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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23  
User currently onlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4400 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 46862 times:
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Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 22 (by 777ER Oct 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 46684 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 100 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 124 - N27908 - UA #8
L/N 125 – JA833J - JL #13
L/N 85 - B–2730 - HU #4
L/N 104 - B-2737 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 36 - B-2726 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 131 - B-2731 – HU #5
L/N 136 - EI-LNC - DY #3
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – JQ #2
L/N 119 - B-2735 – CZ #8
L/N 30 - VT-ANEAI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 132 - JA824A - NH #24 Awaiting first flight
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – QR #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2729 – HU #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 137 – OO-JDL - TB #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 135 - N26909 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 141 – A6-??? - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 46280 times:

Photo of ZB002 N789FT from yesterday, Photo by Matt Cawby:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/10719250343_9321032d4c_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10719250343/in/photostream//



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 46220 times:
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LAN Airlines CC-BBD long since delivered. However at the time sitting on the PAE flight line engineless.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 46037 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/4/2013 - JL #12

Damn it she left, huh?

I can't see her land at HND   



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 46041 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Damn it she left, huh?

It's still parked at the delivery center.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 46032 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 45980 times:

Here's a nice picture of ZB002, taken yesterday:


N789FT by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 45967 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Ah alright, sorry for flipping out   If her ETA at HND is before 4:45 PM I can easily spot her landing.

There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.
ANA delivers to HND. JAL to NRT.
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 45697 times:

ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 45670 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 8):
There hasn't been a single JAL 787 delivery to HND so i don't see why this one would be any different.

I see    I'm not sure if I should fork over the ¥3000 N'EX ticket or not....lol

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 45635 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
I haven't been following well enough; has this one flown yet or not

No, it hasn't yet flown. Hopefully she'll be up today.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 45565 times:

ANA JA803A (LN7, the first 787 production frame) now titled "Inspiration of Japan".


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 45317 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 will try it again in about 2 hours:

forecasts are from high winds and a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.. I wouldn't bet on any test flights..


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 45204 times:

ZB002 is up and flying


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 45166 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
a lot of torrential rain today for the next 6 hours.

Two words: water injection!

or, maybe she'll stay up for 6 hours and come back dry?



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 44984 times:

It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../20131107/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH/tracklog


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 44900 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):

Fr24 is showing the same thing:

http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2



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User currently offlineultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 44806 times:
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Most of you have been following this more than have so don't flame me-

Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9? How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?-Presumably the only additonal operating cost would be the delta in fuel?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 44711 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?

It's definitely ZB002. They don't need to be as conservative here as they did for either the second 787-8 or the first 787-9. A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

Edit: ZA234 (AI LN30) also finally made it up this morning, after two failed attempts.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131107/1730Z/KPAE/KMWH

[Edited 2013-11-07 09:19:54]

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 44615 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
It looks like the plan is at least 5 hours to MWH.

I find it surprising that ZB002 is flying at over 520 kts and at 39,000 feet. That does not sound anything like a first flight to me. Could flightaware have this wrong? Its been knows to happen. ZB001 maybe?


ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 44538 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Fr24 is showing the same thing:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
A production frame would typically reach these speeds/altitudes on its maiden flight.

I sure was expecting a more gradual introduction. But they have some solid confidence, good for them.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
Why would any customer chose the 8 as opposed to the 9 now for delvieries when one could get the 9?

Many here think that the order book will transition to reflect a heavier concentration of -9s to -8s. We have already seen this transition happen with orders from AC and Air Berlin (not firmed) and others. The costs too fly a -9 will not but that much higher than a -8.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 18):
How much more is the sticker price for the 9 and does it have signficantly hihger operating costs?

Difference is about $37.7 Million
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/

The reasons to buy the 787-8 are primarily because you do not think you can fill a 789 and therefore don't want to pay the higher price and the fuel burn of empty seats. There are a lot of 763s out there and a 787-8 is a step up in capacity as is. Likewise, A332 operators that are comfortable with its capacity will prefer the 787-8. If the additional seats come very cheaply this may be limited as we see with the larger single aisle aircraft. However, once the improvements in the -9 are backflowed into the -8 this delta between fuel burn could widen making a 788 more appealing.

Also, there are a significant amount of LCC/Charter airlines that fit their aircraft with higher seat counts: JQ at 335 seats for example. Other examples at DY/LionAir/TUI/Scoot where they are going to fill these 787-8s with large seat counts and where the 789 will be 50-60 more seats (nearly 400) in their configuration and therefore just plain too big for their business model. I believe these type of customers will keep the 788 relevant even if order numbers are low.

The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 20):
ZB001 cleared the envelope, ZB002 can go right to work (B-1 profile, etc). The FAA may require 5 hours prior to landing at BFI which may account for the longer flight than just a B-1 profile or they may just have a lot of extra test conditions.

As always, thank you for the insight.

tortugamon


User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 44319 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 21):
The 787-8 appears to be in a market all by itself with nothing even planned to compete with it even on the horizon. That is truly a rare thing. Even if the market is small, 100% of it should make it do just fine even if many don't agree with me.

I'm still waiting to see if airlines like Alaska, Southwest, or even Ryanair
might decide to take the widebody plunge with 788's

Would be quite a sight seeing WN 787's at HOU's new intl terminal

and/or AS 788's at Sea-Tac


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 44230 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
It's still parked at the delivery center.

Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 44199 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 23):
Has JAL line #20 left Everett yet?

Nope, Was moved from the delivery center to stall 107:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398510011116027904



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 44706 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 24):
Nope, Was moved from the delivery center to stall 107:

So the much discussed delivery #100 never took place? How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 44550 times:

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
I'm still waiting to see if airlines like Alaska, Southwest, or even Ryanair
might decide to take the widebody plunge with 788's

How about adding B6 or EZ to the list? FR is interested:

Quote:
Mr. O'Leary said he wants to start the business in three to four years but said the current five-year backlog on deliveries of the widebody jet was holding up his decision to go ahead.

The 787 "is the perfect aircraft for long-haul low-cost trans-Atlantic travel," said Mr. O'Leary at an Airport Operators Association conference in London.

I think the growth is in Asia so if its turns into a darling for JQ/TZ/JT and the like it could be an even more successful aircraft.

The smallest aircraft that has intercontinental range should stay relevant for awhile. This is not like the 767-200 where single aisles began to have intercontinental range.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
So the much discussed delivery #100

Only discussed heavily on here.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave

Not embarrassing at all. We don't know the details and Boeing has not indicated anything about it being delivery #100. This appears to be a non-event to them.

tortugamon


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 45092 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):

Not embarrassing at all. We don't know the details and Boeing has not indicated anything about it being delivery #100. This appears to be a non-event to them.

Or maybe they have something planned which is why it hasn't left...

Is it me or does Boeing seem more tight lipped as of late? I feel like we don't get as much information from A-Netter's sources as we used to...


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 44899 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
So the much discussed delivery #100 never took place? How embarrassing to Boeing that they picked an a/c that could not leave

It had all the appearances of a delivery: C flights, parked at the delivery center and a ferry flight to Narita scheduled the same day. I doubt JAL would do that unless they had been given the "keys." Mind you, it could have been contractual delivered and then broke down. But then again, Boeing would likely bust its balls getting it ready to fly. That it has not flown away could be a JAL decision.

Allthings787s has moved it back to "ready for delivery," so who knows whats up. He posts here often, so maybe he'll share what he knows or just note that we need proof positive before setting to delivered status.

Quoting United787 (Reply 27):
Is it me or does Boeing seem more tight lipped as of late?

Maybe they are reviewing the new contract offer. New term under productivity initiatives: No posting on A.Net or we move 777X production elsewhere?

[Edited 2013-11-07 11:30:25]

[Edited 2013-11-07 11:34:46]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 29, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 44513 times:

ZB001 was spotted on the 40-51 apron yesterday.


Boeing 787-9 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43863 times:

A little over an hour ago I saw ZB002, low on approach to BFI, from a meeting room window in my office. It was the first time I'd seen a 787-9 in person, and I may have slightly disrupted the work meeting I was in at the time   . The aircraft just looks magnificent... it's making me reconsider my usual preference for the shortest version.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 31, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43828 times:

ZB021 initial engine run today.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYfZoTVCAAABxqt.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/398526378586296320



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43746 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
ZB021 initial engine run today

Sounds like this may get up in the air rather quickly!


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43608 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
ZB021 initial engine run today.

IIRC ZB001 and ZB002 rolled out, went into paint, then back into the FAL for testing equipment installation, then rolled out, then had an initial engine run. They must have already installed test equipment, which was certainly quicker than with the other two and it certainly didn't go into paint.

Very interesting. I was thinking they would solid if they could have all three in the air by the end of the year but now its looking like ZB197 (LN 146) has a chance to fly before year end as well.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43547 times:

Boeing has posted some images of ZB002's first flight. Maybe someone with access can upload some high resolution images.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...20295&item=128864#assets_117:19334

4 Hour and 18 Minute first flight.

Boeing also added this:

"As the only 787-9 test airplane to be fitted with elements of the passenger interior, ZB002 will test systems such as the environmental control system in addition to avionics and other aspects of airplane performance. Boeing has conducted a series of ground tests on the second 787-9 since its completion in late September.
With manufacturing of the 787-9 flight-test fleet complete, the first production 787-9 in final assembly and 137 flight-test hours to date, 787-9 development is on track. 787-10 development also is progressing as planned."

Flight test fleet is complete. First customer is ANZ (LN169) but NH's 787-9 is already in production (LN146). I know this has been mentioned but why won't NH's 787-9 be delivered first? I thought it was going to have some test equipment in it but its looking like it will have a normal interior.

tortugamon


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2523 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 43317 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 14):

ZB002 is up and flying

Happened to be looking out my office window in Renton about that time and caught a glimpse of it before it vanished into the clouds - first time I've seen a 789 aloft....beautiful bird.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 42844 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 34):
Maybe someone with access can upload some high resolution images.

Here you go. Click on each one to bring up the full photo:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9798.jpg

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9799.jpg

Thank you Matt Cawby  http://kpae.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/paine-field-november-7.html

[Edited 2013-11-07 23:10:37]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 37, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 42669 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33):
IIRC ZB001 and ZB002 rolled out, went into paint, then back into the FAL for testing equipment installation, then rolled out, then had an initial engine run. They must have already installed test equipment, which was certainly quicker than with the other two and it certainly didn't go into paint.

ZB021 is a light test equipment a/c, hence it needs less assembly time.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 34):
Flight test fleet is complete. First customer is ANZ (LN169) but NH's 787-9 is already in production (LN146). I know this has been mentioned but why won't NH's 787-9 be delivered first? I thought it was going to have some test equipment in it but its looking like it will have a normal interior.

LN146 is the production standard test a/c and will be used to obtain certification. It will have minimal test equipment onboard.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 38, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 42123 times:

ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. There may be an imminent delivery of this airframe.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 39, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 42039 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 36):
Here you go.

Thank you. Did the MLG doors open on rotation again? It sure looks like it.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
LN146 is the production standard test a/c and will be used to obtain certification. It will have minimal test equipment onboard.

Then I am surprised that they have said that the final assembly for the test fleet is complete. Seems contradictory.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 38):
ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center.

Good to see another Chinese bird go and its good to see deliveries from Charleston. Its been a long time since there were only 7 aircraft in pre-flight prep at both locations. They sure did a good job of erasing the backlog of unflown jets from the grounding.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 40, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 41779 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 38):
ZA434 (LN 85, B-2730) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. There may be an imminent delivery of this airframe.

Anyone know why it is going to ORD?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20131108/2000Z/KCHS/KORD

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 41, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41759 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 40):
Anyone know why it is going to ORD?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C.../KORD

Boeing's Corporate headquarters is in Chicago. I'm willing to bet that it'll be there for a ceremony to celebrate the deliver of the 100th 787 which, it seems, is going to Hainan.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 42, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41729 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 41):
Boeing's Corporate headquarters is in Chicago. I'm willing to bet that it'll be there for a ceremony to celebrate the deliver of the 100th 787 which, it seems, is going to Hainan.

Very interesting.

I am not sure if it is about Boeing headquarters or because its a route they just started:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...service-united-airlines-dreamliner

Regardless, it does appear to be number 100.

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 41166 times:

On its way to ORD. We finally have 100, for sure.

I would still like to know why JAL got as far as filing a flight plan to NRT but now their bird has been sitting on the flightline for three days.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 40766 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):
On its way to ORD. We finally have 100, for sure.

I would still like to know why JAL got as far as filing a flight plan to NRT but now their bird has been sitting on the flightline for three days.

Do we know for sure? I feel like we really know nothing. JL could have still taken contractual delivery of theirs before HU. I am holding out until we hear something official from Boeing.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 45, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40144 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 39):
Then I am surprised that they have said that the final assembly for the test fleet is complete. Seems contradictory.

It's not really a test a/c, see it as a certification a/c.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40137 times:

Any updates on JL? so UA got number 100?

JL shafted again     

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
ANA JA803A (LN7, the first 787 production frame) now titled "Inspiration of Japan".

This appears on a number of airplanes that NH has.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 47, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40124 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 46):
Any updates on JL? so UA got number 100?

HU got number 100.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 48, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40099 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.

Aww that's anticlimactic   

I can see some chinese nationalists snickering at JL right now for getting 100 over Japan   



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 49, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40103 times:

ZB021 engines were successfully started.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/398950201882181632



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40108 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.

Has this been confirmed by Boeing? Last i checked there were still odds that JL was contractually delivered as the 100th ahead of HU.
A


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 39982 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
HU got number 100.
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 50):
Has this been confirmed by Boeing? Last i checked there were still odds that JL was contractually delivered as the 100th ahead of HU.

Since we haven't heard from Boeing - and their PR folk seem to like nice round milestone numbers - I'd say they're waiting for LN20 to fly away before announcing it as #100. At a minimum they'd tweet such a delivery and at most a press release with Randy's Blog featuring a photo line up of a bunch of employees in a "100" formation next to the frame. He's long overdue for a blog update. Then again the IAM drama may have the PR department focused on things other than planes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
I can see some chinese nationalists snickering at JL right now for getting 100 over Japan

All the more reason to have had United take their latest 787 as the 100th. Have the Japanese deployed its Navy in disputed territorial waters yet? Fighter escort for HU's delivery flight?  

"This business will get out of control...."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 52, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 40143 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 44):
Do we know for sure?

We don't know for sure that HU was #100. We do know now that there have been at least 100 deliveries.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 40089 times:

HU2730 on the way to ZJHK. Maybe a route proving flight for the type?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2730

UAL747-600


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 39159 times:

Next up...

Deliveries:
> JA-821J (Japan Airlines #12)
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> B-2726 (China Southern #6)

First Flights:
> A7-BC? (Qatar Airways #10) (@ Charleston)
> JA-824A (All Nippon Airways #24) (@ Charleston)
> B-2729 (Hainan Airlines #6)
> OO-JDL (TUI Travel #5/Jetairfly #1)
> N26909 (United Airlines #9) (@ Charleston)
> N789ZB (787-9 Test Aircraft #3)

FAL Rollout:
> N????? (Sky Blue Holdings/ILFC #7)
> N789?? (787-9 Test Aircraft #4/All Nippon Airways)
> JA-825A (All Nippon Airways #25) (@ Charleston)

Cheers
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 55, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 37988 times:

ZB021 awaiting first flight:


N789ZB by Powercube, on Flickr

Jetairfly ZA321 on the flightline:


OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr

LN4 at Boeing Field:


N7874 by Powercube, on Flickr

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 50):
Has this been confirmed by Boeing?

Not yet confirmed by Boeing.

[Edited 2013-11-11 02:19:18]


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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 36658 times:

Activity at KCHS today. Would this be a C-1?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187

UAL-747-600


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36402 times:

The mystery of the 100th delivery apparently solved. Why JA-821J (LN20) hasn't flown away remains undetermined....

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 58, posted (10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36327 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 56):
Activity at KCHS today. Would this be a C-1?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE187

Profile doesn't suggest it's a C-1 more like a B-3.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 59, posted (10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36089 times:

Matt Cawby has a picture of ZA005 with engines off. ZA004 still has not flown and is located in BFI

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400309589058412544/photo/1

He also has a photo of ZB021.

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9797.png


tortugamon


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36115 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

PLEASE NOTE: I have made some changes to the summary below, mainly adding the ZA# until delivery. Upon delivery, I replace the ZA# with the delivery date since the ZA# is no longer useful at that point. I have been reluctant to do this because I don’t want to recreate all of NYC777’s extensive spreadsheet here. I wanted to keep this list as a simple summary, but the ZA# seems to be really useful for flight tracking. I also added Charleston to those aircraft since that is a factor in speed of delivery.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 101 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12
L/N 85 - B–2730 – 11/8/2013 - HU #4

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 124 - N27908 – ZA292 - UA #8 (Charleston)
L/N 125 – JA833J – ZA187 - JL #13 (Charleston)
L/N 104 - B-2737 – ZA386 - CZ #6 or 7 (Charleston)
L/N 36 - B-2726 – ZA381 - CZ #6 or 7
L/N 131 - B-2731 – ZA435 - HU #5
L/N 136 - EI-LNC – ZA650 - DY #3
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – ZA216 - JQ #2
L/N 119 - B-2735 – ZA387 - CZ #8 (Charleston)
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – ZA234 - AI #11
L/N 132 - JA824A – ZA515 - NH #24 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 79 - B-2729 – ZA432 - HU #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321 - TB #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 135 - N26909 – ZA293 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 141 – A6-??? – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 142 – VH-VKD –ZA217 - JQ #3 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 35758 times:
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But does anyone know if Line #20 has flown off yet?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 62, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 35758 times:

It has not departed yet.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 63, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 35776 times:

ZA234 (AI LN30) scheduled for a B-2 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131112/1900Z/KPAE/KPAE

Meanwhile, the test flight for ZA187 (JL LN125) appears to have been canceled.

[Edited 2013-11-12 11:11:53]

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 64, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 35703 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 63):
Meanwhile, the test flight for ZA187 (JL LN125) appears to have been canceled.

And now it's back again, this time looking less like a C-1 and more like a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131112/1500Z/KCHS/KCHS


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 65, posted (10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 35545 times:

LN141/ZA560 rolled out almost 10 days ago. Looking forward to seeing it in paint as it will be a new livery.

ZB001 and ZB002 are in the air at the same time for the first time I think. ZA002 had a couple days off after its first flight. Hopefully it will get up more regularly going forward.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20131112/2000Z/KMWH/KBFI
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131112/1845Z/KBFI/KBFI

Quick question: I have noticed that test aircraft 748s and 787s particularly do an engine run while on the compass rose. I thought the rose was to make sure navigational devices are working and to set true/magnetic north etc. Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence? I don't assume the engines being run can interfere with the electronics on the navigational equipment. Thanks in advance.

tortugamon

edit: corrected ZA to ZB. Thank you Karel

[Edited 2013-11-12 13:26:01]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 66, posted (10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 35523 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
ZA001 and ZA002 are in the air at the same time for the first time I think. ZA002 had a couple days off after its first flight. Hopefully it will get up more regularly going forward.

That should be ZB instead of ZA.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence?

It's by design I believe, there's a blast wall at that location.

[Edited 2013-11-12 12:46:33]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 67, posted (10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 35173 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
Why do they often do an engine run at the same time? Is that just coincidence? I don't assume the engines being run can interfere with the electronics on the navigational equipment.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 66):
It's by design I believe, there's a blast wall at that location.



Most of the stalls have blast fences, however if the airplane isn't parked at a stall with a blast fence or the winds are too high for an engine run in a stall with a blast fence they can use the compass rose area.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 65):
I thought the rose was to make sure navigational devices are working and to set true/magnetic north etc


They use it to calibrate the standby compass and make out the compass deviation card.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 68, posted (10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 34716 times:

CalPSAFltSkeds, usually very well connected with everything UA, is reporting on another thread that ZA292 (UA LN124) was delivered today.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 69, posted (10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34170 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 67):
Most of the stalls have blast fences, however if the airplane isn't parked at a stall with a blast fence or the winds are too high for an engine run in a stall with a blast fence they can use the compass rose area.

What I meant was, the compass rose area has blast walls too. So it's not odd to me to see an engine run at this location.

http://s21.postimg.org/4ufes659j/Screenshot_from_2013_11_13_12_06_52.png



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 70, posted (10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33678 times:

ZA650 (DY LN136) scheduled for a Boeing test flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 71, posted (10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33583 times:

ZB002 is venturing out of the friendly confines of the PNW and heading to Cali. MHR is an interesting destination of choice.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131113/1530Z/KBFI/KMWH

tortugamon


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 33336 times:

ZB021 now has its registration, N789ZB.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400685827950252034



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 73, posted (10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 33200 times:

ZA432 (LN79, B-2729) is scheduled for a B-1 test flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 74, posted (10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32980 times:

ZA292 UA#8 delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...4/history/20131113/1400Z/KCHS/KDEN

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 75, posted (10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32966 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 70):
ZA650 (DY LN136) scheduled for a Boeing test flight.

This flight plan was revised and now looks like a C-1 profile. Now due to leave after noon.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 76, posted (10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32733 times:

JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400738887116390400



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 77, posted (10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32830 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

Maybe she suffered engine damage on her last flight?

Or somebody forgot the oil filters again.   


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32753 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...90400

Some first-hand info as to what is going on would be nice...  Although it is only us (the air nerds) that seem to care at this point.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 79, posted (10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32759 times:

Two early birds with an ANA tail in front of the EMC.


Around KPAE 11-12-13 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 80, posted (10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32696 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 77):
Maybe she suffered engine damage on her last flight?


If there was engine damage on the last flight I'm guessing the airplane wouldn't have been delivered, which begs the question was it delivered??? It was at the delivery center and a flight plan was filed but if the paperwork was being completed at the last minute did something crop up that stopped the delivery? Do we have any official information from Boeing that indicates it was delivered?

Is it both engines? If so are they getting replaced with PIP II engines? If both engines are changed it will require a reflight which depending on whether it's a JAL or Boeing call sign will answer the question -- it's either that or wait for the end of the month for Boeing to update their deliveries.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5576 posts, RR: 28
Reply 81, posted (10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32733 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...90400

Maybe JAL wanted to be the recipient of #100 as bad as Boeing wanted to roll out the 787 on 7/8/07.....? Who cares if it's ready to fly. Sign her over, take the photo at the delivery center, then roll her back to the hangar in a day or two. Stranger things have happened, though I don't actually put much faith in my own statement here.

-Dave



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32636 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 81):
Maybe JAL wanted to be the recipient of #100 as bad as Boeing wanted to roll out the 787 on 7/8/07.....? Who cares if it's ready to fly. Sign her over, take the photo at the delivery center, then roll her back to the hangar in a day or two. Stranger things have happened, though I don't actually put much faith in my own statement here.


If it's not "ready to fly" it can't be delivered nor can the customer flights take place. And the customers care about as much as Boeing about "delivery" numbers of a given model unless they relate only to their specific airplanes. Several years ago there was a big PR thing related to the delivery of the 777th 777 to AFA -- it was not the 777th 777 delivered, it was the 777th built (the 775th actually delivered).


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 83, posted (10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32574 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 73):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE432

They ended up taking another HU frame, ZA435 (LN 131), out for a joyride instead:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131113/2230Z/KPAE/KPAE


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5576 posts, RR: 28
Reply 84, posted (10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32506 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 82):
If it's not "ready to fly" it can't be delivered nor can the customer flights take place.

Sure. I was being somewhat facetious but at the same time it does seem a little bit strange if they took delivery of "#100" but then it never left the delivery center but instead went back to wherever they have it parked now. It is likely something innocuous but nonetheless it seems a bit strange.

Obviously it had flown before. But was it fully ready for delivery? Maybe it just got rushed in the desire by Boeing to have it go to JAL?

How often does a plane get to the delivery center and have a flight plan filed only to then cancel and go back to the hangar?

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 85, posted (10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32435 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 75):
This flight plan was revised and now looks like a C-1 profile. Now due to leave after noon.

And... back to the originally planned short B flight, and airborne.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131113/2000Z/KPAE/KPAE


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 86, posted (10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32057 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 74):
ZA292 UA#8 delivery flight:

And a new record for CHS. 187 days from entering FAL to delivery. Previous record was 197 days by CC-BBE.
Everett record still held by V8-DLA with 91 days. TUI's OO-JDL looking to challenge that...
A


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 87, posted (10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 31946 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 86):

Wow, what a difference between CHS and PAE.

tortugamon


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 88, posted (10 months 6 days ago) and read 31876 times:

When everything is up to speed at 10/month, PAE will be delivering about twice what CHS does, so one would expect at least the FAL days for CHS to be about twice the FAL days for PAE -- the FAL exit to delivery should be about the same however.

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 31824 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
L/N 141 – A6-??? – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321

OO-JDL doing taxi tests:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9826a.png

Both photos by Matt Cawby

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/400859529123885056

http://kpae.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/paine-field-november-13.html



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 31698 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3789/10849998104_2190002295_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10849998104/

Photo by Matt Cawby.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 91, posted (10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 31578 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 88):
so one would expect at least the FAL days for CHS to be about twice the FAL days for PAE

This work force has a long way to go. Why would anyone in their right mind consider this location as a FAL for another type?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 92, posted (10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 31606 times:

First ANA 787-9 on the surge line.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10850087026/



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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 93, posted (10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 31343 times:

Hi,

Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?

Some sources indicated that its first Boeing test flight would take place last weekend. Unfortunately I didn't get any confirmation of this.

Now it appears it only had its taxi test yesterday...

Based on the latest confirmed information, OO-JDL would be delivered around 25-28th november 2013. However, looking at the current situation, this timing seems a bit too optimistic right now.

Best regards,
Ivan



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 94, posted (10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 31083 times:

Quoting Apuneger (Reply 93):
Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?

Should be today.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 95, posted (10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 30996 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 88):
PAE will be delivering about twice what CHS does

Although 6 months between entering final assembly and being delivered may be a record, it certainly isn't an impressive figure. I actually think in the near term that Everett will have to be producing at greater than twice CHS rate as CHS is said to be aiming to produce 3/month in 2014 but total 787 production is said to be 10/month in a just a couple weeks. The surge line really is a great luxury for a new production line.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
First ANA 787-9 on the surge line.

I stared at that photo thinking something was different and I could not put my finger on it. It is indeed a 787-9 and the last one for a number of months until ANZ's comes through at LN169.

Anyone have a guess when a 787-9 will be produced in CHS? I bet they don't introduce any new kernels into their ramp up for a number of years.

tortugamon


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Reply 96, posted (10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 30739 times:

ZA650 (DY LN136) up, on what looks like a C-1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE650


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 97, posted (10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 30682 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 90):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

Of course you noticed that this had already been to paint, so it is more a symbolic rollout?


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 30461 times:

ZA560, LN 141 will be A6-PFC.


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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 99, posted (10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 30063 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 94):
Should be today.

Thanks. Just read on Twitter that the frame is airworthy since 2124Z.

Best regards,
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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 100, posted (10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 30060 times:

ZA327 is flying a strange B-1 profile which means it's not flying a B-1 profile at all. Whass' up wit that?


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 101, posted (10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 30022 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
ZA327 is flying a strange B-1 profile which means it's not flying a B-1 profile at all. Whass' up wit that?


Not that strange, most B-1's go to KMWH and back but you can do a B-1 just flying KPAE to KPAE -- it's no big deal. When the flights over we can look at the profile and see if it looks normal minus KMWH.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 102, posted (10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 30192 times:

NYC777, your charts right now are making it look like Charleston needs to get on the 8-ball! Everett now has only one assembled 787 that hasn't flown, except for the ones that rolled out yesterday.

Edit: Spoke too soon! That one remaining airplane, ZA432 (HU LN79) is now in the air.  eyepopping 

Nice to see that one in the air after it sat so long without paint, engines, or interior.

[Edited 2013-11-14 14:34:20]

User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 29754 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 97):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 90):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
First Photo of this aircraft being rolled out:

A better photo:

Of course you noticed that this had already been to paint, so it is more a symbolic rollout?

When I saw the UAE 787 in the second-to-last position while taking the tour last Friday, I was wondering how it ended up it the middle of the assembly line fully painted. There must have been some juggling with those ahead of it. I imagine the outfitting was a bit more involved than normal, so it probably had to be "inside" a while longer.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 104, posted (10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 29694 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 103):
When I saw the UAE 787 in the second-to-last position while taking the tour last Friday, I was wondering how it ended up it the middle of the assembly line fully painted. There must have been some juggling with those ahead of it. I imagine the outfitting was a bit more involved than normal, so it probably had to be "inside" a while longer.


In all likelihood the "outfitting" hasn't even taken place yet. It's probably an "empty" airplane, meaning it has everything but seats just like any other BBJ Boeing turns out. It will spend the next few years at a mod shop where a VIP interior will be put in prior to joining the presidential fleet.


User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 29626 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 104):
It's probably an "empty" airplane

As explained on the tour, some sort of interior work was being done. The main question, though, is how/why it was painted first and (apparently) placed back in the assembly queue.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 106, posted (10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 29603 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 105):
As explained on the tour, some sort of interior work was being done. The main question, though, is how/why it was painted first and (apparently) placed back in the assembly queue.


Probably paint hanger scheduling since it didn't need as many days as most other paint schemes.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 107, posted (10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 29456 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 106):
Probably paint hanger scheduling since it didn't need as many days as most other paint schemes.

come on now.. that takes a whole lot online shuffling twice.. probably a full shift lost each time.. did it "roll out" this time from the same line used for body join, or did they switch lines?

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 105):
some sort of interior work was being done.

There is a good chance that the aft half will be a standard interior and seats for hangers on, and only the front half will get a special interior.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 108, posted (10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 29447 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 107):
come on now.. that takes a whole lot online shuffling twice.. probably a full shift lost each time.. did it "roll out" this time from the same line used for body join, or did they switch lines?


Having monitored the factory floor schedules over the years there's a lot more movement going on than one would expect. Pulling two out to get at the third one and restacking happens, generally in the middle of the night when nobody's watching, no big deal.

Quoting kanban (Reply 107):
There is a good chance that the aft half will be a standard interior and seats for hangers on, and only the front half will get a special interior


Even the 777 BBJ's which had "hanger on" seats in back after completion were empty for delivery. I can't remember seeing a VIP interior deliver with partial seats -- most times there are no carpets, sidewalls or bins either.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 109, posted (10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 29189 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 108):
Having monitored the factory floor schedules over the years there's a lot more movement going on than one would expect.

Maybe in Everett, but very seldom in Renton.. sometimes the airplane at the door was towed out so the one behind could leave early.. but that was very rare. And never was a plane sent to paint and returned into the line.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 110, posted (10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 29038 times:

Quoting Apuneger (Reply 93):
Anybody knows when ZA321 (LN137, OO-JDL) will have its first Boeing test flight?
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 94):
Should be today.

Here you go:


OO-JDL by Powercube, on Flickr

More pictures can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 111, posted (10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29017 times:

ZB021 wearing its test registration.


Around KPAE 11-13-13 by moonm, on Flickr

The UAE 787 parked at the fuel dock.


Around KPAE 11-14-13 by moonm, on Flickr

Our poor old LN79 finally on the move.


Around KPAE 11-13-13 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 112, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28354 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
JAL JA821J (LN20) is not going anywhere soon:

JA821J engines have been removed.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401407313065410560



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User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 113, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28276 times:

Seems the 787 APU issues are supposedly getting a fix. No more cool down or start restrictions required. Modified APUs will show up at United soon.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 114, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28190 times:

Boeing is now at 10/month on the 787. Please see my blog post.


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 115, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28066 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
JA821J engines have been removed.

Would think this is an upgrade in progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't engines specified via a separate contract from that of the frame (i.e. customer v. engine OEM)? If so, an engine swap would still comport with LN20 being the phantom 100th delivery by Boeing with JAL then possibly specifying to GE that it wanted PIP'ed (not to be confused with PIMPED) or new engines.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 114):
Boeing is now at 10/month on the 787. Please see my blog post.

Great news that it happened early. Sounds like you will continue to be one very busy blogger! Thanks!



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 116, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28039 times:

There is some movement at the EMC:

> LN5 was pushed inside
> LN13 was put out of storage and is now parked at the EMC
> LN25 was moved to the paint hangar

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/p...OOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 117, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28001 times:

LN 25 is in the paint hanger so it looks like it's ready to fly soon. See my tables for updates as of today.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 118, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28010 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 116):
> LN25 was moved to the paint hangar

I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

Pure speculation, of course.

[Edited 2013-11-15 11:36:08]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 119, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27961 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 118):
I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

I was thinking the same. LN30 and LN32 went back inside the EMC for 2-3 weeks after paint to finish final touches, but it's been 8 weeks for LN28 now.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 120, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27978 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 118):
I'm beginning to think LN 28 might have been the bird involved in the hydraulic line incident Matt Cawby reported awhile back. It had been in the EMC quite a long time when LN 26 and LN 25 moved in there, and had sat outside looking almost ready while they finished up the final work on LN 30. But now it's been in for quite some time longer and LN 25 appears to be jumping ahead of it.

Pure speculation, of course.

If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line? It is a bit strange but perhaps there are other issues with those particular frames.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 121, posted (10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27942 times:

ZB021 scheduled for an 3 hour ground engine test.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401437054669582336



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 122, posted (10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27942 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 120):
If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line?

That could certainly also be. 26 and 25 went in fairly close together, so there hasn't been the kind of unexplained delay yet with 26 that has happened in the past few weeks with 28.

It also looks from your latest update like there are no more 787s stored anywhere except on 11-29. Steady progress toward PAE looking less and less like VCV.   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 123, posted (10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27940 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 120):
If so, then why wasn't LN 26 sent into paint since it started change incorporation earlier than LN 25, unless it was the one that had the isues with the hydraulic line? It is a bit strange but perhaps there are other issues with those particular frames.

It happened before that an older one overtakes a newer one. Let's see if LN26 goes to paint directly after LN25.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 124, posted (10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27422 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 122):
It also looks from your latest update like there are no more 787s stored anywhere except on 11-29. Steady progress toward PAE looking less and less like VCV.

Except for all the 747s stored there like it was Marana.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5455 posts, RR: 30
Reply 125, posted (10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27377 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 122):

I haven't been checking up on the progress much lately, but does this mean that all the early reworked units are gone...or on their way?



What the...?
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 126, posted (10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 27143 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 125):
I haven't been checking up on the progress much lately, but does this mean that all the early reworked units are gone...or on their way?

Have a look at the charts on NYC777's blog. They will tell you everything you need to know.

8 frames still haven't yet entered change incorporation. The rest are on their way. The process won't be complete until 2015.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 127, posted (10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26996 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
JA821J engines have been removed.

Picture of the engineless JA821J:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9847a.png



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 128, posted (10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 26898 times:

ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131116/1600Z/KBFI/KVPS



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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 129, posted (10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 26727 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 110):
Here you go:

Many thanks!

Best regards,
Ivan



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 130, posted (10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26539 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 126):

I believe that there are now 7 that have yet to enter change incorporation.


tortugamon


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 131, posted (10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26282 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 128):
ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KVPS

Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 132, posted (10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26192 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 131):
Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Climatic_Laboratory


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 133, posted (10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25907 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 130):
I believe that there are now 7 that have yet to enter change incorporation.

I think you are not counting LN 4.  


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 134, posted (10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25822 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 133):
I think you are not counting LN 4.

Indeed I am not. Its being held at BFI which makes me think it will be involved in further flight testing or Trent Ten certification.

But you are right, it will need to go through change incorporation I am just not sure it will be done before 2015.

tortugamon


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 135, posted (10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25807 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 128):
ZB002 scheduled for a ferry flight to VPS.
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 131):
Does the Air Force have some sort of environmental testing there?

As 7BOEING7 noted, it's where Boeing performs their cold weather testing on the 787. The 787-8 also used this facility for cold weather testing.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 136, posted (10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 25659 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 135):

As 7BOEING7 noted, it's where Boeing performs their cold weather testing on the 787. The 787-8 also used this facility for cold weather testing.

You'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada...   It is nuts that the Air Force has a cold weather testing hangar in, of all places, Florida  



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 137, posted (10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 25660 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):
u'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada... It is nuts that the Air Force has a cold weather testing hangar in, of all places, Florida


From time to time they do cold wx testing where it's actually cold but for some tests it's much easier and cheaper to do it in the hanger -- you control the temperatures, not mother nature who can be fickle at times.

[Edited 2013-11-16 15:06:53]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 138, posted (10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25277 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):
You'd think they could just wait a month or two and fly it to Alaska or extreme northern Canada...   

With the delays to the 787-8, as I recall it wasn't Winter when she was ready for cold weather testing so that is why they used VPS. It may be that for the 787-9, Boeing is again using VPS for commonality (same environment).


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 25001 times:
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Line 20 was delivered and was at delivery center for the trip home.
GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues.
Not sure if it is limited to certain engines.
I was at PAE taking delivery of a legacy bird - got this info first hand.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 140, posted (10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 24990 times:
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Quoting 7673mech (Reply 139):
GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues.
Not sure if it is limited to certain engines.

Well there was an issue with the fan shaft on an AI GEnx1B that failed on a 787-8 during a runway test at CHS. And there was an installation issue with a low-pressure turbine stage-one nozzle on the GEnx2B that caused an issue on an Air Bridge Cargo 747-8F departing PVG.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 141, posted (10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24814 times:

So I missed a lot. Did 821J get stuck inside again?

What about the next NH delivery?

-Z



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 142, posted (10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24628 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 141):
So I missed a lot. Did 821J get stuck inside again?

Don't worry. you haven't missed anything since you logged in last. JA-821J is still sitting on the flightline, engines off. in the same stall. nothing more. nothing less. A quick look at Matt's blog (http://kpae.blogspot.com/) would have saved you the post

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 141):

A quick perusal of Uresh's spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtfsHdXQ5rl9dFp4b1hETmNQNzN0b2dSUlRNWEFOOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html) would have saved you the second post. JA-824A is still awaiting first flight in Charleston. that will be followed by painting in texas and then delivery in Charleston. Don't hold your breathe until mid-December at the earliest in HND before you share with us the landing pic.


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 143, posted (10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 24490 times:

Qatar Airways # 10 (LN 129 / ZA 469) on its B1 out of Charleston.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE469
A


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5756 posts, RR: 47
Reply 144, posted (10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 24239 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 143):
Qatar Airways # 10 (LN 129 / ZA 469) on its B1 out of Charleston.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE469
A

Strange that Flightaware didn't send out an alert until after the airplane was in the air. At least they didn't send it to me even though I'm a subscriber!



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 145, posted (10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23397 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 144):
Strange that Flightaware didn't send out an alert until after the airplane was in the air. At least they didn't send it to me even though I'm a subscriber!

I think flightaware is having technical problems. A majority of the commercial 787 flights have disappeared from flightaware in the last 24 hours while still appearing on flightradar.
A


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Reply 146, posted (10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23100 times:

B-2737 (China Southern) just filed what looks to be a B-8 flight rather than a C-1 (unless its a C-2?!?)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE386
A


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5455 posts, RR: 30
Reply 147, posted (10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23000 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 136):

The wait is over. They could do their cold weather testing anywhere in western Canadia right now...darnit. Where I am, we'll have a low of -24c tonight....-31c tomorrow.

[Edited 2013-11-18 06:19:55]


What the...?
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22906 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 102 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-9; QR-9; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; CZ-5; BY-4; BA-4; HU-3; AM-3; DY-2; BI-2; JQ-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – 11/4/2013 - AI #10
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12
L/N 85 - B–2730 – 11/8/2013 - HU #4
L/N 124 - N27908 – 11/12/2013 - UA #8

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 36 - B-2726 – ZA381 - CZ #6
L/N 136 - EI-LNC – ZA650 - DY #3
L/N 125 – JA833J – ZA187 - JL #13 (Charleston)
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – ZA216 - JQ #2
L/N 137 – OO-JDL – ZA321 - TB #1
L/N 104 - B-2737 – ZA386 - CZ #7 (Charleston)
L/N 131 - B-2731 – ZA435 - HU #5
L/N 119 - B-2735 – ZA387 - CZ #8 (Charleston)
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – ZA234 - AI #11
L/N 79 - B-2729 – ZA432 - HU #6
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 (Charleston)
L/N 132 - JA824A – ZA515 - NH #24 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 135 - N26909 – ZA293 - UA #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 141 – A6-PFC – ZA560 - UAE Presidential Flight (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 142 – VH-VKD –ZA217 - JQ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – ZA230 - AI #12 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 149, posted (10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22466 times:

JA821J has been fitted with engines again.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402496096896688128



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 150, posted (10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22245 times:

Never mind! Flightaware is broken.

[Edited 2013-11-18 12:17:12]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 151, posted (10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21977 times:

Exciting news from Matt C:

"Flight crew doing a B1 preflight on 787-9 N789ZB"
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402560743045746689

I was not expecting that for another week or so. The test program must go pretty quickly when you have three aircraft in the air.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 152, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 22069 times:

False alarm, looks like it is just a taxi test.

tortugamon


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 153, posted (10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21878 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 151):
Exciting news from Matt C:

"Flight crew doing a B1 preflight on 787-9 N789ZB"
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402560743045746689

I was not expecting that for another week or so. The test program must go pretty quickly when you have three aircraft in the air.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 151):
False alarm, looks like it is just a taxi test.


The B-1 preflight gets done before the taxi test -- the reason they may not have filed a flight plan/gone flying today is the wx was below "minimums". If the airplane is ok and the wx is better tomorrow it should get airborne.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 154, posted (10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21528 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 153):
If the airplane is ok and the wx is better tomorrow it should get airborne.

Looking forward to it.

ZB001 made it out and Sabian got a great photo on takeoff:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/10919185585/

tortugamon


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 155, posted (10 months 15 hours ago) and read 21018 times:

First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789
Cheers
A


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 156, posted (10 months 10 hours ago) and read 20612 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):

Matt C has indicated that the new flight time is 20:00 Zulu. So approximately 35 minutes from now. I assume it is still all white? Kinda thought they would have added a pinstrip and a Boeing logo or something. Hope there are spotters for some photos.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 157, posted (10 months 9 hours ago) and read 20525 times:

...and she is now taxiing. Matt C has a picture:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/402887188062281728/photo/1

tortugamon

edit: All white! The ghost plane.

[Edited 2013-11-19 11:59:52]

User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 158, posted (10 months 9 hours ago) and read 20460 times:

Not a great screen grab, but she's up and away....



[Edited 2013-11-19 12:19:23]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (10 months 9 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):
First flight of the 3rd 789 test aircraft (BOE 21 / LN 139 / N789ZB) has been filed for this morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE789
Cheers
A

In the air now!


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 160, posted (10 months 8 hours ago) and read 20284 times:

QR ZA469 (LN129) up on a B-2.

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 161, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 20065 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 160):
QR ZA469 (LN129) up on a B-2.


Actually this would be classified a FERRY flight not a B-2. Like paint flights from PAE to PDX these flights are probably being done under a "ferry permit" (which would not necessarily allow any production testing) and not a "production ticket", depending on what the agreement is with the FAA.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 162, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 20017 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 161):
Actually this would be classified a FERRY flight not a B-2.

Thanks. I overlooked that this was a flight to FTW.


User currently onlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 163, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 19981 times:
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Question: How are Line Numbers being assigned/determined between Everett and Charleston?


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 164, posted (10 months 4 hours ago) and read 19770 times:
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Quoting iahcsr (Reply 163):
Question: How are Line Numbers being assigned/determined between Everett and Charleston?

Generally the line numbers are assigned long before the decision is made as to which plant or line.. then they are divvied up generally on 3 in Everett 1 to Charleston (or so) basis.. 737 line numbers are more interesting with up to 3 lines going (plus the new 4th) two will run at the same rate, the P-8 is slower, and the MAX will initially be somewhere in between.

line numbers at contractors are straight sequential unless there is a split responsibility where two contractors are supplying the same assembly.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 165, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19353 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 164):
737 line numbers are more interesting with up to 3 lines going (plus the new 4th) two will run at the same rate, the P-8 is slower, and the MAX will initially be somewhere in between.

At the risk of dragging this off topic, I'm not sure the 4th (Max) line will be somewhere in between since it is only 2 positions and not a full line.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 166, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19265 times:

Here's a picture of ZB021:



A high-res version is available at:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...oeing-Flies-Third-787-9-Dreamliner



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User currently onlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 899 posts, RR: 1
Reply 167, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19212 times:

Love that shot/angle of the 789, looks like a 757 on steroids from that angle and that's got to be a good thing !

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19145 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 166):

A high-res version is available at:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...oeing-Flies-Third-787-9-Dreamliner

High res version also available here:

http://paineairport.com/images/K66016.jpg



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 169, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19086 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 148):
L/N 20 – JA821J – 11/5/2013 - JL #12

Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11636 posts, RR: 33
Reply 170, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19098 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 169):
Still hasnt departed PAE....I'd make special note of that.

Meanwhile you can watch the arrival of NCA's latest 747-8F.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...5/history/20131120/1430Z/KPAE/RJAA



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 171, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18719 times:
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Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 165):
At the risk of dragging this off topic, I'm not sure the 4th (Max) line will be somewhere in between since it is only 2 positions and not a full line.

The 737MAX line will be adjacent to the current 737 assembly line #1 and will have the same 7 stations as line #1. 737 assembly line 2 is being extended with one more position at a right-angle to the line.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 172, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18710 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 170):
Meanwhile you can watch the arrival of NCA's latest 747-8F.

Wish i could- I have an economics exam   


it's about time another 748 was delivered here  



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 173, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18365 times:

ZA432 (HU LN79) scheduled for a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131120/1830Z/KPAE/KPAE