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NZ Announces First 787-9 Route And Cabin Config  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12170 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23813 times:
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First 787-9 route announced: Auckland - Perth, followed by Auckland - Tokyo and Auckland - Shanghai.. Cabin configuration will be

18 lie-flat Business Premier zone in a herringbone layout
21 premium economy (2-3-2 layout).
263 in economy, including 14 rows of 'Skycouch' (32 inch seat pitch, 17.2 inches wide).

302 seats total.

Premium Economy passengers will also finally get priority baggage treatment.

http://theflyingsocialnetwork.com/site/article/auckland-perth-787
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11153204

Economy http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futur...t/#!experience/economy/economyseat
Economy Skycouch http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futur...ce/economyskycouch/economyskycouch
Premium Economy http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futur...erience/premiumeconomy/premiumseat
Business http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futur...rience/businesspremier/premierseat

Nice to see NZ finally announce the layout and first routes. Really good to see the 787-9 won't be in much of a leisure configuration as first thought

[Edited 2013-11-06 21:38:49]

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User currently offlinesonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23785 times:
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302 seats? That seems a pretty dense layout aka heavy on Economy class. I suppose it could've been 31" but still that seems fairly tight.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23703 times:

NZ has also released images on their 787 seats:

Premium Economy
Economy, including SkyCouch

More details via AusBT


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23584 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Nice to see NZ finally announce the layout and first routes. Really good to see the 787-9 won't be in much of a leisure configuration as first thought

Still, 18 business class seats is significantly less that the (smaller) 767's 24 seats.

On the other hand, the new premium economy looks great, and is what I've always thought should have been installed on the 77W instead of the gimmicky 'spaceseat'!

[Edited 2013-11-06 21:43:20]

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23465 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 3):
the new premium economy looks great, and is what I've always thought should have been installed on the 77W instead of the gimmicky 'spaceseat'!

      

I could not agree more.


It's a shame that they didn't invest in a new J seat, as that model is - what - over 10 years old now?



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User currently offlinebwwt From Australia, joined Jul 2013, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23347 times:

Looking good! So the space seat didn't work? I was under the impression that it was liked?

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23156 times:

What happened to the 789 coming in around April? or is doing AKL-SYD training flights from April to October?

User currently offlineFirstClass From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23134 times:

I personally like the space seat on the 777 300s. It's very comfy and much more flexible than their 787 E+.

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23091 times:

The seat map is now online http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-map-boeing-787-9

User currently offlinekeen2fly From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 61 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22919 times:

I must say I am quite surprised that there are so few business seats, I was expecting around 24, but I guess these leisure markets won't be so business-heavy. I really like the look of the new Premium economy seats, the old "spaceseat" was just so awkward to sit in, not to mention the seat actually was quite small. This new one looks like a return to a good ol' recliner, I've always liked them. Can't help but notice the screens will be only 9" in Y, I know when the seat pitch is only 31-33" you're not going to notice that much but I think it's interesting that they didn't go for a 10" option. Anyway, not anything that deviates too much from the expected. Will be looking forward to trying it out someday.

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22894 times:

Its a pity that the black from the new livery/branding has filtered down to the cabin colour-scheme. I always thought that white looked good on the Premium Economy and Business Premier seats (as seen in the 77W).

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
is doing AKL-SYD training flights from April to October?

I sure hope so, or domestic. If the route is AKL-PER, tickets for the first flight (which I'd rather like to be on) will be extra expensive.  Wow!
Quoting zkncj (Reply 8):
The seat map is now online

   Economy will have a 3-3-3 configuration. A real pity considering the brilliant 2-3-2 configuration on the 767s.



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22860 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
I sure hope so, or domestic. If the route is AKL-PER, tickets for the first flight (which I'd rather like to be on) will be extra expensive. Wow!

$519 on the current Tasman Sale, note the the route map for the 789 is AKL-CHC, could be for the Japan flights...


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22417 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 3):
On the other hand, the new premium economy looks great, and is what I've always thought should have been installed on the 77W instead of the gimmicky 'spaceseat'!

Yeah, it's the same Premium Economy seat as Cathay (as I had expected all along); except unlike CX, NZ is installing proper leg rests in each seat! It'll be a really nice mini cabin. The fact that it's in the 1st section will also give it a bit more exclusivity.. And hopefully that toilet just behind 2L is only for Y+.

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 9):
I must say I am quite surprised that there are so few business seats, I was expecting around 24, but I guess these leisure markets won't be so business-heavy

Precisely why it's so densely configured..

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 9):
Can't help but notice the screens will be only 9" in Y, I know when the seat pitch is only 31-33" you're not going to notice that much but I think it's interesting that they didn't go for a 10" option.

I wonder if this is just to standardise the product in the long haul fleet, rather than to release something that is more in line with what SQ/EK/QR are now installing. But if you're complaining about the Y PTV being 9", how about the J PTV at 11" - the same size as the Y+ PTV!?

[EDIT]: after taking a closer look at the pictures, it seems like they've chosen the Panasonic eX3 product (same PTV as eXLite which CX, AA, UA and many others have chosen). Maybe the particular model doesn't have a bigger size..


Quoting zkncj (Reply 11):
note the the route map for the 789 is AKL-CHC, could be for the Japan flights...

Where's this?

[Edited 2013-11-07 00:29:38]

[Edited 2013-11-07 00:45:06]


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22119 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):

Nice to see NZ finally announce the layout and first routes. Really good to see the 787-9 won't be in much of a leisure configuration as first thought

I'm the opposite, I was thinking a few more J seats, so its more leisure than I expected.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 11):
note the the route map for the 789 is AKL-CHC, could be for the Japan flights...

I'm guessing once they fly to NRT it will do NRT-CHC at least seasonally like they currently do.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22037 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
I'm guessing once they fly to NRT it will do NRT-CHC at least seasonally like they currently do.

I thought NZ90 which goes NRT-CHC-AKL was year round, just on specific days.. And therefore by then, they'd have enough 787s to operate all NRT flights, including the one via CHC.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21982 times:

It's fascinating that there are only 18 Business Premier seats.

It means that the 789 is probably not actually going to be able to be used for Honolulu and Papeete, because that is substantially less than current demand.

For the last 18 months there have only been a maximum of 2 award seats per flight, yet each 763 or 77E flight that I have taken to either destination has had loadings above 22/24 (763) or 23/26 (77E).

The only way they can use the 789 on those two routes is if they allow Premium Economy to cannibalise existing Business Class demand, which makes no business sense at all.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21904 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):

I thought NZ90 which goes NRT-CHC-AKL was year round, just on specific days.. And therefore by then, they'd have enough 787s to operate all NRT flights, including the one via CHC.

Only operates via CHC in the NZ summer.

Interesting it says NRT and PVG will be 787s by end of 2014 when 3 aircraft will be in service, those 2 routes need 3 aircraft between them, are only some flights initially going 787? Or maybe its all NRT and 3-4 weekly PVG until more 787s arrive.

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
It means that the 789 is probably not actually going to be able to be used for Honolulu and Papeete, because that is substantially less than current demand.

Hmm, maybe more flights then, HNL mainly, I'd of thought the same of PER needing more J.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21863 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):

I suppose the 789 isn't optimised for NZ's products.. Filling up the entire front section would seem to add another 12 J seats, taking the number to 30. That means pushing Y+ back behind 2L/R. Obviously doable, but maybe it'll put an emphasis on the fact that the 787 for now is only for lower yielding routes while the 772 will be on HNL/PPT etc.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21791 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
followed by Auckland - Tokyo

WOOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!      
This will be fun to spot! Is this going to HND or NRT?

Looks like I'm gonna have to plan a trip to AUK sometime soon  



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21773 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Is this going to HND or NRT?

NRT

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Looks like I'm gonna have to plan a trip to AUK sometime soon

You should go, I've heard that Alaska is nice at this time of year     



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21674 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
You should go, I've heard that Alaska is nice at this time of year

   whats the code for Aukland? AKL? I'm horrible with New Zealand as you can see  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
NRT

Ahhhhh.....that costs ¥3000 each direction to go to   



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21546 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
What happened to the 789 coming in around April? or is doing AKL-SYD training flights from April to October?

I thought the 1st 789 will be delivered in July 2014, or has that changed?

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
Economy will have a 3-3-3 configuration. A real pity considering the brilliant 2-3-2 configuration on the 767s.

This is worse than the 77W and 77E. The seat map only shows 34JK as the only pair in the Y cabin.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21481 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
It means that the 789 is probably not actually going to be able to be used for Honolulu and Papeete, because that is substantially less than current demand.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 17):
I suppose the 789 isn't optimised for NZ's products.. Filling up the entire front section would seem to add another 12 J seats, taking the number to 30. That means pushing Y+ back behind 2L/R. Obviously doable, but maybe it'll put an emphasis on the fact that the 787 for now is only for lower yielding routes while the 772 will be on HNL/PPT etc.

I've been writing for years that the 789 is basically a slightly more efficient 777-200ER and the almost identical seat count for Air New Zealand basically proves it.

77E: 26 Business / 36 Premium Economy / 242 Economy (304 seats)
789: 18 Business / 21 Premium Economy / 263 Economy (302 seats)

But the very low Business Class seat count - which is perfect for Shanghai - doesn't just make it unsuitable for Honolulu and Papeete, it also makes it very marginal for Perth, where cashed up miners tend to commute from their NZ homes, taking full advantage of the bar and the beds.

Basically, for Honolulu there are three options, and only three options.

1) Run the 777-200ER three or four times weekly year round to maintain existing Business Class capacity.

2) Run the 789 five or six times weekly to maintain existing Business Class capacity, but in the process increase Economy capacity by almost 50%.

3) Run the 789 three times weekly outside the school holidays, and the 77E four times weekly during the holidays.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12170 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21471 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19): You should go, I've heard that Alaska is nice at this time of year
whats the code for Aukland? AKL? I'm horrible with New Zealand as you can see

Yes AKL for Auckland


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21440 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 21):
I thought the 1st 789 will be delivered in July 2014, or has that changed?

July was also what I had in mind. Even so, that's still 3 months.. Even the 77W only took about 3 weeks to start proving flights.



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25 keen2fly : The NZ 77W has the 10.6" screens in Y, so I was just intrigued as to why they decided on smaller screens this time around, not complaining, just obse
26 CXfirst : As a PER resident, I am glad to see that being confirmed. We've already had QR 787 announced, with nothing happening.... However, at the same time, i
27 NZ107 : Don't forget the 77E will go 10-abreast after the retrofit. I wonder if it's a sign for things to come in the PER market - either CHC-PER will do wel
28 qf002 : QF is using eXLite on their A330s and has already indicated that they'll have 11" PTVs in Y. I think it's probably got to do with the restrictions of
29 kevinkevin : Quoting second picture.. where's the feet going to go?
30 timb777 : Interesting, I hadn't made the link that it is the same seat as CX uses. I guess that good Y+ product consistency will soon be afforded on the AKL-HK
31 koruman : I don't actually agree: Air NZ always introduces its long-haul aircraft on routes to Australia to get the crew up to speed. I think the ultimate vehi
32 timb777 : As has been announced, the refurb 77E's will have the new Y+, not the 'spaceseat'
33 ZWTwinOtter : Wouldn't a Star Alliance route to ORD make sense, or am I missing something ?
34 koruman : I think that you're "missing something." 1. It would be such a long-range flight that costs would be huge: the weight of the fuel would be a major fa
35 tortugamon : Yes the cabin length is nearly identical between the 789 and the 77E. I don't think similar cabin structures are going to be a surprise to many. I do
36 JAAlbert : Not crazy about that herringbone business pattern - those great big windows and all the seats rotated away from the view! No thanks.
37 ben175 : Very excited to see PER get the first ever 789 route. I imagine we're going to become a 787 hub similar to how we see dozen's of A330's here daily.
38 cosyr : I flew AKL-NRT in August, and there were 6 of us in J. It was a weekday, but it certainly doesn't command the same traffic that AKL-LAX does. I'm als
39 Post contains links zkncj : http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futuretakingflight/#!wherewefly I would say first long haul route, I'm pretty sure NZ will do a couple of AKL-MEL/SYD/B
40 EddieDude : Interesting! The premium economy seat looks quite good. Would love to try it sometimes. I wish all Y seats (Skycouch or not) would have 33 inches of p
41 Post contains images lightsaber : NZ has a 2-3-2 configuration for Economy or more precisely premium economy. If a customer wants space, they will have to pay for it. The 789 and even
42 zkncj : They have been doing less short-haul flights in the past 6 months as the Tasman demand is been enough to fill 772/77W multiplie times a day. Maybe it
43 Post contains images lightsaber : They should go to more 763ER frequency and free up the 77Ws for other routes. Lightsaber
44 NZ107 : I put NZ's Y+ product ahead of CX's for the following reasons - 3" more legroom, everyone has a proper footrest (on CX, only the bulkhead seats have
45 Viscount724 : What accounts for the high business class demand to HNL? In most other markets Hawaii is strongly leisure-oriented. From Canada, for example, there's
46 gasman : I'm over the herringbone too. In typical NZ fashion, it seems to me to be a means of "clawback" - ie, making a subtle product downgrade that the trav
47 tortugamon : I wonder about this myself. We have seen 787-8s take over 77E routes already. UA for example has downsized a number of Asian routes with it. When the
48 aerorobnz : 9 abreast is industry standard, 32" is the same as many 788 operators and exceeds LAN and QR31" pitch. NH 8 abreast (which I have been lucky enough to
49 zkncj : The 77W are used in between longhual sectors which would be other sitting on the ground allday
50 sunrisevalley : In a concurrent thread in Tech /Ops it was determined that a 77E at 301-seats had a block fuel burn of 82.6t for a 6000nm sector. The 789 with the sa
51 tortugamon : I had the savings pegged around 20% and considering the 77E in NZ configuration fits 4 abreast in J and 9 abreast in Y+, I knocked down the CASM adva
52 koruman : I fly this route often, always in Business Class, so I'll give you a number of answers: 1) SECTOR LENGTH / SLEEPING Most flights from the US mainland
53 sunrisevalley : That requires a 16hr airplane with better than max passenger load. The 789 just gets under the wire on that one. Is a 30t payload before adjusting fo
54 aerorobnz : My feeling is that IAH offers largely the same Star Alliance destinations that ORD offers in a (closer) and nicer airport without/reduced payload iss
55 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Unless you are heading to the likes of Appleton, WI, or Lincoln, NE, then IAH is definitely the better option from AKL. I would expect that route at
56 Post contains links motorhussy : The seat map gives a good perspective of how they fit in all those seats in the various classes... http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-map-boeing-787-
57 motorhussy : Now when they assign these new Y+ seats to the 77E fleet, does it mean they have a 2-4-2 layout? I'd have thought so. And they look very comfortable,
58 byronicle6 : Yes, not only that but is also a shorter total distance to most of the major East Coast Cities (JFK, EWR, BOS, IAD, ATL) as well as much less of a si
59 nojetlag : 18 lie-flat Business Premier zone in a herringbone layout!! That means the business class Coffin lives on Other airlines have tried this and its been
60 Post contains images aerohottie : I agree... I much prefer the new Cathay/American Business class seat [Edited 2013-11-07 18:52:00]
61 koruman : I disagree. Air NZ's long-haul aircraft fly hardly any daytime long-haul sectors. The only ones I ever fly on are AKL-HNL northbound and LHR-LAX west
62 StuckInCA : Wow. What in the world are they thinking naming something skycouch? I can't tell if that's something they sell at a premium or a discount. I would hop
63 Post contains links zkncj : Its sold at 1.5x the price of an Standard economy seat, and you book as a couple which gives to the middle. Check out http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/
64 StuckInCA : So it's 3 seats for the price of 3? With a (not so) catchy name and the ability to turn your foot space into a flat ottoman? I'm sure someone underst
65 sunrisevalley : So true. Needs about a 14hr 30min airplane for westbound . For this the 789 is good for ~ 38t less the DOW allowance. Pretty good payload. Depending
66 NZ107 : 3 seats for the price of 2.5, assuming that not all seats are sold, or something like that IIRC. That's the only way it works. You'll find more with
67 leonardoq : I read a couple of months ago NZ would try new destinations in South America when the 789 arrived... However, I dont know exactly where they were sayi
68 RayChuang : I wonder does the 787-9 have the range to eventually fly AKL-SFO?
69 Post contains links and images motorhussy : Doesn't sound like you've flown on this. The ottoman can be used as a chair for someone to sit opposite you so you can chat, have a drink or even din
70 mr airnz : Right from delivery the company could send it to SFO if they so wished but that's not what it's being configured for. North American routes have stro
71 motorhussy : NZ's Lat Am Holy Grail is direct-non-stop flights to GRU. LA fly to SCL from AKL, QF to SCL from SYD and AR have flights to SYD from EZE. No airline
72 RayChuang : Given the fairly strong demand for flights from LAX and SFO to AKL, I'm not surprised that NZ will fly the 77W on these routes. I believe the 77W's w
73 zkncj : At this stage they are due in April and September with the last 744 service on AKL-SFO-AKL around mid September. This will more likely happen by airc
74 sunrisevalley : Uh , where did you get that one ? There was conjecture that during the battery issue that the FAA might revisit the ETOPs approval for the 788 but th
75 sunrisevalley : NZ have 10 789's coming. With the announced configuration does this mean all are expected to be deployed into Asia? The expectation was that the lease
76 cchan : From memory, NZ owns 4 of the 77E. Looking at the main 77E long haul routes currently, the remaining 77E long haul routes seem to be just HKG and YVR
77 zkncj : The latest is that the all 8x 772 will remain in the fleet, they are also all getting the product refit with 3-4-3.
78 cchan : My impression is that the delivery of the last few 789s could be around the time 77E leases expire, but I could be wrong.
79 mr airnz : Luxon was very clear in a recent interview about having a fleet of 25 widebody aircraft going forward. When the 77Es do start to go, I think we can t
80 sunrisevalley : Right now they have 20 if you count in the 2 -744 part timers. This is a 25% or 33% fleet increase depending how you look at it . This means somethin
81 EK413 : I'm not a big fan of the coffin J/C seats as they seem to give a feel to it. Also curious what's the unit directly below the Y/C seats? Life jacket? E
82 aerorobnz : I just flew LAX-AKL 5 days ago in Business Class on the 77W (ZK-OKO to be exact) and having done many previous sectors on the 744/77E also with the o
83 NZ107 : Wasn't that the original plan, ie before the 789 started getting delayed? It's absolutely amazing. No, I haven't tried the NZ J product or CX's coffi
84 koruman : All 8 77Es are now leased, but all 8 are now intended to remain in the fleet indefinitely. That leaves: 7 x 77W (I think) for LAX, LHR, SFO 8 x 77E ev
85 NZ107 : No 77Es will be needed for SFO as the 2 77Ws will cater for daily SFO flights; and the 77E only used to LAX over summer months, but only a few times
86 Kaiarahi : If it's the same as the CX seat, 19.3". However, the NZ Y+ seat has 3" more pitch and 1" more recline than the CX version.
87 sunrisevalley : The elapsed round trip time for each aircraft would be about 42 hrs from AKL and 49-hrs from SYD. I am assuming a mid-night departure from PPT to the
88 mr airnz : Not quite. The 77E does the NZ4/3 rotation in the schedule ranging from once weekly to multiple flights per week depending on time of year. They also
89 MilesDependent : I notice on the PTVs it says "Welcome Jessica/Paul etc". Are NZ planning on having a welcome message on the PTV much like they do at hotels? Or is thi
90 byronicle6 : Yes, already in place on existing aircraft, and has been for a while now.
91 Post contains links motorhussy : Yes perhaps it was and I've looked into it again and found that... From... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS And a very interesting article at... ht
92 seabosdca : When you have 789s that have only marginally higher trip costs than 763s but nearly half again the capacity, the 763s start looking less attractive.
93 kiwiandrew : I think another issue with retaining the 767s would be crewing them... as the 787s come online they are going to need crew.(I assume that the flight
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