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Australian Aviation Thread #81  
User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2158 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20813 times:

Last thread was at 211 posts so welcome to Australian Aviation #81.

In Australian Aviation Thread # 80 we discussed:

* Qantas A330 deliveries and configuration
* Qantas 767 seat pitch
* Jetstar 787 VH-VKA flights and
* Future Jetstar basing - Japan?
* Qantas fleet numbers now and historical
* Scoot to Perth
* Virgin Australia Embraer stops in Portugal and Greece
* When will the A380 get to Perth?
* Qantas aircraft utilisation
* Can Jetconnect operate long ETOPS flights on behalf of Qantas where they are not permitted by CASA?
* QF52, QF8 delays,
* Etihad flyover for Opera House 40th
* Who would fly to Tamworth Wellcamp?
* Busy ROK with military exercises
* Air India 787 goes tech in Sydney
* UA N182UA blows its tyres
* New Qantas Aboriginal livery revealed - Mendoorwoorrji
* Qantas yields fall
* VA inflight entertainment availability
* Will we see new airlines flying to Australia?
* Premium seating trial on the JQ 787
* China Southern A380 begins flights to Sydney
* Sichuan Airlines to start Sydney
* Qantas FF points for QR?
* Perth expansion plans

Remember your safety is our *first* priority...


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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20824 times:

Air India 787 AOG in MEL dues cracked windshield


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20564 times:

Anyone know how Garuda is doing in BNE? I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%. Hopefully this was just a one off?

User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2084 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20206 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
Anyone know how Garuda is doing in BNE? I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%. Hopefully this was just a one off?

I'd say a one-off. Remember this is low season and the route has only been operating since AUG. This month VA have reduced BNE-DPS from 9 to 8 weekly and TG have been subbing a 772 for a 773 over the last few months at a loss of about 100 seats/flight (nothing to do with the AOG a while back- BNE-BKK loads are way down).


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 months 16 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

Speaking of my city BNE Philippines are changing from 320's to 321's for 8-9 weeks from Sunday week.They are brand new aircraft .


tourismman
User currently offlineQF2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 months 15 hours ago) and read 19820 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%.

Is it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??


User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 months 14 hours ago) and read 19755 times:
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Quoting QF2220 (Reply 5):
Is it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??

It is worth it if the flight in the opposite direction is full or close to it  


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 months 13 hours ago) and read 19707 times:

Speaking of Garuda we now have had 15 different aircraft do the route along with 3 new ones in the past week.


tourismman
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 months 11 hours ago) and read 19601 times:

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 5):
s it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??

I would have thought not, especially given VA has a flight ~30mins later and that flight could have easily put those passengers on, or just shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 months 3 hours ago) and read 19195 times:
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Rumour going around that VH-VKA is having engine mount and passenger evacuation.

First commercial flight is still scheduled for November 13th.


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 19150 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):

I don't follow... can you elaborate?


User currently offlineThunderB From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 19145 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):
shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though

GA and any other service needs to be seen as consistent with their product and service reliability. Most times the return flight has the yields that make the return trip worthy anyway...

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User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 19143 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 8):
I would have thought not, especially given VA has a flight ~30mins later and that flight could have easily put those passengers on, or just shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though

Have you thought of the fact perhaps the inbound flight from DPS was full? I've been on a flight on QF back in the day on HNL-SYD where the flight flew in that morning absolutely chockers... and the return had less than 50 people on it!


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 19086 times:
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Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I don't follow... can you elaborate?

Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems.

However first flight is still scheduled for November 13th.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 19030 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 13):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I don't follow... can you elaborate?

Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems.

However first flight is still scheduled for November 13th.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but can you elaborate as what's happened to VH-VKA???

I'm sorry but "Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems." Doesn't cut it or make any sense!

EK8413



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User currently offlineThunderB From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 19011 times:

EK8413

It sounds like their proving flights are not going to their plans due to CASA requirements to ensure all the T's are crossed and I's are dotted.


User currently offlineQF2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 18985 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 6):
It is worth it if the flight in the opposite direction is full or close to it

Very vaild point.... Bit of an oversight on my part!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 18938 times:

Quoting ThunderB (Reply 15):

EK8413

It sounds like their proving flights are not going to their plans due to CASA requirements to ensure all the T's are crossed and I's are dotted.

Cheers, I was somewhat confused trying to workout "engine mount issues, evacuation issues".

EK8413



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 months ago) and read 18910 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
evacuation issues".

I would love CASA to try and knock back the 335 pax seating - its VERY cramped. More seats than the A330 which is a bigger plane with more exits



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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 months ago) and read 18880 times:
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Latest I have heard is that CASA have not given an approval, Too many seats, not enough exits.

This is just rumour, but from a trusted source.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 months ago) and read 18860 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):
Too many seats, not enough exits.

It comes back to the FAA certification. Although originally the 787-8 was designed as a 250 pax a/c. I dont think CASA has the power to challenge the FAA. What was the FAA evacuation certification? CASA just likes being difficult



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18746 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 18):
More seats than the A330 which is a bigger plane with more exits

The 787 and A330 share the same number of exits - 8.

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):
Too many seats, not enough exits

Are you suggesting that Jetstar did not take into account CASA regulations, exit design and limitations when planning their interiors?


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5719 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18679 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 20):
I dont think CASA has the power to challenge the FAA

Of course they do! Any aircraft on the Australian register must be type certified by CASA. This certification is based off the FAA/EASA type certification PLUS any additional requirements CASA MAY impose.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2158 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18069 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):

Latest I have heard is that CASA have not given an approval, Too many seats, not enough exits.

It appears that the rumours are wrong. CASA has approved Jestar's 787.



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User currently offlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 17979 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 21):
Are you suggesting that Jetstar did not take into account CASA regulations, exit design and limitations when planning their interiors?

I'd suggest this come down to CASA allowing Jetstar to add the 787 to its AOC. If there is substance to this rumour it is probably more of a paperwork / training issue , than an FAA certification issue.

[Edited 2013-11-06 20:41:07]

25 Post contains links 777ER : Perth will get NZs first 787 route, followed by Auckland - Tokyo and Auckland - Shanghai.. Cabin configuration will be" 18 lie-flat Business Premier z
26 Post contains links bwwt : Brisbanes second aiport, Archerfield is looking to start passenger services next year, apparently in talks with two airlines. http://www.couriermail.c
27 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I got a good laugh out of this: Sounds like a prime business schedule In all honesty, and I hate to sound cynical, but I'll only believe it when I se
28 EK413 : Sounds as though the 'trusted source' got it wrong... Any idea as to when VH-VKB is scheduled for delivery? EK8413
29 ThunderB : Yes certification of an aircraft is one thing, the second is the proving flight of said aircraft for crew operational purposes. IT can take a few goes
30 Post contains links allrite : Qantas has confirmed the closure of it's Avalon maintenance facility - looking at moving it to elsewhere in Australia (presumably Brisbane) or oversea
31 tullamarine : You'd assume all future 747 heavy maintenance will be done overseas but QF probably wouldn't want to announce that as it is a bad" look. QF's PR was a
32 TruemanQLD : It's so interesting how VA get a free ride in the press but QF get picked up for everything. The figures they provided about AVV (22months down time
33 QFVHOQA : Considering VA/DJ was started by a Brit, it doesn't attract the same national pride that QF has benefited from (been lumbered with?). I see QF lookin
34 mariner : I think you are quite right about the "national pride" but I'm a bit cynical about what it means. "National pride" hasn't stopped Australians flockin
35 RyanairGuru : Exactly, that is - arguably - the strongest counter argument against the "Asian maintenance is inferior" That said, I could quite easily imagine some
36 Post contains images QFVHOQA : I agree that the benefit to QF is negligible or even negative. But the attackes on QF would likely be due to it's longtime government ownership. Peop
38 mariner : I'm sure that's exactly the reason for it. I see commentators and journalists yearning to get back to the good ol' glory days with Qantas flying the
39 BenSandilands : Speaking as a journalist I would like to see a link to any commentary since the turn of the century calling for Qantas to spread the flag all over the
40 Rotation : Going to show my QF ignorance here - but why didn't they do A380 maintenance out of AVV? Hangars not big enough?
41 Post contains links mariner : I'm sure we all see things differently - I can only report what I have seen, from a slight (NZ) remove, both in the media and the social media. I'm s
42 BenSandilands : Mariner, Such comments directed to anyone are to be condemned. I'm deeply sorry that this sort thing continues to happen, and that it has happened to
43 qf2220 : I suspect recognition that as 9 frames of 744 are not going to support AVV, then 12 frames of A380 are not going to be enough either. Im afraid that
44 travelhound : That is one PR take on it. I would suggest even if they were able to keep the Avalon base busy 12 months of the year it would still have a significan
45 vhebb : Let's not forget that QFs domestic competitors don't do any heavy checks in Australia.
46 Post contains images mariner : Thanks, Ben. My opinion of the media is not high, but I have the hide of a rhinoceros and - mostly - it rolls off. It strikes me curious that the fac
47 Post contains links SCL767 : Apparently AR plans to discontinue services to SYD effective 02APR14 due to "operational constraints" associated with the a/c AR deploys on the loss-m
48 EK413 : Interesting,I wonder if QF could operate a SYD-SCL-EZE service during downtime in SCL if timings permits. EK8413
49 NZ107 : Wait, so they're not going to take the SQ A345s either?
50 SCL767 : Unknown. AR plans to phase out 4 A-342s and 2 A-343s in the coming months. Even with the 4 A-330s joining their fleet, the airline will still require
51 QFVHOQA : Very strange news considering AR are supposed to take on the ex-SQ A345s. That would be a more reliable aircraft to operate the EZE-SYD route than th
52 Post contains links SCL767 : According to AR, the carrier is dropping the EZE-SYD route for many reasons including: -The route is unprofitable for AR. -AR will not have an a/c ca
53 Post contains links QFVHOQA : The poor translation offered by Google Chrome also mentioned that approx 45% of pax are connecting to other South American countries. Seems like the
54 EK413 : I suppose your right in saying passengers can connect on LA or 4M. Another option I suppose would be for QF to increase frequency on the SCL route fr
55 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Of course it can be blamed .. It is Qantas we're all talking about
56 qf2220 : Quite a possibility. But are there enough frames in the fleet to let this happen? I guess they can delay a retirement of a 744 for a bit longer. Im s
57 ben175 : Indonesia AirAsia is adding a seasonal 5th daily PER-DPS service between Jan 3 to March 24 2014. Schedule is as follows: QZ8414 DPS 1305 PER 1645 320
58 TruemanQLD : KRudd is in the media today putting his support behind a 'trial' of an 11pm-6am curfew once the new parallel runway opens in 2020. Without getting pol
59 Sydscott : Hopefully not. Once a curfew comes in it'll be damned near impossible to get rid of.
60 Sydscott : I forgot to ask, does anyone have an idea on how JQ is doing on the new Perth-Lombok flights?
61 777ER : I've always wondered why QF had previously a MX facility at both AVV and MEL and MEL closed before AVV. Why not previously just a combined one at MEL
62 travelhound : If they had built the proposed airport at Yatala (between Gold Coast and Brisbane) they could of had 24 hour flights. The proposal (at the time - 2003
63 qf2220 : That is the infrastructure problem in Australia over the past 20 years!
64 ben175 : A friend of mine works as Ground Staff at PER and said the load today was 135. Not too bad. I'd say this service will be sticking around, it will onl
65 EK413 : My personal opinion, QF will need to rethink the retirement of the remaining B744 frames. This is an opportunity they being served on a silver platte
66 koruman : Ben175 I don't think that a single-class A320 can make money on its longest sector with 75% loads.
67 ben175 : I disagree, you have to remember that this service is still very new and JQ is stimulating demand for a market that many West Australians would never
68 qf2220 : It doesnt seem to be hard for them to do this, i think they have done this a few times already as from memory (im sure there is a press release somew
69 mariner : I think it's an encouraging number. It's still early November, scarcely high season yet, and word of mouth will have an effect (positive or negative
70 EK413 : Surely they've gone back to the drawing board otherwise there crazy not to with this announcement. The remaining frames destined for the desert are 3
71 qf2220 : Something tells me they need the -ERs on SCL, but upgrading M and L will let them sub the ERs from other routes onto SCL, so kind of moot point. Cons
72 QFVHOQA : Would QF really consider upgrading -OJM & -OJL? They are '91 builds so must have a short life left in them - hardly worthy or a refurb if they wi
73 qf2220 : I agree, QF wont be back in EZE any time soon. As to the upgrades, depends on if there is enough slack in the fleet now, or if this decisison by AR c
74 Sydscott : I'm pretty sure the only route QF needs the ER's on is DFW. All the rest can be handled by a normal 744 depending on winds. (Where you would have a p
75 Post contains links EK413 : Non -ERs have operated the SYD-SCL route once or twice before therefore I doubt there would be a problem. This was the source but appears the details
76 qf2220 : I have a feeling it has something to do with the southerly distance and length of flight. Though not really sure why it is different to JNB. Are ther
77 qf002 : -OJL/M are both already 22 years old -- I don't see QF pumping $20m+ into refurbishing them for another couple of years service (not to mention the f
78 EK413 : The only other viable solution is reconfigure the youngest in the fleet until a suitable replacement comes online. I understand this is a new market
79 SCL767 : LAN's A343s are only deployed on the SCL-AKL-SYD route. LAN already has 5 787-8s in the fleet with 12 more 787s joining the fleet by 2015, (including
80 EK413 : Wow, when did the 5th B788 sneak into the fleets??? How many A343's in their fleet as my understanding the A343's operating the SCL-MAD-FRA route wou
81 SCL767 : October 10th. LAN hasn't deployed the A343s on the SCL-MAD-FRA route since last July. According to LATAM's fleet plan, 3 A343s will remain in the fle
82 EK413 : Cheers thanks for the update. I take it SCL-MAD-FRA is B763 equipment until they have enough B788's? EK8413
83 SCL767 : The 787-8 is deployed on the SCL-MAD-FRA route daily.
84 QFVHOQA : The other option for QF would be for the 763 retirements to be postponed. The ex-JQ A332s would then free up the QF A332s in International config for
85 EK413 : I remember the plan was put on hold due the on going issues with the B788. Great to hear its gone daily B788's a clear sign the issues are bing irone
86 EK413 : I remember the plan was put on hold due the on going issues with the B788. Great to hear its gone daily B788's a clear sign the issues have been iron
87 QFVHOQA : QF already has a head start with oneworld the strongest alliance in South America. T0 at LIM offers limited connectivity for NZ should they choose to
88 mariner : I've never really understood the attraction of IAH for Air NZ. DEN, yes. but IAH doesn't thrill me. mariner
89 RyanairGuru : Sorry, but that's wrong. AR were never taking A345s, that was an unsubstantiated rumor that somehow gained more traction than it should have done. Th
90 SCL767 : Indeed. Should NZ launch AKL-LIM, AV will have to introduce new frequencies to the Southern Cone or alter the schedule of certain flights via LIM; un
91 Post contains links and images EK413 : The original discussion provided images of 9V-SGA being ferried and delivered. 'Aerolineas Argentinas to acquire all five former Singapore A340-500s
92 QFVHOQA : DEN would be better for Mountain & Midwestern markets, but IAH is better for the South and for Central America. DEN & SFO would also have a f
93 777ER : How much weight penalty did the flight suffer?
94 koruman : Lima is most certainly not the preferred Air NZ port in South America. The market is non-existent. They are more likely to fly long-haul services out
95 Post contains images mariner : But there has to be a reason people want to go there, surely it isn't all about connecting traffic? I was always taught that a good hub is both a cro
96 travelhound : .... for both business and leisure travelers.
97 Post contains links mariner : Of course. There are reasons why DEN is the 5th busiest airport in the US: http://skift.com/2013/04/04/atlantas...tops-list-of-busiest-u-s-airports/
98 Flyingsottsman : I think they would be doing what Qantas did with Dallas Fortworth fly to their partners home base. I should expect that maybe NZ is thinking the same
99 Flyingsottsman : Yes agree with you there Mariner, Denver is a beautiful city been there both summer and winter and a big well layed out airport to, but has DEN lost
100 Flyingsottsman : I think because the hangers at MEL were to small to take a 744. They could take anythink up to 767 size. I could be wrong thow.
101 Post contains links mariner : IAH has taken the big hit: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...est-plan-3596827.php?cmpid=twitter "United set for job cuts after council OKs Hobby
102 RyanairGuru : Mariner, I know that the closest we've ever come to blows was on the IAH/DFW debate, and I will not back down on this. Exactly, DEN is utterly redunda
103 qf2220 : No worries, I stand corrected! It must be more of a convention that the -ERs do the route rather than a requirement.
104 qf2220 : This belongs in the EK/QF tieup threads of course (but these are now closed). One thing that ive been wondering for a while now is what was the reason
105 EK413 : I do not remember reading anywhere regarding weight restrictions. QF have operated the non -ER on the SYD-DFW route too, however I believe the aircra
106 mariner : You don't have to back down - it's a personal preference. DEN is a wonderful place for Kiwis to go, which is - or should be - a good part of what the
107 Post contains images RyanairGuru : BA and QF do codeshare Both SYD/HKG-Australia and Australian domestic connections still have BA codes on them, and are bookable through the BA websit
108 qf2220 : I knew about the Domestic codes but the HKG I had overlooked, thanks for the info. However, the question is still out there around the DXB, SIN and B
109 RyanairGuru : Sorry, I'm still confused. SIN and HKG both have BA codeshares. DXB was never included in the BA/QF JBA, so I'm not surprised it's included as BA and
110 DeltaB717 : That thread has photos of 9V-SGA being ferried all-white to LDE. There was nothing in that thread to substantiate that the aircraft had been acquired
111 QFVHOQA : If you read the rest of my post you would have seen that I was referring to the discussion in the NZ 789 thread. I didn't claim that this was NZ's pr
112 qf2220 : Ok, so I have not been at all as dilligent on flight searches as I should have been, apologies. Changes my next question somewhat. Do you think it wo
113 Post contains images RyanairGuru : That is NOT true. Go to the BA website and try booking a flight from BNE or MEL to LHR. You will be offered your choice of CX and QF flights, most li
114 RyanairGuru : I didn't say that you had to like it. I'm sure it is, but that doesn't mean that it would necessarily be a profitable route. And even if it broke-eve
115 EK413 : I'm well aware of this and thanks for pointing it out to me. When I checked the source the details had been removed & this was roughly around the
116 qf2220 : They would get the codeshare commission and (depending on the basis between the price they sell it for and the amount they have to pay QF, they could
117 Mikey86 : Hey all, Just noticed that VA International may be having issues. They cancelled the VA8 LAX-BNE on 13NOV. Has a 777 gone tech? Cheers, Mike
118 QF744ER : QF 77/78 PER-SIN has reverted back to an Intl A332 since the 1st November. Since the QF/EK tie up these flights have been struggling load wise.
119 ben175 : Not surprising, seeing as many people would take 3K on this sector rather than fork out extra cash for a 5 hour flight. It's a different story if you
120 qf2220 : Could a short hop tag flight from SIN to a place (say Vietnam or Manila, proabably no further though) that connects with the SYD/MEL/BNE arrivals hel
121 RyanairGuru : Hong Kong I imagine. After that, I imagine a city in PRC must be up there? I'll doubt that it will go away altogether, but I wouldn't fall over with
122 tullamarine : No wonder SQ are almost seen as a defacto Australian carrier. From cities other than MEL and SYD, it offers better connections than QF. I know there
123 QF744ER : QF used to operate B738's PER-DPS-SIN, there are photos in the DB. After my post last night I see -QPJ is down to operate QF77 to SIN today.
124 QFVHOQA : Now that QF has earlier arrivals into SIN from AU, they may be able to re-start an India flight with better timings than the old SIN-BOM offered. A t
125 qf2220 : In the absence of the reinstatement of the direct flight, could be interesting as a tag on. A theoretical schedule could be: PER-SIN 0805 - 1325 (adv
126 qf2220 : I like the idea. With the EK tieup, who knows, QF could do an overnight flight for EK (like VA does for EY to KUL(?)) There are a few A380 options th
127 vhebb : PER-SIN-PER will be operated with a mix of A333/A332s. Mainly because all 4 intl A332s pass through PER on a daily basis making rotations easier. You
128 QFVHOQA : Your option works with timings, as it looks like the aircraft that operates QF78 then overnights in PER before leaving for MEL/SYD early the next mor
129 Post contains images JQflightie : I believe we used to fly a B767 on the SIN-HKG-SIN sector, up until quiet recent times. Although I like the idea of a PER-SIN-HKG, it wouldn't work w
130 TruemanQLD : The arriving flight on Sunday was delayed significantly (~14 hours) so the departing flight to LAX didn't leave BNE until 2am (rather than 11am the d
131 qf2220 : When was the last flight on this route? I have read that it was with a 767 and that BKK was also part of a triangle route? I think it would use 1x A3
132 Post contains links QFVHOQA : According to a thread from last year 1980s/early 90s Qantas 767 Routes , QF used to fly: Not sure when it ended, possibly when SARS slashed a lot of
133 qf2220 : Exact thread i was looking for, thanks!
134 tullamarine : Hard to see this being particularly attractive given you can fly direct to HKG with CX at this time and do it 2 hours quicker. If QF want to attract
135 gemuser : They most certainly do. However I'm not sure of the frequencies allowable. It's also possible that the flights have to go on to Europe, not sure abou
136 qf2220 : Fully agree with your points, though as a purely theoretical excercise it is interesting to consider. If QF was able to change (ie lower) its FF earn
137 Post contains images JQflightie : I forgot about the BKK tag, I think it was know as 'Around the rice bowl' And to tell you the truth, I am also under the impression that AO used to o
138 JQflightie : After some investigating, AO had DPS-SIN-BKI
139 QFVHOQA : QF already has a poor earn on some CX flights, with discount Y often earning no points. Not as poor as the earn for MH or QR though. A hypothetical Q
140 IndianicWorld : Given that SQ are more centrally located, and QF operate in a location that offers none of these benefits, trying to compare the situation of both ca
141 aerokiwi : Australian Aviation (the magazine) used to advocate A340s for continental Europe flights for QF all the time in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Admit
142 qf2220 : How can it be without a domestic network.....
143 Post contains links AeroplaneFreak : Here is my trip report from Jetstar's inaugural Boeing 787 Dreamliner service... http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=9612
144 EK413 : Great report. Was there any mention of those Premuim Y/C seats the crew mentioned at the open day in SYD? EK8413
145 AyostoLeon : The treaty between India and Australia specifies for the designated airlines of Australia points in India, Intermediate Points, Points in Australia a
146 tullamarine : Qantas was considered the Australian carrier in the 60's, '70s and '80s and it had no domestic network.
147 QFVHOQA : It doesn't need one - previously it had TT, and now has VA. That is very interesting. Much of the focus of the QF/EK agreement was that EK could use
148 DeltaB717 : Extensive codesharing with VA...
149 Post contains images mariner : I have no idea what you mean by that last sentence. If the core market isn't Kiwis then I don't know what the airline is. I recall that a number peop
150 qf2220 : The Australian carrier, or an Australian carrier (with Anset and TAA) With respect, QF is not a middle east carrier because it has extensive codeshar
151 Post contains links allrite : Qantas has unveiled an Ashes cricket themed 737. Sorry, the photo is a bit large to share here without making a copy of it.
152 QFVHOQA : True, but in those cases QF doesn't have an equity investment in EK or AA. SQ (via Temasek) has a common owner with TT, and has a direct stake in VA.
153 Post contains links allrite : Virgin Australia is raising $350m in capital. From the article:
154 qf2220 : I would put it that this makes VA more Singaporean than SQ Australian
155 QFVHOQA : It certainly does. But I don't think the original intent was to describe SQ as an Australian-owned carrier, rather that SQ is a de facto Australian c
156 tullamarine : Correct. What I meant in my original statement was that Australians, particularly those outside of Melbourne and Sydney, are just as likely to look t
157 eaglefarm4 : BNE was closed for about 20-30 mins around noon today due to Thunderstorms .
158 aryonoco : Very interesting. Does anyone know, once this capital raising is complete, what percentage of VA will EY/NZ/SQ each own? The more and more this goes
159 Post contains images tullamarine : The shareholding of the 3 major shareholders will depend on how many other shareholders choose not to take up their entitlement. The explanatory docu
160 Post contains links and images EK413 : Speaking of SQ any idea why their aircraft operated under the American registry in the 90's? N119KE View Large View MediumPhoto © Daniel Tanner N117K
161 aryonoco : True, I wasn't thinking properly obviously. If I had some spare money I'd buy some VA stock right now, as it's almost certain that shareholders will
162 jetfuel : Think I will take up the offer too but wonder what the buy out price will be when it comes to delisting
163 TruemanQLD : Chaos at BNE tonight, VA flights to AKL and WLG both cancelled due to thunderstorms (diverted to Sydney then crew timed out? only speculating) and man
164 Post contains links mariner : Just as a heads-up - the Air NZ CEO is denying the takeover speculation: http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...94001/Air-NZ-denies-Virgin-rumours "A
165 aryonoco : You can read it as a red flag, or you can read it as him trying to dampen speculation so that the stock doesn't jump up and make the eventual buy out
166 tullamarine : There is no point in VA being listed and it is probably a distraction more than anything else. Taken private, JB will be able to implement his busine
167 Post contains images mariner : But that's exactly what I mean by a red flag - to dampen the speculation. mariner
168 DeltaB717 : Exactly what I was thinking...
169 ZuluAlpha : With all this talk and speculation that VA become delisted on the ASX, would there be much change with management would the CEO be changed to say just
170 BenSandilands : I think the highly likely delisting of VAH in the medium term is seen by its major owners as a consequence rather than an objective. That objective is
171 Post contains links mariner : Others seem to have a more positive view of Virgin's financial prospects than I do. Just today: http://gulfbusiness.com/2013/11/virg...325m-in-rights
172 QFVHOQA : VA does have one key difference from AN - it has started off with a much lower cost base than its main competitor. And even though VA's financial per
173 mariner : That lower cost base doesn't appear to be helping the profit and I think a loss of $98 million is something more than lacklustre. I'm sure that's so,
174 QFVHOQA : Perhaps the lower costs are helping to limit the losses? There were a few one-off costs in FY13 such as Sabre and the acquisition of XR. If it's nece
175 qf002 : They don't need to, unless they intend to use the money to tackle the stock price (which wouldn't surprise me if things don't turn around in the next
176 Post contains images qf2220 : They did just recently buy into VS. This is for an American thread and is 100% tounge in cheek but if they have VS, get into VA, then when will they
177 mariner : Yes, I'm sure. I guess I worded it badly, because I meant Virgin Australia's pursuit of market share is what can be a fool's errand. mariner
178 BenSandilands : qf2220, Continuous disclosure drives the behaviour of listed companies. There may be other reasons too, but I'm unaware of them. If you attend any air
179 qf002 : To the best of my knowledge, QF isn't required to release information to the extent that they do -- VAH certainly doesn't release monthly statements
180 sunrisevalley : Mariner...... is Mr Loxon having to deal with an imminent float of NZ shares and the constant nibbling away at VA in almost the same breath? Is it re
181 BenSandilands : qf002, If you go to the ASX site and search the filings for QAN and VAH you will see that the disclosures made monthly by both companies covers the sa
182 mariner : Sure. Remembering that the sell-off of Air NZ will still leave the Crown as majority shareholder - 51%. I imagine so. And I think the Air NZ investme
183 Post contains images qf002 : Apologies. I did check the ASX announcement listings after I couldn't find anything on their website, but my eye must have skipped over that release.
184 IndianicWorld : I can see why NZ need to invest in VA too, as it is a very strategically important part of their market. NZ alone is certainly not going to sustain t
185 JQflightie : QF1 on finals into PER right now... Should be a good sight!
186 ZuluAlpha : A friend of mine who was booked on the BNE CFS flight with a QF flight number but operated by Brindabella received a phone call advising that QF has p
187 qf2220 : For what reason?
188 Sethor : Medical diversion.
189 eaglefarm4 : REGIONAL airline service Brindabella has taken four planes out of service while it undertakes a "maintenance review". The planes were voluntarily rem
190 vhebb : Wonder if we will now see QantasLink service Brisbane-Tamworth longer term? As well as return services on the Sydney-Moree route which I think they we
191 ZuluAlpha : Thanks EagleFarm
192 grimey : I seen it parked at PER on the radar so I took a drive and watched it take off, really cool to see an A380 here in PER
193 Post contains links and images EK413 : I've noticed aircraft are now being parked on taxiway "Hotel" at SYD during the morning peak time. After doing a search I have come across a revised m
194 tullamarine : Article in today's AFR about Alan Joyce trying to get the federal government to block the capital injection into VA. I think this is doomed to fail as
195 zkokq : And unless the governement is prepared to remove some of the conditions on the Qantas Sales Act, he should be jumping up and down and making it as ha
196 RyanairGuru : I think that's where he should focus his attention. Without making this political, I don't like the Abbott government but definitely recognise that n
197 Post contains links EK413 : I noticed an article from The Australian has gone unnoticed concerning the QF/SA codeshare arrangements which is under review. Looks as though QF is c
198 RyanairGuru : Please tell me this isn't true! I'm sorry, but PER-JNB is a market that QF should serve non-stop if they aren't able to codeshare with SA. While a lo
199 gemuser : Not much, 30 min or so from memory, from the VA JNB threads. Gemuser
200 Post contains images zkokq : Nicew amount of miles earnt
201 mariner : I say they should drop it and let the regulators see what they have achieved. mariner
202 tullamarine : SAA would probably look to VA to see if they were interested in a codeshare on the route before ditching it, in which case QF will have achieved noth
203 mariner : I'm only saying it is the code share that should be ditched - not necessarily serve to SA - and if Virgin Australia wants to jump through those regul
204 EK413 : That makes 2 of us! I don't think QF is about to ditch the JNB route I believe it's more to do with the regulators approving only 12 months opposed t
205 QFVHOQA : I hope this isn't the option chosen. A quick check of flights has SQ at least 2 hours quicker than both EK & QR depending on the day of the week.
206 zkokq : Anyone know the outcome for the PAX (40 year old lady I am told) that stoped breathing on VA65 this morning? The flight diverted into SYD. Hope there
207 6thfreedom : Would make a lot of sense, especially with VA moving ops to the international side of the airport next year. Domestic-International transfer would be
208 vhebb : QF have said the SYD-JNB route is safe even without the SAA codeshare. If QF began PER-JNB it would only be a matter of time before SAA pulled out com
209 tullamarine : Interesting to see that at the same time NZ is potentially further increasing its shareholding in VA, the NZ Gov't are selling down its stake by anoth
210 mariner : I agree, but I think that horse may have bolted because the stable door was left wide open. Virgin Australia is a foreign owned airline allowed (myst
211 tullamarine : No mystery on the domestic front. Foreign controlled companies are allowed to establish Australian based airlines and operate domestically in Austral
212 mariner : I know what the law is - the part I find mysterious is that anyone ever thought the law was a good idea and the best i can come up with is "unintende
213 QFVHOQA : How long has the law been in place? Is it from the days of the Pilot Strike? Or after QF was privatised? Or even post AN collapse?
214 BenSandilands : I've been interrupted regularly today by people quoting back Mr Joyce as to the benefits sovereign owned Emirates will bring to Qantas by taking busin
215 zkokq : And isnt this for the better of everyone? I dont get why the government still thinks the QSA is still promoting "Australia is open for business" and
216 mariner : I don't see Qantas trying to "give away" any domestic service and Virgin Australia has so little (own metal) long haul international service I don't
217 tullamarine : The law was put in place in the mid-90s by the Keating Govt in Australia and as Mariner points out, the Aust gov't played with it right at the end an
218 BenSandilands : Mariner, Don't feel depressed. Repealing the Qantas Sale Act is more likely in the coming year than it has been since Qantas was listed in 1995. Renew
219 mariner : I agree it would, it was the getting to that last para that depressed me, I couldn't work out what you want from Qantas, other than for all the probl
220 tullamarine : Whether Joyce stays or goes, as a shareholder I"d prefer the CEO and the Board to concentrate on returning the business to sustainable profit and ulti
221 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I guess this has already been discussed upthread, but to add my 2c I personally have nothing against foreign ownership at all but if Qantas has to pl
222 BenSandilands : Mariner, Not ticked off at Qantas taking on Virgin Australia domestically at all. We are fortunate to have two high quality professionally run competi
223 mariner : Then I have no idea what this paragraph means, because it is the second of two examples of Qantas being "badly managed": And suggests - to me - that
224 Post contains links mariner : It seems that Mr. Joyce is not the only one unhappy with the Virgin Australia share offer. A bunch of small shareholders are disgruntled, too: http:/
225 BenSandilands : If Alan Joyce's rationale over the last 24 hours is to accelerate the repeal of the Qantas Sale Act I think he will succeed, although whether before o
226 tullamarine : The ASA is fine with the capital raising; they just believe the issue should have been made renouncable so small shareholders could still get value f
227 mariner : There, at last, we agree. The time-honoured Australian concept of a fair go was abandoned by the Australian media long ago. The basis of the complain
228 BenSandilands : Generally speaking, I think the problem with the media is that the players want message control rather than message fairness. I made sure yesterday th
229 Post contains links mariner : Surely, the players want control - they always have. But I have a different view of the modern media. Opinion has replaced reportage - largely due to
230 Post contains links vhebb : QF are running a petition on the ownership matter for those interested: http://fairgo4qantas.nationbuilder.com
231 tullamarine : It is even more salient in this case because one of the major players in the whole cash-for-comment saga where shock-jocks were paid to include posit
232 zkokq : Signed. I hope plenty more people sign it as well
233 koruman : I would support repeal of the Act, subject to the condition that all Qantas' international traffic rights be cancelled and put out to tender against o
234 EK413 : Signed and submitted this afternoon & I hope another 20 million are submitted! EK8413
235 CXfirst : I won't be signing the petition. I'm not pro-QF (nor against QF in any way), but I personally believe a stronger VA, even if it is fuelled from overse
236 Vhqpa : It appears Qantaslink's first two class 717 VH-YQS started revenue service today operating QF1545 BNE-CBR this morning.
237 EK413 : Each to their own opinion but I disagree QF doesn't want to go post AN days it's more about the Sales Act. Why shouldn't the same rules apply to both
238 Sethor : Don't you think competition will be more fierce if QF had access to foreign investment? If laws are left as if QF are going to be worn down by below
239 Post contains images DeltaB717 : She sure did Was just looking at QF's online timetable and to me it looks as though the second, VH-YQT, should be entering service Sunday 15 December
240 tullamarine : I think everyone agrees that the QSA needs to be reviewed and greater foreign equity or a greater individual concentration be allowed. Having said th
241 6thfreedom : If i'm not mistaken, the qantas sales act allows up to 25% investment by a foreign airline. Not sure what % a $300M injection would look like, but I
242 gemuser : While this is true, that 25% is WITHIN the overall 50% foreign ownership limit. My understanding is that foreign interests already own very close to
243 Post contains links TN486 : New thread commenced. Australian Aviation Thread #82 (by TN486 Nov 20 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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