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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 47488 times:
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Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 22 (by 777ER Oct 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 47310 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 100 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 124 - N27908 - UA #8
L/N 125 – JA833J - JL #13
L/N 85 - B–2730 - HU #4
L/N 104 - B-2737 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 36 - B-2726 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 131 - B-2731 – HU #5
L/N 136 - EI-LNC - DY #3
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – JQ #2
L/N 119 - B-2735 – CZ #8
L/N 30 - VT-ANEAI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 132 - JA824A - NH #24 Awaiting first flight
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – QR #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2729 – HU #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 137 – OO-JDL - TB #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 135 - N26909 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 141 – A6-??? - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 46906 times:

Photo of ZB002 N789FT from yesterday, Photo by Matt Cawby:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/10719250343_9321032d4c_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10719250343/in/photostream//



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User currently onlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 46846 times:
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LAN Airlines CC-BBD long since delivered. However at the time sitting on the PAE flight line engineless.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46663 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

Damn it she left, huh?

I can't see her land at HND   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12723 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46667 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Damn it she left, huh?

It's still parked at the delivery center.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46658 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12723 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46606 times:

Here's a nice picture of ZB002, taken yesterday:


N789FT by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 645 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 46593 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.

There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.
ANA delivers to HND. JAL to NRT.
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12723 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 46323 times:

ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 46296 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 8):
There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.

I see    I'm not sure if I should fork over the ¥3000 N'EX ticket or not....lol

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 46261 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not

No, it hasn't yet flown. Hopefully she'll be up today.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12723 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 46191 times:

ANA JA803A (LN7, the first 787 production frame) now titled "Inspiration of Japan".


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3750 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 45943 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

forecasts are from high winds and a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.. I wouldn't bet on any test flights..


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 45830 times:

ZB002 is up and flying


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 45792 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.

Two words: water injection!

or, maybe she'll stay up for 6 hours and come back dry?



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3450 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 45610 times:

It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH/tracklog


tortugamon


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 45526 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):

Fr24 is showing the same thing:

http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2



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User currently offlineultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 45432 times:

Most of you have been following this more than have so don't flame me-

Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9? How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?-Presumably the only additonal operating cost would be the delta in fuel?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 45337 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

It's definitely ZB002. They don't need to be as conservative here as they did for either the second 787-8 or the first 787-9. A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

Edit: ZA234 (AI LN30) also finally made it up this morning, after two failed attempts.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131107/1730Z/KPAE/KMWH

[Edited 2013-11-07 09:19:54]

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 45241 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?


ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3450 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 45164 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Fr24 is showing the same thing:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

I sure was expecting a more gradual introduction. But they have some solid confidence, good for them.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9?

Many here think that the order book will transition to reflect a heavier concentration of -9s to -8s. We have already seen this transition happen with orders from AC and Air Berlin (not firmed) and others. The costs too fly a -9 will not but that much higher than a -8.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?

Difference is about $37.7 Million
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/

The reasons to buy the 787-8 are primarily because you do not think you can fill a 789 and therefore don't want to pay the higher price and the fuel burn of empty seats. There are a lot of 763s out there and a 787-8 is a step up in capacity as is. Likewise, A332 operators that are comfortable with its capacity will prefer the 787-8. If the additional seats come very cheaply this may be limited as we see with the larger single aisle aircraft. However, once the improvements in the -9 are backflowed into the -8 this delta between fuel burn could widen making a 788 more appealing.

Also, there are a significant amount of LCC/Charter airlines that fit their aircraft with higher seat counts: JQ at 335 seats for example. Other examples at DY/LionAir/TUI/Scoot where they are going to fill these 787-8s with large seat counts and where the 789 will be 50-60 more seats (nearly 400) in their configuration and therefore just plain too big for their business model. I believe these type of customers will keep the 788 relevant even if order numbers are low.

The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 20):
ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.

As always, thank you for the insight.

tortugamon


User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44945 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 21):
The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

I'm still waiting to see if airlines like Alaska, Southwest, or even Ryanair
might decide to take the widebody plunge with 788's

Would be quite a sight seeing WN 787's at HOU's new intl terminal

and/or AS 788's at Sea-Tac


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44856 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44825 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 23):
Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?

Nope, Was moved from the delivery center to stall 107:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398510011116027904



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25 n471wn : So the much discussed delivery #100 never took place? How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave
26 tortugamon : How about adding B6 or EZ to the list? FR is interested: I think the growth is in Asia so if its turns into a darling for JQ/TZ/JT and the like it co
27 United787 : Or maybe they have something planned which is why it hasn't left... Is it me or does Boeing seem more tight lipped as of late? I feel like we don't g
28 WarpSpeed : It had all the appearances of a delivery: C flights, parked at the delivery center and a ferry flight to Narita scheduled the same day. I doubt JAL w
29 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB001 was spotted on the 40-51 apron yesterday. Boeing 787-9 by moonm, on Flickr
30 Post contains images seabosdca : A little over an hour ago I saw ZB002, low on approach to BFI, from a meeting room window in my office. It was the first time I'd seen a 787-9 in pers
31 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB021 initial engine run today. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398526378586296320
32 United787 : Sounds like this may get up in the air rather quickly!
33 tortugamon : IIRC ZB001 and ZB002 rolled out, went into paint, then back into the FAL for testing equipment installation, then rolled out, then had an initial eng
34 Post contains links tortugamon : Boeing has posted some images of ZB002's first flight. Maybe someone with access can upload some high resolution images. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/i
35 ER757 : Happened to be looking out my office window in Renton about that time and caught a glimpse of it before it vanished into the clouds - first time I've
36 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Here you go. Click on each one to bring up the full photo: Thank you Matt Cawby http://kpae.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/paine-field-november-7.html[Edited
37 KarelXWB : ZB021 is a light test equipment a/c, hence it needs less assembly time. LN146 is the production standard test a/c and will be used to obtain certific
38 NYC777 : ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. There may be an imminent delivery of this airframe.
39 tortugamon : Thank you. Did the MLG doors open on rotation again? It sure looks like it. Then I am surprised that they have said that the final assembly for the t
40 Post contains links tortugamon : Anyone know why it is going to ORD? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20131108/2000Z/KCHS/KORD tortugamon
41 NYC777 : Boeing's Corporate headquarters is in Chicago. I'm willing to bet that it'll be there for a ceremony to celebrate the deliver of the 100th 787 which,
42 Post contains links tortugamon : Very interesting. I am not sure if it is about Boeing headquarters or because its a route they just started: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...s
43 seabosdca : On its way to ORD. We finally have 100, for sure. I would still like to know why JAL got as far as filing a flight plan to NRT but now their bird has
44 United787 : Do we know for sure? I feel like we really know nothing. JL could have still taken contractual delivery of theirs before HU. I am holding out until w
45 KarelXWB : It's not really a test a/c, see it as a certification a/c.
46 Post contains images PHX787 : Any updates on JL? so UA got number 100? JL shafted again This appears on a number of airplanes that NH has.
47 KarelXWB : HU got number 100.
48 Post contains images PHX787 : Aww that's anticlimactic I can see some chinese nationalists snickering at JL right now for getting 100 over Japan
49 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB021 engines were successfully started. http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/398950201882181632
50 hkcanadaexpat : Has this been confirmed by Boeing? Last i checked there were still odds that JL was contractually delivered as the 100th ahead of HU. A
51 Post contains links and images WarpSpeed : Since we haven't heard from Boeing - and their PR folk seem to like nice round milestone numbers - I'd say they're waiting for LN20 to fly away befor
52 seabosdca : We don't know for sure that HU was #100. We do know now that there have been at least 100 deliveries.
53 Post contains links ual747-600 : HU2730 on the way to ZJHK. Maybe a route proving flight for the type? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2730 UAL747-600
54 hkcanadaexpat : Next up... Deliveries: > JA-821J (Japan Airlines #12) > N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston) > B-2726 (China Southern #6) First Flights
55 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB021 awaiting first flight: N789ZB by Powercube, on Flickr Jetairfly ZA321 on the flightline: OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr LN4 at Boeing Field: N78
56 Post contains links ual747-600 : Activity at KCHS today. Would this be a C-1? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187 UAL-747-600
57 Post contains links WarpSpeed : The mystery of the 100th delivery apparently solved. Why JA-821J (LN20) hasn't flown away remains undetermined.... http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
58 NYC777 : Profile doesn't suggest it's a C-1 more like a B-3.
59 Post contains links tortugamon : Matt Cawby has a picture of ZA005 with engines off. ZA004 still has not flown and is located in BFI http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/40030958905841
60 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. PLEASE NOTE: I have made some changes to the s
61 n471wn : But does anyone know if Line #20 has flown off yet?
62 KarelXWB : It has not departed yet.
63 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA234 (AI LN30) scheduled for a B-2 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131112/1900Z/KPAE/KPAE Meanwhile, the test flight for Z
64 Post contains links seabosdca : And now it's back again, this time looking less like a C-1 and more like a B-3. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131112/1500Z/KCHS/
65 Post contains links tortugamon : LN141/ZA560 rolled out almost 10 days ago. Looking forward to seeing it in paint as it will be a new livery. ZB001 and ZB002 are in the air at the sam
66 KarelXWB : That should be ZB instead of ZA. It's by design I believe, there's a blast wall at that location.[Edited 2013-11-12 12:46:33]
67 7BOEING7 : Most of the stalls have blast fences, however if the airplane isn't parked at a stall with a blast fence or the winds are too high for an engine run
68 seabosdca : CalPSAFltSkeds, usually very well connected with everything UA, is reporting on another thread that ZA292 (UA LN124) was delivered today.
69 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : What I meant was, the compass rose area has blast walls too. So it's not odd to me to see an engine run at this location.
70 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA650 (DY LN136) scheduled for a Boeing test flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE
71 Post contains links tortugamon : ZB002 is venturing out of the friendly confines of the PNW and heading to Cali. MHR is an interesting destination of choice. http://flightaware.com/li
72 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : ZB021 now has its registration, N789ZB. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400685827950252034
73 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA432 (LN79, B-2729) is scheduled for a B-1 test flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432
74 Post contains links tortugamon : ZA292 UA#8 delivery flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...4/history/20131113/1400Z/KCHS/KDEN tortugamon
75 seabosdca : This flight plan was revised and now looks like a C-1 profile. Now due to leave after noon.
76 Post contains links KarelXWB : JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400738887116390400
77 Post contains images Stitch : Maybe she suffered engine damage on her last flight? Or somebody forgot the oil filters again.
78 Post contains images KELPkid : Some first-hand info as to what is going on would be nice... Although it is only us (the air nerds) that seem to care at this point.
79 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Two early birds with an ANA tail in front of the EMC. Around KPAE 11-12-13 by moonm, on Flickr
80 7BOEING7 : If there was engine damage on the last flight I'm guessing the airplane wouldn't have been delivered, which begs the question was it delivered??? It
81 PlanesNTrains : Maybe JAL wanted to be the recipient of #100 as bad as Boeing wanted to roll out the 787 on 7/8/07.....? Who cares if it's ready to fly. Sign her ove
82 7BOEING7 : If it's not "ready to fly" it can't be delivered nor can the customer flights take place. And the customers care about as much as Boeing about "deliv
83 Post contains links seabosdca : They ended up taking another HU frame, ZA435 (LN 131), out for a joyride instead: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131113/2230Z/KPA
84 PlanesNTrains : Sure. I was being somewhat facetious but at the same time it does seem a little bit strange if they took delivery of "#100" but then it never left th
85 Post contains links seabosdca : And... back to the originally planned short B flight, and airborne. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/2000Z/KPAE/KPAE
86 hkcanadaexpat : And a new record for CHS. 187 days from entering FAL to delivery. Previous record was 197 days by CC-BBE. Everett record still held by V8-DLA with 91
87 tortugamon : Wow, what a difference between CHS and PAE. tortugamon
88 7BOEING7 : When everything is up to speed at 10/month, PAE will be delivering about twice what CHS does, so one would expect at least the FAL days for CHS to be
89 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out: OO-JDL doing taxi tests: Both photos by Matt Cawby http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400859529123885
90 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : A better photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10849998104/ Photo by Matt Cawby.
91 sunrisevalley : This work force has a long way to go. Why would anyone in their right mind consider this location as a FAL for another type?
92 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : First ANA 787-9 on the surge line. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10850087026/
93 Apuneger : Hi, Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight? Some sources indicated that its first Boeing test flight would ta
94 NYC777 : Should be today.
95 tortugamon : Although 6 months between entering final assembly and being delivered may be a record, it certainly isn't an impressive figure. I actually think in t
96 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA650 (DY LN136) up, on what looks like a C-1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650
97 kanban : Of course you noticed that this had already been to paint, so it is more a symbolic rollout?
98 817Dreamliiner : ZA560, LN 141 will be A6-PFC.
99 Apuneger : Thanks. Just read on Twitter that the frame is airworthy since 2124Z. Best regards, Ivan
100 NYC777 : ZA327 is flying a strange B-1 profile which means it's not flying a B-1 profile at all. Whass' up wit that?
101 7BOEING7 : Not that strange, most B-1's go to KMWH and back but you can do a B-1 just flying KPAE to KPAE -- it's no big deal. When the flights over we can look
102 Post contains images seabosdca : NYC777, your charts right now are making it look like Charleston needs to get on the 8-ball! Everett now has only one assembled 787 that hasn't flown,
103 MakeMinesLAX : When I saw the UAE 787 in the second-to-last position while taking the tour last Friday, I was wondering how it ended up it the middle of the assembl
104 7BOEING7 : In all likelihood the "outfitting" hasn't even taken place yet. It's probably an "empty" airplane, meaning it has everything but seats just like any
105 MakeMinesLAX : As explained on the tour, some sort of interior work was being done. The main question, though, is how/why it was painted first and (apparently) plac
106 7BOEING7 : Probably paint hanger scheduling since it didn't need as many days as most other paint schemes.
107 kanban : come on now.. that takes a whole lot online shuffling twice.. probably a full shift lost each time.. did it "roll out" this time from the same line u
108 7BOEING7 : Having monitored the factory floor schedules over the years there's a lot more movement going on than one would expect. Pulling two out to get at the
109 kanban : Maybe in Everett, but very seldom in Renton.. sometimes the airplane at the door was towed out so the one behind could leave early.. but that was ver
110 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here you go: OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr More pictures can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm
111 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB021 wearing its test registration. Around KPAE 11-13-13 by moonm, on Flickr The UAE 787 parked at the fuel dock. Around KPAE 11-14-13 by moonm, on F
112 Post contains links KarelXWB : JA821J engines have been removed. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401407313065410560
113 CALTECH : Seems the 787 APU issues are supposedly getting a fix. No more cool down or start restrictions required. Modified APUs will show up at United soon.
114 NYC777 : Boeing is now at 10/month on the 787. Please see my blog post.
115 WarpSpeed : Would think this is an upgrade in progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't engines specified via a separate contract from that of the frame (i.e
116 Post contains links KarelXWB : There is some movement at the EMC: > LN5 was pushed inside > LN13 was put out of storage and is now parked at the EMC > LN25 was moved to the
117 NYC777 : LN 25 is in the paint hanger so it looks like it's ready to fly soon. See my tables for updates as of today.
118 seabosdca : I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC
119 KarelXWB : I was thinking the same. LN30 and LN32 went back inside the EMC for 2-3 weeks after paint to finish final touches, but it's been 8 weeks for LN28 now
120 NYC777 : If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with
121 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB021 scheduled for an 3 hour ground engine test. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401437054669582336
122 Post contains images seabosdca : That could certainly also be. 26 and 25 went in fairly close together, so there hasn't been the kind of unexplained delay yet with 26 that has happen
123 KarelXWB : It happened before that an older one overtakes a newer one. Let's see if LN26 goes to paint directly after LN25.
124 NYC777 : Except for all the 747s stored there like it was Marana.
125 JoeCanuck : I haven't been checking up on the progress much lately, but does this mean that all the early reworked units are gone...or on their way?
126 seabosdca : Have a look at the charts on NYC777's blog. They will tell you everything you need to know. 8 frames still haven't yet entered change incorporation.
127 Post contains links KarelXWB : Picture of the engineless JA821J: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9847a.png
128 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131116/1600Z/KBFI/KVPS
129 Apuneger : Many thanks! Best regards, Ivan
130 tortugamon : I believe that there are now 7 that have yet to enter change incorporation. tortugamon
131 KELPkid : Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?
132 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Climatic_Laboratory
133 Post contains images seabosdca : I think you are not counting LN 4.
134 tortugamon : Indeed I am not. Its being held at BFI which makes me think it will be involved in further flight testing or Trent Ten certification. But you are rig
135 Stitch : As 7BOEING7 noted, it's where Boeing performs their cold weather testing on the 787. The 787-8 also used this facility for cold weather testing.
136 Post contains images KELPkid : You'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada... It is nuts that the Air Force has a cold weather t
137 7BOEING7 : From time to time they do cold wx testing where it's actually cold but for some tests it's much easier and cheaper to do it in the hanger -- you cont
138 Post contains images Stitch : With the delays to the 787-8, as I recall it wasn't Winter when she was ready for cold weather testing so that is why they used VPS. It may be that f
139 7673mech : Line 20 was delivered and was at delivery center for the trip home. GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues. Not sur
140 Stitch : Well there was an issue with the fan shaft on an AI GEnx1B that failed on a 787-8 during a runway test at CHS. And there was an installation issue wi
141 PHX787 : So I missed a lot. Did 821J get stuck inside again? What about the next NH delivery? -Z
142 hkcanadaexpat : Don't worry. you haven't missed anything since you logged in last. JA-821J is still sitting on the flightline, engines off. in the same stall. nothin
143 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : Qatar Airways # 10 (LN 129 / ZA 469) on its B1 out of Charleston. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE469 A
144 NYC777 : Strange that Flightaware didn't send out an alert until after the airplane was in the air. At least they didn't send it to me even though I'm a subsc
145 hkcanadaexpat : I think flightaware is having technical problems. A majority of the commercial 787 flights have disappeared from flightaware in the last 24 hours whi
146 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : B-2737 (China Southern) just filed what looks to be a B-8 flight rather than a C-1 (unless its a C-2?!?) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE386 A
147 JoeCanuck : The wait is over. They could do their cold weather testing anywhere in western Canadia right now...darnit. Where I am, we'll have a low of -24c tonig
148 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. DELIVERED TO DATE: 102 Aircraft to 16 Airlines
149 Post contains links KarelXWB : JA821J has been fitted with engines again. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402496096896688128
150 seabosdca : Never mind! Flightaware is broken.[Edited 2013-11-18 12:17:12]
151 Post contains links tortugamon : Exciting news from Matt C: "Flight crew doing a B1 preflight on 787-9 N789ZB" http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402560743045746689 I was not expecti
152 tortugamon : False alarm, looks like it is just a taxi test. tortugamon
153 7BOEING7 : The B-1 preflight gets done before the taxi test -- the reason they may not have filed a flight plan/gone flying today is the wx was below "minimums"
154 Post contains links tortugamon : Looking forward to it. ZB001 made it out and Sabian got a great photo on takeoff: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/10919185585/ tortugamon
155 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789 Cheers
156 tortugamon : Matt C has indicated that the new flight time is 20:00 Zulu. So approximately 35 minutes from now. I assume it is still all white? Kinda thought they
157 Post contains links tortugamon : ...and she is now taxiing. Matt C has a picture: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402887188062281728/photo/1 tortugamon edit: All white! The ghost
158 Post contains images WarpSpeed : Not a great screen grab, but she's up and away.... [Edited 2013-11-19 12:19:23]
159 United787 : In the air now!
160 seabosdca : QR ZA469 (LN129) up on a B-2.
161 7BOEING7 : Actually this would be classified a FERRY flight not a B-2. Like paint flights from PAE to PDX these flights are probably being done under a "ferry p
162 seabosdca : Thanks. I overlooked that this was a flight to FTW.
163 iahcsr : Question: How are Line Numbers being assigned/determined between Everett and Charleston?
164 kanban : Generally the line numbers are assigned long before the decision is made as to which plant or line.. then they are divvied up generally on 3 in Evere
165 dynamicsguy : At the risk of dragging this off topic, I'm not sure the 4th (Max) line will be somewhere in between since it is only 2 positions and not a full line
166 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's a picture of ZB021: A high-res version is available at: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...oeing-Flies-Third-787-9-Dreamliner
167 jupiter2 : Love that shot/angle of the 789, looks like a 757 on steroids from that angle and that's got to be a good thing !
168 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : High res version also available here: http://paineairport.com/images/K66016.jpg
169 PHX787 : Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.
170 Post contains links KarelXWB : Meanwhile you can watch the arrival of NCA's latest 747-8F. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...5/history/20131120/1430Z/KPAE/RJAA
171 Stitch : The 737MAX line will be adjacent to the current 737 assembly line #1 and will have the same 7 stations as line #1. 737 assembly line 2 is being exten
172 Post contains images PHX787 : Wish i could- I have an economics exam it's about time another 748 was delivered here
173 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA432 (HU LN79) scheduled for a B-3. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131120/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE
174 dynamicsguy : I don't believe this is correct, but can't find anything to prove this. Can you point to anything which says it will be a full line?
175 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I too recall Boeing saying it will be a full line, and the mockup suggests the same.
176 WarpSpeed : Cool picture! Respectfully submitting that, as Dynamicsguy feared, we are off topic by plane, production method and factory location. Might this be wo
177 Post contains images Stitch : A graphic of the new Renton plant configuration posted in The Seattle Times. It wouldn't be an a.net thread if we did not have more tangents than a G
178 NYC777 : Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?
179 united787 : If there was something exciting happening on the program...aka deliveries!
180 aklrno : I thought Boeing was having an early black Friday sale, all 787's marked down to 737.
181 Post contains links seabosdca : Of additional test flights of aircraft that appeared ready for delivery? Sure thing! (ZA381, CZ LN36) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/histor
182 WarpSpeed : Matt Cawby has tweeted that JA821J (LN20) is at the Everett Delivery Center again. With new engines, wouldn't it fly a FCF or two prior to its deliver
183 7673mech : Why - the just completed putting the reworked engines on yesterday. Engine runs last night. What special note?
184 7673mech : It is delivered - so JAL would have to do the flying. They may just do a verification for the first hours of the flight home and if all looks good pr
185 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : We'll know for sure when we see the flight plan.
186 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here is the flight plan for JA821J: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20131121/2300Z/KPAE/RJAA
187 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN5 was pushed out of the EMC: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10990198073/
188 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Rumor is on the street that Lufthansa Technik has signed its 1st 787 VIP conversion deal. http://twitter.com/MROreporter/status/403930711976980480 Thi
189 Post contains links NYC777 : Lots of 787 activity: ZB002 is coming home to BFI: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2 ZA435 looks to be making its C-1 flight I think: http://fli
190 7BOEING7 : It's flying a "B" flight first and a C-1 later if it goes ok. Assuming a C-1 was flown on the 14th this should be a C-2 and hopefully last flight pri
191 Post contains links Ronaldo747 : The blog of Puget Sound - Boeing Test Flights suggests that this aircraft is assigned to Japan Airlines. http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....-b787
192 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : HNA ZA435 (131) off on its C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435 TUI ZA327 (137) filed for a B-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/hi
193 tortugamon : Looks like all three 787-9s flew today. The flight hours for certification should be falling off pretty quickly. They should be about 20% finished at
194 NYC777 : No only 2. ZB1 and ZB2.
195 tortugamon : Flight aware had #593 as a 787-9 today. Thought it was ZB021 tortugamon
196 Post contains links catdaddy63 : Agree that 2 flew, the 789 flight plan from MWH to BFI was likely a 739 that originated from RNT. Type was probably mistyped into the flightplan. htt
197 KarelXWB : I believe that's a B737.
198 Post contains images NYC777 : There aren't any 787s at RNT only at BFI for test flights and PAE for assembly and delivery.
199 7673mech : It was to do an FCF, then C2.
200 7BOEING7 : Based on the time between flights and the fact it was an FCF would suggest there were some real issues either during the C-1 or more likely afterward
201 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : NOR ZA650 (136) filed for hopefully the C-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650 TUI ZA327 (137) filed for a B-3: http://flightaware.com/live/fl
202 7673mech : My sources asked me not to give details, but there was an NOE that required rework. A lot of the flights in the coming days will be FCF first. C2 was
203 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Thanks AIN ZA234 (30) flying on a C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE234 Looks like TUI ZA327 (137) is delayed/cancelled for today.
204 sonomaflyer : Can we convert a couple of terms to English please? FCF=? NOE=?
205 7BOEING7 : FCF -- Functional Check Flight. Used at the Boeing Company to define a flight that is required after "B" flights have been completed (FAA accepted) a
206 sunrisevalley : and a couple more for the uninitiated....... "B" and "C" Thanks
207 Stitch : "B" are Boeing flights to test functionality of the airframe after assembly and change incorporation. Once these functionality check flights are done
208 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Switched to a C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE327
209 7BOEING7 : During the B-1 flight, checks are performed per requirements agreed upon between the Boeing Company and the FAA -- a "B-1 profile". Subsequent B flig
210 seabosdca : So a busy day today at PAE! ZA234 (AI LN30), ZA432 (HU LN79), and ZA327 (TB LN137) all flew C-1s. ZA650 (DY LN136) flew a C-2. That brings us to eight
211 7BOEING7 : Neither GUN ZA381 (36) or ZA386 (104) have had a C-1 flight yet. JAL ZA187 (125) completed their C-1 last Monday but may be held up by the previously
212 nyc777 : Did ZA432 ever make it back to PAE? I don't see it on flightaware.[Edited 2013-11-24 17:18:18]
213 Post contains links KarelXWB : The ANA 787-9 (ZB197) was moved to the 40-26 building. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/11045583636/
214 Post contains links KarelXWB : ANA ZA515 scheduled for a B1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131125/1315Z/KCHS/KCHS
215 nyc777 : Timed out but we've seen this before where it's timed out and then it would reappear later in the day and actually fly.
216 Post contains links nyc777 : Looks like ZA216 is going out on a C-1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE216
217 seabosdca : Has it been reregistered to its Qantas registration (VH-VKB) yet? It was wearing a Boeing registration and an "Experimental" tag for all of its fligh
218 Post contains links nyc777 : Looks like ZA560 is on deck for it's B-1 today, out bound is listed as 260 and return from Moses Lake is listed as 560, a case of fat fingers no doubt
219 Post contains links nyc777 : ZA560 took off on it's B-1 but was back on the ground within 30 minutes, they must have experienced an inflight fault. Should be back up in the next d
220 7BOEING7 : C-2.
221 CX Flyboy : I see that it was agreed in the 747-8 topic to post line numbers instead of these "Z" codes since it makes for much easier reading by peope not in the
222 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : Confirmed. See picture of VH-VKB returning from its C1. http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9897a.png A
223 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : A6-PFC returning from its first flight, Photo by Matt Cawby:
224 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another early bird finished change incorporation? http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/405233588926312448
225 wjcandee : For the poster who asked for some acronym definitions: NOE = Notice of Escapement Typical contracts require the supplier to provide a written notifica
226 Post contains links nyc777 : ZA187 on a final customer run? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187 And ZB002 out again today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE002
227 Post contains links nyc777 : Busy 787 flight day to day. All three 787-9 flight test airframes are flying today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE001 http://flightaware.com/l
228 united787 : All of these extra B and C flights makes me thinks that this month will end up a lot like last month and a handful of deliveries that they are trying
229 nyc777 : ZA187 may have cancelled due to storms in the Charleston area.
230 Post contains links nyc777 : ZA560 is going to try again this afternoon to complete the B-1 tasks from yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE560
231 7BOEING7 : Of the six airplanes we're talking about, three had EWA (engineering) flights and at least two were involved with the NOE. Without those extra flight
232 nyc777 : Well they all should be set up just fine for delivery this week or early next week.
233 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN5 is taped-up, ready for storage. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/405439434343972866 Here they are at BFI: http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/st
234 nyc777 : Yes but ZA230 (LN 25, VT-ANA) has returned to the EMC. I guess they weren't completely finished with her.
235 KarelXWB : It might follow the same path as LN30 and a few others (EMC -> paint hangar -> EMC again -> roll out). If so, LN26 might do the same.[Edited
236 PHX787 : Did that stupid JL plane (821) make it to Japan yet?!
237 Post contains links KarelXWB : It did, on November 21: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20131121/2300Z/KPAE/RJAA
238 7673mech : Late last week.
239 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's a good shot of LN25: Around KPAE 11-25-13 by moonm, on Flickr And here is LN26 at the fuel dock: Around KPAE 11-25-13 by moonm, on Flickr LN25
240 PHX787 : About damn time. Has she had any flights since the delivery flight?
241 Post contains links KarelXWB : Not yet http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja821j
242 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : you can follow its flight history here: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja821j
243 PHX787 : I know of both sites but I cant use them recently because of internet connectivity trouble
244 nyc777 : Looks like ZA650 for Norwegian is being delivered today. Matt Cawby spotted it at the Everett Delivery Center.
245 7673mech : It was delivered yesterday and will fly away today. Curious if it will go straight home or stop off for tail paint.
246 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN4 scheduled for another check flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131127/1900Z/KBFI/KBFI
247 Post contains links KarelXWB : Norwegian EI-LNC delivery flight: http://fr24.com/NLH1A
248 Post contains links SA7700 : Part 23 has become quite long and will be locked for further discussion. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purpos
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