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What Does Short Final Mean?  
User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

What does short final mean??

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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

I wanna know, too!

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Without sounding rude it means Short Finals !!

You know the final part of the approach to the runway.


User currently offlineGive it a GO From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Short finals may be declared if you are nearer the runway threshold than you would normally be when you announce "Callsign Finals R/W **" (I fly a light aircraft out of a busy international airport)

This may be used when some other pilot has choosen the moment to spill out his aircrafts life history to the ATCO on the tower frequency.

Hope this clears it up for you


User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Sorry..but what is "Callsign Finals R/W **" ??

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Is there no real definition of it? Is it just a guesstimate of "I think we're close to the runway now"????

I would have thought it has a real meaning...

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Short finals means you are approaching and somewhat near to touchdown.

alvin



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Doesn't it mean that your turn onto final approach is shorter than normal, which in turn makes it harder to align and get your altitude. Thats only a guess but thats my best.

Grant



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User currently offlineBobsmuggle From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Im sure this topic came up about a month ago!

The only time i ever say short finals is when the controller has forgotten to give me clearance to land and im pretty much seconds away from the runway. All i say is "callsign short finals rwy 28L" or whatever runway im on and that usually gives the controller a kick up the pants and they give the clearance straight away. I dont know any other time you would use it.

Paul


User currently offlineSunken_Lunken From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4007 times:

There really is no definition of "short" for short final (at least I am not aware of any). "Short" is a relative term, and like others have said, it is generally used when a plane is aligned with the runway, and close to landing.

I have used it sometimes when giving a position report in the pattern at non-towered airports when there are multiple planes in the pattern. If I am close to landing, and there is another plane behind me on final, I will report that I'm on short final. This makes it easier for someone on the downwind leg to spot the other plane (behind me) on final.

Otherwise, if plane X behind me reports "final rwy 24", plane Y on downwind might see me and think I am the one who just called in on final. Then plane Y might inadvertantly turn base and cutoff or create a collision hazard with plane X on final.

There are of course other times when you might hear the term "short final" as others have described, but there is no specific meaning to "short". To some it means they are over the airport property, to others about to cross the threshold, or "over the fence", etc.

Hope this helps.

Sunken


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3992 times:

may be requested by ATC. That means u have to shorten your downwind, base and final, and land as quick as u can.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3984 times:

In ATC jargon, there are several phrases that substitute for "QUICK!" or "GOOD GOD MAN MOVE YOUR ASS!".... Smile/happy/getting dizzy

When you hear ATC say "cleared for immediate takeoff" that really means "don't think. don't wait. see those levers on your center console? PUSH EM FAST, or you'll have a 737 in your lap"

When ATC mentions that an aircraft is on "short final", he's really saying "the guy is so close he can read your tail number." It's basically the aviation equivalent of "INCOMINNNNNG!"

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineJabpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Most often ATC uses this term to advise an approaching aircraft to an airport of where another aircraft is in relation to the same Airport or Runway.

Example: Aircraft-"Burbank Tower, United 11 Visual approach Runway 8".

ATC- "United 11 Burbank Tower, Runway 8 Cleared to Land, following a Cessna on Short Final".

It just one of the many ways to give a pilot the idea of the traffic situation at an airport.

Jeff

User currently offline40ktsoffog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

I understand it as less than 8 miles.( U.K)

User currently offlineJabpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

And where do you get your information from? This whole post is full of wrong information, I've tried explaining it correctly.

Jeff

User currently offlineErasmus From Italy, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

A pilot says he's on short final, when he's getting within a few seconds of landing.
This will wake up the atc controller, letting him know that he forgot to give a landing clearance yet.
Or it might be telling the guy on the runway to hurry up in vacating it, so that the following A/c doesn't have to make a go-around.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

THIS SUBJECT IS A JOKE!! Short final is not that hard of a concept, it is when an aircraft is close to the runway. What is so hard about that? Close depends on the pilots/controllers involved!
Iain


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