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Irish 12/13: High On Jet Fuel ...  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 29583 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to what's probably our last thread of 2013.

Here's the link to 11/13, which - sadly - we ended on a negative note, with the threat of industrial action by Aer Lingus cabin crew:

Irish 11/13: Flightfest Follow-up (by kaitak Sep 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I wonder if this has anything to do with the closing of the SNN cabin crew base and ongoing issues relating to the planned new 757 operation.

Nonetheless, the last thread has seen someinteresting - not necessarily all positive - developments:

- New routes, particularly by FR from NOC and SNN
- The abolition of air travel tax
- New routes by Aer Lingus commuter
- A new, softer, cuddlier Ryanair, and (just announced today) assigned seating
- The last flight to DUB by SAS's MD80 fleet, and the retirement of the type altogether
- Aer Lingus flying A330s to Faro from next Summer (just announced today also)
- Government rules out sale of EI shareholding
- Failure of Flynonstop, which was supposed to have operated services to DUB this Winter
- EI interested in joint purchasing plan with EY

So, as we count down the last weeks of 2013 and look forward to 2014, what do we have to look forward to? Certainly, the EI 757s and more RE ATR72-600s, hopefully some more routes as a result of travel tax going, though of course, the economic situation is still poor and the budget was quite severe, which will probably have an adverse effect on discretionary spending, but hopefully we will continue to see growth.

Over to you, folks; no running, jumping or piddling in the shallow end ...

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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 29441 times:

Interesting news about the A330s to FAO but having flown this route in September which is out of the peak season I can see why!

And it's Aer Lingus regional, not commuter  


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 29397 times:
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OA260 soggests "Ground the fleet sack everyone and bring in new outsourced crew on new contracts with lower cost base and refuse to recognise the Unions. Only way to get rid of this Irish drama series!!"

Could well be the endgame that EI Exec's are looking at. They have encouraged this turn of events and done nothing to halt it. 2 months of hire-ins will hurt the bank balance but ultimately having ACL, Storm Mcginley and others provide contractor cabin crew will reduce the EI staff bill and ensure cost stabilisation into the future. I believe the term is "siloing of aviation labour costs."


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 29335 times:

From an external perspective.

- EI proposed x4 crew for the 757, the union wanted x5 because the non BOB service needed more staffing.
- EI decided that this was not commercially viable and outsourced the crewing as the staff refused to operate the service.
- Staff training courses were terminated.
- EI were now faced with staffing a cabin crew base for a single aircraft in Shannon and took a commercial decision to close the base - and most probably crew from London or remote.


I get dismayed at the games being played by the union every few months. The union seems to know better on crewing compliments than the Airline, and this extra staff member per flight demand has cost many people good jobs within the airline.

I wonder what the total annual cost of providing the extra crew member per flight was? Salaries, hotels, insurance, etc...



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 29314 times:

And on to bigger news - The second Ryanair profit warning in as many months.

The Irish airline said average fares were likely to fall by 9% for the six months to the end of the financial year in March 2014. It predicted second-half losses extending to €90m and cut its full-year profit guidance to around €510m (£432m) from €570m.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...yanair-profits-warning-lower-fares



The Ryanair website this morning has a girl with her tits hanging out - how very tasteful and daily star-esque.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29180 times:

Good to see they finally announced the A330 FAO service. The AGP one with the J seat upgrade is very popular with regulars. This should also be popular.

User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29175 times:

How often will the 330 fly to FAO?

User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 29078 times:

Aer Lingus reports Q3 2013 operating profit up 4.4% on prior year.

Aer Lingus has said it is sticking to its profit targets for the year, with operating profits of around €60m predicted.

In an interim management statement, the airline said its third quarter operating profit was €95m, up 4.4% on the same time last year.

Third quarter revenue rose by 1.2% to €466.3m, while operating costs rose by only 0.4% to €381.4m.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013...4664-aer-lingus-trading-statement/

Full details: http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...etail.html?announcementId=11763554


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28879 times:

Galway councils buy GWY; airport to close completely and land redeveloped

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1105/484710-galway-airport-purchase/



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28849 times:

I flew DUB GWY on a number of occasions on the Aer Arann ATRs - a really quick flight in comparison to the old N7 road. The Galway based cabin crew were always so friendly and helpful.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
land redeveloped

No doubt to grow tumbleweed for a few years. What a pity.



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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 28734 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
I flew DUB GWY on a number of occasions on the Aer Arann ATRs - a really quick flight in comparison to the old N7 road. The Galway based cabin crew were always so friendly and helpful.

Thanks Bestwestern, I used to be one of them (between Sep. 2005 to Jul. 2009). I can tell you that some moved to SNN, DUB and ORK. Some went to Emirates. Others are working other jobs. I initially went to WAT (till Dec 2010) and now I am now at KLM (cityhopper) in The Netherlands.

..............still mis Ireland though
 


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1490 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 28693 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
Galway councils buy GWY; airport to close completely and land redeveloped

A sad but perhaps inevitable end.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 28640 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
I wonder what the total annual cost of providing the extra crew member per flight was? Salaries, hotels, insurance, etc...

Plan was a total of 3 B757 eventually. So perhaps 5-6 departures per week per a/c, lets say 17 per week? 52 weeks = 884 B757 flights per year. Lets assume 13 hour average block time for the round trip (SNN-JFK, SNN-BOS, DUB-YYZ) This totals 11492 flying hours per year......EI utlise their crew 850 hours per year, lets assume they only achieve 800 at SNN due only B757 flying (would back to back T/A be more efficient?)

11492/800 equals 14.3. Lets bring the total up to 20 to cover sickness and holiday time. 20 x base salary of 20K = 400K, transport is the same for 2/4 or 2/5 crew. Extra hotel room every night of the year = just under 1100 nights at perhaps $100 a pop. Add in subsistence per diem of $127.....$139K.

So Euro 400K + $109K + $139K.....I'm guessing approx 550-600K Euros per year for 5 crew over 4. Lets go back to out first figure of 884 flights per year......just under 700 Euros per flight would pay for the 5th crew member. A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost. Of course there are lots of assumptions in my figures above.

My issue is that the extra frequencies from SNN are supposed to allow EI to offer a more attractive/flexible schedule to business related passengers. (leisure pax being usually more price focused) At the ame time J Class pax may prefer to remain with the better crewing levels on the US carriers. And I wonder how the B757 will be preceived as the 'face of Aer Lingus' as a new entrant to the Canadian market.


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 28333 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 12):
So Euro 400K + $109K + $139K.....I'm guessing approx 550-600K Euros per year for 5 crew over 4. Lets go back to out first figure of 884 flights per year......just under 700 Euros per flight would pay for the 5th crew member. A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost. Of course there are lots of assumptions in my figures above.

I think EI is hoping to operate the 3 757s at 19 a week but either way, you could argue that €600-700k isn't huge. Certainly if an airline was making €600m profit annually. You might be more argumentative if the airline was making €60m though.

A different way of looking at it is that if the expected cost of operating the route was €5m and the expected revenue was €5.1m, then reducing that cost by €600k suddenly makes the route a lot more attractive. Those numbers are purely made up of course. Just a simplistic argument.

In fact, EI could argue that they need to keep costs low, to ensure fares are low since they need to regain market share from the other airlines in SNN. The only way they see this working is low fares and high freq. Service may not be the best but EI must think they can make 4 cabin crew work. And price often beats service, especially if the staff are committed to making it work.


User currently offlineRufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28289 times:

With the aer lingus 757 debate raging on I think most people are missing where the issue really lies. The IAA approved 4 cabin crew on the 757 which is a similar size , if not bigger, than the 321 which is 5 crew. Yes 50 pax/crew member etc but in the uk the 757 is 5 crew minimum despite the seat numbers due to the a/c type. Are the IAA influenced by EIs commercial agenda ? I would hope not but I don't believe 4 crew is enough on the 757 regardless of the service offered by the carrier.

User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28274 times:

The crux here is that the IAA approved 4 crew and whether the unions or the general public like it, EI are perfectly entitled to operate the flights with that staff level. The unions again wanted to look for more and played a dangerous game of bluff and EI have called them on it. While I feel sorry for the staff involved it's their union they should be blaming, not EI. They are a commercial entity working in a very challenging environment and are entitled to make difficult decisions which aren't going to jeapordise the jobs of others in the company by bowing to demand from a union still entrenched in mind games of 10 years ago


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 28253 times:

Quoting Rufusisgod (Reply 14):
With the aer lingus 757 debate raging on I think most people are missing where the issue really lies. The IAA approved 4 cabin crew on the 757 which is a similar size , if not bigger, than the 321 which is 5 crew. Yes 50 pax/crew member etc but in the uk the 757 is 5 crew minimum despite the seat numbers due to the a/c type. Are the IAA influenced by EIs commercial agenda ? I would hope not but I don't believe 4 crew is enough on the 757 regardless of the service offered by the carrier.

This is not correct.
The UK 757's you are referring to have 235 seats therefore are required to have 5, using the 1/50 rule.
The rule is not an IAA regulation, it's a European one that applies to everyone.
So to conclude, the minimum required for safety is 4, any additions to this needed for service or contingency for sickness down route is where the debate is.
The regulator has no interest on crew for service requirements, just safety.

My own view is that EI should be allowed to try this out if that's what they want to do, and see how the service with only 4 goes, if it doesn't work out then it will have to be reviewed again.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 28110 times:

Quick question:
The A330-200 has 267 seats, yet requires 8 cabin crew due to doors. The 330 can come back to Ireland with 7 crew in exceptional circumstances (ie crew illness). This prompts the question: the 757s seem to have four doors, does it therefore require four crew at all times? Can it return to base with three? If the answer is no, with a crew illness incident, the flight will have to be cancelled and an aircraft hired in. This I believe will cost about €200,000, say nothing of having to look after passengers and flying an empty aircraft back to Ireland so as not to lose another flight. One incident of crew illness can therefore cost about €300,000. This is nearly the cost of having five crew.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 28093 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 12):
A single extra J Class pax on each B757 flight would pay that cost.

A single extra J class passenger won't be delivered because of an extra passenger.

Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

Toronto with AC was predominantly flown as a Y class route, and Shannon to and from the US has hardly any J demand.

The two times i've flown to JFK with DL using miles, I was the only group in J class barring one other. DL flew the route for ages using a North American config, which was great as a Skyteam frequent flyer who got domestic first seats for free.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 28058 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 17):
This prompts the question: the 757s seem to have four doors, does it therefore require four crew at all times? Can it return to base with three? If the answer is no, with a crew illness incident, the flight will have to be cancelled and an aircraft hired in. This I believe will cost about €200,000, say nothing of having to look after passengers and flying an empty aircraft back to Ireland so as not to lose another flight. One incident of crew illness can therefore cost about €300,000. This is nearly the cost of having five crew.

There sure is a financial risk to schedule with the legal minimum, but that is EI's commercial decision to make. If they cock it up then it's their own fault. They would have historical sickness records where they can assess a probability factor from. I'm sure they have thought about the sickness scenario and have some sort of plan.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 28015 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):

Bearing in mind the reports during the summer that EI spent €5million on hiring in aircraft to cover for crew shortages, it is a very risky strategy IMHO and it is one that could blow the finances of the 757 out of the water if it happens three times during 2014. If my figures are correct, three cancellations will cost almost €1 million. That is a huge gamble to take on a marginally profitable route. If we assume Eagleboy's figures are right then five crew actually saves money based on three crew members going sick over a one year period. This is assuming that the aircraft cannot fly back from the US with less than four crew members.


User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 27907 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):
If they cock it up then it's their own fault.

And they will then proceed to publicly blame the crew.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):
They would have historical sickness records where they can assess a probability factor from. I'm sure they have thought about the sickness scenario and have some sort of plan

You would think so, wouldn't you? But this being the same management who couldn't get the crewing figures correct for a standard summer schedule doesn't fill me with confidence.


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 27750 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 20):
That is a huge gamble to take on a marginally profitable route.

Maybe but is it having the 4 person crew that makes the route marginally profitable. Otherwise, it wouldn't be profitable at all?

I don't know how incompetent EI's management is but they are making money right now, so they must be doing something right! It just seems that if EI's staff had given it a go and if it didn't work because of something simple like illness, then everyone would have learned something.

And if it did work (because, it could indeed work), everyone would have been a winner.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 27621 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

I would agree BW...and having never flown J Class from SNN I am not familiar with the loads on US carriers. I just used the "1 extra J Class pax" as a handy way to cover approx 700 Euro in cost per flight.
Maybe the margins are really so tight that the estimate of 600K-700K extra cost P.A. does determine the viability of the routes. (ie 2M profit annually vs 2.5M profit) It remains to be seen however if EI pass on these savings to the public in order to reclaim market share.
I think EI could clear up the argument with some financial info......(I know this is likely sensitive info but as a mngr if it blew the union claims away then I would definitely consider it)


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27419 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Year round Shannon long haul for EI is a marginal game at the best of times - and EI are obviously trying to reduce costs to the bone to make the route contribute.

These routes are not heavy J class routes.

Totally agree and makes economic sense. If that is the only way a route can be maintained and viable then needs must!!


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 27333 times:

October was the 5th consecutive month of passenger growth for SNN:

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo..._shows_more_growth_in_October.aspx



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7439 posts, RR: 13
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 27003 times:
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New link to Cancun from Dublin.

Just remains to be seen as to who the operator will be. Would EI have "spare" capacity to operate such a route or are we thinking more of a TCX/TOM operation?


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 982 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27088 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 26):
Just remains to be seen as to who the operator will be. Would EI have "spare" capacity to operate such a route or are we thinking more of a TCX/TOM operation?

Most likely Thomas Cook UK. I have a feeling that Britannia flew this route some years ago with 767s (but I could be wrong!).


User currently onlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27052 times:

Monarch did a weekly Latin American A330 charter back in 2008 I think. Was it to Punta Cana?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 26947 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 27):

Yes Budget Travel used to use them for their USA/Mexico program.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 26762 times:

Monarch did Puerta Plata for a summer, their long haul programme the summer after was just SFB.

User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 26551 times:

Goodbye Sky Deli, hello Aer Lingus Bia.

Aer Lingus tweeted today that they've been working with Clodagh McKenna to revamp their on board menu, now called Bia. The new menu will include fresh scones, croque monsieur, new sandwiches, a Gubeen cheese board & Crean's craft beer along with new pre-order options from December. The new menu is launched on Monday.

Not sure the Bia name will connect with non Irish passengers but I really like the idea.

Aer Lingus to boost its non-ticket revenue with flexible baggage fees

AER Lingus is developing new baggage fee structures and may introduce online duty-free shopping in a bid to further boost non-ticket revenue.

Speaking to the Irish Independent, chief executive Christoph Mueller confirmed that the airline might introduce new baggage fees that reflected the requirements of passengers on specific routes.

That means holidaymakers setting off with their children could include a greater luggage allowance in their booking at a price that the airline believes will offer value and prevent shock charges for overweight bags on checking in.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...lexible-baggage-fees-29739327.html

So longer routes will probabaly see higher allowance but for a higher cost while shorter routes will see less allowance but for a smaller cost?

Shamrock350


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 26525 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
Not sure the Bia name will connect with non Irish passengers but I really like the idea.

So according to the Irish dictionary online, it means feed, food or grub. Presumably it's to mean food or grub? Will I go with food? Anyone?  



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 26542 times:

I flew into DUB today on EI-FAV. I'm very impressed with the new cabin and overheads look much bigger. I travelled with just a backpack today and the load was in the mid 20s, so it's hard to tell if the new bins are a real improvement, but there is a lot more space on the floor under the seats too. The seats themselves are good, quite hard but comfortable for the type of flights Regional will use them on. The pleather seat coverings are a strange shade and not very nice to the touch, but overall a big improvement.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):

I'm interested to see what comes of this. skiDeli is an evolution of skyCafe, which itself was very similar to the original BOB menu. I think the chicken and stuffing has been going for a decade or more! Hopefully EI will give old favourites like this and the breakfast a new twist.
Bia, indeed means "food", certainly in the most common usage of the word. Bia blasta, is tasty food.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 26478 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 33):
Bia blasta, is tasty food.

It's always good to learn a new Irish word. I didn't know Cara meant friend until someone at college mentioned it right before our presentation on Aer Lingus. Needless to say I told him to mention it in the presentation  



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 26442 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 34):

Glad to educate!

Aer Lingus, is an anglicised version of Aer Liongeas " air fleet". Cara is indeed the Irish for friend, although carra can mean "article", so that works too. The pronunciation of cara is different in Irish too, the magazine tends to be described as cah-rah magazine, the Irish for friend is pronounced cha-ra, at least in Munster!



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 26219 times:

Just seen a QR 777-200 taxy past me in DUB. Didn't catch the reg, not sure if it was an ER or LR but it is in oneworld livery. Perhaps being repainted? They have a YouTube video of A7-AAA being painted in "Ireland" perhaps that's why it's here?


Just been reading the independents interview with Mr Muller. I wonder if the on-line duty free is related to the 757, which will, presumably, have less galley space than the A330 fleet. Perhaps pre-order on-line or on your out-bound on 757 routes would be most beneficial for those flights.

[Edited 2013-11-10 01:20:58]


Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 26021 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
Not sure the Bia name will connect with non Irish passengers but I really like the idea.

Though I like the idea of calling the menu after an Irish word, I do agree that it won't make sense to 50% of travellers on EI. Chances are many Irish people won't even know what it means. They should have stuck with Sky Deli or named it something more universal in my opinion.


User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26003 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 37):
Though I like the idea of calling the menu after an Irish word, I do agree that it won't make sense to 50% of travellers on EI. Chances are many Irish people won't even know what it means. They should have stuck with Sky Deli or named it something more universal in my opinion

The fact that it will have food and drinks listed on it for purchase will be enough for 99% of people - regardless of the name that appears at the top of the menu.



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 982 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26002 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
Just seen a QR 777-200 taxy past me in DUB. Didn't catch the reg, not sure if it was an ER or LR but it is in oneworld livery. Perhaps being repainted? They have a YouTube video of A7-AAA being painted in "Ireland" perhaps that's why it's here?

B777-300 A7-BAB departed Dublin this morning. It had arrived for painting on 30 October.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 25931 times:
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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 33):
I think the chicken and stuffing has been going for a decade or more!

Shame to see it disappear.....it was odd buy tasted lovely with a cuppa


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25846 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 37):

Its good marketing to Irishise a few things but your right as a foreigner I know more Irish than the locals more often than not  


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 24868 times:

The full Bia menu is now available on board and to view on the Aer Lingus website.

http://www.aerlingus.com/inflight-ex...in-europe-economy/introducing-bia/

No change to pricing but the chicken and stuffing sandwich is gone and Taytos are finally offered!


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 24699 times:

Wish you could get the Full Irish breakfast on the T/A flights. Would sure beat the septic orange juice that they hand out. But I guess it will not happen given that the food would have to originate in the USA.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 24478 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 42):
The full Bia menu is now available on board and to view on the Aer Lingus website.

I see the breakfast is now pre-order only, which I guess will cut down on waste. The rest of the menu looks good! Happy to finally see it online.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 24330 times:

I was wondering what the impending US / AA merger will mean for DUB. I cannot see the merged company offering 4 daily Summer flights ex DUB (to CLT, PHL, JFK, ORD). I wonder will they keep all 4 destinations but reduce the frequency by one per week so they offer 3 flights per day, or will a destination be dropped (probably CLT)


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 24070 times:

Some nice new routes from DUB on FR

Ryanair has announced nine new routes from Dublin from next April to Almeria, Bari, Basel, Bucharest, Chania, Comiso, Lisbon, Marrakesh and Prague which will create 300 additional jobs in 2014

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...w-routes-from-dublin-29752981.html


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 23819 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 46):
Some nice new routes from DUB on FR

Ryanair has announced nine new routes from Dublin from next April to Almeria, Bari, Basel, Bucharest, Chania, Comiso, Lisbon, Marrakesh and Prague which will create 300 additional jobs in 2014

Also increasing seats to the UK. Good news.


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23494 times:

Nice to see some new routes, particularly Basel which I'm rather fond of but everything else is very predictable of Ryanair. The big increases on UK routes tell me that Ryanair has obviously felt the pinch from Aer Lingus Regional, there's no denying that the Aer Lingus brand coupled with ATR aircraft and increased frequencies has hit the right note with passengers and now Ryanair is playing catch up with aircraft that are simply too big for the frequencies needed.

Although when Ryanair says 8 daily, I think that actually means 4 daily as they seem to count the return as well. Unless Thu really do plan to fly 8 times a day (16 return) to BHX!


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23325 times:

Looks like things with EI and crew base at SNN may be thankfully resolved
.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1115/486795-aer-lingus/



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23263 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 48):

Indeed Basel is a great city and a great gateway to the region.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 23222 times:
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Looks like the world is ending and pigs may actually be about to fly:

FR to "aggressively" target markets that demand customer service:

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-on-customer-service-29755882.html

"As somebody who endured the questionable pleasure of bringing four under-eight-year-olds to Peppa Pig World just outside Bournemouth last weekend, we will be designing a product specifically for families travelling with children under the age of 16."He added: "We'll also be announcing significant discounts for anyone who wants to accompany my wife and children whenever they next travel abroad." He's embracing the new customer service ethos with gusto.
"When the market tells you they want more customer service, I will customer service the s*** out of the market.""


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23339 times:

Never saw this one coming !!!

Westjet YYT-DUB
http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deal...tml?sm_cid=sm-tw-ge-20131115&mrd=0


User currently onlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23274 times:

Westjet announces Dublin. Now that is a surprise.

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deal...tml?sm_cid=sm-tw-ge-20131115&mrd=0

Implying connections to all over Europe I wonder is this part of a tie-up with EI, although not seemingly in the system.

[Edited 2013-11-15 04:46:53]

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23223 times:

Just don't tell the Shannon brigade about the Cliffs of Moher being near Dublin!

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=828

WestJet's first transatlantic route will cut the current travel time from St. John's to Dublin by nearly half, and in just about the same time it takes to fly from Toronto to Calgary, guests are able to experience ancient castles, cobblestone roads, and the Cliffs of Moher



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23183 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 54):
Just don't tell the Shannon brigade about the Cliffs of Moher being near Dublin!

Well with the new motorway network now it is.


User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23149 times:

This one seems to have come out of no where. I'm not sure about a tie up with EI given their current link with AC on flights to LHR, but maybe AC are pissed at EI launching their own flights to YYZ. I wasn't aware a 737-700 was ETOPS approved and not sure I'd want to fly on one transatlantic anyway, but maybe it's no different to a 752


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23126 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 54):

Just don't tell the Shannon brigade about the Cliffs of Moher being near Dublin!
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 54):
guests are able to experience ancient castles, cobblestone roads, and the Cliffs of Moher
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 55):
Well with the new motorway network now it is.

Motorway being downgraded to "cobblestone roads" to ensure no false advertising claims being lodged.

Quoting Eirules (Reply 56):
wasn't aware a 737-700 was ETOPS approved and not sure I'd want to fly on one transatlantic anyway, but maybe it's no different to a 752

It pretty much the same cabin diameter anyway. I would expect that the NG cabin is a bit nicer than a 15 year old B757 anyway.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23044 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 56):
I wasn't aware a 737-700 was ETOPS approved and not sure I'd want to fly on one transatlantic anyway, but maybe it's no different to a 752

I believe the ETOPS option is offered due to the BBJ, but it is used by a fair few other operators too.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22965 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 53):
Implying connections to all over Europe I wonder is this part of a tie-up with EI, although not seemingly in the system.

A tie up with EI connections to the UK provinces would be great, but considering the WS flight leaves DUB at 0820 in the morning this probably isn't going to be fed with many connections.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22785 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 52):

Yes its great to see and a nice route  


User currently offlineairfinglas From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 22668 times:

The Westjet news is great to hear. Just looked at a 3 day break in Sept 2014, €261 return. Cracking fare. St Johns looks like a great place to visit.

[Edited 2013-11-15 14:01:51]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22403 times:

Quoting airfinglas (Reply 61):

Yes its certainly popular on some other forums with a few Irish aviation guys booking trips  


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21987 times:

Great news from Westjet, I hope they are successful with their DUB venture.

I don't have the brains to work out, but if they were planning a link to Belfast, could they operate the 737-700 unrestricted into BHD?

Good luck to both EI and Westjet, some interesting trip reports to look forward to.



1APR14 Ireland Direct, 3 A380-9LR,Equiped Irish Bar & Casino. All Y+ seating. Serving DUB-PER-SYD/MEL
User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 21373 times:

Aer Lingus announce Hannover and Pula for next summer.

Aer Lingus announces new routes at Dublin and Shannon

Aer Lingus has today announced additions to its schedule for summer 2014 with new routes at Dublin and Shannon airports.

New routes from Dublin to Hanover and Pula (Croatia) will start from April, joining recently announced new services to San Francisco and Toronto.

There will also be additional frequency increases across a range of destinations from Dublin including Copenhagen, Corfu, Lanzarote, Lyons, Munich and Paris.

http://breakingnews.ie/business/aer-...-at-dublin-and-shannon-614591.html

Shannon to Malaga also announced and Cork to London Heathrow goes 5 daily again.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 21250 times:

WJ's PR man was talking about the carriers new service to DUB and has said that all the cheap $400 fares have sold out in the first 24hrs of reservations being open.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20950 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 63):

Yes it should do very well. There seems to be more interest in this than the EI YYZ route ironically!

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 64):

CFU did well last Summer so great to see extra capacity.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20848 times:

Quick question, just seen an article that shows Ryanair operated 84 routes from DUB in summer 2007, excluding the few that have come back can anyone recall what routes went and hadn't come back?

Also I've heard a whisper than some changes are being made at LHR T5 to allow Irish flights to have the same arrivals process as they currently do at T1, customs but no immigration.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days ago) and read 20768 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 67):
Also I've heard a whisper than some changes are being made at LHR T5 to allow Irish flights to have the same arrivals process as they currently do at T1, customs but no immigration.

I imagine they will have to do something. BA are not listed as a tenant for the new T2, so LHR will have to figure out a way to handle arrivals from Ireland either at T5 or at T3. I imagine BA would prefer to have DUB at T5 than T3.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days ago) and read 20767 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 66):

I need a little more research but I am guessing EI will have the advantage of free to use PTV's where I assume WS will charge their customers. I can unfortunately not comment yet on how AC & TS compare.

Nice cabin from EI shame that no wi-fi is mentioned.
http://www.aircontractors.com/solutions/single/aer-lingus-757

Using the Skyscanner app , the Canadian carriers are slightly cheaper than EI for my desired itinerary. EI seem to be around £40-60 more expensive.

Good luck to AC , EI , TS & WS I hope they will all be successful.

I look forward to reading reviews comparing the different experiences with these 4 carriers.
Also I noticed Hahn air appeared on Skyscanner result for direct flight [DUB-YYZ-DUB] around mid June if I recall correctly.



1APR14 Ireland Direct, 3 A380-9LR,Equiped Irish Bar & Casino. All Y+ seating. Serving DUB-PER-SYD/MEL
User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20626 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 67):

We had Aberdeen, Doncaster, Durham tees valley, Gothenburg, Tampere, Weeze to name a few then the likes of Budapest, Prague, Bremen, Basel, Almeria have all being resumed over the last while and then a few new places since 2007 such as Greece, Ibiza, Lisbon, Munich West, Palermo. I'm sure there is a couple more routes that were dropped but those are main ones I can think off. A lot of frequency on routes has being dropped since 2008.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20623 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 69):

I've never flown Y with AC over the Atlantic, and not sure how it differs from Rouge. This past week I've had some great flights with EI over the Atlantic. 40-60 EUR if you are a gold circle ember is probably worth the spend. I flew J out and Y back. I was impressed with the Y class service, sweet and sour pork with egg fried rice was tasty and there was a. Good fresh side salad, cheese and crackers and a delicious brownie. Very acceptable for a Y class meal. The tub of minute maid before landing is no longer called "breakfast". On one had a tea/coffee run might be better, but would probably disturb the cabin earlier.
The entertainment selection was excellent, something to cater for all tastes, the seats are very comfortable too.
There was a surprisingly large number of transfer passengers and for those travelling in J, priority baggage actually worked at both ness, something most other airlines have never managed.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20488 times:

Apparently US are to use an A330-200 on the DUB-PHL route next summer beginning March 29th and ending October 24th.

It is still showing up as a 767-200ER but this should change in due time.


---------

When exactly are EI to receive their 757's?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20425 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 72):
When exactly are EI to receive their 757's?

I was just wondering that when I saw the link Jambost kindly shared, above.

The 757s went to SNN some time ago for repainting, so we should see them quite soon. Doesn't seem to be any EI 757 flights scheduled this side of Christmas, but hopefully we'll see some photos. No doubt Malcolm Nason is waiting with his camera ...


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20403 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 66):
Yes it should do very well. There seems to be more interest in this than the EI YYZ route ironically!

I guess the SFO announcement has overshadowed YYZ for Aer Lingus, both routes need plenty of hype in the build up the launch as they could be quickly forgotten.

Quoting cipango (Reply 72):
When exactly are EI to receive their 757's?

Should be at SNN or at least of them definitely is. I assume everything is done there, cabin and paint as well so could be quite some time but it's been there around a month I think.

Anyone know when EI send the A330 to Novair, is it January when the 757s start?


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20374 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 74):
Anyone know when EI send the A330 to Novair, is it January when the 757s start?

December, flights are due to begin around the 10th. Its supposed to be EI-DAA that's going but that may of changed.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20319 times:

I had checked the schedule for the 21st December quite recently (in the hope that there might be a 330 free to operate LHR-DUB flights!) and all three 332s were being used.

User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20432 times:
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Quoting cipango (Reply 72):

Always wanted to see US use there A330 to DUB! But where did you get this information from?



Dhún Na Ngall Abú!
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20380 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 77):
Always wanted to see US use there A330 to DUB! But where did you get this information from?

Can be found here.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20230 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 67):
Quick question, just seen an article that shows Ryanair operated 84 routes from DUB in summer 2007, excluding the few that have come back can anyone recall what routes went and hadn't come back?

From the DAA Summer 2007 Guide & Timetable, FR operated the following routes:

Aberdeen (ABZ) 5x weekly
Alghero (AHO) 2x weekly
Alicante (ALC) 5x weekly
Almería (LEI) 2x weekly
Baden Baden (FKB) 5x weekly
Berlin (SXF) daily
Biarritz (BIQ) 5x weekly
Billund (BLL) 4x weekly
Birmingham (BHX) 17x weekly
Blackpool (BLK) daily
Bournemouth (BOH) daily
Bratislava (BTS) 3x weekly
Bremen (BRE) 4x weekly
Bristol (BRS) 30x weekly
Brussels (CRL) 12x weekly
Bydgoszcz (BZG) 2x weekly
Carcassonne (CCF) 5x weekly
Cork (ORK) 33x weekly
Doncaster (DSA) daily
Durham Tees Valley (MME) 6x weekly
East Midlands (EMA) 3x daily
Edinburgh (EDI) 3x daily
Eindhoven (EIN) daily
Faro (FAO) daily
Forlì (FRL) 4x weekly
Frankfurt (HHN) 12x weekly
Friedrichshafen (FDH) 3x weekly
Fuerteventura (FUE) 3x weekly
Girona/Costa Brava (GRO) daily
Glasgow (PIK) 19x weekly
Gothenburg (GSE) 3x weekly
Grenoble (GNB) 3x weekly
Hamburg (LBC) daily
Kaunas (KUN) 6x weekly
Kraków (KRK) 5x weekly
La Rochelle (LRH) 3x weekly
Leeds/Bradford (LBA) 3x daily
Liverpool (LPL) 3x daily
Łodź (LCJ) 3x weekly
London (LGW) 6x daily
London (LTN) 23x weekly
London (STN) 8x daily
Madrid (MAD) daily
Málaga (AGP) 4x weekly
Malmö (MMX) 3x weekly
Malta (MLA) 3x weekly
Manchester (MAN) 27x weekly
Marseille (MRS) 4x weekly
Milan (BGY) daily
Murcia (MJV) daily
Nantes (NTE) 4x weekly
Newcastle (NCL) 2x daily
Paris (BVA) 19x weekly
Pisa (PSA) daily
Porto (OPO) 3x weekly
Poznań (POZ) 3x weekly
Pula (PUY) 3x weekly
Reus (REU) daily
Riga (RIX) daily
Rome (CIA) 10x weekly
Rzeszów (RZE) 2x weekly
Salzburg (SZG) 3x weekly
Sandefjord (TRF) 5x weekly
Seville (SVQ) 3x weekly
Stockholm (VST) 6x weekly
Tampere (TMP) 4x weekly
Tenerife (TFN) 4x weekly
Trapani (TPS) 2x weekly
Turin (TRN) 2x weekly
Valencia (VLC) 3x weekly
Venice (TSF) 4x weekly
Vitoria (VIT) 4x weekly
Warsaw (WAW) daily
Wrocław (WRO) 4x weekly

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Fast forward to Summer 2013 and the following destinations were offered by FR (again, according to the DAA official Guide & Timetable):

Alghero (AHO) 2x weekly
Alicante (ALC) daily
Barcelona (BCN) daily
Berlin (SXF) 5x weekly
Biarritz (BIQ) 5x weekly
Birmingham (BHX) 3x daily
Bologna (BLQ) 3x weekly
Bratislava (BTS) 6x weekly
Bremen (BRE) 3x weekly
Bristol (BRS) 17x weekly
Brussels (CRL) 12x weekly
Budapest (BUD) 5x weekly
Bydgoszcz (BZG) 3x weekly
Carcassonne (CCF) 5x weekly
East Midlands (EMA) 2x daily
Edinburgh (EDI) 2x daily
Eindhoven (EIN) daily
Faro (FAO) 16x weekly
Frankfurt (HHN) 4x weekly
Fuerteventura (FUE) 3x weekly
Gdansk (GDN) 4x weekly
Girona/Costa Brava (GRO) 5x weekly
Glasgow (PIK) 11x weekly
Gran Canaria (LPA) 4x weekly
Ibiza (IBZ) 3x weekly
Katowice (KTW) 3x weekly
Kaunas (KUN) 6x weekly
Kraków (KRK) daily
La Rochelle (LRH) 2x weekly
Lanzarote (ACE) daily
Leeds/Bradford (LBA) 2x daily
Liverpool (LPL) 22x weekly
Łodź (LCJ) 2x weekly
London (LGW) 31x weekly
London (LTN) 3x daily
London (STN) 47x weekly
Lublin (LUZ) 2x weekly
Maastricht (MST) 3x weekly
Madrid (MAD) daily
Málaga (AGP) 24x weekly
Malta (MLA) 4x weekly
Manchester (MAN) 25x weekly
Marseille (MRS) 2x weekly
Memmingen (FMM) 4x weekly
Milan (BGY) daily
Moss/Rygge (RYG) 4x weekly
Murcia (MJV) daily
Nantes (NTE) 4x weekly
Newcastle (NCL) 9x weekly
Nice (NCE) 2x weekly
Palermo (PMO) 2x weekly
Palma de Mallorca (PMI) daily
Paris (BVA) 12x weekly
Pisa (PSA) 4x weekly
Porto (OPO) 2x weekly
Poznań (POZ) 4x weekly
Reus (REU) 12x weekly
Riga (RIX) daily
Rodez (RDZ) 2x weekly
Rome (CIA) daily
Rzeszów (RZE) 3x weekly
Santander (SDR) 2x weekly
Seville (SVQ) 2x weekly
Stockholm (NYO) 3x weekly
Szczecin (SZZ) 2x weekly
Tallinn (TLL) 2x weekly
Tenerife (TFS) 4x weekly
Tours (TUF) 2x weekly
Valencia (VLC) 2x weekly
Venice (TSF) 3x weekly
Vilnius (VNO) 3x weekly
Warsaw (WAW) 6x weekly
Wrocław (WRO) 5x weekly
Zadar (ZAD) 2x weekly

New summer routes (since 2007):
BCN
BUD
GDN
LPA
IBZ
KTW
ACE
LUZ
FMM
NCE
PMO
PMI
RDZ
SZZ
TLL
VNO
ZAD

Summer route closures (since 2007)
LEI
FKB
BLL
BLK
BOH
ORK
DSA
MME
FDH
GSE
GNB
MMX
PUY
TMP
TPS
TRN
VIT

Airport changes (from 2007 to 2013):
FRL > BLQ
TRF > RYG
VST > NYO
TFN > TFS



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20034 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 78):

It will be good for Premium pax also. I used the Envoy flatbeds last year and they were great!


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 19855 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 80):
It will be good for Premium pax also. I used the Envoy flatbeds last year and they were great!

True, Envoy on the 757 and 767 is very dated and hard to compete with the likes of United, Are Lingus and Delta.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 19778 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 81):

Indeed its one reason I flew CLT-LGW over PHL-DUB. There is a big difference in product.


User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 19693 times:

Great to see more transatlantic growth from DUB next Summer. Over the last few years we've seen AA add JFK, DL increase Summer capacity to ATL with the 330 and JFK going double daily for peak season, US add CLT, UA add IAD (albeit at the expense of the second EWR flight) and now EI returning to SFO and adding YYZ.

What's next? I personally think another carrier could fly to BOS, perhaps DL as they fly BOS to LHR. And I think ORD could sustain a second carrier year round, would UA do it with a 752 or would it be too much of a stretch?



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 19619 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 83):
What's next? I personally think another carrier could fly to BOS, perhaps DL as they fly BOS to LHR. And I think ORD could sustain a second carrier year round, would UA do it with a 752 or would it be too much of a stretch?

I can't see UA opening DUB when they have a successful seasonal operation at SNN. They also don't have any competition on this route. Maybe DUB-West Coast with the 787 in a few years...although I don't know how big their expansion plans are from LAX.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 19540 times:

I see UA are to restart daily IAD-MAD flights next year. The service will be operated by their own Boeing 757-200s.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 19400 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 71):

Thanks for the feedback Brian, your description of EI brought back fond memories of my experience with EK.
   for EI.

- James



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User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 19328 times:

Aer Lingus will use an A330 to fly 40 tonnes of aid to the Philippines on Sunday.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish...ws/aer-lingus-goal-team-up-2813328

I remember them doing the same after the earthquake in Haiti.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 19280 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 87):
Aer Lingus will use an A330 to fly 40 tonnes of aid to the Philippines on Sunday.

Its actually only to Dubai and then it will be distributed from there.


User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18809 times:
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Aer Lingus has added a great touch to one of its A321's EI-CPH. It's great to see Aer Lingus helping to raise awareness for Men's Health!



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18451 times:

Hearing that - subject to confirmation - great news for the people of Beijing. Finally, after many decades of pining, the Chinese capital will finally be linked to Dublin; there'll be ceilis in Forbidden City and Riverdancing in Tianenmen Square.

Air China is to launch an A330 service to Dublin from April.

In other news, SK will increase services from DUB to OSL and CPH next Summer; CPH to increase by 9% (I'm wondering it that means A319s, or 73Gs - or extra flights with existing types?)


User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18258 times:

Fantastic news if true. Further long haul growth ex DUB and into such a major economy. Cargo will also benefit hugely. Makes we wonder why EI once again let someone jump onto a route ahead of them but that's another story


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18150 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 90):
Air China is to launch an A330 service to Dublin from April.

Hopefully the direct and not the tag on that was mentioned.

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Cityjet to increase DUB-LCY to 34 weekly in 2014. 29 with RJ's and 5 with F50's .

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New lounge to open at SNN dedicated to private jets.

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Germanwings to take over from Eurowings on the DUB-DUS route and increasing from 2pw to 4pw for Summer 2014.

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Quoting kaitak (Reply 90):
DUB to OSL

OSL increases by 11% . Its extra seats by larger A/C and not flights.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18089 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 91):
Makes we wonder why EI once again let someone jump onto a route ahead of them but that's another story

Fleet limitations would be the obvious first suggestion.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18051 times:
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Quoting Eirules (Reply 91):
Makes we wonder why EI once again let someone jump onto a route ahead of them but that's another story
Quoting EIDL (Reply 93):

Fleet limitations would be the obvious first suggestion.

Indeed. DUB-SFO is a big decision in terms of fleet usage.....at this point EI need another 1-2 wide-bodies to grow their longhaul network.


User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18000 times:

Partly agree. But yet EI are sub leasing an A330 for next few months...


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17980 times:
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Any chance we ll see EI at LCA any time soon?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17993 times:

Some good news for BFS :

Increase in Belfast business paying dividends for easyJet

easyJet passenger numbers from Belfast have grown around 16% in the last year as a ploy to target business flyers and older holiday makers pays off, the carrier said.

Passenger numbers out of Belfast International, where easyJet employs 240 people, were 1.5m last year, according to UK commercial manager Ali Gayward.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...ividends-for-easyjet-29768336.html


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17984 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 90):
Air China is to launch an A330 service to Dublin from April.

I always thought it would be Hainan Airlines to fly to Dublin if there were to be a link to China!

I will definitely be using this flight often should it be confirmed!


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17800 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 95):
Partly agree. But yet EI are sub leasing an A330 for next few months...

There isn't a major fleet utilisation issue over winter; there is in the summer.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17583 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 96):
Any chance we ll see EI at LCA any time soon?

The market for Cyprus is not as popular as it was from Ireland. At its peak there were 6-7 operators selling packages prior to the economic issues but major changes in the Irish package holiday market with a lot of consolidation has changed the playing field quite a bit. Unless we see an operator dedicated to a Cyprus program I can't see EI making LCA work. EI rely on selling their holiday routes ( some more than others ) with the help of Irish Tour Operators.

In the old days Cyprus was high up the destination table with very few Greek Island flights. Now it has changed and Greece is more popular. ATH,CFU,HER,ZTH and new for 2014 is RHO.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17403 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 91):

Aer Lingus made it clear a few times that they have no interest in flying to China from Dublin. If they were interested they would of operated it.

Thinking also that a Air China would have operating costs on there side to make the route workable, EI wouldn't. It's also nice to see other carriers at DUB that the usual EI and FR.

[Edited 2013-11-24 06:21:07]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 17411 times:

It's also very good for trade to other North Asian countries, such as South Korea (even North Korea, since CA is the only foreign airline flying there), Japan and of course, HK and Taiwan.

I hope that all the proverbial ducks are in a row for this, and we make sure there are no silly obstacles like visa delays/restrictions. Dublin is one of the last major European capitals not to have a link to the PRC, so we really need to be off the blocks and running alongside CA, to make sure they can increase this service and maybe in time operate an all-cargo service (they're just about to take delivery of their first 772F).


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17339 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 102):
even North Korea, since CA is the only foreign airline flying there

It will be full of people taking advantage of a one stop to Pyongyang!   


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17217 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 103):
It will be full of people taking advantage of a one stop to Pyongyang!

Absolutely; and Kim Jong-Un will be coming over to do an audition for Love/Hate.

Seriously, though, even if this starts out as a one stop - CA still to confirm - we have our foot in the Chinese door, so let's hope this can be made to work. EK and EY are very important too, but China is such a massive (and massively important market) that this has to be made to work.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17218 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 104):
Love/Hate.

Im sure they have better programs in NK than that shite !  
Quoting kaitak (Reply 104):
even if this starts out as a one stop - CA still to confirm

Id be more interested to see a tag with a nice 5th freedom a bit like the MUC-ATH-PEK route. That is purely from an enthusiasts view though and not a business one.  


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17230 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 88):
Its actually only to Dubai and then it will be distributed from there.

Makes more sense.

Aer Lingus tweeted live from the flight today, posting photos and updates of its progress. A video was just uploaded a while ago as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lss1lz18vZ4

Fair play to everyone involved.


User currently offlineshamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16999 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 106):

Here's a photo from the Aer Lingus twitter feed, EI-ELA inflight at 40,000FT on the way back from Dubai.


Aer Lingus EI-ELA inflight from Dubai 24/11/13 after an aid flight.



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16695 times:

Ryanair DUB - Moscow and St Petersburg?

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/201...ra-vers-la-russie-en-mars-2014.php


If so, along with Beijing (rumoured), San Francisco, St Johns, and a raft of new capacity to Toronto, Pula, Hannover, Marrakesh, Comiso, and the many others, 2014 looks fairly promising.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16663 times:

There might be some more to come from Ryanair too - apparently 26 slot pairs at Amsterdam have been applied for, for routes to all the normal suspects, including DUB (But not any other Irish airport, surprisingly enough).

Apparently, AMS is also an option for base selection for new applicant crew for some of FR's contract crew suppliers...



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16643 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 108):
Ryanair DUB - Moscow and St Petersburg?

That was first touted last Autumn so would be good to see it.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16638 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 110):
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 108):Ryanair DUB - Moscow and St Petersburg?That was first touted last Autumn so would be good to see it.

MOL played down any Ireland-Russia routes during one of his "Twitter Chats". Still though, FR are characteristically unpredicable.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16535 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 110):

That was first touted last Autumn so would be good to see it.

I had heard expansion East was the next move but i wasn't sure if this was to mean Russia or the Ukraine or both. Looks like Russia initially.
Great to see this. I think EI may have missed the boat on this too.


User currently onlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16378 times:

Russian flights now being reported on RTE and the Irish Times. Lots of new destinations being announced lately. Is this indicative of a more optimistic business sentiment in Ireland now? Being out of the country I would be somewhat oblivious to the hear say discussions that might be indicative of this.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...-for-dublin-moscow-route-1.1606841


User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16331 times:

FR in Russia?! whoo hoo!! Finally a chance to go home for normal prices again. Moscow to Dublin prices have increased alot in the last year or so!


my luggage is better travelled than me!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16329 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 111):
MOL played down any Ireland-Russia routes during one of his "Twitter Chats". Still though, FR are characteristically unpredicable.

Well a denial sometimes means its true.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 112):
Great to see this. I think EI may have missed the boat on this too.

Although in fairness Aer Lingus can only do so much. They have not done too badly so far with expansion plans.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 113):
Is this indicative of a more optimistic business sentiment in Ireland now? Being out of the country I would be somewhat oblivious to the hear say discussions that might be indicative of this.

It all depends on your individual situation. No one has the same answer and depending on where you are in the country is very much a decider in the confidence for the future. Whilst larger business leaders are quite up beat SME's are more cautious. Some are worried if we might need another bail out down the road due to external factors. I guess these are all valid optimism and worries.

Personally I think the worst is behind us and whilst caution is needed and it will never be like it was before things are getting better. The aviation sector both inbound and outbound has made a significant improvement and hopefully this will be added to over the next 18-24 months.

It will be interesting to see what happens at SNN over the next 2 years. It would be nice to get more L/H stopovers. I was always in doubt about PIA and it seems like I said before history is repeating itself. I saw a comment that IR might use SNN with CBP now the ice is melting between the two countries. THR-SNN-JFK might sound crazy now but stranger things have happened !


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16104 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 114):

FR in Russia?! whoo hoo!! Finally a chance to go home for normal prices again. Moscow to Dublin prices have increased alot in the last year or so!

Im hoping to take advantage of the cheaper introductory fares.

Do you know when this will be announced?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16059 times:

Good news for FR - and Russia! We have links to two superpowers within a week, Comrades!

I was wondering if FR could do an overnight flight from DUB to LED and MOW (have they said whether it's DME or SVO?); e.g. Depart DUB at 2200, arrive c. 0530, depart 0600, arrive DUB c. 08.30?

Also, it will be interesting to see how MO'L deals with the Russian authorities; somehow I doubt if he'll be as rude to/about them as he has been about the Irish/EU authorities. Maybe we'll see a headline: "Irish airline boss held in Lubyanka; beats self repeatedly with truncheon."


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 115):
I was always in doubt about PIA and it seems like I said before history is repeating itself

It's still in the pipeline according to the powers that be. Personally though, I can't see it happening anymore. I'd love to see PK at SNN however!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15914 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 118):
It's still in the pipeline according to the powers that be. Personally though, I can't see it happening anymore. I'd love to see PK at SNN however!

Ive seen it all before as I said when it was first announced. They did the same thing the last time they touted SNN as a stopover. The problem with these type of airlines is that they are here today and gone tomorrow so I do not see the benefit to SNN unless PIA gets itself back to what it was in the old days when at least it was respected.

For us Anetters it would be good to see their metal on the ground but for long term reliable business it should not be relied upon by SNN for their profits. I am willing to be proved wrong though and maybe after 6-12 months of smooth operations I might change my mind.

We just need to keep their pilots away from the Uisce beatha     


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1490 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15671 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 117):
Depart DUB at 2200, arrive c. 0530, depart 0600, arrive DUB c. 08.30

Boy, would you like to be a flight attendant on that rotation! Cant see that one working, however convenient for passengers.


User currently onlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2188 posts, RR: 5
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15444 times:

Apparently FR are to open a base in FCO from next month, initially with a few domestic flights, BRU, yes BRU & not CRL will be started too. Italian domestic routes from CIA will be transferred to FCO in due course allowing more international expansion from CIA. (Source: Ryanair website)

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15382 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 120):
Boy, would you like to be a flight attendant on that rotation! Cant see that one working, however convenient for passengers.

No, but whatever times they operate, it will be a 9h+ working day; I just think it makes sense to make use of acft downtime.


User currently offlineteahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 122):
No, but whatever times they operate, it will be a 9h+ working day; I just think it makes sense to make use of acft downtime.

True, but Ryanair haven't made m(any) attempts at creative overnight scheduling. On the other hand, there are quite a few examples of it on the easyJet and Wizz Air network.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15329 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 122):
No, but whatever times they operate, it will be a 9h+ working day; I just think it makes sense to make use of acft downtime.
Quoting teahan (Reply 123):
True, but Ryanair haven't made m(any) attempts at creative overnight scheduling. On the other hand, there are quite a few examples of it on the easyJet and Wizz Air network.

There are good reasons why FR may not want to go down that road. FR's model is operationally simple. When you start to go down the road of operating short haul sectors in the night hours, you start to run into complications particularly with regard to crew legalities. Operating such an overnight sector will impact the number of hours crew can work, and likely place extra onus on rest periods - and in an operation as well oiled as Ryanair's, it just might not make sense to take that penalty for the sake of operating one route.

Remember, these times of operation are not passenger preferences - sure, they might allow the proverbial "full business day", but try sleeping on a five hour overnight in a Ryanair seat.

Likely, passengers will want a civilised time of service - hence why all other airlines, expect the loco's trying to sweat assets, operate sensible, civilised schedules to Moscow.



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User currently offlinenightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14710 times:

Not sure if you have heard or if it is true but

Quote:
Travelbiz has learnt a new 4 times a week flight from Dublin to Beijing with Air China is scheduled to take off early next year in 2014.



The ever increasing number of Chinese living and studying in Ireland, together with the growing middle class in China, who love travelling, this could be a fantastic opportunity for Irish travel agents to offer packages to China.



Although the numbers travelling to China are not available, several airlines have told Travelbiz it is an important and growing market from Ireland. However, there are a large number of friends and relatives travelling which makes it a price sensitive market.
http://travelbiz.ie/newsstory/Direct_flights_from_Dublin_to_Beijing



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14244 times:

EIR will be replacing EI on DUB-JER next summer, capacity will be more less the same but better freq with EIR.

User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14147 times:

They have it on sale currently:

DUB-JER 11.40-13.30
JER-DUB 14.00-16.00

Operates Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday all Summer while Monday and Tuesday flights operate between 1 June and 7 September.

Would be nice to see it in winter but not sure if it happen, possibly a Friday and Sunday service might work.

[Edited 2013-12-03 06:11:26 by SA7700]

User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13330 times:

Major new developments had DUB on the front page twice relating to Westjet and FR's Russian plans.
Now we rest patiently awaiting new Chinese/Russian route announcements,

Interesting developments with FR MOW & LED , however I fear that will wipe out the chance of seeing SU or even FV [Rossiya] in DUB.

Does anyone know what the S7 's 2012/13 seasonal load factors are like?

[Edited 2013-11-30 15:19:09]

[Edited 2013-12-03 06:09:30 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 132):
Interesting developments with FR MOW & LED , however I fear that will wipe out the chance of seeing SU or even FV [Rossiya] in DUB.

Does anyone know what the S7 's 2012/13 seasonal load factors are like?

Loads with S7 are very good, and they have panned a capacity increase for 2014 however with it only being one weekly, it would be very worrying if loads were not doing well. Its hard to know if FR will fly to Russia, as in the last conference call they said the Irish-Russia market was to small to fly in. Then we have this weeks lather. Who knows what will happen.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12901 times:

As I posted in the Turkish Thread it seems we will get another increase in frequencies as TK continue to perform well on the DUB-IST route.

User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 134):

Is that just the planned 10-12 weekly increase of something other than that?


User currently offlineflynikiguy From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

Hey Everyone,

I do not post here often but I am loyal observer but in light of recent developments in Irish aviation I would like to add my two cents. From phenomenal passenger decline and nominal growth, 2013 is shaping up to be a bumper year for Dublin in particular but also SNN and NOC and hopefully my own ORK. From mid 2008, we have had little good news in this country or indeed this forum. I think it is fair to say, we entered unchartered and turbulent waters. However, as the government are so keen to stress, green shots are appearing. Over the last two years, we have had many exciting new route announcements from EI, flying to destinations such as STR, ARN, CPH, CFU, places which all should have been successful when money was plenty. A growing hub at DUB with the help of Aer Arann is certainly helping to deliver a stronger, more stable and sustainable Aer Lingus, a carrier which has continuously improved its product and choice to customers and should be commended for doing so. The choice of new destinations and improved frequencies from EK, THY, BA, DY, UA, US are putting DUB on the map and providing a more credible alternative to the Euro hubs. Failte Ireland have worked hard to bring tourists back to Ireland, to an Ireland that represents better value and delivering a more consistent product. It is nice to see small and big business alike fighting tooth and nail to improve quality and innovation, something that we lost during the boom. 2014 is looking like its going to be a bumper year for passenger growth at many Irish airports and hopefully it will translate into real growth. Why it had to take this long for Ireland to realise we have to compete and compete to win is beyond me. It should not have taken this long. Maybe I will eat my words, but I think 2014 will truly be a new beginning for us. People and businesses have worked hard and taken many cuts on the chin over the last few years and its time to stop looking at the ground and look to the future. I hope we never lose the drive that is in the country now. Congrats to the DAA for working hard to secure new links (please please more VIE or SZG, GRZ or LNZ) and expanded operations, I am sure they will have the crowd in MAN, BHX and the moaners up in Belfast green with envy  

flynikiguy   sorry for the spiel


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

A joint Shannon Airport/Aer Lingus Regional press conference will take place at SNN on Wednesday at 10:00 with details of additional services for 2014. Let the speculation begin!

My guesses are any or some of the following:
SEN
CWL
BRS
NCL

Or they could surprise us all and launch a completely new destination (EMA? SOU? BRU?).

[Edited 2013-12-02 08:47:32]


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12114 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 137):
Or they could surprise us all and launch a completely new destination (EMA? SOU? BRU?).

I don't see them starting a new destination from SNN. If they were to start EMA or SOU they would probably start it from DUB first.

My guess would be either EDI, SEN, NCL, BRS or GLA.

Although BE fly to GLA from SNN, I still wouldn't rule it out.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 138):
My guess would be either EDI

They already fly SNN-EDI daily. They also fly to MAN and BHX; their past routes are GLA, BRS and RNS.



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User currently onlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12086 times:

BRS has been strongly rumoured around the airport to restart for sometime,summer 2014 is looking like a busy one for SNN no matter what is announced.Also a lot of talk about another transatlantic destination to come.

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Quoting SURFER (Reply 140):
Also a lot of talk about another transatlantic destination to come.

Perhaps the return of ATL with DL?


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11794 times:

Quoting SURFER (Reply 140):
Also a lot of talk about another transatlantic destination to come.
Quoting cipango (Reply 141):
Perhaps the return of ATL with DL?

It's getting a bit late in the day for a new transatlantic route announcement in time for Summer 2014. The airport is pursuing ATL and increased capacity to YYZ and BOS (according to The Route Shop; I'd say the latter doesn't apply anymore now that EI are going 5x weekly/daily). Aside from these, what else could there be? IAD with UA? CLT with US? BOS with DL or AA? A new link to NYC?

I'd love to know what ever happened to the UN MOW-SNN-MIA idea.



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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11738 times:
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Now that we're in the final month of 2013 when about will we see the EI 757's roll out of the hanger in shannon and are all three 757's now in shannon? Always wanted to see a 757 in the Aer Lingus livery!


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User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Here's EI-LAX off on her winter lease to Novair, seen at OSL today.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ingerbf/11179423654/

Come back soon Mella!

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 143):
Now that we're in the final month of 2013 when about will we see the EI 757's roll out of the hanger in shannon and are all three 757's now in shannon? Always wanted to see a 757 in the Aer Lingus livery!

Apparently waiting for a painting slot.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanair/11151225063/

Hopefully we'll see it before Christmas!


User currently onlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 142):
It's getting a bit late in the day for a new transatlantic route announcement in time for Summer 2014. The airport is pursuing ATL and increased capacity to YYZ and BOS (according to The Route Shop; I'd say the latter doesn't apply anymore now that EI are going 5x weekly/daily). Aside from these, what else could there be? IAD with UA? CLT with US? BOS with DL or AA? A new link to NYC?

I'd love to know what ever happened to the UN MOW-SNN-MIA idea

It isnt too late look at the Westjet announcement to DUB that was made only two weeks ago so plenty of time.No idea what happened the proposed UN service to MIA all talk about that has well and truely died a bit like PIA which is definetly not going to happen.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11455 times:

Has anything come of the rumour of the 757's being given retro liveries, or was that just wishful thinking by enthusiasts?

User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10855 times:

Aer Lingus Regional have announced a new daily service from Shannon to Bristol along with frequency increases on Manchester (3 daily) and Birmingham (2 daily) from April. The expansion will see an additional ATR based at the airport, 20 new jobs and 100,000 extra passengers a year.

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 143):

Great news, the early MAN and BHX flights fit nicely for connections to JFK and BOS and vice versa.

This really has been an unbelievable first year for the new Shannon Airport Authority. To recap:

- 31 January: BE announces 3x weekly year-round SNN-GLA
- 12 February: FR announces increase of SNN-PMI and SNN-AGP frequencies for Summer 2013
- 13 March: EI re-opens seasonal transatlantic flights three weeks earlier than previous years
- 21 March: FR announces 2x weekly seasonal SNN-ALC
- 01 May: EI launches 2x weekly seasonal SNN-FAO
- 23 May: US returns to daily seasonal SNN-PHL after four-year hiatus
- 07 June: UA launches 5x weekly seasonal SNN-ORD
- 03 July: EI announces frequency increase on SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK for 2014
- 02 August: FR announces SNN-LPL to go year-round
- 15 August: EI announces seasonal weekly SNN-ACE for Winter 2013/14
- 14 October: UA announces 88% capacity increase on SNN-ORD for Summer 2014
- 24 October: FR announces SNN-SXF, BVA, FUE, WMO, FAO, FMM, NCE and KRK for 2014
- 18 November: EI announces 2x weekly seasonal SNN-AGP for Summer 2014
- 04 December: RE returns to SNN-BRS, capacity increases on SNN-MAN and SNN-BHX in 2014

It looks like the separation from the DAA is working in spite of what some members here predicted. I wouldn't put the above down to coincidence.

[Edited 2013-12-04 03:23:41]


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User currently offlineRufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10804 times:

Hey Folk,

Did i just see EI-LAX at DUB? thought she was off flying for Novair.


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10793 times:

Quoting Rufusisgod (Reply 145):
Did i just see EI-LAX at DUB? thought she was off flying for Novair.

FlightRadar does show it back in DUB as NVR9732 but it must have come straight from Tobago as it was there last night!


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Quoting Rufusisgod (Reply 145):
Did i just see EI-LAX at DUB? thought she was off flying for Novair.

Like all things Irish, she must be a real home bird.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 146):

Had a technical fault.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 143):

Good to see SNN being linked to more UK cities. Hopefully they can build on it more as time goes on.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Some very interesting comments from Cristoph Muller at the UK aviation club. This should breath some life into this thread for a while.


https://twitter.com/PEdmondAero - All comments below are from the above source

Patrick is Director of Group Strategy for Shannon Airport, & Managing Director of the International Aviation Services Centre there.




85% of EI tickets overall, and 90% of connecting tickets, are sold online.

We are a hub carrier. Irish efforts to conquer the world over centuries have resulted in an Irish diaspora of 70m, our home market.

Müller: what went wrong with previous incarnation of @aerlingus? We had adopted a me-too strategy.

Müller: to be honest, we never became a low-cost carrier. Our employees remained friendly despite efforts to demotivate them.

Müller: the Irish passenger market is 70% of what it was at the peak. We celebrate every percentage point that comes back.

Müller: we saw Ryanair's success was based on a one-off cheap aircraft deal, & on state aids which would ultimately be challenged.

Müller: 50% of pax at Zurich are time-sensitive. 15% of @aerlingus pax are time-sensitive. We have to serve very diverse markets.

Müller: we now have wifi on long-haul aircraft, free for C class, and will introduce lie-flat seats in 2015.

Müller: we have to break the view that ancillary revenues as "hidden charges" - should be food/relaxation/less stress. We sell components.

Müller: that's what a value carrier is. We sell components [of the journey] to be assembled by our customers.

Müller: challenges ahead: costs can never be too low. My biggest enemy is now complacency. Now looking at very revolutionary IT solutions.

Müller: customers want to have the choice between Volkswagen, Audi and Seat... and we don't want to be Seat!

Müller: the third runway of @HeathrowAirport does exist ...and it's in Dublin!

Müller: home market growth too sluggish, so we had to invent new products, eg Little Red and Novair.

Müller: Washington-Madrid was very profitable for us, but it had labour issues.

Müller: our partners all belong to different alliances. Is it a problem? No.

Müller: the high time of the alliances is over, & will be replaced with JVs. We have decided not to join an alliance, & are happy with this.

Müller: European markets have matured. Despite 20-30% discounting by LCCs, market is not responding with volume growth.

Müller: if you have visited your mother in law 3 times in the last quarter, even a low fare will not induce you to visit her again!

Müller: diversification of LCCs into prime airports is because they can no longer place 159 new aircraft in secondary-secondary markets.

Müller: I'm concerned re training, but for me the light at the end of the tunnel is the new back-to-basics A350 pilot training regime.

Müller: we've augmented our booking system with software from @datalex to create a "super-PNR" & allow us add other elements to the booking.

Müller: we have 9 firm A350 orders, but aircraft is a bit overspecced for us. We were tempted to retain A330HGW instead, but: 1/2

Müller: since A350-900 REGIONAL became available, these fit us - we felt much more comfortable, so we will take 9 of these and go all-A350.

and my fav..

Müller: in a few months time we will celebrate 100 years of commercial aviation, 100 years of destroying value!  

[Edited 2013-12-04 07:39:33]

[Edited 2013-12-04 07:42:29]


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10496 times:

Theres another interesting comment from Muller further down the twitter page...


Müller: we basically have only 2 uncompeted routes from DUB: Amsterdam & Orlando, & Orlando doesn't contribute to our success.

https://twitter.com/PEdmondAero



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10552 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):

Nothing really earth shattering there . Very true about the Alliance comment though. Certainly for EI it pays to link with everyone.


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Müller is becoming known for his own one liners these days!

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müller: we have 9 firm A350 orders, but aircraft is a bit overspecced for us. We were tempted to retain A330HGW instead, but: 1/2

Müller: since A350-900 REGIONAL became available, these fit us - we felt much more comfortable, so we will take 9 of these and go all-A350.

Well that was close! I think we all knew the A350 order was in some doubt, CM said quite early on that the A350 was too much airplane so it's nice to see the 'Regional' offering seems to have secured this order.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müller: if you have visited your mother in law 3 times in the last quarter, even a low fare will not induce you to visit her again!

I love this one but why on earth would you fly 3 times in one quarter to see you mother in law in the first place 


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 144):
This really has been an unbelievable first year for the new Shannon Airport Authority

Not sure if this route operated before, but I just noticed Helvetic Airways will be operating a weekly ZRH-SNN flight from May to end of August

http://www.helvetic.com/hdc/destination/snn/flightplan



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müller: to be honest, we never became a low-cost carrier. Our employees remained friendly despite efforts to demotivate them.
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müller: Washington-Madrid was very profitable for us, but it had labour issues.

Very interesting. Maybe management are learning not to mess about with a loyal and long standing workforce whom understand the brand and customer perhaps more so than the ever changing leadership teams.



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10212 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 156):
Very interesting. Maybe management are learning not to mess about with a loyal and long standing workforce whom understand the brand and customer perhaps more so than the ever changing leadership teams.

Seems that not enough has changed.
Aer Lingus didn't release their cabin roster for Xmas and New Year until yesterday. Probable the most awaited shift pattern all year was 5 days late.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müeller: since A350-900 REGIONAL became available, these fit us - we felt much more comfortable, so we will take 9 of these and go all-A350.

Thats a pretty definite statement. any ahve any ideas on how this will affect deliery schedule. EI already have the 1st deliveries pushed back to H1 2016.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):

Müeller: the third runway of @HeathrowAirport does exist ...and it's in Dublin!

I do like that soundbite...bet Willie Walsh wouldn't.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 157):
Thats a pretty definite statement. any ahve any ideas on how this will affect deliery schedule. EI already have the 1st deliveries pushed back to H1 2016.

Don't think its all on EI's part, delay form Airbus more so.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 144):


This really has been an unbelievable first year for the new Shannon Airport Authority. To recap:

- 31 January: BE announces 3x weekly year-round SNN-GLA

Scrapped, along with EDI-NOC for next year.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10141 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 150):
Müller: we have 9 firm A350 orders, but aircraft is a bit overspecced for us. We were tempted to retain A330HGW instead, but: 1/2

Müller: since A350-900 REGIONAL became available, these fit us - we felt much more comfortable, so we will take 9 of these and go all-A350.

Does this mean all the A330s will eventually be replaced by A350s?

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 151):
Orlando doesn't contribute to our success.

What does he mean by this I wonder...is MCO not profitable? Why are they continuing to operate it then?

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 155):
Not sure if this route operated before, but I just noticed Helvetic Airways will be operating a weekly ZRH-SNN flight from May to end of August

It's been running the last few years (by Swiss European ZRH-NOC-SNN-ZRH for a year or two as well) but it looks like next year will be the first time the flights are bookable on the website and not limited to tour operators...

BE will close the GLA-SNN and EDI-NOC routes in January:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-25221318

[Edited 2013-12-04 13:40:58]


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10106 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 157):
Seems that not enough has changed.
Aer Lingus didn't release their cabin roster for Xmas and New Year until yesterday. Probable the most awaited shift pattern all year was 5 days late.

LOL Yeah heard that (my lodger is crew for them). Heard it was something to do with arranging training for the SNN crew. Not sure how that effects DUB or ORK based crew but there you have it.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 160):
Does this mean all the A330s will eventually be replaced by A350s?

Looks like it. I am still looking fwd to seeing what kind of configuration they will offer. I strongly believe that they will go for nine abreast. The A350 is 1' wider than the A330, and 10' 6" longer.

Using the current EI config (assuming they will stick to 24J), that means about 37 extra Y seats over the equivalent length of the 333, plus another four rows of Y seats, or 36Y; in tital, it sould be around 371 in Economy, for a total of 395. I'm assuming 10 cabin crew.

Of course, maybe EI might introduce a Premium Economy cabin, but they haven't shown much inclination so far.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 158):
Don't think its all on EI's part, delay form Airbus more so.
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 158):
Don't think its all on EI's part, delay form Airbus more so.

I thought it was only 3-6 months so far; of course, they probably want to get the aircraft in time for the peak season anyway, so any delay would bring it back to the winter season. I think QR will be first to introduce the acft around this time next year.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 151):
Orlando doesn't contribute to our success.

Dropping a hint here?


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 163, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 162):
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 151):
Orlando doesn't contribute to our success.

Dropping a hint here?

Might just be a case of lost in translation - If that were said in German, it would read differently, ie "a 3 weekly service hardly makes or breaks us".



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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10060 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 160):

With just 2-3 flights per week, the performance of DUB-MCO is unlikely to have a material impact on the company's financial position. AMS, on the other hand, accounts for over 3.5% of EI's total ASKs. The statement doesn't necessarily imply that MCO is a poor performer, as such. I'm sure it does perfectly fine, otherwise it wouldn't be operating.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 165, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10018 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 159):

Yes sadly two BE Irish routes axed. More to do with the mess that BE is at the moment than the routes themselves but a blow for SNN and NOC all the same.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 166, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

I think the comments about MCO are being taken out of context, if it wasn't profitable it would be dropped and last summer it was upgraded from an A332 to A333. So that speaks for itself. What I think they were getting at its quiet dependent on leisure so there is only a certain amount of potential as its low freq and little connections. Compare to BOS, JFK or ORD where they are major business hubs in the US, excellent connections from DUB and US side, much more business class demand and so on.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27311 posts, RR: 60
Reply 167, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Aer Lingus drop in passenger numbers :

05 December 2013

AER Lingus passenger numbers fell last month compared with November of last year.

Including Aer Lingus Regional operations, numbers decreased by 5pc to 728,000 in November compared with the same month in 2012.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ers-down-in-november-29812273.html