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Air Transat New Service: SEA-Cancun, A310  
User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

New service for Air Transat. Weekly flights will commence from October through April from SEA to Cancun, Maxico, non-stop using A-310 widebody aircraft. I heard AS was beefing up Mexico service with 737-700s and -900s now in the fleet, from Seattle. Well, a new service is something good in the wake of all the trouble in the airline industry lately. Anyone care to comment?

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User currently offlineTOMASKEMPNER From Mexico, joined May 2001, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

I would love to see them at Mexico City.,

There are no non-stop flights between MEX and SEA, something rare, considering all the important companies based in Seatle.

The best connection is MEX-SFO-SEA with UA, but still not good.

SEA-CUN great for tourists.

User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Not bloody likely. Air Transat just had a quarter of a million dollar fine for poor maintanence practices, and have been forced to shut down many of their tourism related businesses, causing thousands of layoffs and a major stock plunge. I think the only thing they will be investing in is a bankruptcy lawyer.

On a side note, the Cabotage laws prevent a canadian airline from running a service that originates in a different country, so I don't think they will be starting a route from SEA, especially when their hub is Montreal.

Lastly, Transat uses 757 and 1011s. With all of the recently mothballed 1011s from Delta, why would they invest in breand new 737s?

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.


Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlinePalebird From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

AT flies A310 and A330 aircraft as well as the 1011

User currently offlinePinsent From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Doesn't Transat lease 737's from Virgin? The past 2-3 winters I remember seing a Virgin 737 with Transat painted on it here in Halifax.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Air Transat SEA-MEX? Are they setting up a base in US as well?

User currently offlineAirtransam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

What they r trying to do is focus on a market that does not know about their reputation. Air Transit in Canada has recently been addressed as the worlds worst airline with dirty maintenance practices. Ever Since there near disaster flt in the middle of the atlantic bookings and shares have dropped to the ultimate low. The FAA and Transport Canada will never grant this small charter the licence for that. Recently Air Transat has been slapped with a quarter million dollar fine from Transport Canada for dirty maintenance practices. They tried fitting parts from different acft to different acft to cut costs. In the last 2 yrs its reported that this small charter which only has about 20 acft in its fleet (mostly consists of the ageing L-1011) had 7 safty violations that they were caught with. In addition the lucky to be-alive passengers from that ill fainted flt r now suing for 50million dollars thats fifty million dollar lawsuit. So I don't really think that anyone will take this outfit real seriously. Air Transit needs to clean up its act.

User currently offlineChrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

AS is Alaskan NOT Air Transat. Canadian airlines are not allowed to operate routes that originate in another country.

User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

I hope Air Transat prevails, I have flown with them before and find them to be quite good, shaky in some parts, but generally and overall, a good airline. I wish good luck to all of its employees and the airline itself!

From Canada,

PS. Is anyone else getting tired of hearing about how certain forum members hate this airline, not to mention any names, but I am generally tired of hearing it. If you had a bad experience than I am sorry, but get over it for gosh sakes!

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Chrisa330, yes they are. It is called Fifth Freedom rights.

Air Transat's Seattle-Cancun route was announced before the terroirsts attacks (about a week before), so if it will happen or not is unknown. They were also planning Portland-Cancun. In the past, they have flown Buffalo-Punta Cana among other routes.

User currently offlineAF002 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 74 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

SkyService_330, I totally agree.
I'm tired too of the always complaining users that follow the media's trend of bashing an airline already in a bad situation, specially when those users probably never flown a single flight on that carrier.
I flew TS enough to say that's overall, except the cramped pitch (I'm 6'7"), it's nearly as good as a national carrier (i.e a good TS flight can be vastly superior to a poor AC one). And if Club Transat is available, you'll have more room than the majors for the same price  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Never heard of that Portland-Cancun route...That wasn't even rumored. Unless they were planning on suprising us, I'm sure we would have heard some rumors.

Fith freedom rights apply to non-US carriers flying intra-US routes. (Eg. BA PHX-SAN last year)

User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

I heard that breathing Mexico City's air for one day is does the same damage as smoking two packs of ciggaretes. Is that true? If so, that is not the sort of place I'd like to spend my holidays.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

There is a loophole (intentional or not) in the US-Canada bilateral that allows Canadian carriers to bid on US-Mexico (for instance) charter series. Also Vice-versa. This is nothing new & has gone on for years.

Canada 3000 has operated numerous charter programs (For Apple Vacations & other) out of ORD, CVG, BUF & others to Mexico & the Caribbean.

Similarly, ATA operated a YYZ-ATH charter series a few years ago with 752's via SNN.

If nothing else, SEA customers will enjoy hot meals on the TS flights to CUN. A novelty for many Americans.

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Isn't the term "fifth freedom rights" used on international flights too (ie not in USA) ie Saudi Arabian Air has 5th freedom rights to serve passengers between CDG and FCO on their CDG-FCO-Riyadh flight.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Yes, there are many examples of 5FR. although perhaps relatively fewer in the US than elsewhere.

Some examples include:
YYZ-JFK on EL AL (hardly convenient with all the security).
YYZ-JFK on PIA (I don't think so!)
Honolulu-Sydney/Melbourne on Air Canada.
YYZ-Havana on LACSA.
NW/UA have huge 5FR authority out of NRT to elsewhere in Asia.

There are many others....

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Yes, it is absolutely true... Portland too.

Air Transat quietly announced flights from SEA-Cancun and from PDX-Cancun. The story was printed in local media... The fact that each is just a weekly flight probably explains why it wasn't well known.

Here's an article with the news...

But as so much has changed in last two weeks, I'm sure these routes are up for reevaluation :-(

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Could you please Shutup about Air Transat!!

Its not the world's worst airline, and you may have a personal problem with it, that's fine. But I dont want to hear how you come with some bullshit statement saying "Air Transat was noted as the world's worst airline" because it really is not.

There are so many worse carriers out there......and yes the health of Air Transat is very much important to the Canadian economy..


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

I stand corrected...thanks for pointing that out! Now...if I'll be able to shoot it there...I don't know.

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