...rcraft/Pages/bombardier_cs100.aspx

I cannot imagine Swiss operating the CS1 in its unique dense class of 125 seats so it should be the manufacturer specifications for the time being.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 99, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98):
Swiss has updated its fleet webpage adding the CS100 :

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/fly_swis...rcraft/Pages/bombardier_cs100.aspx

I cannot imagine Swiss operating the CS1 in its unique dense class of 125 seats so it should be the manufacturer specifications for the time being

It's up there for already some months; probably by mid 2014 SWISS will provide more details about the specifications about their planes. However for now it's not even clear by when LX will take delivery of the first aircraft. My guess we will not see it in service before beginning of Summer timetable 2015 the earliest.


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