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Irish 12/13: High On Jet Fuel ...  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 29465 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to what's probably our last thread of 2013.

Here's the link to 11/13, which - sadly - we ended on a negative note, with the threat of industrial action by Aer Lingus cabin crew:

Irish 11/13: Flightfest Follow-up (by kaitak Sep 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I wonder if this has anything to do with the closing of the SNN cabin crew base and ongoing issues relating to the planned new 757 operation.

Nonetheless, the last thread has seen someinteresting - not necessarily all positive - developments:

- New routes, particularly by FR from NOC and SNN
- The abolition of air travel tax
- New routes by Aer Lingus commuter
- A new, softer, cuddlier Ryanair, and (just announced today) assigned seating
- The last flight to DUB by SAS's MD80 fleet, and the retirement of the type altogether
- Aer Lingus flying A330s to Faro from next Summer (just announced today also)
- Government rules out sale of EI shareholding
- Failure of Flynonstop, which was supposed to have operated services to DUB this Winter
- EI interested in joint purchasing plan with EY

So, as we count down the last weeks of 2013 and look forward to 2014, what do we have to look forward to? Certainly, the EI 757s and more RE ATR72-600s, hopefully some more routes as a result of travel tax going, though of course, the economic situation is still poor and the budget was quite severe, which will probably have an adverse effect on discretionary spending, but hopefully we will continue to see growth.

Over to you, folks; no running, jumping or piddling in the shallow end ...

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User currently onlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 29323 times:

Interesting news about the A330s to FAO but having flown this route in September which is out of the peak season I can see why!

And it's Aer Lingus regional, not commuter  


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 29279 times:
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OA260 soggests "Ground the fleet sack everyone and bring in new outsourced crew on new contracts with lower cost base and refuse to recognise the Unions. Only way to get rid of this Irish drama series!!"

Could well be the endgame that EI Exec's are looking at. They have encouraged this turn of events and done nothing to halt it. 2 months of hire-ins will hurt the bank balance but ultimately having ACL, Storm Mcginley and others provide contractor cabin crew will reduce the EI staff bill and ensure cost stabilisation into the future. I believe the term is "siloing of aviation labour costs."


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 29217 times:

From an external perspective.

- EI proposed x4 crew for the 757, the union wanted x5 because the non BOB service needed more staffing.
- EI decided that this was not commercially viable and outsourced the crewing as the staff refused to operate the service.
- Staff training courses were terminated.
- EI were now faced with staffing a cabin crew base for a single aircraft in Shannon and took a commercial decision to close the base - and most probably crew from London or remote.


I get dismayed at the games being played by the union every few months. The union seems to know better on crewing compliments than the Airline, and this extra staff member per flight demand has cost many people good jobs within the airline.

I wonder what the total annual cost of providing the extra crew member per flight was? Salaries, hotels, insurance, etc...



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 29196 times:

And on to bigger news - The second Ryanair profit warning in as many months.

The Irish airline said average fares were likely to fall by 9% for the six months to the end of the financial year in March 2014. It predicted second-half losses extending to €90m and cut its full-year profit guidance to around €510m (£432m) from €570m.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...yanair-profits-warning-lower-fares



The Ryanair website this morning has a girl with her tits hanging out - how very tasteful and daily star-esque.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27246 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 29062 times:

Good to see they finally announced the A330 FAO service. The AGP one with the J seat upgrade is very popular with regulars. This should also be popular.

User currently onlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 29057 times:

How often will the 330 fly to FAO?

User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 28960 times:

Aer Lingus reports Q3 2013 operating profit up 4.4% on prior year.

Aer Lingus has said it is sticking to its profit targets for the year, with operating profits of around €60m predicted.

In an interim management statement, the airline said its third quarter operating profit was €95m, up 4.4% on the same time last year.

Third quarter revenue rose by 1.2% to €466.3m, while operating costs rose by only 0.4% to €381.4m.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013...4664-aer-lingus-trading-statement/

Full details: http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...etail.html?announcementId=11763554


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 28761 times:

Galway councils buy GWY; airport to close completely and land redeveloped

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1105/484710-galway-airport-purchase/



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 28731 times:

I flew DUB GWY on a number of occasions on the Aer Arann ATRs - a really quick flight in comparison to the old N7 road. The Galway based cabin crew were always so friendly and helpful.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
land redeveloped

No doubt to grow tumbleweed for a few years. What a pity.



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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 28616 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
I flew DUB GWY on a number of occasions on the Aer Arann ATRs - a really quick flight in comparison to the old N7 road. The Galway based cabin crew were always so friendly and helpful.

Thanks Bestwestern, I used to be one of them (between Sep. 2005 to Jul. 2009). I can tell you that some moved to SNN, DUB and ORK. Some went to Emirates. Others are working other jobs. I initially went to WAT (till Dec 2010) and now I am now at KLM (cityhopper) in The Netherlands.

..............still mis Ireland though
 


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 28575 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
Galway councils buy GWY; airport to close completely and land redeveloped

A sad but perhaps inevitable end.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 28522 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
I wonder what the total annual cost of providing the extra crew member per flight was? Salaries, hotels, insurance, etc...

Plan was a total of 3 B757 eventually. So perhaps 5-6 departures per week per a/c, lets say 17 per week? 52 weeks = 884 B757 flights per year. Lets assume 13 hour average block time for the round trip (SNN-JFK, SNN-BOS, DUB-YYZ) This totals 11492 flying hours per year......EI utlise their crew 850 hours per year, lets assume they only achieve 800 at SNN due only B757 flying (would back to back T/A be more efficient?)

11492/800 equals 14.3. Lets bring the total up to 20 to cover sickness and holiday time. 20 x base salary of 20K = 400K, transport is the same for 2/4 or 2/5 crew. Extra hotel room every night of the year = just under 1100 nights at perhaps $100 a pop. Add in subsistence per diem of $127.....$139K.

So Euro 400K + $109K + $139K.....I'm guessing approx 550-600K Euros per year for 5 crew over 4. Lets go back to out first figure of 884 flights per year......just under 700 Euros per flight would pay for the 5th crew member. A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost. Of course there are lots of assumptions in my figures above.

My issue is that the extra frequencies from SNN are supposed to allow EI to offer a more attractive/flexible schedule to business related passengers. (leisure pax being usually more price focused) At the ame time J Class pax may prefer to remain with the better crewing levels on the US carriers. And I wonder how the B757 will be preceived as the 'face of Aer Lingus' as a new entrant to the Canadian market.


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 28215 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 12):
So Euro 400K + $109K + $139K.....I'm guessing approx 550-600K Euros per year for 5 crew over 4. Lets go back to out first figure of 884 flights per year......just under 700 Euros per flight would pay for the 5th crew member. A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost. Of course there are lots of assumptions in my figures above.

I think EI is hoping to operate the 3 757s at 19 a week but either way, you could argue that €600-700k isn't huge. Certainly if an airline was making €600m profit annually. You might be more argumentative if the airline was making €60m though.

A different way of looking at it is that if the expected cost of operating the route was €5m and the expected revenue was €5.1m, then reducing that cost by €600k suddenly makes the route a lot more attractive. Those numbers are purely made up of course. Just a simplistic argument.

In fact, EI could argue that they need to keep costs low, to ensure fares are low since they need to regain market share from the other airlines in SNN. The only way they see this working is low fares and high freq. Service may not be the best but EI must think they can make 4 cabin crew work. And price often beats service, especially if the staff are committed to making it work.


User currently offlineRufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 28171 times:

With the aer lingus 757 debate raging on I think most people are missing where the issue really lies. The IAA approved 4 cabin crew on the 757 which is a similar size , if not bigger, than the 321 which is 5 crew. Yes 50 pax/crew member etc but in the uk the 757 is 5 crew minimum despite the seat numbers due to the a/c type. Are the IAA influenced by EIs commercial agenda ? I would hope not but I don't believe 4 crew is enough on the 757 regardless of the service offered by the carrier.

User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 827 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 28156 times:

The crux here is that the IAA approved 4 crew and whether the unions or the general public like it, EI are perfectly entitled to operate the flights with that staff level. The unions again wanted to look for more and played a dangerous game of bluff and EI have called them on it. While I feel sorry for the staff involved it's their union they should be blaming, not EI. They are a commercial entity working in a very challenging environment and are entitled to make difficult decisions which aren't going to jeapordise the jobs of others in the company by bowing to demand from a union still entrenched in mind games of 10 years ago


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User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 28135 times:

Quoting Rufusisgod (Reply 14):
With the aer lingus 757 debate raging on I think most people are missing where the issue really lies. The IAA approved 4 cabin crew on the 757 which is a similar size , if not bigger, than the 321 which is 5 crew. Yes 50 pax/crew member etc but in the uk the 757 is 5 crew minimum despite the seat numbers due to the a/c type. Are the IAA influenced by EIs commercial agenda ? I would hope not but I don't believe 4 crew is enough on the 757 regardless of the service offered by the carrier.

This is not correct.
The UK 757's you are referring to have 235 seats therefore are required to have 5, using the 1/50 rule.
The rule is not an IAA regulation, it's a European one that applies to everyone.
So to conclude, the minimum required for safety is 4, any additions to this needed for service or contingency for sickness down route is where the debate is.
The regulator has no interest on crew for service requirements, just safety.

My own view is that EI should be allowed to try this out if that's what they want to do, and see how the service with only 4 goes, if it doesn't work out then it will have to be reviewed again.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 27992 times:

Quick question:
The A330-200 has 267 seats, yet requires 8 cabin crew due to doors. The 330 can come back to Ireland with 7 crew in exceptional circumstances (ie crew illness). This prompts the question: the 757s seem to have four doors, does it therefore require four crew at all times? Can it return to base with three? If the answer is no, with a crew illness incident, the flight will have to be cancelled and an aircraft hired in. This I believe will cost about €200,000, say nothing of having to look after passengers and flying an empty aircraft back to Ireland so as not to lose another flight. One incident of crew illness can therefore cost about €300,000. This is nearly the cost of having five crew.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 27975 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 12):
A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost.

A single extra J class passenger won't be delivered because of an extra passenger.

Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

Toronto with AC was predominantly flown as a Y class route, and Shannon to and from the US has hardly any J demand.

The two times i've flown to JFK with DL using miles, I was the only group in J class barring one other. DL flew the route for ages using a North American config, which was great as a Skyteam frequent flyer who got domestic first seats for free.



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User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 27940 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 17):
This prompts the question: the 757s seem to have four doors, does it therefore require four crew at all times? Can it return to base with three? If the answer is no, with a crew illness incident, the flight will have to be cancelled and an aircraft hired in. This I believe will cost about €200,000, say nothing of having to look after passengers and flying an empty aircraft back to Ireland so as not to lose another flight. One incident of crew illness can therefore cost about €300,000. This is nearly the cost of having five crew.

There sure is a financial risk to schedule with the legal minimum, but that is EI's commercial decision to make. If they cock it up then it's their own fault. They would have historical sickness records where they can assess a probability factor from. I'm sure they have thought about the sickness scenario and have some sort of plan.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 27897 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):

Bearing in mind the reports during the summer that EI spent €5million on hiring in aircraft to cover for crew shortages, it is a very risky strategy IMHO and it is one that could blow the finances of the 757 out of the water if it happens three times during 2014. If my figures are correct, three cancellations will cost almost €1 million. That is a huge gamble to take on a marginally profitable route. If we assume Eagleboy's figures are right then five crew actually saves money based on three crew members going sick over a one year period. This is assuming that the aircraft cannot fly back from the US with less than four crew members.


User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27789 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):
If they cock it up then it's their own fault.

And they will then proceed to publicly blame the crew.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):
They would have historical sickness records where they can assess a probability factor from. I'm sure they have thought about the sickness scenario and have some sort of plan

You would think so, wouldn't you? But this being the same management who couldn't get the crewing figures correct for a standard summer schedule doesn't fill me with confidence.


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27632 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 20):
That is a huge gamble to take on a marginally profitable route.

Maybe but is it having the 4 person crew that makes the route marginally profitable. Otherwise, it wouldn't be profitable at all?

I don't know how incompetent EI's management is but they are making money right now, so they must be doing something right! It just seems that if EI's staff had given it a go and if it didn't work because of something simple like illness, then everyone would have learned something.

And if it did work (because, it could indeed work), everyone would have been a winner.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 27503 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

I would agree BW...and having never flown J Class from SNN I am not familiar with the loads on US carriers. I just used the "1 extra J Class pax" as a handy way to cover approx 700 Euro in cost per flight.
Maybe the margins are really so tight that the estimate of 600K-700K extra cost P.A. does determine the viability of the routes. (ie 2M profit annually vs 2.5M profit) It remains to be seen however if EI pass on these savings to the public in order to reclaim market share.
I think EI could clear up the argument with some financial info......(I know this is likely sensitive info but as a mngr if it blew the union claims away then I would definitely consider it)


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27246 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27301 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

Totally agree and makes economic sense. If that is the only way a route can be maintained and viable then needs must!!


25 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : October was the 5th consecutive month of passenger growth for SNN: http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo..._shows_more_growth_in_October.aspx
26 Post contains links david_itl : New link to Cancun from Dublin. Just remains to be seen as to who the operator will be. Would EI have "spare" capacity to operate such a route or are
27 Irish251 : Most likely Thomas Cook UK. I have a feeling that Britannia flew this route some years ago with 767s (but I could be wrong!).
28 Aer Lingus : Monarch did a weekly Latin American A330 charter back in 2008 I think. Was it to Punta Cana?
29 OA260 : Yes Budget Travel used to use them for their USA/Mexico program.
30 shamrock321 : Monarch did Puerta Plata for a summer, their long haul programme the summer after was just SFB.
31 Post contains links shamrock350 : Goodbye Sky Deli, hello Aer Lingus Bia. Aer Lingus tweeted today that they've been working with Clodagh McKenna to revamp their on board menu, now cal
32 Post contains images ClassicLover : So according to the Irish dictionary online, it means feed, food or grub. Presumably it's to mean food or grub? Will I go with food? Anyone?
33 BrianDromey : I flew into DUB today on EI-FAV. I'm very impressed with the new cabin and overheads look much bigger. I travelled with just a backpack today and the
34 Post contains images ClassicLover : It's always good to learn a new Irish word. I didn't know Cara meant friend until someone at college mentioned it right before our presentation on Ae
35 BrianDromey : Glad to educate! Aer Lingus, is an anglicised version of Aer Liongeas " air fleet". Cara is indeed the Irish for friend, although carra can mean "art
36 BrianDromey : Just seen a QR 777-200 taxy past me in DUB. Didn't catch the reg, not sure if it was an ER or LR but it is in oneworld livery. Perhaps being repainted
37 cipango : Though I like the idea of calling the menu after an Irish word, I do agree that it won't make sense to 50% of travellers on EI. Chances are many Iris
38 captainmeeerkat : The fact that it will have food and drinks listed on it for purchase will be enough for 99% of people - regardless of the name that appears at the to
39 Irish251 : B777-300 A7-BAB departed Dublin this morning. It had arrived for painting on 30 October.
40 Eagleboy : Shame to see it disappear.....it was odd buy tasted lovely with a cuppa
41 Post contains images OA260 : Its good marketing to Irishise a few things but your right as a foreigner I know more Irish than the locals more often than not
42 Post contains links shamrock350 : The full Bia menu is now available on board and to view on the Aer Lingus website. http://www.aerlingus.com/inflight-ex...in-europe-economy/introducin
43 EIBoston : Wish you could get the Full Irish breakfast on the T/A flights. Would sure beat the septic orange juice that they hand out. But I guess it will not ha
44 ClassicLover : I see the breakfast is now pre-order only, which I guess will cut down on waste. The rest of the menu looks good! Happy to finally see it online.
45 Eirules : I was wondering what the impending US / AA merger will mean for DUB. I cannot see the merged company offering 4 daily Summer flights ex DUB (to CLT, P
46 Post contains links OA260 : Some nice new routes from DUB on FR Ryanair has announced nine new routes from Dublin from next April to Almeria, Bari, Basel, Bucharest, Chania, Comi
47 cipango : Also increasing seats to the UK. Good news.
48 shamrock350 : Nice to see some new routes, particularly Basel which I'm rather fond of but everything else is very predictable of Ryanair. The big increases on UK r
49 Post contains links Toulouse : Looks like things with EI and crew base at SNN may be thankfully resolved . http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1115/486795-aer-lingus/
50 OA260 : Indeed Basel is a great city and a great gateway to the region.
51 Post contains links Eagleboy : Looks like the world is ending and pigs may actually be about to fly: FR to "aggressively" target markets that demand customer service: http://www.ind
52 Post contains links clydenairways : Never saw this one coming !!! Westjet YYT-DUB http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deal...tml?sm_cid=sm-tw-ge-20131115&mrd=0
53 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Westjet announces Dublin. Now that is a surprise. http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deal...tml?sm_cid=sm-tw-ge-20131115&mrd=0 Implying connections t
54 Post contains links BestWestern : Just don't tell the Shannon brigade about the Cliffs of Moher being near Dublin! http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=828 WestJet's f
55 clydenairways : Well with the new motorway network now it is.
56 Eirules : This one seems to have come out of no where. I'm not sure about a tie up with EI given their current link with AC on flights to LHR, but maybe AC are
57 Eagleboy : Motorway being downgraded to "cobblestone roads" to ensure no false advertising claims being lodged. It pretty much the same cabin diameter anyway. I
58 EIDL : I believe the ETOPS option is offered due to the BBJ, but it is used by a fair few other operators too.
59 clydenairways : A tie up with EI connections to the UK provinces would be great, but considering the WS flight leaves DUB at 0820 in the morning this probably isn't
60 Post contains images OA260 : Yes its great to see and a nice route
61 airfinglas : The Westjet news is great to hear. Just looked at a 3 day break in Sept 2014, €261 return. Cracking fare. St Johns looks like a great place to visit
62 Post contains images OA260 : Yes its certainly popular on some other forums with a few Irish aviation guys booking trips
63 Jambost : Great news from Westjet, I hope they are successful with their DUB venture. I don't have the brains to work out, but if they were planning a link to B
64 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus announce Hannover and Pula for next summer. Aer Lingus announces new routes at Dublin and Shannon Aer Lingus has today announced additions
65 Jamie2k9 : WJ's PR man was talking about the carriers new service to DUB and has said that all the cheap $400 fares have sold out in the first 24hrs of reservati
66 OA260 : Yes it should do very well. There seems to be more interest in this than the EI YYZ route ironically! CFU did well last Summer so great to see extra
67 shamrock321 : Quick question, just seen an article that shows Ryanair operated 84 routes from DUB in summer 2007, excluding the few that have come back can anyone r
68 BrianDromey : I imagine they will have to do something. BA are not listed as a tenant for the new T2, so LHR will have to figure out a way to handle arrivals from
69 Post contains links Jambost : I need a little more research but I am guessing EI will have the advantage of free to use PTV's where I assume WS will charge their customers. I can
70 Jamie2k9 : We had Aberdeen, Doncaster, Durham tees valley, Gothenburg, Tampere, Weeze to name a few then the likes of Budapest, Prague, Bremen, Basel, Almeria h
71 BrianDromey : I've never flown Y with AC over the Atlantic, and not sure how it differs from Rouge. This past week I've had some great flights with EI over the Atl
72 cipango : Apparently US are to use an A330-200 on the DUB-PHL route next summer beginning March 29th and ending October 24th. It is still showing up as a 767-20
73 kaitak : I was just wondering that when I saw the link Jambost kindly shared, above. The 757s went to SNN some time ago for repainting, so we should see them
74 shamrock350 : I guess the SFO announcement has overshadowed YYZ for Aer Lingus, both routes need plenty of hype in the build up the launch as they could be quickly
75 Jamie2k9 : December, flights are due to begin around the 10th. Its supposed to be EI-DAA that's going but that may of changed.
76 kaitak : I had checked the schedule for the 21st December quite recently (in the hope that there might be a 330 free to operate LHR-DUB flights!) and all three
77 irishair98 : Always wanted to see US use there A330 to DUB! But where did you get this information from?
78 Post contains links cipango : Can be found here.
79 AmricanShamrok : From the DAA Summer 2007 Guide & Timetable, FR operated the following routes: Aberdeen (ABZ) 5x weekly Alghero (AHO) 2x weekly Alicante (ALC) 5x
80 OA260 : It will be good for Premium pax also. I used the Envoy flatbeds last year and they were great!
81 cipango : True, Envoy on the 757 and 767 is very dated and hard to compete with the likes of United, Are Lingus and Delta.
82 OA260 : Indeed its one reason I flew CLT-LGW over PHL-DUB. There is a big difference in product.
83 Eirules : Great to see more transatlantic growth from DUB next Summer. Over the last few years we've seen AA add JFK, DL increase Summer capacity to ATL with th
84 AmricanShamrok : I can't see UA opening DUB when they have a successful seasonal operation at SNN. They also don't have any competition on this route. Maybe DUB-West
85 AmricanShamrok : I see UA are to restart daily IAD-MAD flights next year. The service will be operated by their own Boeing 757-200s.
86 Post contains images Jambost : Thanks for the feedback Brian, your description of EI brought back fond memories of my experience with EK. for EI. - James
87 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus will use an A330 to fly 40 tonnes of aid to the Philippines on Sunday. http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish...ws/aer-lingus-goal-team-up-28
88 cipango : Its actually only to Dubai and then it will be distributed from there.
89 Post contains images irishair98 : Aer Lingus has added a great touch to one of its A321's EI-CPH. It's great to see Aer Lingus helping to raise awareness for Men's Health!
90 kaitak : Hearing that - subject to confirmation - great news for the people of Beijing. Finally, after many decades of pining, the Chinese capital will finally
91 Eirules : Fantastic news if true. Further long haul growth ex DUB and into such a major economy. Cargo will also benefit hugely. Makes we wonder why EI once aga
92 OA260 : Hopefully the direct and not the tag on that was mentioned. --- Cityjet to increase DUB-LCY to 34 weekly in 2014. 29 with RJ's and 5 with F50's . ---
93 EIDL : Fleet limitations would be the obvious first suggestion.
94 Eagleboy : Indeed. DUB-SFO is a big decision in terms of fleet usage.....at this point EI need another 1-2 wide-bodies to grow their longhaul network.
95 Eirules : Partly agree. But yet EI are sub leasing an A330 for next few months...
96 VCy : Any chance we ll see EI at LCA any time soon?
97 Post contains links OA260 : Some good news for BFS : Increase in Belfast business paying dividends for easyJet easyJet passenger numbers from Belfast have grown around 16% in the
98 cipango : I always thought it would be Hainan Airlines to fly to Dublin if there were to be a link to China! I will definitely be using this flight often shoul
99 EIDL : There isn't a major fleet utilisation issue over winter; there is in the summer.
100 OA260 : The market for Cyprus is not as popular as it was from Ireland. At its peak there were 6-7 operators selling packages prior to the economic issues bu
101 Jamie2k9 : Aer Lingus made it clear a few times that they have no interest in flying to China from Dublin. If they were interested they would of operated it. Th
102 kaitak : It's also very good for trade to other North Asian countries, such as South Korea (even North Korea, since CA is the only foreign airline flying there
103 Post contains images cipango : It will be full of people taking advantage of a one stop to Pyongyang!
104 kaitak : Absolutely; and Kim Jong-Un will be coming over to do an audition for Love/Hate. Seriously, though, even if this starts out as a one stop - CA still
105 Post contains images OA260 : Im sure they have better programs in NK than that shite ! Id be more interested to see a tag with a nice 5th freedom a bit like the MUC-ATH-PEK route
106 Post contains links shamrock350 : Makes more sense. Aer Lingus tweeted live from the flight today, posting photos and updates of its progress. A video was just uploaded a while ago as
107 Post contains images shamrocka330 : Here's a photo from the Aer Lingus twitter feed, EI-ELA inflight at 40,000FT on the way back from Dubai.
108 Post contains links shamrock604 : Ryanair DUB - Moscow and St Petersburg? http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/201...ra-vers-la-russie-en-mars-2014.php If so, along with Beijing (rumoured)
109 shamrock604 : There might be some more to come from Ryanair too - apparently 26 slot pairs at Amsterdam have been applied for, for routes to all the normal suspects
110 OA260 : That was first touted last Autumn so would be good to see it.
111 AmricanShamrok : MOL played down any Ireland-Russia routes during one of his "Twitter Chats". Still though, FR are characteristically unpredicable.
112 clydenairways : I had heard expansion East was the next move but i wasn't sure if this was to mean Russia or the Ukraine or both. Looks like Russia initially. Great
113 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Russian flights now being reported on RTE and the Irish Times. Lots of new destinations being announced lately. Is this indicative of a more optimisti
114 captainmeeerkat : FR in Russia?! whoo hoo!! Finally a chance to go home for normal prices again. Moscow to Dublin prices have increased alot in the last year or so!
115 OA260 : Well a denial sometimes means its true. Although in fairness Aer Lingus can only do so much. They have not done too badly so far with expansion plans
116 cipango : Im hoping to take advantage of the cheaper introductory fares. Do you know when this will be announced?
117 kaitak : Good news for FR - and Russia! We have links to two superpowers within a week, Comrades! I was wondering if FR could do an overnight flight from DUB t
118 AmricanShamrok : It's still in the pipeline according to the powers that be. Personally though, I can't see it happening anymore. I'd love to see PK at SNN however!
119 Post contains images OA260 : Ive seen it all before as I said when it was first announced. They did the same thing the last time they touted SNN as a stopover. The problem with t
120 dstc47 : Boy, would you like to be a flight attendant on that rotation! Cant see that one working, however convenient for passengers.
121 eicvd : Apparently FR are to open a base in FCO from next month, initially with a few domestic flights, BRU, yes BRU & not CRL will be started too. Italia
122 kaitak : No, but whatever times they operate, it will be a 9h+ working day; I just think it makes sense to make use of acft downtime.
123 teahan : True, but Ryanair haven't made m(any) attempts at creative overnight scheduling. On the other hand, there are quite a few examples of it on the easyJ
124 shamrock604 : There are good reasons why FR may not want to go down that road. FR's model is operationally simple. When you start to go down the road of operating
125 Post contains links nightfox365 : Not sure if you have heard or if it is true but http://travelbiz.ie/newsstory/Direct_flights_from_Dublin_to_Beijing
126 Jamie2k9 : EIR will be replacing EI on DUB-JER next summer, capacity will be more less the same but better freq with EIR.
127 Jamie2k9 : They have it on sale currently: DUB-JER 11.40-13.30 JER-DUB 14.00-16.00 Operates Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday all Summer while Monday and Tue
128 Jambost : Major new developments had DUB on the front page twice relating to Westjet and FR's Russian plans. Now we rest patiently awaiting new Chinese/Russian
129 Jamie2k9 : Loads with S7 are very good, and they have panned a capacity increase for 2014 however with it only being one weekly, it would be very worrying if lo
130 OA260 : As I posted in the Turkish Thread it seems we will get another increase in frequencies as TK continue to perform well on the DUB-IST route.
131 Jamie2k9 : Is that just the planned 10-12 weekly increase of something other than that?
132 Post contains images flynikiguy : Hey Everyone, I do not post here often but I am loyal observer but in light of recent developments in Irish aviation I would like to add my two cents.
133 AmricanShamrok : A joint Shannon Airport/Aer Lingus Regional press conference will take place at SNN on Wednesday at 10:00 with details of additional services for 2014
134 cipango : I don't see them starting a new destination from SNN. If they were to start EMA or SOU they would probably start it from DUB first. My guess would be
135 AmricanShamrok : They already fly SNN-EDI daily. They also fly to MAN and BHX; their past routes are GLA, BRS and RNS.
136 SURFER : BRS has been strongly rumoured around the airport to restart for sometime,summer 2014 is looking like a busy one for SNN no matter what is announced.A
137 cipango : Perhaps the return of ATL with DL?
138 AmricanShamrok : It's getting a bit late in the day for a new transatlantic route announcement in time for Summer 2014. The airport is pursuing ATL and increased capa
139 irishair98 : Now that we're in the final month of 2013 when about will we see the EI 757's roll out of the hanger in shannon and are all three 757's now in shannon
140 Post contains links shamrock350 : Here's EI-LAX off on her winter lease to Novair, seen at OSL today. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ingerbf/11179423654/ Come back soon Mella! Apparently
141 SURFER : It isnt too late look at the Westjet announcement to DUB that was made only two weeks ago so plenty of time.No idea what happened the proposed UN ser
142 EIDL : Has anything come of the rumour of the 757's being given retro liveries, or was that just wishful thinking by enthusiasts?
143 shamrock350 : Aer Lingus Regional have announced a new daily service from Shannon to Bristol along with frequency increases on Manchester (3 daily) and Birmingham (
144 AmricanShamrok : Great news, the early MAN and BHX flights fit nicely for connections to JFK and BOS and vice versa. This really has been an unbelievable first year f
145 Rufusisgod : Hey Folk, Did i just see EI-LAX at DUB? thought she was off flying for Novair.
146 shamrock350 : FlightRadar does show it back in DUB as NVR9732 but it must have come straight from Tobago as it was there last night!
147 cipango : Like all things Irish, she must be a real home bird.
148 Jamie2k9 : Had a technical fault.
149 OA260 : Good to see SNN being linked to more UK cities. Hopefully they can build on it more as time goes on.
150 Post contains images BestWestern : Some very interesting comments from Cristoph Muller at the UK aviation club. This should breath some life into this thread for a while. https://twitte
151 BestWestern : Theres another interesting comment from Muller further down the twitter page... Müller: we basically have only 2 uncompeted routes from DUB: Amsterda
152 OA260 : Nothing really earth shattering there . Very true about the Alliance comment though. Certainly for EI it pays to link with everyone.
153 shamrock350 : Müller is becoming known for his own one liners these days! Well that was close! I think we all knew the A350 order was in some doubt, CM said quite
154 Post contains images EIBoston : I love this one but why on earth would you fly 3 times in one quarter to see you mother in law in the first place
155 Post contains links Toulouse : Not sure if this route operated before, but I just noticed Helvetic Airways will be operating a weekly ZRH-SNN flight from May to end of August http:
156 tonystan : Very interesting. Maybe management are learning not to mess about with a loyal and long standing workforce whom understand the brand and customer per
157 Eagleboy : Seems that not enough has changed. Aer Lingus didn't release their cabin roster for Xmas and New Year until yesterday. Probable the most awaited shif
158 Jamie2k9 : Don't think its all on EI's part, delay form Airbus more so.
159 by738 : Scrapped, along with EDI-NOC for next year.
160 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Does this mean all the A330s will eventually be replaced by A350s? What does he mean by this I wonder...is MCO not profitable? Why are they continuin
161 tonystan : LOL Yeah heard that (my lodger is crew for them). Heard it was something to do with arranging training for the SNN crew. Not sure how that effects DU
162 kaitak : Looks like it. I am still looking fwd to seeing what kind of configuration they will offer. I strongly believe that they will go for nine abreast. Th
163 shamrock604 : Might just be a case of lost in translation - If that were said in German, it would read differently, ie "a 3 weekly service hardly makes or breaks u
164 EI320 : With just 2-3 flights per week, the performance of DUB-MCO is unlikely to have a material impact on the company's financial position. AMS, on the oth
165 OA260 : Yes sadly two BE Irish routes axed. More to do with the mess that BE is at the moment than the routes themselves but a blow for SNN and NOC all the s
166 Jamie2k9 : I think the comments about MCO are being taken out of context, if it wasn't profitable it would be dropped and last summer it was upgraded from an A33
167 Post contains links OA260 : Aer Lingus drop in passenger numbers : 05 December 2013 AER Lingus passenger numbers fell last month compared with November of last year. Including Ae
168 shamrock604 : They had expected a weak november, as noted in previous management statements, but it's bizarre considering traffic at Dublin grew by 7% in November.
169 Post contains links shamrock350 : Here's a photo of EI-LAX landing in DUB yesterday, seems it suffered hydraulic problems on its flight back from the Caribbean and diverted. http://www
170 Eirules : Just back from a trip to New York and while the overall experience was very good, our arrival into DUB was less than positive. Our flight was due in a
171 shamrock604 : This is the problem with T2 and with Aerlingus operating from it - if the early morning EI wave doesnt get away on time, then the stands are blocked.
172 Jamie2k9 : Put it this way would aircraft be allowed to land at LHR 45 minutes early and get a stand, I think not. Even with the arrivals 45 and 70 minutes are n
173 shamrock604 : It's a fair point - try landing at JFK in late afternoon and see how long you have to wait. That's life at a busy airport.
174 OA260 : One hour and ten minutes to wait for a stand is unacceptable and people trying to justify it by saying "oh it happens else where" is one reason why D
175 Post contains links Jambost : http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25278163 Some heavy delays relating to an atc glitch.. not a great start to the weekend! Issue could be resolved by 1400.
176 AmricanShamrok : Could the flights arriving early and waiting for gates not park remotely, disembark passengers and bus them to T2? It's not ideal but could be most c
177 OA260 : Certainly more ideal after a TATL when you just want to get off and home/hotel. Id prefer remote stand than being stuck on the tarmac waiting.
178 Eirules : I'm with OA260 here. It's not good enough to have an attitude that because poor practices happen elsewhere that DUB should just accept it as the norm.
179 Eirules : I'm with OA260 here. It's not good enough to have an attitude that because poor practices happen elsewhere that DUB should just accept it as the norm.
180 Jamie2k9 : Late last night this mornings arrival with DL was scheduled at 06.50 and was due at 06.05, not there is no stands more less at all available at that
181 OA260 : Indeed . People should constantly strive for better not accepting second best. Innovation and thinking outside of the box is whats needed at DUB. A l
182 EI320 : Innovation and foresight will be imperative if DUB is to maximise its potential in the years ahead, both operationally and commercially. Unfortunatel
183 Jamie2k9 : OA260 while you do have some points, I think EI320 has hit the nail on the head with Jetstream which lets be honest only lasts for a short period of t
184 AmricanShamrok : The design of Pier 4 (E) isn't exactly ideal for these delays either. The pier can accommodate a maximum of eight widebody aircraft (with 0 narrowbody
185 Post contains links BestWestern : Page 26 of the attached link below shows whats next http://emergingairports.com/presenta...d%20British%20Aviation%20Group.pdf
186 shamrock321 : Flew into DUB today on EI-CVA, in good condition for the oldest A320 in the fleet, rather disinterested crew and a little disappointed there was no "C
187 Aer Lingus : CVA just had a C check in BOD I believe and is only back about two weeks so perhaps got a good going over on the inside too. Yes EY now handled by EI
188 Eirules : I noticed AA are flying DUB-ORD into November of 2014, not sure how far beyond this but am I not right in saying that since the route went seasonal, i
189 AmricanShamrok : I see on another thread DL are to decrease frequency on JFK-DUB to 7x weekly next summer and both ATL and JFK services will be operated with the 767-3
190 Jamie2k9 : Not correct, they never change aircraft/freq until Feb or March at the earliest. A332 to ATL only operates for peak season anyway and B767 is always
191 SURFER : Don't know if anyone has seen the offer from Shannon airport on their Facebook page today,operation Santa clause which is free flights this coming wee
192 tonystan : Has anyone heard if there will be a shake up of US Airways operations at DUB as a result of the AA merger????
193 aidansnn : I spotted it earlier today - applied via the email address, but have yet to hear back. A bit of a random one, as far as marketing is concerned! It ca
194 OA260 : Maybe staff in Ireland effected and one route to go I heard. Not more than usual talk going around so I gues we will see soon enough.
195 Eirules : I'd be surprised if CLT stays to be honest but I've equally heard JFK is struggling which wouldn't be a shock considering the competition on the rout
196 tonystan : Cheers for that. Indeed it will be interesting on that note. US for all their failings have a slightly better product compared to AAs 767 and 757s.
197 OA260 : Aer Lingus amending their baggage policy allowing pre booked bags on a sliding price scale 15KG to 40KG. New prices on Aerlingus.com
198 ei 168 : Nice update to the Dublin Airport app on iOS devices. A much better improvement on the last version.
199 shamrock604 : Nothing wrong with CLT's performance - it apparently had a very strong year this year. I'd heard JFK was doing rather well too, at least during it's
200 Eirules : I'd be happy to see CLT stay since it's another destination out of DUB, but I can't see the new AA spreading their yields so thin as to have 4 routes
201 cipango : CLT could be an underdog in the US/AA merger. I would say JFK would go first before CLT (if any are to go). As you said I couldn't see PHL being drop
202 EIBoston : Anyone know why EI135 was rerouted via Dublin today? 137 and 139 are both operating as well from DUB today.
203 BestWestern : Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates, is to commence flights from Dublin to Perth, western Australia from July 15 th next
204 clydenairways : Completely agree with you. Comparisons given by others of what happens in the likes of LHR and JFK are not going to cut it if the DAA and EI are seri
205 EIBoston : Looks like EI are operating EI991 to Boston empty. I assume this will operate the EI138 tonight.
206 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Finally, the end may be in sight for RE's AT4s - all four of them are being put up for lease: http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_aran
207 cipango : Interesting, will KIR end or will it be upgraded to a 72?
208 Post contains links kaitak : Ho, ho, ho .... hot news! Thread No. 13 of '13 is now up and running. Board now ... Irish 13/13: Flying The Santa Star (by kaitak Dec 13 2013 in Civil
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