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Turkish Aviation November 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 14966 times:

Happy November, Happy Halloween folks;


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Let's continue things from where we left off;

-There were questions about when/if TK to fly to HAV, MEX, CCS, MIA....others
-TK Cargo Ops, how are things?
-TK IST-TLV demand and performance
-New Bilateral with Canada allows TK to fly 9 x weekly to Canada? Montreal?
-AC to start flying Toronto-Istanbul daily in June 2014
-Heavy discussions about TK to Sydney non-stop
-TK to Tokyo goes 2 x daily
-New Istanbul airport to be designed by a Norwegian firm, opening 2019?
-Rumors about TK flying to SEA nonstop
-TK looking to lease more 330/340s while still looking to buy more planes to enter the fleet by 2020-2023
-Heated debates about Ankara not getting enough international flights from TK or other big carriers
-Now the latest batch of A333s to join TK fleet, can we expect to see Comfort Class on 333/77W? Or, is Comfort on its way out?
-SAW is getting a second runway and TK has plans to base up to 100 planes there.
-TK is moving 5 A320s from AJet to TK?
-Onur air is looking for more 320/321 to lease?
-And great news...abducted TK pilots in Beirut finally back home  

and others....

I can't wait to get my Herpa Wings 1:500 scale model of TK 332F.

Please join us with your news, photos, views, rumors, rant and good old sense of humor.
Just a friendly reminder, Please refrain from personal attacks and political innuendos.
Thank you and Welcome,
TK787

121 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

The first A333 of the new batch, TC-JNS (c/n 1458), should deliver any moment now, with TC-JNT (c/n 1476) still in line for delivery this year. Also, the 3 former Gulf Air A332 frames, to be registered TC-JNU/V/Y, should come up for delivery.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14769 times:

Look for new and final Kobe commercial soon (unless they extend his agreement). Just finished shooting this week here in LA.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently onlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14679 times:

Thanks for the new thread!

I am still hoping for more international connectivity at secondary Turkish airports. Look at France, where in addition to Paris, Nice, Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Marseille all have good connections (even transatlantic). Look at the UK, where Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow are all well connected. Or see Poland even, where Krakow, Katowice etc all are connected internationally. Here, other than Istanbul, all cities are suffering, thanks to TK's policy of a single hub.


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 14629 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):

A photo of TC-JNS during normaly is last flight test !




And also i ha post this comment in last topic but it's close now :


Hello , i have read in french web site that TK thinking of opening a second daily flight between IST and TLS, do you have any information about that ?
Many thanks in advance !


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14543 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):
I am still hoping for more international connectivity at secondary Turkish airports. Look at France, where in addition to Paris, Nice, Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Marseille all have good connections (even transatlantic). Look at the UK, where Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow are all well connected. Or see Poland even, where Krakow, Katowice etc all are connected internationally. Here, other than Istanbul, all cities are suffering, thanks to TK's policy of a single hub.

You cannot compare the economics and purchase power of Turkey with those of France or the UK. You better look at countries like Russia, Brazil or Mexico... which are the international connections and transatlantic services in other cities except Moscow, Sao Paulo / Rio de Janeiro and Mexico DF?

[Edited 2013-11-01 03:52:10]

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14523 times:

For our meeting at DXB, a colleague of mine will join from AMS. We studied different routing options but surprised to see price of KL. I have difficulty to explain this price, looks like EK is killing KL by A388. There may be lessons for TK to be learned:

EK AMS-DXB Y A388 : 1330 Euro
KL AMS-DXB Y B772 : 425 Euro
TK AMS-IST-DXB Y A321/A333 : 1213 Euro


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14481 times:

Thanks for the nice thread.
How do you think Pegasus will be affected from the heated competition at SAW? TK is flying only international there, and most routes are overlapping, even the departure hours are quite close.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14467 times:

Quoting ptahturan88 (Reply 7):
How do you think Pegasus will be affected from the heated competition at SAW?

Welcome to a.net  
I raised the same question last months thread and LAXintl ( fellow a.net member) suggested Pegasus becoming less dependent on SAW and branching out to other hubs;

"Remember Pegasus said they would likely open a 5th base next summer. Ankara could very well be it after current SAW, ADB, AYT and ADA bases."

And for some of us living on the Asian side close to SAW, in the years ahead when the new airport opens up, SAW could become our home airport. If there were to be a JFK-SAW flight in the future, I will have no need to go to the bigger airport in Istanbul. Recently, I have been looking at JFK-IST one-stop and KL partnering with Pegasus comes up as the best fare and option with JFK-AMS on KL, and AMS-SAW on Pegasus.


User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 131 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

I flew TK012 from NYC to Istanbul Tuesday. I think timing of this flight is excellent . Business and comfort class were full maybe few seats were available in Y. I am not impressed with the J cabin of 777 (with no wifi) , I think A 333 has a better J class . Maybe because of timing neither the dinner nor the breakfast were not even average . İt really seems that cooks (there were two) were really hard working since most services performed by them .

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14341 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 9):
I flew TK012 from NYC to Istanbul Tuesday.

I agree. Most people are tired and want to sleep and there is the food service. Everyone is a bit grumpy. Recently, I try to omit one of those meals (mostly the second one) and try to sleep.
Next time you are in NY, let me know, maybe we'll get a drink or something.


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14302 times:

Hi back  

I did not think of the code-sharing agreement with KLM. It should def help LF also. Nice. I keep track of flights offered at SAW by Pegasus and THY on different routes, like SAW-Dusseldof, SAW- AMS. I notice that the price difference favors for Pegasus, not surprisingly, yet it's almost negligible. Pegasus managed to post an increase in yields in 2Q13, we'll see how they'll do in the third quarter.


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14301 times:

I was also thinking of the to-be-implemented price-ceiling on domestic air fares. Ineffective, but still not very good for the sentiment.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14272 times:

As we move into November, I just ran across and analysis that OAG did a frequency and seat capacity forecast extrapolation of busiest airports in the world by 2017, and amazing Istanbul comes in # 3 !

Per OAG the Top-10 forecast airports in 2017 in seat-capacity.

1. Beijing
2. Atlanta
3. Istanbul
4. Dubai
5. Jakarta
6. Los Angeles
7. Haneda
8. Heathrow
9. Singapore
10.Hong Kong

Also looking back 10-years, available seat-capacity at Istanbul Ataturk has grown from under 1.8-million to over 5-million per month.
THY has a 76% market share at IST as of April 2013.


Also OAG forecast the Turkish domestic market will become 6th largest domestic air market in the world, with about 54% of the market being served by LCCs. (today LCCs are 43% of domestic seats in Turkey)

For reference the largest forecast domestic air markets.
1. USA
2. Brazil
3. China
4. India
5. Indonesia
6. Turkey
7. Mexico
8. Philippines
9. Japan
10.Spain



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14244 times:

Thanks for a new thread .

TK had wanted to start an extra flight IST-SKG but it has been turned down by the CAA because for the last 4 years an application by A3 for one slot pair has been turned down by its counterparts. Hopefully they can come to an arrangement as both cities mayors/tourism chiefs want to see an increase between the two cities.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14220 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
TK had wanted to start an extra flight IST-SKG but it has been turned down by the CAA because for the last 4 years an application by A3 for one slot pair has been turned down by its counterparts. Hopefully they can come to an arrangement as both cities mayors/tourism chiefs want to see an increase between the two cities.

Too bad the Greek CAA links two unrelated things. A route right to an airport slot issue.

Unfortunately IST slots are very hard to come by. A3 either needs to look at changes in time to less crowded part of the day, or needs to make a deal to acquire someones slots.

Too bad for SKG. I know several communities in Greece have been lobbying strongly for increased air service. For example officials in both Corfu and some other town whose name escapes me in Western Greece met with TK officials this year seeking service.

Politics I guess....



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14202 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):

Its always the same but if A3 wants to serve SKG-ATH then they should be offered whats available even if its not their ideal timings. To solve the issue TK and A3 should look at two flights one each and codeshares on both. Being two Star members its not that hard . Regards the Islands both Pegasus and TK have expressed interest.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14074 times:

I am on TK 9 to LAX in comfort class. I do not know about the J or Y but the comfort class is almost full. I think there are two empty seats. Whenever i am on CC, it is always almost full.

Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

Additionally, reservation systems will not give you a ticket on CC if the connecting onward flight is also not premium economy. They wont combine cc + y. Not in my case anyways. I had this before and this time too. The travel agent bent over backwords to get me a cc+y combination. Imagine the amount of passengers and revenue lost just because of this.

About the flight: afteer the food service the FAs got lost and never came around again. They dont walk around the cabin and they dont enforce the closing of the window blinds. It was like a daytime in the cabin halfway through the flight until i asked the FA twice to tell people to close the blinds.

Food keeps getting worse in CC. Today it was almost like a normal economy meal with fancy plates.

The passport control at IST is crazy (on departure). Not enough police controllers. More than half the booths were empty. I had to wait around 20 minutes in the line on an average friday midday. The line for foreign nationals were even longer, going outside the queueing lanes into the terminal. IST is a circus!



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14061 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

Yes this can happen.

CC has depending on the route has 2 or 3 fare pricing buckets, while economy itself can have many dozen fare buckets. Its quite possible the higher fare Y bucket becomes more expensive then a discount CC buckets.

Same things happens, other places. For example for work we sent and employee to Texas recently, and it was cheaper to book them a F class seat then full fare Y on AA.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Additionally, reservation systems will not give you a ticket on CC if the connecting onward flight is also not premium economy. They wont combine cc + y. Not in my case anyways. I had this before and this time too. The travel agent bent over backwords to get me a cc+y combination. Imagine the amount of passengers and revenue lost just because of this.

This is on purpose to keep customers happy. Too many complained about flying CC and then being stuck in regular economy.

So now its harder to combine CC with non CC segments.



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User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13851 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

It is actually not that simple... What if that seat you took was the only one at that price?



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13770 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
busiest airports in the world by 2017, and amazing Istanbul comes in # 3 !

Amazing numbers!!

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price

Sometimes it doesn't make sense. In January, I went on a cruise and 6 days out I was able to get a suite-room cheaper than a regular room with a balcony. Doesn't happen all the time, I'll take it when I can.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Per OAG the Top-10 forecast airports in 2017 in seat-capacity.

1. Beijing
2. Atlanta
3. Istanbul

With the new mega airport planned for the Istanbul market due to be operational in 2017, Turkish Airlines’ intentions are very clear. - See more at: http://www.oag.com/OAG-Blog/Insight-...ks?country=GB#sthash.XjvVk1Yy.dpuf


This seems to me too optimistic. OAG counts new airport operable in 2017, but there is no spesific date about this. An article about this (Turkish only)

http://www.airporthaber.com/kose-yaz...ak--ve-gundemden-satirbaslari.html


User currently offlineLX1800 From Netherlands, joined May 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

I saw that in the october 2013 thread OA260 and TK105 asked for more info on which aircraft are fitted with the PTV-new-interior.

737-900 fleet
TC-JYA - TC-JYJ (whole fleet)

737-800 fleet
TC-JHK - TC-JHU (10 aircraft)

A321 fleet
TC-JRM - TC-JSL (23 aircraft)

In addition to that there is one A320 whick is configured with dedicated business class seats but not in the style of the new TK interior. There are also 4 737-700 aircraft (TC-JKJ - TC-JKO) which are configured with dedicated seats but also not in the style of the new TK interior. One of the airbus A321's is configured with a cabin that does not have dedicated business class seats nor PTV's but the seats and cabin are in the same colours as the new TK interior.

Hope this provides some clarity.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13298 times:

Here is the latest fleet listing for TK - current as of October 11th.

Legend is.

Registration - Type - DVS Type - MSN - Seats

TC-JDJ A340-311 340 23 270
TC-JDK A340-312 342 25 270
TC-JDL A340-311 340 57 270
TC-JDM A340-311 340 115 270
TC-JDN A340-313 343 180 270
TC-JIH A340-313 343 270 270
TC-JII A340-313 343 331 270
TC-JNA A330-203 332 697 250
TC-JNB A330-203 332 704 250
TC-JNC A330-203 332 742 250
TC-JND A330-203 332 754 250
TC-JNE A330-203 332 774 250
TC-JNF A330-203 33Q 463 281
TC-JNG A330-203 33Q 504 281
TC-JNH A330-343 333 1150 289
TC-JNI A330-343 333 1160 289
TC-JNJ A330-343 333 1170 289
TC-JNK A330-343 333 1172 289
TC-JNL A330-343 333 1204 289
TC-JNM A330-343 333 1212 289
TC-JNN A330-343 333 1228 289
TC-JNO A330-343 333 1298 289
TC-JNP A330-343 333 1307 289
TC-JNR A330-343 333 1311 289
TC-JDO A330-243F 33X 1004 Freighter
TC-JDP A330-243F 33X 1092 Freighter
TC-JDR A330-243F 33X 1344 Freighter
TC-JDS A330-243F 33X 1418 Freighter
TC-JCI A330-243F 33X 1442 Freighter
TC-JCT A310-304F 31Y 502 Freighter
TC-JCY A310-304F 31Y 478 Freighter
TC-JCZ A310-304F 31Y 480 Freighter
TC-JLM A319-132 319 2738 132
TC-JLN A319-132 319 2739 132
TC-JLO A319-132 315 2631 132
TC-JLP A319-132 315 2655 132
TC-JLR A319-132 31D 3142 138
TC-JLS A319-132 316 4629 132
TC-JLT A319-132 316 4665 132
TC-JLU A319-132 316 4695 132
TC-JLV A319-132 316 4755 132
TC-JLY A319-132 316 4774 132
TC-JLZ A319-132 316 4790 132
TC-JUA A319-132 31E 2404 132
TC-JUB A319-132 31E 2414 132
TC-JUD A319-132 31E 2452 132
TC-JLJ A320-232 32L 1856 162
TC-JLK A320-232 32L 1909 162
TC-JLL A320-232 32E 1996 167
TC-JPA A320-232 320 2609 159
TC-JPB A320-232 320 2626 159
TC-JPC A320-232 320 2928 159
TC-JPD A320-232 320 2934 159
TC-JPE A320-232 320 2941 159
TC-JPF A320-232 320 2984 159
TC-JPG A320-232 320 3010 159
TC-JPH A320-232 320 3185 159
TC-JPI A320-232 320 3208 159
TC-JPJ A320-232 320 3239 159
TC-JPK A320-232 320 3257 159
TC-JPL A320-232 320 3303 159
TC-JPM A320-232 320 3341 159
TC-JPN A320-232 320 3558 159
TC-JPO A320-232 320 3567 159
TC-JPP A320-232 320 3603 159
TC-JPR A320-232 320 3654 159
TC-JPS A320-232 320 3718 159
TC-JPT A320-232 320 3719 159
TC-JPU A320-214 32C 3896 150
TC-JPV A320-214 32C 3931 150
TC-JPY A320-214 32C 3949 150
TC-JAI A320-232 32G 3259 150
TC-JBI A320-232 32G 3308 150
TC-JUE A320-232 B32 2156 180
TC-JUF A320-232 B32 2164 180
TC-JUG A320-232 B32 2395 180
TC-JUI A320-232 B32 2401 180
TC-JUJ A320-232 32D 2522 150
TC-JUK A320-232 B32 2602 180
TC-JRA A321-231 321 2823 194
TC-JRB A321-231 321 2868 194
TC-JRC A321-231 321 2999 194
TC-JRD A321-231 321 3015 194
TC-JRE A321-231 321 3126 194
TC-JRF A321-231 321 3207 194
TC-JRG A321-231 321 3283 194
TC-JRH A321-231 321 3350 194
TC-JRI A321-231 321 3405 194
TC-JRJ A321-231 321 3429 194
TC-JRK A321-231 321 3525 194
TC-JRL A321-231 321 3539 194
TC-JRM A321-231 32R 4643 180
TC-JRN A321-231 32R 4654 180
TC-JRO A321-231 32R 4682 180
TC-JRP A321-231 32R 4698 180
TC-JRR A321-231 32R 4706 180
TC-JRS A321-231 32R 4761 180
TC-JRT A321-231 32R 4779 180
TC-JRU A321-231 32R 4788 180
TC-JRV A321-231 32R 5077 180
TC-JRY A321-231 32R 5083 180
TC-JRZ A321-231 32R 5118 180
TC-JSA A321-231 32R 5154 180
TC-JSB A321-231 32R 5205 180
TC-JSC A321-231 32R 5254 180
TC-JSD A321-231 32R 5388 180
TC-JSE A321-231 32R 5450 180
TC-JSF A321-231 32R 5465 180
TC-JSG A321-231 32R 5490 180
TC-JSH A321-231 32R 5546 180
TC-JSI A321-231 32R 5584 180
TC-JSJ A321-231 32R 5633 180
TC-JSK A321-231 32R 5663 180
TC-JSL A321-231 32R 5667 180
TC-JSM A321-231 32R 5689 180
TC-JMH A321-232 32N 3637 178
TC-JMI A321-232 32N 3673 178
TC-JMJ A321-232 32N 3688 178
TC-JMK A321-232 32N 3738 178
TC-JML A321-231 32J 3382 194
TC-JFH B737-800W 738 29770 165
TC-JFI B737-800W 738 29771 165
TC-JFJ B737-800W 738 29772 165
TC-JFK B737-800W 738 29773 165
TC-JFN B737-800W 738 29776 165
TC-JFO B737-800W 738 29777 165
TC-JFR B737-800W 738 29779 165
TC-JFT B737-800W 738 29780 165
TC-JFU B737-800W 738 29781 165
TC-JFZ B737-800W 738 29784 165
TC-JGA B737-800W 738 29785 165
TC-JGB B737-800W 738 29786 165
TC-JGC B737-800W 738 29787 165
TC-JGD B737-800W 738 29788 165
TC-JGF B737-800W 738 29790 165
TC-JGG B737-800W 738 34405 165
TC-JGH B737-800W 738 34406 165
TC-JGI B737-800W 738 34407 165
TC-JGJ B737-800W 738 34408 165
TC-JGK B737-800W 738 34409 165
TC-JGL B737-800W 738 34410 165
TC-JGM B737-800W 738 34411 165
TC-JGN B737-800W 738 34412 165
TC-JGO B737-800W 738 34413 165
TC-JGP B737-800W 738 34414 165
TC-JGR B737-800W 738 34415 165
TC-JGS B737-800W 738 34416 165
TC-JGT B737-800W 738 34417 165
TC-JGU B737-800W 738 34418 165
TC-JGV B737-800W 738 34419 165
TC-JGY B737-800WSFP 738 35738 165
TC-JGZ B737-800WSFP 738 35739 165
TC-JHA B737-800WSFP 738 35740 165
TC-JHB B737-800WSFP 738 35741 165
TC-JHC B737-800WSFP 738 35742 165
TC-JHD B737-800WSFP 738 35743 165
TC-JHE B737-800WSFP 738 35744 165
TC-JHF B737-800WSFP 738 35745 165
TC-JHK B737-800WSFP 78D 40975 151
TC-JHL B737-800WSFP 78D 40976 151
TC-JHM B737-800WSFP 78D 40980 151
TC-JHN B737-800WSFP 78D 40981 151
TC-JHO B737-800WSFP 78D 40987 151
TC-JHP B737-800WSFP 78D 42000 151
TC-JHR B737-800WSFP 78D 40989 151
TC-JHS B737-800WSFP 78D 40991 151
TC-JHT B737-800WSFP 78D 42001 151
TC-JHU B737-800WSFP 78D 42002 151
TC-JYA B737-900ER 79B 40973 151
TC-JYB B737-900ER 79B 40974 151
TC-JYC B737-900ER 79B 40977 151
TC-JYD B737-900ER 79B 40978 151
TC-JYE B737-900ER 79B 40979 151
TC-JYF B737-900ER 79B 40982 151
TC-JYG B737-900ER 79B 40983 151
TC-JYH B737-900ER 79B 40984 151
TC-JYI B737-900ER 79B 40985 151
TC-JYJ B737-900ER 79B 40986 151
TC-JKJ B737-700W 73W 34297 124
TC-JKK B737-700W 73W 34298 124
TC-JKN B737-700W 73W 34299 124
TC-JKO B737-700W 73W 34300 124
TC-JJE B777-300ER 77C 40707 337
TC-JJF B777-300ER 77C 40708 337
TC-JJG B777-300ER 77C 40791 337
TC-JJH B777-300ER 77C 40792 337
TC-JJI B777-300ER 77C 40709 337
TC-JJJ B777-300ER 77C 40710 337
TC-JJK B777-300ER 77C 40711 337
TC-JJL B777-300ER 77C 40793 337
TC-JJM B777-300ER 77C 40794 337
TC-JJN B777-300ER 77C 40795 337
TC-JJO B777-300ER 77C 40796 337
TC-JJP B777-300ER 77C 40797 337

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12985 times:

Quoting LX1800 (Reply 22):

Thanks a lot much appreciated  


25 Post contains images lightsaber : IMHO, this list requires the new 'mega-IST.' Due to the fleet mix, this is unlikely to happen otherwise. Or does this include SAW? I assume, due to t
26 LAXintl : I read TK cargo will move to from DXB to new DWC. They will also increase freighter services to Dubai and plan 5x weekly A330F by March.
27 B747forever : Hi guys, What would the connection process be like at IST if I am flying BCN-IST-LAX-IST-ARN all on TK? Will I have to clear customs and enter the cou
28 LAXintl : Similar to London. Follows signs to transit, clear security, and you will be in departure gate area.
29 Post contains links TK105 : This article is under discussion in Turkey for a while now: http://gulfnews.com/gn-focus/turkey/...next-global-aviation-hub-1.1247630 In short it says
30 LAXintl : Its single airport, not metro area. Whether it happens in 2017, 2018, or 2019, I think the trajectory is there. Certainly an Istanbul airport will be
31 Post contains images TK105 : DHMI published passenger numbers for Oct13. As expected results for October are very good. Some significant figures are as follows: - IST Dom +13% and
32 Tupolev160 : Better make sure what you are talking about. Besides Paris and NCE, all the other airports are pretty useless to take you anywhere outside France or
33 Alsatian : That is true. Even the second french city, Lyons, has not been able to maintain a direct service to NYC.
34 leftyboarder : Here you come with that attitide again... ESB is linked directly to around 50 points, more than half being in Turkey. LYS is connected to 115 destina
35 LAXintl : And here it is -- Montreal Starts June 3rd, 2014 - 3x weekly (Tue/Fri/Sun) using A330s. TK35 IST-YUL 1400-1720 TK36 YUL-IST 2340-1600 =
36 B747forever : Thanks!
37 TurkishSky : And YYZ goes 6 weekly...
38 Post contains images ASA : awesome - that's what we have been talking about YYZ 6x weekly and YUL 3x weekly - is a good foothold in Canada. Similar to EK and QR combined in ter
39 ek604 : PK set to wet lease 2 737-800s from XC . Speculated aircraft are TC-TJL and TC-TJJ
40 radiopolitic : I remember someone posting a leaked schedule of which routes would be starting by which dates at some point. Have all of those been fulfilled? Can any
41 ankaraflyjet : ESB pax volume for Jan-Oct 2013 is 9,133,166 so ESB will reach 10,000,000 category for the first time this year end of December and I think ADB will
42 Post contains images lightsaber : Agreed. But Turkey also needs to make certain laws more investor friendly. But that transition is so far in the future, it isn't worth worrying about
43 LAXintl : It was approved - 3500m x 60m and A380 capable. Approx $600mil project along with other airfield improvements including a new control tower (one of t
44 Post contains links Yakamoz : Hello everyone Is there a newer presentation by TK? The last one was that of June '13. http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl...ations/presentations_jun
45 TK105 : In Europe only Germany has 6 airports with 10M+/annum passenger range (considering that STR will probably pass 10M by end of 2013). All other countri
46 Post contains links TK787 : Here is an illustration of the future SAW. Do I see a new terminal and runway built over the highway? http://www.arup.com/~/media/Images/P...kçen_90
47 BNAOWB : Does anyone have a guess regarding the percentage of TK's arriving passengers from North America that connect beyond IST? And, of the total TK arrivin
48 Post contains images tkfan : Do you know from when this illustration is?? I think its not very accurate, I dont think HABOM will be demolished shortly befor its completition
49 TK105 : I do not know about the terminal but there is certainly a motorway tunnel under the new run way since my company contributed to the traffic design of
50 Post contains links LAXintl : Sure see -- Turkish Aviation December 2012 (by TK787 Nov 30 2012 in Civil Aviation) I posted data at end of last year for much of the longhaul networ
51 Post contains links TK787 : Can't tell from the website, maybe someone else has more info. Also check out this one; http://www.arup.com/Projects/ITEP.aspx and this about HABOM;
52 BNAOWB : Thank you. And, for the benefit of anyone also interested, here is the data that you posted for TK's North American destinations (of the time period
53 Post contains links TK787 : Brand new A333s for TK keep coming; cn 1458 TC-JNS should join shortly, now cn 1476 TC-JNT flying. Thanks for these awesome photo, a.net member "bycac
54 ankaraflyjet : I am dreaming of an Embraer fleet for TK based at ESB with both Business Class and economy seats as it is in AC, with inflight entertainment and then
55 LAXintl : I see TK released its 3rd quarters numbers. Good profit - 705mil TRY net (~$345mil USD). Well TK is still mostly a Turkey O&D airline. Intl-Intl t
56 Post contains images lightsaber : Not yet. That will require the new mega IST. Even then, I expect TK to stay below 50% connecting traffic. Nice image. But what is the current status?
57 Post contains links TK787 : Anyone else watching the Turkish Airlines Open on Golf Channel? Cute looking tee markers; http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/24/56/51/5433975/3/628x471.jpg
58 Asiaflyer : Best looking tee markers of the season. What a finish of the season for Stenson if he wins the Race to Dubai as well!
59 Post contains links and images TK787 : I just did a very rough positioning and it looks like there is enough room with HABOM being there. The current terminal could be turned into a domest
60 BNAOWB : Does anyone know how the IST PDEW for YUL/BOS/IAH (prior to the start of TK at IAH) compares to the IST PDEW of prospective "Americas" destinations s
61 Post contains links LAXintl : I posted the top US-Turkey O&D pairs earlier in the year. Turkish Aviation January 2013 (by TK787 Dec 31 2012 in Civil Aviation) =
62 Turkish777X : Hi Friends! Is there any update on TC JDN? She was not in the air since 27 October. I hope she is undergoing Tech and will not be written off due to t
63 LAXintl : Pegasus is out with its 3rd quarter earnings - 115.3mil TL net profit (~€41.8mil). Their 9-month 2013 Ebitar reached €169 mil. In 2013 so far it h
64 ptahturan88 : Hi guys, I was wondering why Turkish Airlines is focused on increasing its transit passengers (int'l-int'l). I mean yield decreases as the the distanc
65 Post contains links Turkish777X : Hey friends, just realized that the upcoming two A333s have both a TK livery under the main landing gear à la Emirates. It is the same as of one of t
66 Turkish777X : AGAIN... TK announcing 2 new destinations in Germany. Munster and Kassel. There is almost no city left that TK does not serve in Germany. As far as i
67 Turkish350XWB : With the opening of the new airport TK should order 50-100 Embraer 190s to serve all these little cities on a 3daily basis.
68 boun : I've read that Onur Air is getting rid of older planes (or just send the ones with upcoming D checks back) With recent developments within the company
69 Turkish350XWB : WTF is happening in Dubai... While EK is going to have 140 A380s and a few hundred other widebody jetz, TK is still struggling in the 30-60 class... T
70 TK787 : It is just incredible that 777X to get 259 orders in a single day and 380 to get 50 orders from EK. I still remember the first 777 flight when I live
71 LAXintl : With a new owner from earlier this year, and now new CEO, I am sure there will be some directional changes. The new CEO (who just came from Atlasjet)
72 Post contains images TK105 : This week I'll be having another tour around north east Europe: ESB-MUC-GDN-WAW-MUC-ESB. Polish side will be all on Embraers which will be my first.
73 Turkish350XWB : Yes you are right that the business models are different. But it is still questionable if TK will ever catch EK regarding the importance/size in long
74 ankaraflyjet : Sure LH is the leading airline at ESB for international premium traffic. It is a pity that TK cannot operate better hours for ESB FRA sector and I th
75 mercure1 : Why does TK need to "catch" EK? Maybe EK should instead catch TK with greater number of countries, destinations, and frequencies TK serves. At the en
76 DTW2HYD : Exactly it is much easier to fill a 320/737 than a A380/B777X. TK has much diverse fleet strategy than EK's VLA fits all model. TK can deploy right s
77 Post contains links TK787 : Pegasus getting A320s; http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...irst-pair-of-sharkletted-a320-200s
78 Post contains links Alsatian : Sun Express will expand French market with the introduction of ADB - CDG / LYS / NTE routes in S14 : http://www.sunexpress.com/images/sto...ht%20conne
79 gokmengs : Hope all is well, sorry I wasn't able to participate lately, but I am always reading what you guys are posting. Excellent stuff Hey man been a long ti
80 LAXintl : TK has firmed options on 5 additional 777-300ERs. I think one needs to remember Turkey will always be a short/medium haul centered market. There simpl
81 mercure1 : Yes I see TK situation is much closer to what major European or US airlines experience as they have large home markets, and bulk of traffic density is
82 TK787 : TK already had 77W additions; -3 x 2014 -7 x 2015 -6 x 2016 -4 x 2017 This 5 you mention could not be on top of them, right? About TK vs. EK, or TK v
83 Post contains links mercure1 : Yes firmed 5 additional 77Ws. http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1120-t...kish-airlines-firms-777-300er-deal Part of several announcements at Dubai. In add
84 Post contains links and images LAXintl : Well things must be mickey mouse over at Onur Air. The new CEO with less than 2-months on the job has resigned. He says promises given him were broken
85 tk1244 : Funny that they wanted to get rid of Izair Airbus planes few years ago, now adding A320s themselves after a large A320NEO order...
86 HB-IWC : It seems that the first of three ex Gulf Air A332s has been delivered to TK. TC-JNV is in IST now and I wonder whether these 3 aircraft will be used f
87 Turkish777X : It definately is not a new order, it is just related to the selection of engines regarding their 20 older orders. Awesome, so finally the ex Gulf pla
88 Turkish350XWB : I see your point. Maybe this comes from different perceptions of what makes a "big airline". For me, a decent long haul share is essential. And on th
89 Post contains images Steelyman : Then QF is bigger than anyone else, all is long haul to them... I think it's better to use other more objective KPIs, we can argue if ASK, or PAX flo
90 Northstar80 : Agreed. The actual problem with TK is that there is no long term planning. Without proper planning and strategy they end up getting whatever planes t
91 HB-IWC : The newest A333 TC-JNS is now also delivered. That's 2 additional widebodies in the fleet.
92 Turkish777X : TK sending a 777 to Friedrichshafen (Germany) today. Any idea for the reason, must be a nice suprise for the spotters there...
93 Post contains links TK787 : Looks like TK updated the "Investor Relations" page of the website; too bad with the same older content (739ER seating plan still shows Row 14 having
94 LAXintl : DHMI says it will issue the tender for new runway and control tower at SAW by the end of the year and expects construction commence in later half of 2
95 TK105 : Just got back from GDN and WAW with nice memories. While waiting for my WAW connection, I'm surprised to see at least 6 Turks waiting for their flight
96 ASA : Warsaw is hosting the COP19 Climate negotiations of the UNFCC this week. So you visited at the peak of all international visitors from, literally, ar
97 Post contains images Turkish777X : TKs Meridiana A332 has been ferried to Milan. I think it is being returned as it used a 6000ish call sign. Maybe some more knowledgeable friend can co
98 Post contains images ASA : Haha - I have big plans with TK once BOS-IST starts ... so very happy, in fact! I just hope we don't end up with the ex-GF A332s on the DAC route aga
99 Post contains links LAXintl : Association of European Airlines (AEA) will elect TK CEO Temel Kotil as its chairman. Turkish Airlines’ Kotil to be AEA chairman http://atwonline.co
100 ankaraflyjet : Embraer would be an ideal a/c for TK and has a good range. AC is using them on medium haul flights with a dual cabin (business and economy) Business
101 Turkish350XWB : Well you picked up a very special case, that of course uncovers the weakness of my argumentation. What i wanted to say is that by having a decent lon
102 Turkish777X : It's delivered and during its first scheduled service it diverted to India.
103 Post contains links TK787 : As expected, TK asking TAV to build more gates at IST. http://www.airkule.com/haber/THY-DEN-TERMINAL-BUYUTME-TALEBI/15932 Let's see how many more gate
104 Turkish777X : When running a dummy booking TK shows that the new 333 has 28 business class seats. The plane is in MLE right now So after all those years of growth t
105 Post contains links and images flightsimboy : Turkish seems to be doing well in Pakistan, with KHI going daily from Dec 23. http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/24/tk-pakistan-nov13/ Would there be an
106 OA260 : PIA's mess is everyones else's gain especially the Gulf carriers but TK does have the chance to claw some traffic away from the likes of EK.
107 LAXintl : It was mentioned at the investors event last week, there could be as many as new 21 boarding gates possible at IST if they build a full new concourse
108 TK787 : Thanks, If they were to build those 8 adjacent to the lately added gates toward the Cargo areas, there will be no room left for a Cargo area. Since t
109 Post contains links Northstar80 : Apparently today two TK planes took off simultaneously from 35L and 35R, one of them misunderstood the ATC instruction. http://sozcu.com.tr/2013/gunun
110 Steelyman : Have you ever been on a SQ 777's with 70++ C/CL? What's the experience of business on that? You're just one more out of 70... 28, and airlines which
111 MeCe : There is some construction work just opposite of new TK cargo terminal, I am not sure it may be new cargo terminal. Some time ago talks between TK,TA
112 ankaraflyjet : Rumours say LH is getting quite mad with TK's increasing presence in Europe and North American market and blaming TK for stealing pax. In fact it is L
113 TK105 : I don't think LH can dare to go that far. Cause this may lead to end of XQ, i.e. presence of LH in booming Turkish Market. Moreover without a new par
114 ankaraflyjet : LH & OS terminating codeshare on TK flights from the end of winter timetable so that says something. LH found out that TK is no LX (SR), OS, BD, S
115 TK105 : This will be good. Competition is always good. Perhaps this can encourage TK to schedule more flights from ESB and ADB to Europe, something we have b
116 emrecan : I guess, instead of ESB or ADB TK might push SAW for expansion..
117 ankaraflyjet : TK is already doing an expansian at SAW they just announced daily Brussels and Berlin from S14. I think we will see LH at Adana and Antalya and OS ba
118 Turkish777X : VT JEM back into service following a bird strike 5 days ago. Quite impressive how much damage a bird strike can cause. It pretty much really badly aff
119 Post contains images Tupolev160 : I think things are not looking so bright for TK after having been caught in the claws of Lufthansa...Wingo might have his feathers ripped-of...just k
120 TK787 : I hear the OR-GI airport to open up next spring. Very exciting news? It looks almost finished. Anyone hear anything further about a possible future Ri
121 Post contains links 777ER : Turkish Aviation December 2013 (by 777ER Nov 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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