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Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown  
User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1476 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27503 times:

US 747 freighter operator Evergreen International Airlines has announced to employees it will be closing its doors effective Friday, Nov. 29.

The closure will eliminate most of the parent company's remaining workforce.

Here is story:
http://newsregister.com/blog?article...n-source-blog#.UnxBz7XQLzg.twitter


Maybe not much of a surprise to those watching the company in recent years.
After being almost fully dependent on military activity for a decade, EZ has seen its fleet shrink to barely 3 operational aircraft in recent times while also experiencing all types of financial issues including having aircraft being grounded and inability to make payroll in a timely manner.

[Edited 2013-11-07 21:11:19]

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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3128 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27434 times:
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What a shame, I think EV has one of the prettiest liveries in the skies.  

I've gone through JFK many times in the past few months and every time there have been 2 744s at the hangar and one ex-KE plane that I'm not sure if it belongs to them or not, but it is parked at their hangar.

I wish all the employees (and the planes, because we've seen what it's been like unloading used 744s lately) the best of luck!!



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User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27302 times:

I'm wondering, did Boeing possibly see this coming when they shifted their Dreamlifter ops from Evergreen to Atlas? Or was that simply another nail in the coffin?

User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27288 times:

I was happy to see one of their jets in the SV Cargo livery over New York this past summer.

It's too bad they are going out! From what I read, they were a pretty good cargo airline. I also liked how they picked up N779BA and left in the untitled Korean Air livery.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26970 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 3):
From what I read, they were a pretty good cargo airline.

On the contrary, Evergreen represented the lowest common denominator in the industry. Their aircraft was barely serviceable, and always operated with a multiple of malfunctions in the cargo loading system. Their ground handling services were even worse. They paid their staff a pittance, and was considered by many as a last resort.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26956 times:

My second trip to Hawaii was on EZ, it was a DC-8-50 aircraft, and I remember it being August 1980. We flew PDX-OGG-PDX, going 1x weekly, a Saturday only schedule, operating a full routing of SEA-PDX-OGG-PDX-SEA in one day.

I now live 30 miles from McMinnville, and see that 747 atop their museum and water park each time I drive to the coast. It's sad to see the last part of this once proud airline die off. I understand there is more to EZ than McMinnville, but there is a local attachment to me.



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1786 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 26270 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 4):
On the contrary, Evergreen represented the lowest common denominator in the industry. Their aircraft was barely serviceable, and always operated with a multiple of malfunctions in the cargo loading system.

So they were something like the Tower Air of cargo.



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User currently offlinehkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 26149 times:

This is very sad, but as others have already said, the writing was on the wall considering the loss of key contracts. The environment is unimaginably tough for these smaller cargo carriers and makes you wonder who's next.

I will miss seeing their planes here in Hong Kong, a destination that offered them a lot of business back when times were good. I doubt the -400F/400BCFs/400BDSF will get a new lease on life so they are probably destined to be scrapped.


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 26115 times:

Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1786 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 26083 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???

This is the state of that 747 last May.



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25665 times:

So perhaps now EVA Air can rename themselves Evergreen...

User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24068 times:

It's quite a shame to see another old-time airline go out of business. Any time a business that flies the big planes goes down, it's just another nail in the coffin for diversity in the skies. I will be sad when the day comes that all the skies are dominated by twin-engine aircraft. I hope all those employees will be able to find work elsewhere soon!

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23712 times:

This one will live on.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23588 times:

Another weak link bites the dust.

In fairness however this had long been in coming. The last decade the aviation group has been on a continual decline and selling off assets. Just this year the helicopter division was sold off to cover almost $300mil in debt.

EZ as an airline really had no business model either the last decade except to rely almost entirely on Uncle Sam for the military flying which had to come to an end eventually. Also being stuck with an all 747 classic fleet that even the US government did not want to operate left EZ in a expensive spot to move away from.
I guess of the current fleets 3 744s, one was repo'd by Boeing for a while, while vendors and employees failed to get paid consistently last few months.

Then there are the legal issues still pending including tax investigation about money being moved around improperly under guise of a non-profit organization, plus a few big lawsuits including one from the UAE.

I guess for now the theme park remains.....



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23267 times:

I expect that the B747-400's will join N471EV, N478EV,N482EV, N485EV, N486EV, N487EV, N488EV, N489EV and N490EV in the desert.

Hopefully, the B747-400's, (unlike the B747-200's) will fly again.

Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 22904 times:

So what happens to the other divisions?
EAGLE ground operations?
Helicopters?

I suspect Menzies or Swissport will buy EAGLE. Three Mile Lane buildings may not be supported sufficiently
by the remaining small businesses?



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User currently onlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 22796 times:

Another company that turned problems into disaster by going the cost efficiency route.


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22307 times:

Not sure how many a.netters knew that Evergreen used to have passenger flights using Lockheed Electras and DC-8's acquired from Air New Zealand. I worked for a independent contractor in the late 70's that trained their flight attendants who were very vague about when and where they flew. IIRC the late Shah of Iran was flown from CAI to the US aboard an Evergreen aircraft when he was very sick. Evergreen flew a lot of military charters within the continental US--their Electras were in very good shape--the DC-8's--not so much.

McMinnville, OR always seemed like an odd place to have an airline headquarters but I suppose that is the way their patrons wanted it.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1592 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21325 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
McMinnville, OR always seemed like an odd place to have an airline headquarters but I suppose that is the way their patrons wanted it.


Del Smith, the founder was from the Seattle and started with helicopters growing the company from there. His biography is pretty amazing -- started out in an orphanage and won the Wright Brothers Trophy in 1999. It was a huge operation at one time helicopters, cargo, security etc. worldwide.


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20906 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???

Evergreen's Supertanker was issued a new CWN (Call When Needed) contract by the USFS this spring which was supposed to go into effect July 1 of this year. Originally, they were going to do a C-check on the plane in August and have it operational by September, however that was deferred, I'm guessing do to their financial issues. They decided to have it operational by the 2014 fire season, although, now I would imagine its future is likely more taking up space in the desert.

Sources:

New Contract

Scheduled C Check (Item 7)

Deferred



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 556 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20368 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):

The ex Ke bird is indeed an evergreen BCF. However they did not have the money to repaint it before they took delivery. Unfortunately, the BCF's will probably end up in the desert. Boeing had two more waiting for delivery, but evergreen would not pay on debt for the first couple.

The the classic that was parked at JFK is nearing completion on being put back together if it already hasn't been finished and returned.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19341 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I understand there is more to EZ than McMinnville, but there is a local attachment to me.

Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0l5O9XiSBQ



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User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18248 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???



This is the state of that 747 last May.

On the bright side, at least it looks like there was some forward thinking on their part by looking into a 747 twin.



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18202 times:

Wasn't EV once associated with the CIA or was it World ? You would think they would wait til after Christmas (if their contracts entailed such freight) . I remember reading last year about them retiring the last classic 747.


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18082 times:

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 21):
Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

That's a great video! Thanks for sharing it.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18191 times:

I understand that Evergreen did buy some assets from Air America.

Whether it went further than that is less clear.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18037 times:

I also think Evergreen had the best scheme out there. Liked seeing it on the 727-100s, DCV-9s, 747s DC-8s and so on. Last one I saw was a 747-400 here at SEA within last few months.

I bet there a re some in Missoula,MT that remember them either with fondness or the opposite.
They acquired Johnson Flying Svc/Airlines I forget which, and their L188s in the 70s.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14921 times:

I wonder if U2 (easyJet) will be applying to IATA to take on the EZ code?


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User currently offlinecougar15 From Australia, joined Sep 2013, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14831 times:
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Quoting United_fan (Reply 23):

no, that was Southern!



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1592 posts, RR: 8
Reply 29, posted (10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14283 times:

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 28):
no, that was Southern!


Southern Air Transport was CIA but Evergreen is thought to have had various CIA connections.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 30, posted (10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14103 times:

I remember when their old 741s used to drop into AKL every Sunday Afternoon.

User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13149 times:

I sure am gonna miss seeing them in PHX around Christmas...

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Evergreen had quite an interesting fleet over the years; check it out -

http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/evergreen.html

I knew some of the pilots over the years during my non-sched days with Airlift, ONA, World and Arrow Air. They didn't seem to treat the employees very well, but this was during the late 70s/early 80s. My neighbor and fellow Cessna 170 owner was an F/E with Evergreen until he was furloughed when they parked the classics. He was grateful for the job (ex-ATA).

So many non-scheds are gone now. I hope World hangs in there!


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 33, posted (10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11890 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
Not sure how many a.netters knew that Evergreen used to have passenger flights using Lockheed Electras and DC-8's acquired from Air New Zealand.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
My second trip to Hawaii was on EZ, it was a DC-8-50 aircraft, and I remember it being August 1980. We flew PDX-OGG-PDX, going 1x weekly, a Saturday only schedule, operating a full routing of SEA-PDX-OGG-PDX-SEA in one day.

Yes, and considering it was a charter flight, the EZ crew did a nice job of taking care of our family for 5 1/2 hours.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 21):

Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

Very cool, thanks for sharing that video! I remember as a kid going by MMV and looking for what aircraft were there.



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User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Heard last week form a former Evergreen employee that this was coming. Apparently alot of the issues tie back to the company owner, his age, medical issues, and refusal to try to give the airline life.


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

Glad I was able to catch one of their 742s last December.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75706613@N05/8355667829/



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User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11337 times:

An iconic airline. The one image that always strikes me in regards to EV is HIM Empress Farah Pahlavi peering out of the aircraft while the aeroplane was detained in The Bahamas, carrying her and HIM Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi's passport as the CIA negotiated with the Islamic Republic in regards to the hostages.


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User currently offlineteneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11278 times:

I remember the end scene from Die Hard 2 showing one of there 747's getting blown up at the end killing all the bad guys with it.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 38, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10117 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 14):
Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 19):
Evergreen's Supertanker was issued a new CWN (Call When Needed) contract by the USFS this spring which was supposed to go into effect July 1 of this year. Originally, they were going to do a C-check on the plane in August and have it operational by September, however that was deferred, I'm guessing do to their financial issues. They decided to have it operational by the 2014 fire season, although, now I would imagine its future is likely more taking up space in the desert.

I can easily see someone buying into that asset. It's too good of a technological marvel to waste.

Quoting jfritz (Reply 31):
I sure am gonna miss seeing them in PHX around Christmas...
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 35):
Glad I was able to catch one of their 742s last December.

Me too. I loved seeing that old girl land :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_Iq5q22dk



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User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 830 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

Hold on a second, this was published on Evergreen's website yesterday:

McMinnville, Oregon -- November 8, 2013

As has been previously reported in the press, Evergreen's business has been adversely impacted over the past several years by decreased demand in military spending and weakness in global economic markets. Management has moved to aggressively address these challenges, including through the divestiture of businesses and assets and the significant reduction of secured debt. Evergreen is in discussions with its significant constituencies and is exploring available strategic alternatives with those constituencies.

While Evergreen generally does not comment on market rumor or conjecture, rumors that a decision has been made to cease operations at this time are false. Evergreen remains committed to continuing to address the current business environment with its customers.

-Delford M. Smith
Chief Executive Officer,
Evergreen International Aviation, Inc.

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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 40, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9697 times:

There is such a need for these aerial water bombers to fight fires. I hope some other user will pick them up. I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 41, posted (10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 39):
Hold on a second, this was published on Evergreen's website yesterday:

Sure Evergreen as a company may continue, but go look at pilot boards, as crews were notified their last day was 28th.

Notice - Evergreen International Airlines is only one piece of the larger Evergreen International Aviation, Inc family.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Notice - Evergreen International Airlines is only one piece of the larger Evergreen International Aviation, Inc family.

Yeah they can live on through their agriculture.

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/index_ag.html

But I believe their Maintenance Center in Marana is doing well.

http://maranaaerospace.com/

Looks like EAGLE has a decent amount of stations as well. I know they mostly handle Cargo operations?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 43, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 42):
But I believe their Maintenance Center in Marana is doing well.

Marana was sold in 2011 -- hence why it was renamed and Evergreen name dropped.

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/p_releases/053111.html



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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

The tanks were taken out of the SuperTanker and it just has two time-expired engines hung on it for balance, so if anyone wants it to use on fires it's going to take time and money to get it going again

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Marana was sold in 2011 -- hence why it was renamed and Evergreen name dropped.

Was not aware of that. Good to see Marana still doing good though.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 46, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 40):
There is such a need for these aerial water bombers to fight fires. I hope some other user will pick them up. I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.

Yep, I went onboard one about a week ago. It's an amazing machine to go onboard..


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 15):
So what happens to the other divisions?
EAGLE ground operations?
Helicopters?

I suspect Menzies or Swissport will buy EAGLE. Three Mile Lane buildings may not be supported sufficiently
by the remaining small businesses?

I would assume that the ground handling operation would continue if its profitable. If not, I'm rooting for Swissport.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 48, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 14):
Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.

479 (Tanker 979) was the last operational Supertanker. 470 was the first and the system was removed from it, modified, and installed on 479. If and when the SUpertanker operation resumes, only 479 would be operational. There aren't two systems or essentially two modified aircraft.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 40):
I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.

There are two DC-10s actually, a -10 and a -30.


Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Sure Evergreen as a company may continue, but go look at pilot boards, as crews were notified their last day was 28th.

Yes, with that website response and the layoff notice to crew, I suspect they chose to suspend operations, layoff employees, but not entirely cease yet. Though the longer that continues, the harder it will be to resume. I wonder if there is any indication they filed Chapter 11?



Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 44):
The tanks were taken out of the SuperTanker and it just has two time-expired engines hung on it for balance, so if anyone wants it to use on fires it's going to take time and money to get it going again

I would be surprised this is the case on 479 as there doesn't seem to be a reason to remove the system. 470 does not have any tanks and was not planned to be used again as a Supertanker.

[Edited 2013-11-09 19:21:24]


[Edited 2013-11-09 19:22:11]


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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 49, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...lts.aspx?NNumbertxt=470EV&x=15&y=9

Given that it was built in 1974, with an airworthy date in 2006, I suspect that N470EV will become coke cans.


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Maybe someone will write a book now that it's over. Should be a good one.

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1786 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Air Cargo News published that paper in which it mentions an investigation by Oregon DoJ and a United Arab Emirates company suing Evergreen.


http://www.aircargonews.net/news/sin...vergreen-goes-out-of-business.html



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Correcting reply 14.

According to Airliner World, N482EV, (MSN 20713) was ferried to McMinnville on 01/06/2013. It was then towed to the Evergreen Museum on 07/06/2013.

It is currently on display, and is to be converted into a Hotel, (like the B747 at ARN?).


User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 949 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Towards the nose of EV aircraft there are 6 stars. Can anyone tell me what their significance is, if any?
EV has a great livery!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 53):
Towards the nose of EV aircraft there are 6 stars. Can anyone tell me what their significance is, if any?
EV has a great livery!

Each star represents a continent that EZ provided service to, at least that is what I was told by our EZ pilot when I was a kid back in 1980 on a trip to Maui on an EZ DC-8-52.




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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13114 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

They are pretty much bailing out of JFK ops and I suspect at other locations. Guess any remaining service will be via other airlines.

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 56, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Theres a headline on Skyliner saying Evergreen have reversed their decision to shut and will now continue for the time being. Whats all that about?
What operations does Evergreen have apart from their 747Fs? I saw a Casa212 on the news in Evergreen colours in Tacloban in the Philippines helping out with the disaster relief there.


User currently offlineB747400ERF From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 3):
I also liked how they picked up N779BA and left in the untitled Korean Air livery.

Probably had no extra money to paint it! That isn't a good sign.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 56):
I saw a Casa212 on the news in Evergreen colours in Tacloban in the Philippines helping out with the disaster relief there.

I believe that would be Evergreen the Taiwan shipping company.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 57):
I believe that would be Evergreen the Taiwan shipping company.

No, these Casa 212s are operated by Evergreen Helicopters with N- registrations.

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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 56):
Theres a headline on Skyliner saying Evergreen have reversed their decision to shut and will now continue for the time being. Whats all that about?
What operations does Evergreen have apart from their 747Fs?

That explains why there is a job posting for a Regional Director of Sales at JFK. It was posted on Indeed yesterday. Here's the link:
http://www1.recruitingcenter.net/cli...on=JobProfile&Job_Id=11414&esid=az


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 59):

That explains why there is a job posting for a Regional Director of Sales at JFK. It was posted on Indeed yesterday. Here's the link:
http://www1.recruitingcenter.net/cli...id=az

That is for EAGLE, the ground handling company, Not Evergreen Airlines.



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 58):
No, these Casa 212s are operated by Evergreen Helicopters with N- registrations.

And, to reiterate, no longer part of Evergreen but rather a subsidiary of Erickson Air-Crane.


User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4828 times:
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The "Grim" (Evergreen) is like a "Tripple A" Farm team for the Majors. A place for beginner airline pilots or washed up airline pilots and a place for journeymen mechanics to fatten up their resumes and operating experience just as I did 33 years ago. at Evergreen? You Worked!! and you learned and learned Well your craft. But! it was someplace on the way to someplace else. As long as you took it like that? You didn't get upset with what was happening. There were a Lot of good mechanics there who would NEVEr go on to Major airline work because they were TOO independent and couldn't stand the Regiment of major airline work and seniority. I enjoyed my time at The GRIM and I'm a better Mechanic for the experience.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 63, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Looks like its indeed closing up shop.

They have been only running a single aircraft the last couple weeks, and on Wednesday the bulk of the remaining staff were let go.

Also there seems to be a rush of parties now suing them. Everything from hotels for unpaid bills, to freight forwarders that had paid for charter flights that wont operate.

Its believed by some that company will file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, and move into liquidation directly.


Lawsuits fly as Evergreen International Airlines fights for survival
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...y_as_evergreen_inte.html#continued

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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 64, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3227 times:

A bit surprised about the B747 sitting in China undergoing overhaul since Dec 2012.

Does anyone know more about it.


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Rumor has it the last remaining aircraft N492EV is being ferried to the desert and the company is officially out of business now. It will be interesting to see if a Chapter 7 filling comes this week.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 66, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Looks like the last bird got ferried to the desert today

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA2513


Last week the other operations aircraft were moved to Arizona

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N491EV
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA301

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