Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Turkish Aviation November 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14872 times:

Happy November, Happy Halloween folks;


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mehmet Mustafa Celik - SpotTR



Let's continue things from where we left off;

-There were questions about when/if TK to fly to HAV, MEX, CCS, MIA....others
-TK Cargo Ops, how are things?
-TK IST-TLV demand and performance
-New Bilateral with Canada allows TK to fly 9 x weekly to Canada? Montreal?
-AC to start flying Toronto-Istanbul daily in June 2014
-Heavy discussions about TK to Sydney non-stop
-TK to Tokyo goes 2 x daily
-New Istanbul airport to be designed by a Norwegian firm, opening 2019?
-Rumors about TK flying to SEA nonstop
-TK looking to lease more 330/340s while still looking to buy more planes to enter the fleet by 2020-2023
-Heated debates about Ankara not getting enough international flights from TK or other big carriers
-Now the latest batch of A333s to join TK fleet, can we expect to see Comfort Class on 333/77W? Or, is Comfort on its way out?
-SAW is getting a second runway and TK has plans to base up to 100 planes there.
-TK is moving 5 A320s from AJet to TK?
-Onur air is looking for more 320/321 to lease?
-And great news...abducted TK pilots in Beirut finally back home  

and others....

I can't wait to get my Herpa Wings 1:500 scale model of TK 332F.

Please join us with your news, photos, views, rumors, rant and good old sense of humor.
Just a friendly reminder, Please refrain from personal attacks and political innuendos.
Thank you and Welcome,
TK787

121 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14703 times:

The first A333 of the new batch, TC-JNS (c/n 1458), should deliver any moment now, with TC-JNT (c/n 1476) still in line for delivery this year. Also, the 3 former Gulf Air A332 frames, to be registered TC-JNU/V/Y, should come up for delivery.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

Look for new and final Kobe commercial soon (unless they extend his agreement). Just finished shooting this week here in LA.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14585 times:

Thanks for the new thread!

I am still hoping for more international connectivity at secondary Turkish airports. Look at France, where in addition to Paris, Nice, Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Marseille all have good connections (even transatlantic). Look at the UK, where Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow are all well connected. Or see Poland even, where Krakow, Katowice etc all are connected internationally. Here, other than Istanbul, all cities are suffering, thanks to TK's policy of a single hub.


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14535 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):

A photo of TC-JNS during normaly is last flight test !




And also i ha post this comment in last topic but it's close now :


Hello , i have read in french web site that TK thinking of opening a second daily flight between IST and TLS, do you have any information about that ?
Many thanks in advance !


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):
I am still hoping for more international connectivity at secondary Turkish airports. Look at France, where in addition to Paris, Nice, Lyon, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Marseille all have good connections (even transatlantic). Look at the UK, where Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow are all well connected. Or see Poland even, where Krakow, Katowice etc all are connected internationally. Here, other than Istanbul, all cities are suffering, thanks to TK's policy of a single hub.

You cannot compare the economics and purchase power of Turkey with those of France or the UK. You better look at countries like Russia, Brazil or Mexico... which are the international connections and transatlantic services in other cities except Moscow, Sao Paulo / Rio de Janeiro and Mexico DF?

[Edited 2013-11-01 03:52:10]

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14429 times:

For our meeting at DXB, a colleague of mine will join from AMS. We studied different routing options but surprised to see price of KL. I have difficulty to explain this price, looks like EK is killing KL by A388. There may be lessons for TK to be learned:

EK AMS-DXB Y A388 : 1330 Euro
KL AMS-DXB Y B772 : 425 Euro
TK AMS-IST-DXB Y A321/A333 : 1213 Euro


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14387 times:

Thanks for the nice thread.
How do you think Pegasus will be affected from the heated competition at SAW? TK is flying only international there, and most routes are overlapping, even the departure hours are quite close.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14373 times:

Quoting ptahturan88 (Reply 7):
How do you think Pegasus will be affected from the heated competition at SAW?

Welcome to a.net  
I raised the same question last months thread and LAXintl ( fellow a.net member) suggested Pegasus becoming less dependent on SAW and branching out to other hubs;

"Remember Pegasus said they would likely open a 5th base next summer. Ankara could very well be it after current SAW, ADB, AYT and ADA bases."

And for some of us living on the Asian side close to SAW, in the years ahead when the new airport opens up, SAW could become our home airport. If there were to be a JFK-SAW flight in the future, I will have no need to go to the bigger airport in Istanbul. Recently, I have been looking at JFK-IST one-stop and KL partnering with Pegasus comes up as the best fare and option with JFK-AMS on KL, and AMS-SAW on Pegasus.


User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 131 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

I flew TK012 from NYC to Istanbul Tuesday. I think timing of this flight is excellent . Business and comfort class were full maybe few seats were available in Y. I am not impressed with the J cabin of 777 (with no wifi) , I think A 333 has a better J class . Maybe because of timing neither the dinner nor the breakfast were not even average . İt really seems that cooks (there were two) were really hard working since most services performed by them .

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14247 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 9):
I flew TK012 from NYC to Istanbul Tuesday.

I agree. Most people are tired and want to sleep and there is the food service. Everyone is a bit grumpy. Recently, I try to omit one of those meals (mostly the second one) and try to sleep.
Next time you are in NY, let me know, maybe we'll get a drink or something.


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14208 times:

Hi back  

I did not think of the code-sharing agreement with KLM. It should def help LF also. Nice. I keep track of flights offered at SAW by Pegasus and THY on different routes, like SAW-Dusseldof, SAW- AMS. I notice that the price difference favors for Pegasus, not surprisingly, yet it's almost negligible. Pegasus managed to post an increase in yields in 2Q13, we'll see how they'll do in the third quarter.


User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14207 times:

I was also thinking of the to-be-implemented price-ceiling on domestic air fares. Ineffective, but still not very good for the sentiment.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14178 times:

As we move into November, I just ran across and analysis that OAG did a frequency and seat capacity forecast extrapolation of busiest airports in the world by 2017, and amazing Istanbul comes in # 3 !

Per OAG the Top-10 forecast airports in 2017 in seat-capacity.

1. Beijing
2. Atlanta
3. Istanbul
4. Dubai
5. Jakarta
6. Los Angeles
7. Haneda
8. Heathrow
9. Singapore
10.Hong Kong

Also looking back 10-years, available seat-capacity at Istanbul Ataturk has grown from under 1.8-million to over 5-million per month.
THY has a 76% market share at IST as of April 2013.


Also OAG forecast the Turkish domestic market will become 6th largest domestic air market in the world, with about 54% of the market being served by LCCs. (today LCCs are 43% of domestic seats in Turkey)

For reference the largest forecast domestic air markets.
1. USA
2. Brazil
3. China
4. India
5. Indonesia
6. Turkey
7. Mexico
8. Philippines
9. Japan
10.Spain



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14150 times:

Thanks for a new thread .

TK had wanted to start an extra flight IST-SKG but it has been turned down by the CAA because for the last 4 years an application by A3 for one slot pair has been turned down by its counterparts. Hopefully they can come to an arrangement as both cities mayors/tourism chiefs want to see an increase between the two cities.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14126 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
TK had wanted to start an extra flight IST-SKG but it has been turned down by the CAA because for the last 4 years an application by A3 for one slot pair has been turned down by its counterparts. Hopefully they can come to an arrangement as both cities mayors/tourism chiefs want to see an increase between the two cities.

Too bad the Greek CAA links two unrelated things. A route right to an airport slot issue.

Unfortunately IST slots are very hard to come by. A3 either needs to look at changes in time to less crowded part of the day, or needs to make a deal to acquire someones slots.

Too bad for SKG. I know several communities in Greece have been lobbying strongly for increased air service. For example officials in both Corfu and some other town whose name escapes me in Western Greece met with TK officials this year seeking service.

Politics I guess....



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14108 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):

Its always the same but if A3 wants to serve SKG-ATH then they should be offered whats available even if its not their ideal timings. To solve the issue TK and A3 should look at two flights one each and codeshares on both. Being two Star members its not that hard . Regards the Islands both Pegasus and TK have expressed interest.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13980 times:

I am on TK 9 to LAX in comfort class. I do not know about the J or Y but the comfort class is almost full. I think there are two empty seats. Whenever i am on CC, it is always almost full.

Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

Additionally, reservation systems will not give you a ticket on CC if the connecting onward flight is also not premium economy. They wont combine cc + y. Not in my case anyways. I had this before and this time too. The travel agent bent over backwords to get me a cc+y combination. Imagine the amount of passengers and revenue lost just because of this.

About the flight: afteer the food service the FAs got lost and never came around again. They dont walk around the cabin and they dont enforce the closing of the window blinds. It was like a daytime in the cabin halfway through the flight until i asked the FA twice to tell people to close the blinds.

Food keeps getting worse in CC. Today it was almost like a normal economy meal with fancy plates.

The passport control at IST is crazy (on departure). Not enough police controllers. More than half the booths were empty. I had to wait around 20 minutes in the line on an average friday midday. The line for foreign nationals were even longer, going outside the queueing lanes into the terminal. IST is a circus!



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13967 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

Yes this can happen.

CC has depending on the route has 2 or 3 fare pricing buckets, while economy itself can have many dozen fare buckets. Its quite possible the higher fare Y bucket becomes more expensive then a discount CC buckets.

Same things happens, other places. For example for work we sent and employee to Texas recently, and it was cheaper to book them a F class seat then full fare Y on AA.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Additionally, reservation systems will not give you a ticket on CC if the connecting onward flight is also not premium economy. They wont combine cc + y. Not in my case anyways. I had this before and this time too. The travel agent bent over backwords to get me a cc+y combination. Imagine the amount of passengers and revenue lost just because of this.

This is on purpose to keep customers happy. Too many complained about flying CC and then being stuck in regular economy.

So now its harder to combine CC with non CC segments.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13757 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
Now, the price and buying the ticket is a different story. The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price ??!! No wonder they are not making money.

It is actually not that simple... What if that seat you took was the only one at that price?



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13676 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
busiest airports in the world by 2017, and amazing Istanbul comes in # 3 !

Amazing numbers!!

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 17):
The cc price was actually CHEAPER than economy price

Sometimes it doesn't make sense. In January, I went on a cruise and 6 days out I was able to get a suite-room cheaper than a regular room with a balcony. Doesn't happen all the time, I'll take it when I can.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13572 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Per OAG the Top-10 forecast airports in 2017 in seat-capacity.

1. Beijing
2. Atlanta
3. Istanbul

With the new mega airport planned for the Istanbul market due to be operational in 2017, Turkish Airlines’ intentions are very clear. - See more at: http://www.oag.com/OAG-Blog/Insight-...ks?country=GB#sthash.XjvVk1Yy.dpuf


This seems to me too optimistic. OAG counts new airport operable in 2017, but there is no spesific date about this. An article about this (Turkish only)

http://www.airporthaber.com/kose-yaz...ak--ve-gundemden-satirbaslari.html


User currently offlineLX1800 From Netherlands, joined May 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13345 times:

I saw that in the october 2013 thread OA260 and TK105 asked for more info on which aircraft are fitted with the PTV-new-interior.

737-900 fleet
TC-JYA - TC-JYJ (whole fleet)

737-800 fleet
TC-JHK - TC-JHU (10 aircraft)

A321 fleet
TC-JRM - TC-JSL (23 aircraft)

In addition to that there is one A320 whick is configured with dedicated business class seats but not in the style of the new TK interior. There are also 4 737-700 aircraft (TC-JKJ - TC-JKO) which are configured with dedicated seats but also not in the style of the new TK interior. One of the airbus A321's is configured with a cabin that does not have dedicated business class seats nor PTV's but the seats and cabin are in the same colours as the new TK interior.

Hope this provides some clarity.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Here is the latest fleet listing for TK - current as of October 11th.

Legend is.

Registration - Type - DVS Type - MSN - Seats

TC-JDJ A340-311 340 23 270
TC-JDK A340-312 342 25 270
TC-JDL A340-311 340 57 270
TC-JDM A340-311 340 115 270
TC-JDN A340-313 343 180 270
TC-JIH A340-313 343 270 270
TC-JII A340-313 343 331 270
TC-JNA A330-203 332 697 250
TC-JNB A330-203 332 704 250
TC-JNC A330-203 332 742 250
TC-JND A330-203 332 754 250
TC-JNE A330-203 332 774 250
TC-JNF A330-203 33Q 463 281
TC-JNG A330-203 33Q 504 281
TC-JNH A330-343 333 1150 289
TC-JNI A330-343 333 1160 289
TC-JNJ A330-343 333 1170 289
TC-JNK A330-343 333 1172 289
TC-JNL A330-343 333 1204 289
TC-JNM A330-343 333 1212 289
TC-JNN A330-343 333 1228 289
TC-JNO A330-343 333 1298 289
TC-JNP A330-343 333 1307 289
TC-JNR A330-343 333 1311 289
TC-JDO A330-243F 33X 1004 Freighter
TC-JDP A330-243F 33X 1092 Freighter
TC-JDR A330-243F 33X 1344 Freighter
TC-JDS A330-243F 33X 1418 Freighter
TC-JCI A330-243F 33X 1442 Freighter
TC-JCT A310-304F 31Y 502 Freighter
TC-JCY A310-304F 31Y 478 Freighter
TC-JCZ A310-304F 31Y 480 Freighter
TC-JLM A319-132 319 2738 132
TC-JLN A319-132 319 2739 132
TC-JLO A319-132 315 2631 132
TC-JLP A319-132 315 2655 132
TC-JLR A319-132 31D 3142 138
TC-JLS A319-132 316 4629 132
TC-JLT A319-132 316 4665 132
TC-JLU A319-132 316 4695 132
TC-JLV A319-132 316 4755 132
TC-JLY A319-132 316 4774 132
TC-JLZ A319-132 316 4790 132
TC-JUA A319-132 31E 2404 132
TC-JUB A319-132 31E 2414 132
TC-JUD A319-132 31E 2452 132
TC-JLJ A320-232 32L 1856 162
TC-JLK A320-232 32L 1909 162
TC-JLL A320-232 32E 1996 167
TC-JPA A320-232 320 2609 159
TC-JPB A320-232 320 2626 159
TC-JPC A320-232 320 2928 159
TC-JPD A320-232 320 2934 159
TC-JPE A320-232 320 2941 159
TC-JPF A320-232 320 2984 159
TC-JPG A320-232 320 3010 159
TC-JPH A320-232 320 3185 159
TC-JPI A320-232 320 3208 159
TC-JPJ A320-232 320 3239 159
TC-JPK A320-232 320 3257 159
TC-JPL A320-232 320 3303 159
TC-JPM A320-232 320 3341 159
TC-JPN A320-232 320 3558 159
TC-JPO A320-232 320 3567 159
TC-JPP A320-232 320 3603 159
TC-JPR A320-232 320 3654 159
TC-JPS A320-232 320 3718 159
TC-JPT A320-232 320 3719 159
TC-JPU A320-214 32C 3896 150
TC-JPV A320-214 32C 3931 150
TC-JPY A320-214 32C 3949 150
TC-JAI A320-232 32G 3259 150
TC-JBI A320-232 32G 3308 150
TC-JUE A320-232 B32 2156 180
TC-JUF A320-232 B32 2164 180
TC-JUG A320-232 B32 2395 180
TC-JUI A320-232 B32 2401 180
TC-JUJ A320-232 32D 2522 150
TC-JUK A320-232 B32 2602 180
TC-JRA A321-231 321 2823 194
TC-JRB A321-231 321 2868 194
TC-JRC A321-231 321 2999 194
TC-JRD A321-231 321 3015 194
TC-JRE A321-231 321 3126 194
TC-JRF A321-231 321 3207 194
TC-JRG A321-231 321 3283 194
TC-JRH A321-231 321 3350 194
TC-JRI A321-231 321 3405 194
TC-JRJ A321-231 321 3429 194
TC-JRK A321-231 321 3525 194
TC-JRL A321-231 321 3539 194
TC-JRM A321-231 32R 4643 180
TC-JRN A321-231 32R 4654 180
TC-JRO A321-231 32R 4682 180
TC-JRP A321-231 32R 4698 180
TC-JRR A321-231 32R 4706 180
TC-JRS A321-231 32R 4761 180
TC-JRT A321-231 32R 4779 180
TC-JRU A321-231 32R 4788 180
TC-JRV A321-231 32R 5077 180
TC-JRY A321-231 32R 5083 180
TC-JRZ A321-231 32R 5118 180
TC-JSA A321-231 32R 5154 180
TC-JSB A321-231 32R 5205 180
TC-JSC A321-231 32R 5254 180
TC-JSD A321-231 32R 5388 180
TC-JSE A321-231 32R 5450 180
TC-JSF A321-231 32R 5465 180
TC-JSG A321-231 32R 5490 180
TC-JSH A321-231 32R 5546 180
TC-JSI A321-231 32R 5584 180
TC-JSJ A321-231 32R 5633 180
TC-JSK A321-231 32R 5663 180
TC-JSL A321-231 32R 5667 180
TC-JSM A321-231 32R 5689 180
TC-JMH A321-232 32N 3637 178
TC-JMI A321-232 32N 3673 178
TC-JMJ A321-232 32N 3688 178
TC-JMK A321-232 32N 3738 178
TC-JML A321-231 32J 3382 194
TC-JFH B737-800W 738 29770 165
TC-JFI B737-800W 738 29771 165
TC-JFJ B737-800W 738 29772 165
TC-JFK B737-800W 738 29773 165
TC-JFN B737-800W 738 29776 165
TC-JFO B737-800W 738 29777 165
TC-JFR B737-800W 738 29779 165
TC-JFT B737-800W 738 29780 165
TC-JFU B737-800W 738 29781 165
TC-JFZ B737-800W 738 29784 165
TC-JGA B737-800W 738 29785 165
TC-JGB B737-800W 738 29786 165
TC-JGC B737-800W 738 29787 165
TC-JGD B737-800W 738 29788 165
TC-JGF B737-800W 738 29790 165
TC-JGG B737-800W 738 34405 165
TC-JGH B737-800W 738 34406 165
TC-JGI B737-800W 738 34407 165
TC-JGJ B737-800W 738 34408 165
TC-JGK B737-800W 738 34409 165
TC-JGL B737-800W 738 34410 165
TC-JGM B737-800W 738 34411 165
TC-JGN B737-800W 738 34412 165
TC-JGO B737-800W 738 34413 165
TC-JGP B737-800W 738 34414 165
TC-JGR B737-800W 738 34415 165
TC-JGS B737-800W 738 34416 165
TC-JGT B737-800W 738 34417 165
TC-JGU B737-800W 738 34418 165
TC-JGV B737-800W 738 34419 165
TC-JGY B737-800WSFP 738 35738 165
TC-JGZ B737-800WSFP 738 35739 165
TC-JHA B737-800WSFP 738 35740 165
TC-JHB B737-800WSFP 738 35741 165
TC-JHC B737-800WSFP 738 35742 165
TC-JHD B737-800WSFP 738 35743 165
TC-JHE B737-800WSFP 738 35744 165
TC-JHF B737-800WSFP 738 35745 165
TC-JHK B737-800WSFP 78D 40975 151
TC-JHL B737-800WSFP 78D 40976 151
TC-JHM B737-800WSFP 78D 40980 151
TC-JHN B737-800WSFP 78D 40981 151
TC-JHO B737-800WSFP 78D 40987 151
TC-JHP B737-800WSFP 78D 42000 151
TC-JHR B737-800WSFP 78D 40989 151
TC-JHS B737-800WSFP 78D 40991 151
TC-JHT B737-800WSFP 78D 42001 151
TC-JHU B737-800WSFP 78D 42002 151
TC-JYA B737-900ER 79B 40973 151
TC-JYB B737-900ER 79B 40974 151
TC-JYC B737-900ER 79B 40977 151
TC-JYD B737-900ER 79B 40978 151
TC-JYE B737-900ER 79B 40979 151
TC-JYF B737-900ER 79B 40982 151
TC-JYG B737-900ER 79B 40983 151
TC-JYH B737-900ER 79B 40984 151
TC-JYI B737-900ER 79B 40985 151
TC-JYJ B737-900ER 79B 40986 151
TC-JKJ B737-700W 73W 34297 124
TC-JKK B737-700W 73W 34298 124
TC-JKN B737-700W 73W 34299 124
TC-JKO B737-700W 73W 34300 124
TC-JJE B777-300ER 77C 40707 337
TC-JJF B777-300ER 77C 40708 337
TC-JJG B777-300ER 77C 40791 337
TC-JJH B777-300ER 77C 40792 337
TC-JJI B777-300ER 77C 40709 337
TC-JJJ B777-300ER 77C 40710 337
TC-JJK B777-300ER 77C 40711 337
TC-JJL B777-300ER 77C 40793 337
TC-JJM B777-300ER 77C 40794 337
TC-JJN B777-300ER 77C 40795 337
TC-JJO B777-300ER 77C 40796 337
TC-JJP B777-300ER 77C 40797 337

=



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Quoting LX1800 (Reply 22):

Thanks a lot much appreciated  


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13439 posts, RR: 100
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13011 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
and amazing Istanbul comes in # 3 !

Per OAG the Top-10 forecast airports in 2017 in seat-capacity.

1. Beijing
2. Atlanta
3. Istanbul
4. Dubai
5. Jakarta
6. Los Angeles
7. Haneda
8. Heathrow
9. Singapore
10.Hong Kong

IMHO, this list requires the new 'mega-IST.' Due to the fleet mix, this is unlikely to happen otherwise. Or does this include SAW? I assume, due to the lack of any New York city airports, it is by airport and not by city.

I agree Heathrow will fall quickly. Not enough growth for too long with strict curfews (someone mitigated by the noise control allowing night landings... but not really).

Ack! My home airport of LAX is plummeting in the ranking!  

Otherwise, a very reasonable listing.

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12902 times:

I read TK cargo will move to from DXB to new DWC.

They will also increase freighter services to Dubai and plan 5x weekly A330F by March.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13018 times:

Hi guys,

What would the connection process be like at IST if I am flying BCN-IST-LAX-IST-ARN all on TK? Will I have to clear customs and enter the country like in the US, or is there just a simple passport/boarding pass check similar to what they have at LHR?



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12982 times:

Similar to London. Follows signs to transit, clear security, and you will be in departure gate area.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12819 times:

This article is under discussion in Turkey for a while now:

http://gulfnews.com/gn-focus/turkey/...next-global-aviation-hub-1.1247630

In short it says that Turkey may not realize its targets for becoming a world hub as Turkey is unstable. Only way for Turkey to become a world hub is to be part of EU as it will stabilize the country.

I'm not in the same opinion. Of course joining EU will help stabilizing Turkey. However Turkey created this market already in this "destabilized" country (as they see it). Even TAV was started during deadliest economical crises of Turkey in early 2000s. So we are used to it.

But in current status, based on customs union agreement and EU bilateral agreements, TK and Pegasus is free to fly any point within EU and transfer passengers. However EU carriers can not fly within Turkey or to 3rd countries. This creates a habitat for our carriers to grow in a protected market while benefiting others. So later the joining EU, better for our national carriers.

Some say that, if we are part of EU, then for example TK can buy out LOT, etc. Come on! What is the benefit of buying LOT or similar carriers. It will only result in loss of money and synergy. We are fine here while benefiting transfer passengers from these countries without limitation and enjoying our protected market.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12651 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 25):
IMHO, this list requires the new 'mega-IST.' Due to the fleet mix, this is unlikely to happen otherwise. Or does this include SAW? I assume, due to the lack of any New York city airports, it is by airport and not by city.

Its single airport, not metro area.

Whether it happens in 2017, 2018, or 2019, I think the trajectory is there. Certainly an Istanbul airport will be up close to the top soon.

IMF even says Turkey's GDP will be in the global Top-10 in the next two decade.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 29):
In short it says that Turkey may not realize its targets for becoming a world hub as Turkey is unstable.

The article seems to think key to growth is TK using location as transit traffic, but the key is really the large home market even with fortuitous geographic location Turkey has.

The ME3 combined have smaller home markets than Turkey does, and today international transits traffic only makes up 23% of TK enplanements. That means 77% of the traffic is built around its home market demand.

Yes there might be economic ups and downs (which Turkey has navigated before), I don't see Turkey anymore unstable then other regions.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12370 times:

DHMI published passenger numbers for Oct13. As expected results for October are very good. Some significant figures are as follows:

- IST Dom +13% and Int +15%
- SAW Dom +20% and Int +31%
- ESB Dom +21%
- ADB Dom +11%
- AYT Dom +12% and Int +7%

All Turkey Dom +17% and Int +11.6%

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
The ME3 combined have smaller home markets than Turkey does, and today international transits traffic only makes up 23% of TK enplanements. That means 77% of the traffic is built around its home market demand.

  


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):

Better make sure what you are talking about. Besides Paris and NCE, all the other airports are pretty useless to take you anywhere outside France or closest surroundings. France is really not an example, Germany is, or Ukranie (for the other side of Europe). France is a highly (if not the most) centralized country in Europe, together with Russia i would say.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12219 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 32):
Better make sure what you are talking about. Besides Paris and NCE, all the other airports are pretty useless to take you anywhere outside France or closest surroundings. France is really not an example, Germany is, or Ukranie (for the other side of Europe). France is a highly (if not the most) centralized country in Europe, together with Russia i would say.

That is true. Even the second french city, Lyons, has not been able to maintain a direct service to NYC.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12163 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 6):
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 32):

Here you come with that attitide again... ESB is linked directly to around 50 points, more than half being in Turkey. LYS is connected to 115 destinations according to their website, only 30 or so being in France. I know what I am talking about, thank you very much.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

And here it is -- Montreal

Starts June 3rd, 2014 - 3x weekly (Tue/Fri/Sun) using A330s.

TK35 IST-YUL 1400-1720
TK36 YUL-IST 2340-1600

=



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12012 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Similar to London. Follows signs to transit, clear security, and you will be in departure gate area.

Thanks!



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11985 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):

And YYZ goes 6 weekly...



Flown 4I 9U AA AB AF AZ BA BD BR CA CU CX EI FR HV JK JP JU KK KL KM LH LX MA ME MS NG OA OK QR OS RJ RO SA SK SQ SR SU
User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 782 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11963 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):

And here it is -- Montreal

Starts June 3rd, 2014 - 3x weekly (Tue/Fri/Sun) using A330s.

TK35 IST-YUL 1400-1720
TK36 YUL-IST 2340-1600
Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 37):
And YYZ goes 6 weekly...

awesome - that's what we have been talking about   

YYZ 6x weekly and YUL 3x weekly - is a good foothold in Canada. Similar to EK and QR combined in terms of seat capacity. I'm pretty sure soon YUL will be upgraded to 77Ws.


User currently offlineek604 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

PK set to wet lease 2 737-800s from XC . Speculated aircraft are TC-TJL and TC-TJJ

User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11777 times:

I remember someone posting a leaked schedule of which routes would be starting by which dates at some point.

Have all of those been fulfilled?

Can anyone pull that up from somewhere again?


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11751 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TK105 (Reply 31):

ESB pax volume for Jan-Oct 2013 is 9,133,166 so ESB will reach 10,000,000 category for the first time this year end of December and I think ADB will also perform the same as ADB stands of at 8,764,869 pax as of end of October.

In 2014 Turkey will have 5 airports in more than 10,000,000 pax per annum range,

IST, AYT, SAW, ESB, ADB,

Turkey is definitely on the map as an aviation hub with this development, more than TK we should congratulate TAV for providing the infrastructure for this growth, if those modern state of the art terminals were not built, there is noway TK or others would be able to expand as much, we all know how terrible the Turkish airports were before 10 years ago not too long, we were stuck with 50'ies infrastructure, so delayed growht for sure, but better late than never.

Compare old termainl at ESB to the current one that was elected the best airport in Europe in 2008 in its category, the old one was so bad that it was a shame for the entire country as the capitals gateway to the world.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13439 posts, RR: 100
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11668 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TK105 (Reply 29):
So later the joining EU, better for our national carriers.

Agreed. But Turkey also needs to make certain laws more investor friendly. But that transition is so far in the future, it isn't worth worrying about today.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
Whether it happens in 2017, 2018, or 2019, I think the trajectory is there. Certainly an Istanbul airport will be up close to the top soon.

   No doubt the 'mega-IST' will get there. Its just when will the 'mega-IST' open?   

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 41):
In 2014 Turkey will have 5 airports in more than 10,000,000 pax per annum range,

IST, AYT, SAW, ESB, ADB,

What is the status of the 2nd runway at SAW? I've heard nothing but planning studies... IMHO, the 2nd runway at SAW is required to aid TK growth while waiting for the new-IST airport.

I'm amazed at the growth of Turkish aviation. I didn't notice it until it had been underway for years!

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
What is the status of the 2nd runway at SAW?

It was approved - 3500m x 60m and A380 capable. Approx $600mil project along with other airfield improvements including a new control tower (one of the worlds tallest), new ARFF facility, cargo warehouse, expanded fuel farm and additional parking aprons.

With 2nd runway, SAW annual capacity will increase to around 50mil, while there are studies to further terminal expansion which could raise capacity to 70mil.

Completion timeline I saw was for late 2015.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Hello everyone

Is there a newer presentation by TK?
The last one was that of June '13.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl...ations/presentations_june_2013.pdf

Thanks a lot!

Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 40):
I remember someone posting a leaked schedule of which routes would be starting by which dates at some point.

Have all of those been fulfilled?

Can anyone pull that up from somewhere again?


What I found is;

19.11.2013 Mazar-i-Sharif
27.11.2013 Lahore
12.12.2013 Kano - N'Djamena
04.03.2014 Rotterdam
12.05.2014 Boston
03.06.2014 Montreal

[Edited 2013-11-06 23:37:40]

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11524 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 41):
In 2014 Turkey will have 5 airports in more than 10,000,000 pax per annum range

In Europe only Germany has 6 airports with 10M+/annum passenger range (considering that STR will probably pass 10M by end of 2013). All other countries in Europe have 4 or less such airports.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
With 2nd runway, SAW annual capacity will increase to around 50mil, while there are studies to further terminal expansion which could raise capacity to 70mil.

If I were owner of Pegasus, I would consider having my own terminal in place of old terminal buildings at SAW. This investment will provide a lot of prestige and cost a fraction of the fleet Pegasus has on order.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
What is the status of the 2nd runway at SAW?

Here is an illustration of the future SAW.
Do I see a new terminal and runway built over the highway?
http://www.arup.com/~/media/Images/P...kçen_900x600.ashx?mh=800&mw=1000


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11362 times:

Does anyone have a guess regarding the percentage of TK's arriving passengers from North America that connect beyond IST?

And, of the total TK arriving passengers from North America that connect at IST, what are the rough percentages that connect to the following regions?:
Turkey (domestic)
Eastern Europe
Middle East
Central Asia
South Asia
Africa
East Asia


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 46):

Do you know from when this illustration is?? I think its not very accurate, I dont think HABOM will be demolished shortly befor its completition  


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11331 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 46):
Do I see a new terminal and runway built over the highway?

I do not know about the terminal but there is certainly a motorway tunnel under the new run way since my company contributed to the traffic design of this tunnel (we also happened to provide traffic systems of airport tunnel under DXB runway extension, aka Beirut Road Tunnel, back in 2005). This new tunnel is positioned on the existing motorway which connects SAW, TEM Motorway and E-5.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11331 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 47):
Does anyone have a guess regarding the percentage of TK's arriving passengers from North America that connect beyond IST?

Sure see --

Turkish Aviation December 2012 (by TK787 Nov 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I posted data at end of last year for much of the longhaul network.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 48):
Do you know from when this illustration is??

Can't tell from the website, maybe someone else has more info.
Also check out this one;
http://www.arup.com/Projects/ITEP.aspx
and this about HABOM;
http://www.arup.com/Projects/HABOM.aspx

[Edited 2013-11-07 07:34:38]

User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 50):
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 47):
Does anyone have a guess regarding the percentage of TK's arriving passengers from North America that connect beyond IST?

Sure see --

Turkish Aviation December 2012 (by TK787 Nov 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Thank you. And, for the benefit of anyone also interested, here is the data that you posted for TK's North American destinations (of the time period below):

"The posted data is looking back 12-months as of June 2012.
Legend is:
Destination / 12-month load factor % / Percent of IST vs Transfer / Top 5 Intl transfer cities

Chicago / 82% / 47 vs 53% / TLV , BOM , ADD , NBO , IKA
Los Angeles / 77% / 45 vs 53% / IKA , BEY , TLV , BOM , AMM
New York / 78% / 58 vs 41% / TLV , IKA , NBO , BEY , GYD
Toronto/ 83% / 34 vs 66% / IKA , AMM, JED , MHD , CAI
Washington / 74% / 39 vs 61% / BOM , DEL , IKA , ADD , DAC"

The non-transfer traffic is higher than I would have guessed (34%-58%). It is interesting that IKA made the top 5 of each list. So, while the composition of the top 5 lists vary considerably, a possible conclusion is that prospective future TK destinations in North America need both demand to IST plus some combination of demand to the Middle East/South Asia/East Africa (potentially more so than demand to Eastern Europe, Central/West Africa, and East Asia).


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11059 times:

Brand new A333s for TK keep coming;
cn 1458 TC-JNS should join shortly,
now cn 1476 TC-JNT flying.
Thanks for these awesome photo, a.net member "bycac"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/10730008383


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10812 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I am dreaming of an Embraer fleet for TK based at ESB with both Business Class and economy seats as it is in AC, with inflight entertainment and then start serving from ESB to CDG, LHR, FCO, AMM, CAI etc. This will be filled much easier than a 737 or 320 and can be a good start. If thse planes can fly from YUL to YYC it can do ESB CDG or ESB LHR.

This can gradually improve these routes to upgrade into a larger jet and then new routes can be started off

The initial city pairs I have in mind is (excludes exisitng services to AMS, BRU, MUC, FRA, DUS,VIE, IKA, BGW, Mocsow, Stockholm & Copenhagen);

Ankara-London
Ankara-Paris
Ankara-Rome
Ankara-Praque
Ankara-Budapest
Ankara-Athens
Ankara-Amman
Ankara-Cairo
Ankara-Tel Aviv
Ankara-Tbilisi
Ankara-Milan
Ankara-Zurich
Ankara-Geneva
Ankara-Barcelona
Ankara- Tripoli
Ankara-Beirut
Ankara-Benghazi
Ankara-Almaty
Ankara-Nantes
Ankara-Baku
Ankara-Bishkek


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

I see TK released its 3rd quarters numbers. Good profit - 705mil TRY net (~$345mil USD).

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 52):
The non-transfer traffic is higher than I would have guessed (34%-58%).

Well TK is still mostly a Turkey O&D airline.

Intl-Intl transfer traffic make up only 23% of boardings systemwide.

TK is not yet a Lufthansa which might connect 50-60% of traffic at its home airports.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 52):
It is interesting that IKA made the top 5 of each list.

Yes TK has a few markets like Iran and Israel where it is very strong and largest foreign carrier.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 52):
So, while the composition of the top 5 lists vary considerably, a possible conclusion is that prospective future TK destinations in North America need both demand to IST plus some combination of demand to the Middle East/South Asia/East Africa (potentially more so than demand to Eastern Europe, Central/West Africa, and East Asia).

Yes any new longhaul market has to have some demand to Turkey, and reasonable opportunity to transfer feed.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 54):
This will be filled much easier than a 737 or 320 and can be a good start. If thse planes can fly from YUL to YYC it can do ESB CDG or ESB LHR.

Sure good idea, but it comes down to seat mile cost. While TK seriously looked at the large RJ's (even test flying them to Eastern Turkey), the numbers did not quite work out.
There were lots of ideas to use large RJ both domestically and regionally to places like Balkans, CIS and Middle East but it was felt it was cheaper to stick with single family types (737/32x).

I'm hopefully the fleet plan when the new IST airport opens and slots become less an issue can look at smaller gauge aircraft again.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13439 posts, RR: 100
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10780 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
TK is not yet a Lufthansa which might connect 50-60% of traffic at its home airports.

Not yet.   That will require the new mega IST.    Even then, I expect TK to stay below 50% connecting traffic.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 46):
Here is an illustration of the future SAW.

Nice image.

But what is the current status? Is dirt being moved? Further along?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
Sure good idea, but it comes down to seat mile cost. While TK seriously looked at the large RJ's (even test flying them to Eastern Turkey), the numbers did not quite work out.

TK should avoid RJs as the CASM is too high vs. future ULCC competition. If anything TK should form a LCC division with high density C-series or other aircraft.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
can look at smaller gauge aircraft again.

Better to fly larger gauge with connections. If an airport could not support the new-IST with 3X+/day on a narrow body, it might not be ready for TK. I do not think the Turkish market is so mature that markets couldn't be stimulated beyond the RJ quickly. But this assumes a reasonable increase in connection opportunity.


Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10594 times:

Anyone else watching the Turkish Airlines Open on Golf Channel?
Cute looking tee markers;
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/24/56/51/5433975/3/628x471.jpg


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 57):

Best looking tee markers of the season.
What a finish of the season for Stenson if he wins the Race to Dubai as well!



SQ,MI,MH,CX,KA,CA,CZ,MU,KE,OZ,QF,NZ,FD,JQ,3K,5J,IT,AI,IC,QR,SK,LF,KL,AF,LH,LX,OS,SR,BA,SN,FR,WF,1I,5T,VZ,VX,AC,NW,UA,US,
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 48):
Do you know from when this illustration is?? I think its not very accurate, I dont think HABOM will be demolished shortly befor its completition

I just did a very rough positioning and it looks like there is enough room with HABOM being there.
The current terminal could be turned into a domestic terminal. East of HABOM there is enough room for an International terminal and even more room to grow further South of the future 2nd runway.

What do you think?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5542/10762324313_0fdaa7858c_c.jpg
SAW 2nd runway by TK787, on Flickr


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10430 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
Yes any new longhaul market has to have some demand to Turkey, and reasonable opportunity to transfer feed.

Does anyone know how the IST PDEW for YUL/BOS/IAH (prior to the start of TK at IAH) compares to the IST PDEW of prospective "Americas" destinations such as HAV/MEX/CCS/MIA, etc.?

[Edited 2013-11-09 10:17:04]

[Edited 2013-11-09 10:18:03]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10253 times:

I posted the top US-Turkey O&D pairs earlier in the year.

Turkish Aviation January 2013 (by TK787 Dec 31 2012 in Civil Aviation)

=



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9785 times:

Hi Friends!

Is there any update on TC JDN?

She was not in the air since 27 October.
I hope she is undergoing Tech and will not be written off due to the accident that happened while parking at the gate.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Pegasus is out with its 3rd quarter earnings - 115.3mil TL net profit (~€41.8mil).
Their 9-month 2013 Ebitar reached €169 mil.

In 2013 so far it has carried 12.6mil passengers, up 22% with load factor of 80.6%

12 new routes (6 domestic/6 intl) were launched bringing network total to 76 destinations by October.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineptahturan88 From Turkey, joined Nov 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Hi guys,

I was wondering why Turkish Airlines is focused on increasing its transit passengers (int'l-int'l). I mean yield decreases as the the distance flown increases, right? I know the growth potential is more on the transit passengers, but I was still curious. It might be a very simple and straightforward question, so thanks for bearing with me.


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Hey friends,

just realized that the upcoming two A333s have both a TK livery under the main landing gear à la Emirates.
It is the same as of one of the 777s that they have. I personally really liked it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/10576232776/


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

AGAIN...

TK announcing 2 new destinations in Germany.
Munster and Kassel.

There is almost no city left that TK does not serve in Germany. As far as i know this would bring the number of destinations to 14.

What about Paderborn and Dortmund as the next one's?


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

With the opening of the new airport TK should order 50-100 Embraer 190s to serve all these little cities on a 3daily basis.

User currently onlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

I've read that Onur Air is getting rid of older planes (or just send the ones with upcoming D checks back) With recent developments within the company, what's in the horizon for them? A new base, more international destinations from Istanbul?

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

WTF is happening in Dubai... While EK is going to have 140 A380s and a few hundred other widebody jetz, TK is still struggling in the 30-60 class... This is so demotivating...

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 69):

It is just incredible that 777X to get 259 orders in a single day and 380 to get 50 orders from EK.
I still remember the first 777 flight when I lived in Seattle. Almost 20 years in flight with close to 1500 orders and now this.
Congrats to Boeing and Airbus.
In due time, TK will order the 777X, no worries there.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

Quoting boun (Reply 68):
With recent developments within the company, what's in the horizon for them? A new base, more international destinations from Istanbul?

With a new owner from earlier this year, and now new CEO, I am sure there will be some directional changes.

The new CEO (who just came from Atlasjet) has a preference for more scheduled service, and the LCC model (he started Anadolujet when at TK), so maybe Onur Air will grow its scheduled network and reduce dependence on charters.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 69):
This is so demotivating...

Why would it be demotivating?

TK and EK are two different beast.

EK does not have a choice and must order things like the 777/380. They are limited in geography, bilateral, and home market and must utilize widebodies to link what for them are distant markets.

TK on the other hand can do many things EK cant dream of. Narrowbodies work much better for TK thanks to differences in geography, bilaterals and fact TK has a large home market.

Just look at the previous post about TK having 14 destinations in Germany alone. EK is stuck in Germany and cant add flights, nor destinations. And even if they could it would be low frequency on an expensive widebody.

TK and EK are built differently. TK primary mission will always be serve the large Turkish home market, and secondly serve the transit market. TK can do this with narrowbodies primarily and has 205 on order through the next 7 years.

EK on the other hand has a much smaller home market, and must develop based on the transfer model and is stuck using widebodies to link what is virtually an all medium-longhaul network.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7844 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 67):
With the opening of the new airport TK should order 50-100 Embraer 190s to serve all these little cities on a 3daily basis.

This week I'll be having another tour around north east Europe: ESB-MUC-GDN-WAW-MUC-ESB. Polish side will be all on Embraers which will be my first. By the way, I'm thankful to LH providing nice flight connections from deserted ESB and making possible this business trip a fast 2 day trip.

Compared to TK, LH for sure is business travelers' choice. You can see this once you are on board or visit Senator Lounge. To make the same possible, as you rightly mentioned, TK has to link its hub to all secondary cities in East Europe, Balkans, Russia and Ukraine, with multiple flights a day. However I suppose this may be TK's aim for 2020s once 3rd Airport is ready. TAI's preparation for a regional jet development and production is also inline with this strategy.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 71):
EK does not have a choice and must order things like the 777/380. They are limited in geography, bilateral, and home market and must utilize widebodies to link what for them are distant markets.

TK on the other hand can do many things EK cant dream of. Narrowbodies work much better for TK thanks to differences in geography, bilaterals and fact TK has a large home market.

  


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 70):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 71):

Yes you are right that the business models are different. But it is still questionable if TK will ever catch EK regarding the importance/size in long haul traffic. 140 A380s are not equal to 140 320/737 planes.
To be considered a big player in long haul i suppose that TK should have at least 100 widebodies (like LH, AF, BA). We are far from that. And the opening of the new airport in 2019 is a big question.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7708 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TK105 (Reply 72):

Sure LH is the leading airline at ESB for international premium traffic. It is a pity that TK cannot operate better hours for ESB FRA sector and I think that is also part of TK's policy to make sure they channel as much out of IST as possible. Look at the daily return between ESB IST nowadays we have now even a 777 added to 330 and 340 so the IST ESB sector has a lot of potential and capacity and TK's overall expansion in international markets exISTget a good feed from ESB.

I wish the domestic to international transfer could be easier.

Now that TK deploys a wide body service to ESB why does TK not initiate the international flight from ESB wherever the 777 is going from IST like ESB-IST-JFK and ex ESB pax to do customs at ESB and do not leave the plane at IST, all domestic pax (or other transit pax) exit so this will make the flight very easy for ESB pax. No need to deploy a new a/c just alter the operation according to actua aircraft utlizaiton. Is this so hard to do ???


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 73):
But it is still questionable if TK will ever catch EK regarding the importance/size in long haul traffic.

Why does TK need to "catch" EK?

Maybe EK should instead catch TK with greater number of countries, destinations, and frequencies TK serves.

At the end of the day, they are different airlines, different circumstances, and different policies.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 73):
140 A380s are not equal to 140 320/737 planes.

Exactly it is much easier to fill a 320/737 than a A380/B777X. TK has much diverse fleet strategy than EK's VLA fits all model. TK can deploy right size equipment to any location in the world where as EK has to deploy A380/B777X and depend of local partners to feed.

On top of all this IST is better located than DXB/AUH/DOH. Any improvements in A320/B737 in future bring lot more within the reach of IST.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

Pegasus getting A320s;
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...irst-pair-of-sharkletted-a320-200s


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Sun Express will expand French market with the introduction of ADB - CDG / LYS / NTE routes in S14 :

http://www.sunexpress.com/images/sto...ht%20connections%20summer_2014.pdf



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Hope all is well, sorry I wasn't able to participate lately, but I am always reading what you guys are posting. Excellent stuff

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 71):
Why would it be demotivating?

Hey man been a long time, hope all is well...I am not saying TK is doing a bad job, but when it comes to orders (especially wide bodies) I feel they are always behind. I feel they waited for the current 777 and 330 orders for so long most routes that have the demand right now cannot be launched today. Looking at the data you post(thanks as always) SFO, DTW could be launched now but they are short of equipment.
I also wonder if delivery slots can be booked/reserved with A or B without placing an order, because both 787(maybe too small for TK) and 350 have tons of orders and god knows when you can get one delivered if you place an order now(I know leasing is an option) I am hoping if TK believes the 777X is the right size aircraft for them they can place an order where they can get their deliveries 2 years from EIS.
We all know current airport is a problem but WB orders for the future can be scheduled to arrive after moving to the new airport so that shouldn't stop TK from ordering.



Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7169 times:

TK has firmed options on 5 additional 777-300ERs.

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 79):
I feel they are always behind.

I think one needs to remember Turkey will always be a short/medium haul centered market. There simply is no need for the volume of widebodies. 40% of the globes international traffic is within 4-hours of Istanbul.

A better comparison with fleet composition would be someone like Euro legacy carriers (AF, LH) than EK.
First and foremost folks like AF and LH have large domestic markets, and the bulk of their flying is intra-Europe on narrowbodies.
The ME3 have no choice to have so many larger planes as bulk of their flying is to more distant markets like Europe and Far-East - outside the 4-hour circle TK enjoys.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Yes I see TK situation is much closer to what major European or US airlines experience as they have large home markets, and bulk of traffic density is shorter haul nearby.

The ME3 as pointed out dont have much a choice than to develop majority widebody fleets as even a "short" flight to Europe is 6 hours away.
Top global markets like Asia and Europe are simply outside the envelope to utilize mostly narrowbodies for.

TK is lucky. It can run multiple daily services all around the region, where the ME3 maybe can only come with 1 or 2 flights per day with their widebodies. Plus Turkey has a large home market, unlike the ME3 which must live or die on existence of transfer flows.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 80):
TK has firmed options on 5 additional 777-300ERs.

TK already had 77W additions;
-3 x 2014
-7 x 2015
-6 x 2016
-4 x 2017
This 5 you mention could not be on top of them, right?

About TK vs. EK, or TK vs. LH/AF/BA; I don't think TK is that far behind. In a short 3-4 years TK Long Haul fleet will be around 75 frames and that is just incredible I think.


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Yes firmed 5 additional 77Ws.

http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1120-t...kish-airlines-firms-777-300er-deal

Part of several announcements at Dubai.

In addition TK signed a 15-year MRO agreement with GE for engine maintenance, plus TK purchased various avionics from Rockwell covering 82 aircraft for delivery 2014 onwards.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6975 times:

Well things must be mickey mouse over at Onur Air. The new CEO with less than 2-months on the job has resigned.
He says promises given him were broken and along with work objectives and responsibilities were changed.
So much for the bigger strategic goals Onur's new owners were pursuing....  



Also out of Dubai today, Pegasus formally signed its $4.3Bil deal with CFM to power its 100 A320NEO orders for delivery between 2016 and 2022.

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/cfm-announces-4-3-bn-103634170.html

Part of the deal includes a 20-year maintenance agreement as well.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinetk1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 77):

Funny that they wanted to get rid of Izair Airbus planes few years ago, now adding A320s themselves after a large A320NEO order...



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

It seems that the first of three ex Gulf Air A332s has been delivered to TK. TC-JNV is in IST now and I wonder whether these 3 aircraft will be used for longhaul services or whether they will be uniquely deployed in the medium haul network.

User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 83):

It definately is not a new order, it is just related to the selection of engines regarding their 20 older orders.

Awesome, so finally the ex Gulf planes are beginning to join the fleet. Hope they have been properly refurbished. Where did you see them or where did you get the information from?

We should also see the delivery of their A330 soon, which seems to take longer than expected. Its first flight was in mid October, so maybe an indication that this is an HGW version?


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 75):

Why does TK need to "catch" EK?
Maybe EK should instead catch TK with greater number of countries, destinations, and frequencies TK serves.
At the end of the day, they are different airlines, different circumstances, and different policies.

I see your point. Maybe this comes from different perceptions of what makes a "big airline". For me, a decent long haul share is essential. And on that segment TK is still quite small.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 76):

On top of all this IST is better located than DXB/AUH/DOH.

This for sure. The new airport will be one of the biggest in the world, no doubt about it.

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 79):
but when it comes to orders (especially wide bodies) I feel they are always behind.

I agree. If they ordered on time they would not have to lease the A332s and B77Ws, which is bad for the brand as interiors are different. Maybe planning that growth is much more difficult than planning to keep the airline on track (european airlines that do not grow so fast).

This year IST will have served 51million pax. What is the absolute limit? With the new planes arriving we can expect the growth to be at least 8% and the airport infrastructure is not growing besides the new apron on the former military part.


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 88):
For me, a decent long haul share is essential. And on that segment TK is still quite small.

Then QF is bigger than anyone else, all is long haul to them... I think it's better to use other more objective KPIs, we can argue if ASK, or PAX flown, but long haul share it might be too subjective. Anyway, opinions are opinions...  



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 88):
I agree. If they ordered on time they would not have to lease the A332s and B77Ws, which is bad for the brand as interiors are different. Maybe planning that growth is much more difficult than planning to keep the airline on track (european airlines that do not grow so fast).

Agreed. The actual problem with TK is that there is no long term planning. Without proper planning and strategy they end up getting whatever planes they can find on the market. What makes other ones special Turkish350XWB, is probably their well planned strategy.

They should have a clear fleet replacement/renewal strategy in order not to go through this again in the future. What makes them prevent ordering A350s or B787s now? They could place an order for future planes and not have to pick up random planes in the future for replacement. All in all, small or big, TK is a great airline.



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

The newest A333 TC-JNS is now also delivered. That's 2 additional widebodies in the fleet.

User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

TK sending a 777 to Friedrichshafen (Germany) today.

Any idea for the reason, must be a nice suprise for the spotters there...


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Looks like TK updated the "Investor Relations" page of the website;
too bad with the same older content (739ER seating plan still shows Row 14 having no leg room).
http://investor.turkishairlines.com/tr
including the Jan-Sep report;
http://investor.turkishairlines.com/...load/sunumlar/sunum_eylul_2013.pdf


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

DHMI says it will issue the tender for new runway and control tower at SAW by the end of the year and expects construction commence in later half of 2014.
With the expansion SAW will be capable of eventually handling 50 million annual passengers.

With 24% growth rate so far in 2013, the sooner the expansion arrives the better...



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Just got back from GDN and WAW with nice memories.

While waiting for my WAW connection, I'm surprised to see at least 6 Turks waiting for their flights at GDN possibly via MUC to Turkey. It is in fact a very small airport with around 30-40 flights a day. Still you see some Turkish people who were possibly businessman.

It is also interesting to see weather conditions at GDN. Because of very low altitude of clouds/fog, it is only possible to see runway just few seconds before touch down. If they were using ESB-DHMI operational standards, GDN had to be closed for flights for a good 6 months.

WAW is much more international than I thought. Not only the city, but also the airport was full of different nationalities. Everywhere in the country you see the midas touch of EU money.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 72):
Polish side will be all on Embraers which will be my first.

Experience on Embraers was surprisingly good. I had 3 flights and I can confidently say that it is a very quiet and comfortable plane. Compared to B737s, this regional jet is like a library, very silent! But more surprisingly, it has a very stable flight path: You do not feel much turbulence. Even flying through clouds, it feels like it is parked at the tarmac, no movement at all. This impressively increases the comfort level. I think Embraers would be an excellent addition for TK fleet for short/medium distance operations.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 782 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 95):
WAW is much more international than I thought. Not only the city, but also the airport was full of different nationalities. Everywhere in the country you see the midas touch of EU money.

Warsaw is hosting the COP19 Climate negotiations of the UNFCC this week. So you visited at the peak of all international visitors from, literally, around the world. All UN countries, parties, NGOs, and climate work related business people arguing over getting climate funds and policy right in WAW at the moment.


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

TKs Meridiana A332 has been ferried to Milan. I think it is being returned as it used a 6000ish call sign. Maybe some more knowledgeable friend can confirm. This is the best news of the day I think. ASA should also be happy now 

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 782 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (1 year 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 97):
TKs Meridiana A332 has been ferried to Milan. I think it is being returned as it used a 6000ish call sign. Maybe some more knowledgeable friend can confirm. This is the best news of the day I think. ASA should also be happy now 

Haha - I have big plans with TK once BOS-IST starts ... so very happy, in fact!  

I just hope we don't end up with the ex-GF A332s on the DAC route again ... or at least I hope they'll be renovated to a better standard this time!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 days ago) and read 5490 times:

Association of European Airlines (AEA) will elect TK CEO Temel Kotil as its chairman.

Turkish Airlines’ Kotil to be AEA chairman
http://atwonline.com/finance-amp-dat...ish-airlines-kotil-be-aea-chairman

=



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TK105 (Reply 95):

Embraer would be an ideal a/c for TK and has a good range. AC is using them on medium haul flights with a dual cabin (business and economy) Business on a 2 and 1 Economy on a 2-2 lay out. All seats do have in flight entertainment system and very spacious. It flies from YUL to YVR for instance, 5 hours flight at the most with a strong headwind.

The same cabin layout would be great for TK to commence international operations from ESB. I am sure that plane would easily be filled from ESB for destinations in Europe like London, Pairs, Rome, etc. It can also fly eastwards from ESB to CIS destinations as well as those in the Middle East.

I think that would be an ideal a/c for TK to grow itself from secondary markets.

Another fleet of the same could be deployed at ADB to service Athens, Milan, Barcelona etc to connect Izmir with the other sister cities in the Medtierranean.

This will also help ease some transit through IST that TK can use for international to international segment instead of channeling pax to ESB and ADB from those cities. This will not only be profitable for TK but the economy of ANkara and Izmir will be very much developed to have them connected to the world better. TAV advertisement says for instance Izmir being connected to over 70 destinations is misleading as 90% of it is charter flights, both Ankara and Izmir need scheduled service to main hubs to be bale to compete better on a global scale.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 89):
Then QF is bigger than anyone else, all is long haul to them... I think it's better to use other more objective KPIs, we can argue if ASK, or PAX flown, but long haul share it might be too subjective. Anyway, opinions are opinions...

Well you picked up a very special case, that of course uncovers the weakness of my argumentation. What i wanted to say is that by having a decent long haul network an airline's reputation might increase as well (i do not mean quality of service here).

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 90):
Agreed. The actual problem with TK is that there is no long term planning. Without proper planning and strategy they end up getting whatever planes they can find on the market. What makes other ones special Turkish350XWB, is probably their well planned strategy.

Yes exactly. But the board is being celebrated for growing TK and that another board could do it better (maybe, maybe not i cannot tell) is being faded out. This i do not like.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 91):
The newest A333 TC-JNS is now also delivered. That's 2 additional widebodies in the fleet.

Is this the plane that made an emergency landing in Kolkata on its way to KTM?

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 100):

I like this plan.


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 days ago) and read 5218 times:

It's delivered and during its first scheduled service it diverted to India.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

As expected, TK asking TAV to build more gates at IST.
http://www.airkule.com/haber/THY-DEN-TERMINAL-BUYUTME-TALEBI/15932
Let's see how many more gates they can extend the terminal towards the cargo areas?


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

When running a dummy booking TK shows that the new 333 has 28 business class seats. The plane is in MLE right now

So after all those years of growth they still stick to 28?! So that means a couple of years ago that just had 14 people or so on average considering they grew 20+ % on average.
I am personally really disappointed. I mean even Kenya airways and Ethiopian have 28 on their new 777. So they are generating the same amount of premium traffic? If so TK management should leave if not then I would like to know why to stick to such a small cabin. We all know there is more potential.

Comments appreciated.


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4850 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Turkish seems to be doing well in Pakistan, with KHI going daily from Dec 23.   

http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/24/tk-pakistan-nov13/

Would there be an upgrade to an Airbus A330 in the future. They were using the A330 on the IST-KHI-DAC route previously.

From next year with YYZ going from 5 to 6 times weekly, it would appear that TK would be able to provide almost daily service from Canada to Pakistan. I've seen some really nice fares being offered as well  


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 105):
Turkish seems to be doing well in Pakistan, with KHI going daily from Dec 23.   

PIA's mess is everyones else's gain especially the Gulf carriers but TK does have the chance to claw some traffic away from the likes of EK.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 103):
Let's see how many more gates they can extend the terminal towards the cargo areas?

It was mentioned at the investors event last week, there could be as many as new 21 boarding gates possible at IST if they build a full new concourse but something like 8 gates was more probable investment.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 107):
but something like 8 gates was more probable investment.

Thanks,
If they were to build those 8 adjacent to the lately added gates toward the Cargo areas, there will be no room left for a Cargo area. Since that is the only area available for terminal expansion, I wonder if there are plans to move Cargo ops to a whole new area??


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Apparently today two TK planes took off simultaneously from 35L and 35R, one of them misunderstood the ATC instruction.

http://sozcu.com.tr/2013/gunun-icind...n-carpismasina-ramak-kaldi-413339/

Do you think this is a dangerous situation? I think overall, ATC managed it well. However, the ATC could ask for the planes to stop when they were both accelerating on the runways, I wonder why ATC let them take off??



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 days ago) and read 4399 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 104):
I am personally really disappointed. I mean even Kenya airways and Ethiopian have 28 on their new 777. So they are generating the same amount of premium traffic? If so TK management should leave if not then I would like to know why to stick to such a small cabin. We all know there is more potential.

Have you ever been on a SQ 777's with 70++ C/CL? What's the experience of business on that? You're just one more out of 70... 28, and airlines which have less than 50 in my opinion target exclusivity...



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 108):
Thanks,If they were to build those 8 adjacent to the lately added gates toward the Cargo areas, there will be no room left for a Cargo area. Since that is the only area available for terminal expansion, I wonder if there are plans to move Cargo ops to a whole new area??

There is some construction work just opposite of new TK cargo terminal, I am not sure it may be new cargo terminal. Some time ago talks between TK,TAV and DHMI may be materialized. As far as remember cargo buildings will be removed another place and new bridges will be build in that area. After realising 3rd airport will not be available before 2019 at best; this investment seems to logical. But new apron area construction is very slow, there are still bunkers waiting to demolish, I cant understand why they do it sooo slowly....


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Rumours say LH is getting quite mad with TK's increasing presence in Europe and North American market and blaming TK for stealing pax.

In fact it is LH who has been stealing TK's pax for so many years due to TK's inability to operate these flights in 80'ies when they shhould have been introduced. 30 years delay in my opnion.

LH should accept the fact and position itself accordingly I guess.

I can see a break up in *A soon !!!


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 112):
I can see a break up in *A soon !!!

I don't think LH can dare to go that far. Cause this may lead to end of XQ, i.e. presence of LH in booming Turkish Market. Moreover without a new partner in Middle East and CIS, there will be a big gap in *A.

Looking at *A++, in the current business case, *A does not help TK either in Americas and even in Europe (other than attracting M&M card holders to use TK alternatively). So overall, this will not hurt TK very much. But I'll be sorry to not to use Senator Lounge at MUC any more.

Anybody can reach statistics of M&S (distribution of card holders in different continents, percentage of increase in card holders and their miles per annum)? This will give us some clue about loyalty of international passengers of TK and possible effect of exit from *A.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 22 hours ago) and read 3937 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

LH & OS terminating codeshare on TK flights from the end of winter timetable so that says something.

LH found out that TK is no LX (SR), OS, BD, SN etc. so they were not able to swallow TK no matter what.

I guess they are scared that TK and new airport at IST will eat them alive....!!! They have a point actually.

See the coming summer timetable, we will see lots of LH or Germanwings expansion in Turkish market.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 9 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 114):
See the coming summer timetable, we will see lots of LH or Germanwings expansion in Turkish market.

This will be good. Competition is always good. Perhaps this can encourage TK to schedule more flights from ESB and ADB to Europe, something we have been crying out for long time.


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 944 posts, RR: 7
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 115):

I guess, instead of ESB or ADB TK might push SAW for expansion..


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting emrecan (Reply 116):

TK is already doing an expansian at SAW they just announced daily Brussels and Berlin from S14.

I think we will see LH at Adana and Antalya and OS back in ESB and ADB and Germanwings in some more cities throughout Turkey. LH is craving for slot at IST so unlikley to get more than what they have, LH will step into SAW is another expectation I have, they will do SAW MUC most likely.

LH may also reinstate Bursa Munich

We will see in the coming days what will happen but I expect a move by LH in Turkey


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

VT JEM back into service following a bird strike 5 days ago. Quite impressive how much damage a bird strike can cause. It pretty much really badly affected their scheduling considering that TC JDN is also still out of rotation.

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 119, posted (12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 34):

I think things are not looking so bright for TK after having been caught in the claws of Lufthansa...Wingo might have his feathers ripped-of...just kidding Big grin Better they reach a compromise.

[Edited 2013-11-30 07:17:34]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 120, posted (12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

I hear the OR-GI airport to open up next spring. Very exciting news? It looks almost finished.
Anyone hear anything further about a possible future Rize airport?
Thanks.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12282 posts, RR: 18
Reply 121, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Turkish Aviation December 2013 (by 777ER Nov 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Turkish Aviation September 2013 posted Sat Aug 31 2013 15:05:04 by TK787
Turkish Aviation August 2013 posted Wed Jul 31 2013 13:39:31 by TK787
Turkish Aviation July 2013 posted Sun Jun 30 2013 14:05:44 by LAXintl
Turkish Aviation June 2013 posted Fri May 31 2013 07:49:35 by Tupolev160
Turkish Aviation May 2013 posted Tue Apr 30 2013 19:37:29 by TK787
Turkish Aviation April 2013 posted Sun Mar 31 2013 11:19:03 by TK787
Turkish Aviation March 2013 posted Thu Feb 28 2013 14:43:20 by TK787
Turkish Aviation February 2013 posted Thu Jan 31 2013 17:34:19 by TK787
Turkish Aviation January 2013 posted Mon Dec 31 2012 12:02:45 by TK787
Turkish Aviation November 2012 posted Wed Oct 31 2012 10:01:19 by TK787