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BA Could Add 5 New Routes To USA From LHR - Walsh  
User currently offlinehjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 896 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37831 times:

According to a flightglobal interview with Willie Walsh, the IAG CEO states that with the introduction of the 787, BA could add at least 5 new cities in the USA.

The article mentions that BA wanted to add these new routes for a while but was waiting for an efficient long-haul aircraft to do so. The new flights will use existing slots from BA's short-haul European network. The new routes will be on top of the new services to Austin, TX.

These statements were made at the Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit 2013 in Baltimore. Here's the link:http://pro.flightglobal.com/news/articles/BA-could-add-at-least-five-new-US-cities-Walsh-392523/

Since no one else has caught on this, I was wondering which cities would be prime candidates for the new service?
My thoughts are:

LH 442
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User currently offlinearielwar From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37757 times:

If the merger goes through I think CLT will be a no brainer

User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37726 times:

PDX might be a stretch. However perhaps with using a smaller aircraft than what LH did when that airline was at PDX this route might be marginally viable. It would certainly be nice to see BA at PDX though from a spotters point of view.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37575 times:

STL and SAN have to be in consideration. As far as I know, neither currently has scheduled service to Europe and they're the biggest MSAs in the country to not have that service.

[Edited 2013-11-06 18:04:03]

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User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37560 times:

BDL....quite a few companies in both Hartford and Springfield have pledged they would support a reliable trans-atlantic flight.

User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37498 times:
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SAN already has BA. Why not SJC?

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7300 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37451 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):

BA serves SAN now.

As for where BA might go? I'm not really sure but my 5 guesses would be:
CLT if merger goes through,
CLE? PIT? STL? I find it hard to see them at any of these.

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User currently offlinehpaeaa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37322 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):

I would love to see CLE but is there enough traffic that BA could pick up to the network (anyone know?)? PIT, wasn't this tried by DL?

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37322 times:

Don't forget IND. The IAA has been pushing for a trans-Atlantic flight to London for eons, but only now with the 787 is it feasible. Not to mention substantial business ties including (BA's engine supplier of choice) Rolls-Royce.

Perhaps BA could do IND-LHR with the 787, powered by Trent 1000s of course?

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 37174 times:

How about:

DTW (return)

Long shots I know

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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 37029 times:

I think BDL, BNA, and IND, and depending on the merger, CLT. Not sure about another city, although these are my guesses.

User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3448 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36995 times:
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Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 9):

I doubt FLL, as 1) DY is starting it from LGW, driving down the already low(ish) yields from FLL, and 2) the lower yields. If BA was to start FLL, I could see it with a 777 from LGW after the runway extension is complete.

I definitely see MSY, SJC, BDL, and PIT being feasible.

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User currently offlinebriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36992 times:

CLT BDL DTW SJC PDX is my guess

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1043 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36966 times:

What about:


MSP can barely support its current flight.

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36966 times:

I think these could be possible.
IND would be interesting.
MSP-Although I don't know if the demand is there for this one with DL serving it.

User currently onlinea380787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36966 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 9):
How about:

DTW (return)

Long shots I know

SJC isn't that long shot. Despite Bay Area being a strong presence of Star, BA has a competitive product that can lure some tech contracts their way (and Silicon Valley is rich as f... so filling front cabin is no issue) Lots of people would appreciate not having to endure 101 highway or San Mateo Bridge to get to SFO.

SLC/MSY are definitely super long shots

FLL but probably out of LGW

I'm really surprised LHR-DTW doesn't exist on BA considering LH does FRA-DTW

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36879 times:

MSY could be viable with the 787. It's the second largest market to W. Europe (behind STL) with no nonstop service based on PDEW. In a news article talking about BA's entry into AUS, it was stated that BA was deciding between MSY and AUS this go around. Don't be surprised to see BA in MSY in the next two years.

I can also see cities like CLT, STL, PIT, and DTW getting a 788 flight to London.

User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36854 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 9):

FLL is unlikely since it is primarily low yielding going to FLL. If BA were to have a flight at FLL, I feel it would be from LGW.

DTW; makes sense.

SJC; not too sure, I get the tech sector but I assume Asia is much more popular to them than LON.

SLC; could happen.

MSY; Probably LGW, I don't really know if there is much business traffic between MSY/LON.

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):

CLT; most likely, especially with the merger and US joining Oneworld
MSP; makes sense
PDX; I don't think so
STL; maybe, but the STL economy isn't doing well.

My guess; DTW, SLC, CLT, MSP, and TPA (a move from LGW)

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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36676 times:
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Quoting a380787 (Reply 15):
SJC isn't that long shot. Despite Bay Area being a strong presence of Star, BA has a competitive product that can lure some tech contracts their way (and Silicon Valley is rich as f... so filling front cabin is no issue) Lots of people would appreciate not having to endure 101 highway or San Mateo Bridge to get to SFO.

  . I've been thinking about SJC for a long time.
1. I think SJC would give BA lots of incentives to start service.
2. I do think service to the Silicon Valley is a no brainer contingent on the economy. Those who work there and need to fly to the UK and EU would be very appreciative of not having to drive up to SFO.
3. Next to no weather related delays compared to SFO.
4. Perfect route to start the 787 and if it does well they can eventually upgauge to the 77E or 789.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 17):
CLT; most likely, especially with the merger and US joining Oneworld
MSP; makes sense
PDX; I don't think so
STL; maybe, but the STL economy isn't doing well.

CLT seems like a given since it will become a OW hub with the AA-US merger.
PDX. Not sure if it can support an additional nonstop to the EU with DL flying AMS.
STL. If the demand is there, and they won't have to rely on transfers.
MSP. I don't think so. This is Sky Team-Delta Land. Doesn't DL have this market well covered from there, local and transfer??

User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36649 times:

BDL - though better served with an AA 757

and to think outside the box a bit


Also - wondering about SMF - does it leak to SFO?

Could they also switch TPA-LGW to LHR?

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21620 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 36618 times:

The 767 could go anywhere in the USA, so why do they need the 787 to make it work? Granted fuel prices are higher now, but when fuel was cheaper, the 767 was viable for these routes.


Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 19):
and to think outside the box a bit



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 3004 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36315 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 15):
I'm really surprised LHR-DTW doesn't exist on BA considering LH does FRA-DTW

BA used to fly the route. My very first trip to the US involved a BA Tristar going LHR-DTW with a stop at Mirabel. Concerning FRA-DTW, Germany's car industry might have something to do with this flight.

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 642 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36219 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 21):

Correct - IIRC it used to continue to IAH so full routing was LHR-DTW-IAH-DTW-LHR. Wonder why BA stopped it - must have been the usual "tag-ons aren't profitable" line. Surely a dedicated DTW-LHR would work with the 787 - although front cabin demand might be lower from DTW than other outstations (such as AUS/SJC).

User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36228 times:

Quoting hpaeaa (Reply 7):
PIT, wasn't this tried by DL?

DL goes to CDG on a 752. And its doing well. The city of Pittsburgh gave DL $9 Million Dollars in Subsidies. Those expired in 2011 and DL Continues to run the route 6 days a week on a seasonal summer basis.

User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36216 times:

BDL would be fantastic. Not only is there solid O&D but with the connecting opportunities I don't think they'd have much trouble filling a B787.

25 USAirALB : CLT, DTW, FLL, CLE, MSY would all be my guesses. PBI or RSW would be good guesses too, but I doubt BA would want to serve them ex LHR. I'm hesitant to
26 Mikey711MN : This should be a fun thread! Here goes... MSY CLT STL IND BNA -Mike
27 dtw9 : As much as I would like to see BA return to DTW I doubt that it will happen. With Delta going to twice daily DTW-LHR in the spring of 2014 I don't thi
28 legacyins : lets dissect this. not that I do not believe SJC is not a possible candidate. 1) All airports have an incentive plan to try to get new carriers. 2) T
29 FlyingSicilian : ending Bermuda II allowed them to fly from LHR to IAH non-stop so the tags were not needed.
30 ATLgaUSA : I can't imagine BA starting MSY. There would be virtually no business traffic, so the yields would be trash. LHR slots are too valuable to start long
31 AR385 : I believe you are talking about the LHR-ORD-IAH-ORD-IAH. It stopped because the only reason it had to make that stop was due to the Bermuda agreement
32 Polot : Back when fuel was cheaper BA was heavily restricted on where in the US they could fly from LHR though.
33 jetblueguy22 : I'm honestly surprised to see several people mention BDL. AMS was hampered by fuel costs, but it wasn't overly successful. I guess I never considered
34 doug_Or : There is a lot of venture capital sloshing around the south bay, wonder if any of it has any connections to finance centers in London? Hard to imagin
35 RWA380 : Well at least 3 other people believe in PDXs chances. BA has looked at PDX before, there are daily travelers on BAs SEA-LHR flight from the Portland
36 lightsaber : I see far more short haul slots being converted to long haul. Maybe not to the USA, but in general... That would be before the BMI purchase and the e
37 as739x : No BA hardly feels the effects of ATC delays at SFO. They are not given flow times and other then do some holds on the approach, but mostly run near
38 PDX88 : Why are there so many doubters for BA to fly LHR-PDX? With a 787 on the route, DL and BA could coexist profitably. I know there are plenty of business
39 MasseyBrown : CLE generates about 250 pax per day each way with Europe and the Middle East, with London the largest single traffic point. I'd like to see it too, b
40 BigGSFO : My guesses are Charlotte (pending merger), Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and Portland, OR. St. Louis is a possibility simply because it is one of the large
41 ikramerica : Yes I forgot that when fuel was cheaper BII required that one city lose its LHR rights if another city was added. This meant that routes like ANC-LHR
42 BigGSFO : AS could expand their relationship with BA to include feed in/out of Portland, the flight might have a chance for success.
43 PITrules : What has changed in Hartford after NW's BDL-AMS was a flop after just one season? I just don't see BA adding this. Perhaps AA with a 757 in a few yea
44 Indy : With the exception of CLT since it already has service to Europe, it would be clever of a European carrier to add spokes to those markets. That won't
45 UALWN : In the 80s it was LHR-YMX-DTW-YMX-DTW.
46 MACDADDY : Defo Portland, DTW and CLT (with Merger) id say, and heres a long shot with the 787, Hawaii!? - Can it do it on range?? Id really like Boise, ID and A
47 Post contains images PHX787 : Some I see I can easily see this! IND gets shafted with their air service yet they have an amazing economy. I see PIT coming back too, STL, maybe MSP
48 Post contains images VCy : I d also say New Orleans.. No direct service to Europe so why not ? Surely they could make it work with their 787. Just a thought
49 Johnwaynebobbet : I don't think you will see DTW.
50 koruman : I really wouldn't say that. I visit Indianapolis most years to visit relatives, but it is a city with a great but massively underutilised airport bec
51 bennett123 : Any news about which short haul destinations are likely to be axed to provide the slots?.
52 knope2001 : A quick list of largest urban areas on the US and their BA or transatlantic information. Note that population is *not* the perfect yardstick to judge
53 SelseyBill : There are plenty of options to 'find' slots by juggling seats on short haul, (ABZ comes to mind). The slots might not necessarily all come from short
54 globetrotter29 : The NW service was launched during the worst economic conditions in the past few decades. Now that the economy is much more stable (at least in the U
55 richierich : Kind of funny to talk about these as new routes. It doesn't seem that long ago that BA used to serve DTW, PIT and CLT. Not sure about MSP, did BA met
56 777STL : TW/AA ran a flight to LGW up until about November 2003 when AA commenced the first big drawback of service. The irony here is that STL has far more b
57 kgaiflyer : PIT airport authority keeps asking for increased international service. But when they finally get it, no one supports it. But BA works at BWI, PHL, I
58 BA0197 : And BA continues their history of being the most influential (and I do think the largest) foreign flag carrier in America. If they do add these 5 dest
59 OA412 : DL flies SLC-CDG.
60 brilondon : I see that if the merger doesn't go through, than it will be no brainer. FLL would not be a year round destination if one at all. AA and BA into MIA
61 hjulicher : I find it hard to believe that OneWorld would not serve this important market TATL, One World has so little presence in Detroit (save for RJ to Amman
62 ChrisNH : I am, too. BDL makes no more sense than places like Albuquerque or Tulsa or Dayton. And those cities aren't close to big gateways such as BOS & J
63 Flighty : True but if the merger goes through, AA/US will be quite large in MSP. LGA, DCA, ORD, LAX possible, MIA, DFW, PHX, PHL, CLT. SEA via codeshare. I agr
64 Post contains images SANFan : I think you meant 'AUS' instead of 'SAN'. bb
65 Post contains images BA0197 : Thanks for the correction. All these possible destinations!
66 doug_Or : PIT isn't a US hub anymore. I was rather shocked to see there wasn't a codeshare on this already. 1200nm out of the way and as you said, a no traffic
67 yellowtail : my bets would be DTW, CLT, MSY, SLC and moving TPA to LHR. Like LAS?
68 MasseyBrown : US still carries a million pax a year in/out of PIT and retains a large residual pool of frequent flyers in the region. The AA merger, assuming it ha
69 texdravid : SAT is way too close to AUS. HNL is too thin and very long. 7237 miles? Most British people love Florida and the southern Mediterranean.
70 bobnwa : my guess is BDL and RSW
71 apfpilot : What in the hell are you talking about? Regressing to third world status? Just major companies: Eli Lilly Exact Target Angies List Rolls Royce Roche
72 adamh8297 : BDL's catchment population is larger and i'm willing to bet its a bit more affluent and there's more industry that could be served by BA's LHR hub. Y
73 af773atmsp : BA has never served MSP, but the airport commission has discussed it in the past. I would welcome them as our third European carrier (after FI and AF
74 SFOA380 : ...obviously out to lunch. Indianapolis is an awesome, vibrant city! One point of clarification is that Roche Diagnostics is based in Indy. The Swiss
75 laca773 : This is true, and thank you for pointing that out, as739x. In any event, the 787-8 makes these routes a possibility, otherwise, they wouldn't. Perhap
76 Post contains images 747megatop : Similarly, down here in OC i would have wished for BA and other airlines to fly non stops to Europe out of SNA but i guess that will never happen bec
77 777STL : If you search his post history, you'll find he's not shy in proclaiming all US airlines to be trash and all Americans to be mouthbreathing, simpleton
78 kgaiflyer : I believe it's 97 miles. But PHL is 97 miles from EWR -- and just a bit further from BWI. IAD and BWI are 52 miles apart, and both have BA service.
79 BA0197 : As I understand it as well BA 787-9's will be 4-class birds. Does anyone have an idea on the delivery date of the 789s?
80 apfpilot : Wow, I didn't know that! Their complex is less than a mile away from where I live and I never payed attention to the signs. Thanks for the correction
81 United_fan : With no OW feed,why would they want to go to DTW ?
82 mbm3 : While I think CLE could and would easily support the flight, there is no way BA will accept the current FIS facilities. I also agree that PIT is a mo
83 Lexy : With the growth and amount of lobbying by the MNAA, I wouldn't rule out BNA on the 787. Most on here think of Nashville as a hamlet, but it's one of t
84 ATLgaUSA : I'm not overly familiar with the Nashville business community. What companies make up Nashville's "important business ties to Europe"?
85 Lexy : I don't have a break down in front of me. I would think, just off the top of my head, that the healthcare industry by itself would be a good start.
86 ely747 : Could Buffalo make it among the 5 and possibly attract some Canadians as well as tourists from the continent visiting the Niagara falls? Taxes should
87 knope2001 : A lot depends on what they are really going for. Some of the largest non-BA markets are hub markets for other airlines with ample transpacific service
88 Lexy : Interesting final list. I disagree with it (sans CLT), but interesting none the less. How can you justify MCI service to LHR? But not IND, BNA, or BD
89 flflyer : Move the flight from LGW to LHR for MCO
90 yellowtail : Or BA taking over the AA LHR flight at RDU?
91 tortugamon : I feel like many of the routes mentioned seem likely. I don't think I have seen RDU on the list. CLT makes sense because of the connections with AA/US
92 mham001 : The valley is pretty much booming right now and there is plenty of money living in the South Bay. Fly from SFO or SJC? That's a no brainer, many like
93 Viscount724 : With the 787 BA could consider becoming the first nonstop operator from Europe to HNL, about 3 x week or so. From Europe it's a relatively premium mar
94 Indy : Can someone summarize BA's 787 order and delivery situation? This would help put this discussion in a bit more perspective. I have no idea if we are l
95 Boeing74741R : I can't see FLL being operated when MIA just down the road is also served, unless traffic is due to pick up sufficiently from the likes of cruises an
96 777STL : I agree. MSP and DTW have been repeated several times, but is there really that much of a market in a second tier US city that is already a large hub
97 steeler83 : That's a fair assumtion and one that I somewhat agree with. However, London is still among the top international O&D markets out of PIT, so maybe
98 Post contains links ely747 : Already been discussed. UK To HNL, Is There A Market? (by readytotaxi Jan 12 2013 in Civil Aviation) And here Thomson Airways May Fly To Hawaii With
99 MSYPI7185 : I would love to see BA return to MSY. If they did I would imagine to LGW for various reasons. The cruiseship industry expanding here would also be ano
100 Viscount724 : BA serves quite a few other longhaul markets that are mainly leisure, MRU, BKK and LAS to name 3. I would think Hawaii would attract much the same ty
101 knope2001 : Indianapolis: 2 hours from CVG Paris nonstops and 3 hours from O'Hare mass of nonstop destinations Hartford/Springifled: 2 hours to JFK, 90 minutes t
102 SCQ83 : My bets: - BDL: Connecticut is one of the more economically stable, international and wealthiest areas in the US (I know that the wealthiest part of C
103 ely747 : Fair points. In regards to BKK there is some history of connecting traffic though. I don't want to sound disrespectful but I don't think Hawaii has g
104 psa1011 : I'm curious as to why AA flew SJC-CDG back in 2000 or so, and not SJC-LHR/LGW.
105 Viscount724 : The old US-UK bilateral prior to the US-EU Open Skies agreement in 2008 wouldn't have permitted SJC-LHR, and I've forgotten the details but I think U
106 legacyins : What I remember at that time, SJC was deemed a Co -Terminal with SFO and was not allowed to add LHR as the current treaty did not allow it.
107 adamh8297 : That's like saying BOS is close to JFK so TK never should have started BOS-IST.
108 MSYtristar : These numbers are from 2011. FWIW, as of 3Q2013, STL is the largest market without a nonstop to Europe. MSY is second. For the record the AUS figure i
109 koruman : I don't agree at all. Firstly, Hawaii is many, many times more physically beautiful than Mauritius. Mauritius is basically an average tropical island
110 SelseyBill : SAT is indeed close to AUS, but by the same measure you could say that BWI is close IAD or SJC is close to SFO. SAT is a huge market in its own right
111 Post contains links IcelandairMSP : If you would like another imperfect yardstick of Metropolitan Statistical Areas, try Metro areas ranked by median household income and per capita Here
112 PITrules : And metro area's ranked by gross domestic product: Top 30 metros without BA service: MSP DTW *SJC PDX CLT *STL *PIT *IND *MCI *CLE CVG (* indicates la
113 Lexy : HCA, Caterpillar, Comdata/Ceridian, Nissan, Bridgestone, LP, Clarcor, Mars, Vanderbilt, Emedeon, Cummins Diesel, and TONS of healthcare corporations.
114 AVLAirlineFreq : I think the KC MSA is only about 15% larger than Nashville's (2.039 million vs. 1.727 million). AA's closure of the BNA hub was so long ago (in both
115 koruman : How did you manage to omit Honolulu? It would have been second on the list behind Anchorage. Most of the responses on this page seem to ignore factor
116 Natflyer : A lot of the airports mentioned here could have been flown to Europe with a 763 or a 752. But no one has bothered. What makes people think it will wor
117 knope2001 : The numbers I used were consolidated metro area estimates released February 2013. The consolidated metro areas include adjacent metro and micropolita
118 PITrules : Except, that airlines HAVE bothered in the past. Of the 30 largest metro areas, the only ones to never have any service to Europe are SAT and SMF. No
119 Indy : But remember those airports are already there and IND still has over 200 people a day going to western Europe. So what will happen when IND gets nons
120 koruman : I'm sorry, but I don't think that that is anything like enough volume even in a world of 220 seat 787-8s. I live in Australia in a city you probably
121 Post contains images redzeppelin : Is there any reason to assume that the five new destinations would get daily service? Isn't it conceivable that that they could serve 5 new cities wit
122 dabpit : BA still has lounge space at PIT They also use to fly a 747 and 767 into PIT (not at the same time)
123 hohd : CLT - if the merger goes through STL - a good candidate since it is a large metro area, eventhough the economy is not so good, it has good feed from A
124 Indy : That 200+ people is likely only from the city of Indianapolis and does not include outlaying areas and it does not include people who have driven fro
125 Ana787 : PDX is a no brainer. Bus loads of people usually make their way up to SEA just to take the nonstop to LHR. This is a huge gap in PDX's network.
126 warden145 : Part of me tends to agree with you, and I admit that I'd rather not see BA go to SJC simply because I don't want to see SFO downgauged. However, by t
127 Lexy : Good points. The only, ONLY, reason they LHR-RDU flight is still there is because of Glaxo-Smith Kelin Pharmaceuticals. Had someone in Nashville step
128 ERJ170 : Can I see you numbers on this? I want to see where you can show me that AA is still receiving a subsidy on the route. I want to know why this route d
129 steeler83 : Back in 1992, they leased space at the then-new terminal. That of course expired last year if I'm not mistaken... I do remember the days when a daily
130 Lexy : Calm down! LOL! Seriously though, it MAY NOT be in effect anymore? I think finding proof one way or the other would require diving into documents not
131 BoeingGuy : Yeah they would. My folks live 6 miles south of SJC. Would you rather drive, or have someone drop you off at an airport 10 minutes away, or one that
132 FlyCaledonian : Portland gets mentioned a lot, and it seems a good contender. If some traffic currently flies through SEA that BA could get on a direct flight, then
133 ERJ170 : I would say Raleigh-Durham is about as special as every other metrolpolitian. It has it's businesses atmosphere.. it's tourist destination.. and it's
134 Lexy : Trust me, I come from Kentucky. We know how to pack out arena's for college basketball. That still isn't a huge draw for LEX or SDF respectively thou
135 ERJ170 : This is my last post on this.. The universities of the Triangle draw more than just sports. They draw research, education, and policies. They are majo
136 747megatop : RDU is already connected to LHR. BA already codeshares with AA on the RDU-LHR flight. Are you talking about a 2nd service on BA metal or replacing th
137 USAirALB : That's what I want to know. I have just noticed that CLTLHR recently surpassed RDULHR in O/D levels.
138 ERJ170 : I'm not talking about either.. not sure where that came from.. Interesting.. Good for Charlotte..
139 Lambertman : My top five, in order: -Minneapolis: Surprised it hasn't happened yet. Delta may dump a ton of capacity on the route but its not like British Airways
140 koruman : Funnily enough, this poster has unwittingly done a terrific job in explaining why secondary American cities can only work to the UK if the big corpor
141 MesaFlyGuy : To which UA flight are you referring? Because UA doesn't fly CLE-LHR.
142 AVLAirlineFreq : Nashville's business community has changed substantially since then, with the addition of several large corporate offices and headquarters (which hav
143 Post contains links and images rmoore7734 : Sure you have a TV show (Lizard Lick on Tru TV) Says the show is located just outside Raliegh http://www.lizardlicktowing.com/about Too bad the show
144 VCy : I can see las vegas moving to gatwick to make some slots available
145 Mah4546 : No, it hasn't. Raleigh-London is the larger local market, and the largest between North Carolina and any city outside the U.S. and Canada. It's more
146 Johnwaynebobbet : I believe it will stay at LHR as LGW already has a LAS flight.
147 VCy : Having said that, he said new US routes from Heathrow.. could that include MCO? They would be able to connect passengers from europe and the middle e
148 DeltaRules : I don't know how likely it is but, in articles in The Columbus Dispatch, it's been said that CMH has been chomping at the bit for a while to get some
149 USAirALB : Delete (double post)[Edited 2013-11-09 10:15:42]
150 humanitarian : About a year ago I was in a discussion where BA's name was mentioned as being interested in SJC. Btw, someone mentioned here that ANA's winter booking
151 Surfandsnow : I would certainly think that BA is considering markets where AA (and US) have sizable FFer bases. Along the lines of recently added SAN and AUS, forme
152 srbmod : That's probably one of the more likely scenarios. When BA started service to LAS, it was from LHR and not LGW and the LGW service was added later. Th
153 PHX787 : The success of the current NH flight proves that BA can probably make a killing on a flight here too
154 speedbird9 : Sounds like positive news, plenty of growth for British Airways especially as the B787 should open up plenty of new routes/destinations for BA. Can't
155 KD5MDK : If I were going to name 5 US cities which were going to get BA service that didn't have it already, I'd say: SJC - Major tech business, pull traffic f
156 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta has already expressed interest in starting SLC-LHR publicly awaiting the slots necessary. SLC probably is a good market and could support a BA 7
157 BHMNONREV : In my totally uninformed opinion, I think your list shows three of the five I would be looking at in no particular order: SJC STL DTW MSY BNA Wild ca
158 Post contains images RWA380 : Not sure how many people take the bus vs taking the train, driving or even flying, but I'm sure every BA plane that has left SEA, has had someone fro
159 SCQ83 : I wonder why so many people point here at STL, BNA, IND or CLE. No interest in the UK/Europe about Saint-Louis and any of those cities (in terms of to
160 SFOA380 : I think that many of the cities mentioned would do very well with new, international service to LHR. As I read through all the posts I muse at the fa
161 Post contains images SCQ83 : I am sure that wouldn't be an issue if we were talking about additional services to Tokyo or China...but if you are planning a service to London Heat
162 ltbewr : BDL - is pretty much between BOS and the NYC area airports, so likely a thin route with limited business travel you need for profits. CLE - makes sens
163 ANA787 : lol BA already flies a daily 747 to PHX. Perhaps you mean PDX.
164 BoeingGuy : He must have meant PHX. PDX doesn't have the heat problems that he referred to. My vote is: SJC PDX MSP MSY STL I think SLC could support a LHR non-s
165 777STL : I think it's fairly obvious that any of these routes would be driven by US originating traffic, no doubt. But you could make the same argument for an
166 BigGSFO : BA already serves PHX, year round.
167 ANA787 : When will the next BA destination be announced?
168 SCQ83 : SLC has a got Adobe and eBay campuses, and it is a major (and growing) center of operations for RBS, MS or GS, they got a new P&G plant... the Wa
169 slcdeltarumd11 : I just wonder what premium demand exists are places like IND, STL, MCI, BNA, CLE, MSY. Even if you combined connections to Europe and the middle east.
170 ANA787 : BA could easily start a codeshare agreement with partner AS at PDX to various western destinations. BA could easily codeshare on AS flights: PDX-EUG/
171 IADLHR : Business takes me to SLC, ABQ and other places in the west and southwest. More and more it seems that at hotels, airports, gas stations etc. I am run
172 gemuser : Until the EU/USA Open Skies Treaty in 2008 (?) BA could not serve STL, and many other US cities. IMHO therefor that argument does not work for any ci
173 CompensateMe : Not really relevant - DL's flight is catering toward its hub; plenty of other hubs have a larger disproportionate amount of local traffic:capacity to
174 Viscount724 : Not sure that's true for STL. British Caledonian served STL for a while in the 1970s, although I think it was combined with Houston originally and la
175 Post contains images PHX787 : They wouldn't take that heavy of a downgauge into PHX even during the summer. While the loads are a smidge smaller it seems that it's doing quite wel
176 brilondon : I see the focus more on the west coast SJC, PDX maybe and not to the midwest where AA is strongly entrenched.
177 KD5MDK : Now that AA-US goes through, I really don't expect BA at CLT. Those A333s will need to go somewhere, LHR is a great place to send it, and PMUS pilots
178 Indy : I think it will be a very long time before they get service again. If memory serves me right, the loads on the BDL-AMS flight weren't exactly very go
179 RWA380 : I agree with everything but MSP, I thin AA will have CLT covered, I'd like to see HNL .... Nike, Adidas North America, Freightliner, lots of Intel ca
180 JetBlueCLT : With the merger announcements.... I'm almost sure that BA will announce service to CLT in the coming months.
181 Post contains images uberflieger : I'd be very surprised if BA didn't start CLT and soon the 787 seems the ideal a/c initially, although larger planes and more frequencies wouldn't sur
182 PHX787 : Would there be both US/AA AND BA at CLT?
183 globetrotter29 : You are overlooking a huge amount of population. BDL's immediate catchment area (six Connecticut counties and four Massachusetts counties) is home to
184 uberflieger : with dominating hubs at both ends & a joint biz, definitely! WW supported the merger early on and with good reason, IAG & American together w
185 BoeingGuy : I thought that AS and BA still code-share. Did I miss something? Is that no longer true? People haven't mentioned it, but I believe NW/DL tried BDL-A
186 tonyban : Just my opinion. Would love to see BA reduce their twice daily into SFO to one with the A380 and the second re-routed to SJC in a 787. Considering the
187 slcdeltarumd11 : I think SLC o&d hides alot of potential numbers and it will certainly grow. I bet alot of Europeans fly into NYC spend a few days then fly to SLC
188 olddominion727 : I was also thinking SJC as well. With a 788. It would be perfect. There's a market for EU service or else AA wouldn't have flown to CDG before and TPE
189 SelseyBill : IMO, it would be more likely that AA/US start CLT-LHR operations and BA takes over flying LHR-RDU. I'd imagine that would be a much cheaper operation
190 SelseyBill : But we are aren't we ? (Signed @ 19:05 hrs GMT)..........
191 JetBlueCLT : Please explain to me how it would be cheaper for BA to fly to RDU and transfer that flight for an additional CLT-LHR on AA. I just don't understand h
192 SelseyBill : I don't think expansion into other USA markets is too complex for BA/IAG a all. Its all about timing and opportunity. The UK and USA seem to be emerg
193 upwardfacing : Exactly. SJC is still basically a community/regional/LCC-oriented airport that is rather close to SFO. When there are no nonstops even to the East Co
194 redzeppelin : I agree that it is possible, and it will be fun to watch if BA jumps the route ahead of DL or VS... It makes me wonder though-- I think SLC has just
195 USAirALB : I can't say much, but I heard from someone at CLT and US that BA won't come to CLT until 2015, but US/AA will start double-daily LHR service from CLT
196 Post contains images RWA380 : I really thought that ended, but seems you are correct, as BA is still listed as a travel partner. With that in place, I think PDX will be near the t
197 BigGSFO : Not debating the merits of linking Salt Lake to London, but one would think that if announced, Delta and/or Virgin would do the same and attempt to p
198 PITrules : Well that was not at all the result when United tried the same against BA at DEN, which is also a much larger market than SLC. Not that SLC is a shoe
199 slcdeltarumd11 : Frontier still operates Saturday SLC-CUN non-stop. I think the thing that makes SLC unappealing is that Delta has stated it wants to fly SLC-LHR alrea
200 Indy : Catchment area is kind of wishful thinking area. You can depend more on a metro area than a catchment area. You say the route was added during such t
201 Post contains images whosee : I would not be surprised by SJC at all. I had a thread a few months ago about SJC doubling the amount of int'l gates from 2 to 4 by January 2015. It w
202 TWA902fly : Here's my top 5 and reasons why; SLC - Strong economy, isolated location, affluent population. SLC is the most isolated metro over 1 million people in
203 andy33 : How much long-haul international flying does AA have out of RDU apart from the LHR route these days? If there's enough to have a decent size pilot, F
204 crAAzy : CLT will likely see BA service if for no other reason than LHR is a premium location, none of US planes have a F cabin, and I'm doubt we'll be seeing
205 PHX787 : Good ol' NDAs lol they leave us all guessing the authenticity of the post, but I can trust you, but at the same time I'll believe this when I see it.
206 ERJ170 : So which AA route will be cut so CLT can get this extra flight? I'm sure it won't come from BA soooooo.....
208 adamh8297 : Are these O+D numbers? NYC seems way off since it is usually 2 million per year total.
209 hjulicher : They are directional. US to LON
210 Post contains images Indy : Do these numbers indicate US origination city to London as a destination? Or is this based on passengers who have passed through a given US city, reg
211 Indy : I decided to test the numbers using a very easy city. I used the RDU - London entry. Based on the numbers given it would imply that 113 people a day t
212 Post contains images hjulicher : The numbers reflect the number of originating people in the US flying to LON as a destination from a given city. Thus this year if you flew IND-LON,
213 Indy : If it is Jan-Aug wouldn't that be 8 months? That time frame implies Jan 1 - August 31 or approximately 240 days. But I think I am on the same page wi
214 adamh8297 : For anything US-LHR on BA or AA, you need to look at the markets for the particular US City to Western Europe, Africa, Eastern Europe, MIddle East, a
215 Indy : The numbers posted earlier tell a completely different story. But honestly I think the numbers are pretty meaningless. The ones posted earlier are ba
216 slcdeltarumd11 : I'm kind of surprised to see CLT so low with years of service. We all know any city that gets a N/S the o&d numbers will increase.
217 PITrules : How can you draw that conclusion considering the earlier numbers dealt purely with O&D between XYZ and London (not including connections on eithe
218 Mah4546 : Absolutely not. MIALON is more than triple that size for a nine month period, and most of the other markets are also much larger than those numbers s
219 flyguy89 : Forgive me, I'm still a bit confused, what exactly is the difference between those numbers and the PDEW figures posted earlier?
220 hjulicher : So I decided to revisit the numbers and here are the O&D marketsizes for US-LON top 37 routes (included HNL). These are round-trip figures, and ba
221 adamh8297 : No its the same story. The numbers above are from a person hopping on a plane in RDU and whose final destination is LHR (nonstop or with stops). I lo
222 steeler83 : Regarding all the talk about PIT-London on here, that comes to roughly 84 pax daily on average traveling between PIT and London. I'm not sure if BA w
223 DolphinAir747 : LHR-SLC seems possible, but how much of the market is DL stealing with SLC-CDG?
224 slcdeltarumd11 : Probably none with CDG but probably a very large amount via JFK, DTW, and MSP. SLC is very unique of the cities for Delta because they can fill peopl
225 fpetrutiu : Ia m still hoping for LHR-MCO... one can only hope...
226 bigfoot0503 : PDX is an absolute no-brainer for BA service. As previously stated the MSA stats for the Portland/Vancouver, WA/Salem area are among the highest for
227 U271437 : Which other US-routes is BA going to use its A380s on?
228 slcdeltarumd11 : I think PDX has the highest demand without a N/S to LON? That plus a FF agreement already in place with AS seems like PDXhas to be one of the 5. SLC l
229 ord2010 : MIA was announced, I'm sure JFK, maybe SFO, that's all I can see them doing, maybe ORD down the road but the facilities aren't there for it, I don't
230 brilondon : Would you expect the flight from LGW to be transferred to LHR or would you think that there would be sufficient demand for both flights?
231 slcdeltarumd11 : Where is MCO? MCO-England demand is HUGE LON includes all three airports I thought
232 seat1a : Slightly different question, given all the O&D passenger data presented. I'm sure BA doesn't/wouldn't publicly share profit/loss information by ro
233 crAAzy : SFO might also be a possibility but let's remember BA is only going to have a dozen A380s and they've already committed to flying HKG, LAX, MIA, and
234 KD5MDK : It's the third one listed, named ORL in the list.
235 MasseyBrown : ORL? Isn't that Orly (Paris)?
236 Post contains images warden145 : Note that it also shows "CHI" for Chicago instead of ORD, not to mention "LON" instead of LHR. Also, IIRC ORY is Orly, and according to hovering over
237 KD5MDK : Not to mention NYC, WAS, HOU, DTT, MKC.
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