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Airline Tells Man He's 'too Fat To Fly'  
User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22001 times:

Come on guys! there are many ways you can professionally manage the situation instead of dropping the F word to an airline passenger, when flying an airline an staying in a hotel customers expect to be treated with respect not with rude responses.

http://flyingactive.com/content/221-...ne-tells-man-he-s-too-fat-fly.html

[Edited 2013-11-07 22:46:42]

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User currently offlinedrew777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2013, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21976 times:

There is no quotation in the article where British Airways called the customer fat. That appears to be paraphrasing by The West Australia newspaper.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3350 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21951 times:

The article is paraphrasing. I highly doubt any airline employee or vendor used the word "fat" in this situation.

User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21948 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 2):
I highly doubt any airline employee or vendor used the word "fat" in this situation.

I thought so in the beginning but nothing is impossible


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21851 times:
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Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
Common guys!

I think you mean "Come on" and not common.

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
there are many ways you can professionally manage the situation

Why do you automatically assume this wasn't handled professionally? The light-on-details article says BA denied boarding due to safety; as a pilot I'd imagine you can understand that.

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
dropping the F word to an airline passenger

Where does it say anyone said "f**k" to him?  

Seriously though, at no point in the article is there mention of the word "fat" allegedly said to the customer.



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User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21827 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
Where does it say anyone said "f**k" to him?

F**K is not the only F word ,F*T is also an F word.


User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21655 times:

What you need to do is? Bring Learjet medical operation service. Airline is stupid or doing wrong.

Q


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21633 times:

Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 5):
F**K is not the only F word ,F*T is also an F word.

Are we now not using any words beginning with "F"? I thought the word game threads were supposed to be in non-av...

Excuse me, I need to go and be f*bulous.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21551 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 7):

F*ne. If that's your desire LOL!

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
dropping the F word

Having read the article I believe this is the newspaper using their sensationalist tactics again by paraphrasing. In other words, they are putting statements in the mouths of people that never said them.

I do agree, however, that having flown over on BA and not being allowed on for the return trip is interesting. Did he put on significant weight while being in the USA? Or did anything else change that caused BA to have to turn him down? There is often more to a reported story than just the paraphrased bits.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5033 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21508 times:

The article does say that he needs oxygen full time and it appears that he is wheel chair bound too. Anyone who needs oxygen knows what a pain it is to order oxygen from an airline before you fly. And it's $$$$ too.

I think BA is just trying to limit their liability and not have this guy die on one of their flights.

If this family doesn't have any money, how can they take a train to NY and then get on the QM 2? That takes major bucks to do!



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21454 times:
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Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 5):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):Where does it say anyone said "f**k" to him?
F**K is not the only F word ,F*T is also an F word.

So when I discuss the fat content of a particular food, I need to refer to it as the "F-word content" so as to not offend?

Seriously?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21306 times:

shipping him as freight would present some problems, such as the DG form for the Oxygen and the wheelchair, but he could drive himself on a 125" flat ....

OK, , not a serious solution but this guy might not fit through a regular door, what happens in case there is an emergency, such things have to be considered ....



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39881 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 21188 times:

I read this article earlier and these news outlets are so full of it! British Airways did what they had to do. It would be totally impractical for him to fly and carry all necessary medical equipment to keep him breathing throughout the flight. I really feel bad for the poor guy and hope he is able to recover or at least contain his illness.

The REAL question is, why isn't he getting medical treatment by the wonderful government run healthcare in his home country?   


BTW, I used the 'F' word 4 times.  
Quoting Doona (Reply 7):
Excuse me, I need to go and be f*bulous.

  

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
Common guys!

I think you mean "Come on" and not common.

 
Not sure if I should be posting then. I'm not common.   



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 21090 times:

Ok, if he needs oxygen, can't move on his own, and can barely fit through the main door (and as a consequence completely blocking the row he's taking up): let's explore the consequences of that in an emergency evac situation. Should others need to die because he has some divine right to partake in the miracle of flight?


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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 21081 times:

Would be interesting to know what his weight/size were on the outbound trip.

Also, has the size/weight of the equipment that he requires changed.

Finally, was BA advised in advance of his size issues.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20916 times:

I don't even see why the word "fat" is offensive. If you need help breathing and can't fit through a door, you are, beyond question, fat. If this guy or anyone else is offended by it, get on the treadmill and fix it. Their lack of self-control does not mean they're entitled to endanger (at worst - by blocking an aisle or exit) or inconvenience (at least - by spilling into someone else's personal space) others.

Personally, if a real fatty sat next to me on a flight of more than an hour, and was taking all the armrest or otherwise infringing my space, I would get up and ask them to be reseated. It might be a bit embarrassing for the fatty but sorry, shouldn't have gone back up for a third helping at the buffet. Or, feel free to have a third, fourth and fifth helping, but don't make me pick up the tab.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20917 times:
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Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 8):
Did he put on significant weight while being in the USA?

You'll be surprised what $9,99 All-you-can-eat buffets can do to you.

When I lived in Australia I experienced a situation with McCafferty's Coaches, one huge guy was trying to board the bus for ever so long but just couldn't get through the door, it ended with the driver saying: "look, mate, you're just to big and we have to go now". So the big guy stood there with his suitcase as we drove off, wonder if he found alternative transport.

I find BA staff to be very professional and discrete, and I doubt they called him fat to his face. Behind the scenes, yes, but not to him.



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User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 496 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20848 times:

I'll throw this out there and I saw the guy within the terminal.

Too big to sit in a First class seat
Too big to walk between aisles of the plane
Too big to walk up a set of stairs to have him access the last row of economy. Physically, I just couldnt see him doing it even if he was asked.
Too big to fit in a help vehicle which are used for wheel chairs.
TSA was even trying to figure out how they'd get him patted down without making a scene.

I understand the where the guy is coming from, but the picture in the article does not accurately reflect how large this was guy.

BA was put in a very awkard position.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39881 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20826 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
If this guy or anyone else is offended by it, get on the treadmill and fix it. Their lack of self-control does not mean they're entitled to endanger
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 16):
You'll be surprised what $9,99 All-you-can-eat buffets can do to you.

That's why it's best to verify these stories from a another legitimate news source to get the full story.


http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ritish-airways-20131108-2x5ix.html

From the article;

"Kevin Chenais, 22, spent a year and a half at the Mayo Clinic for treatment of a hormone disorder which led him to weigh more than 220 kilograms.



Again, I'd like to know why he couldn't get treated in his home country that has such a wonderful government ran healthcare system that liberals like to brag about.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 16):
You'll be surprised what $9,99 All-you-can-eat buffets can do to you.

Or pay $39,99 for the same crap in Europe.



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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20702 times:

He is too fat. That is a fact and no insult.

User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20598 times:

The articles stated that he flew there on BA, so they got him there but refused to fly him back. Unless he actually put on weight at the clinic, what else changed?


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20561 times:
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 19):
He is too fat. That is a fact and no insult.

I think you mean f*t, right?  



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 20422 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
why he couldn't get treated in his home country

due to his size so they sent him to the experts.
he had no issues flying inside the usa, 220kg isn't that big in some parts of the usa


User currently offlineAyostoLeon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 20338 times:

@ I think you mean f*t, right?
No, can't be. BA isn't part of *alliance.  

The passenger spent 18 months in the US and a lot can happen in that time, including changes in fitness for travel. The article does not say what the condition of the passenger was before travel to the US. Might his condition have deteriorated during his stay?


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 20331 times:

220KG sounds scary to me.

25 jsfr : I've just seen a news report on this incident here in France. Both the affected person and his mother were interviewed. They might live in France, an
26 bennett123 : The other part is that they plan to take the train to New York and then sail to England on the QM2. Firstly, they say that they are out of money, so w
27 PanHAM : The QM2 is in Hamburg on Sunday so they have about a week to make it to NY. They will have some fun on Amtrak as well. May be they better rent a van w
28 bthebest : Did BA have an equipment change? Could he have been accomodated on a 747 as opposed to a 777 fir example? Not that I would expect an airline to chang
29 Post contains links Superfly : They are still French citizens and French taxpayers. Therefore qualify for the wonderful government healthcare system you have. Doesn't matter what t
30 jsfr : I've seen this once on AF, on a A321, the last three rows ABC seats were folded forwards and a stretcher placed on top, a curtain was in place for th
31 Speedbird128 : Yes - you are right about the full story. He significantly altered his physical composition - there, I didn't even mention the f*t word - during his
32 Post contains images jcwr56 : In Chicago, this hadn't made the local news and some of the local stations thrive on stories like this.
33 kgaiflyer : This guy has a multiplicity of problems and needs a medical ambulance airlift -- not British Airways. Also, RST (where Mayo Clinic is located) is onl
34 Superfly : Interesting. I wonder if he could have fit in to a Emirates Suite on their A380. Besides the point since it doesn't fly this route. Didn't sound like
35 Speedbird128 : Sorry- I did not mean to imply that he did by choice. For whatever reason, his size changed significantly.
36 Post contains images Markam : "CBS Chicago reports that Kevin Chenais, who weighs more than 225kg - had been treated at the famed Mayo Clinic for a year for a hormone disorder and
37 Post contains links lightsaber : Time to implement Air Semoa's policy of charging by weight: Earlier this year, Samoa Air became the first airline to start charging passengers by thei
38 bennett123 : The point is that the decision that he was too big to fly was not just BA's, no other airline will take him either.
39 Post contains links PROSA : Here is a fairly balanced analysis of the situation on the Outside the Beltway political forum: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/sic...too-fat-to-fly-
40 CRJ900 : A friend of mine was sent to "f*t camp" when his weight reached 140kg and my wonderful government-run healthcare system payed for the whole stay. Two
41 TYCOON : Superfly, with all due respect, your comments about French healthcare are just plain obnoxious. Yes it is true that France invariably ranks #1 in qual
42 billreid : Regardless of his weight before entering the USA it appears BA did what it could. I however would be a safety violation to over stress seats with a 50
43 nomadd22 : Three different versions now all quote the mother as implying she expected to fly economy, and can't understand why they couldn't take him home the sa
44 Post contains images PanHAM : I can't resist the old joke: Anywhere he wants....
45 hrc773 : I once had an extremely obnoxious passenger who was loudly complaining to me about being seated next to a very large woman. He used extremely hurtful
46 rampbro : His treatment at the Mayo clinic is likely covered by that 'wonderful health care'. It's not the average pierre or marcel who can afford treatment at
47 Superfly : What comments? I simply asked a question. That is why discussion forums exist. Reampbro answered my question well. Thanks. That's all I wanted to kno
48 Geo772 : +1 to that.
49 RussianJet : It can't be afforded by anyone normal anywhere, so how is it relevant to healthcare system gripes?
50 ArmitageShanks : I'd be so annoyed if I had to sit next to this slob on a 9 hour flight.
51 TomFoolery : if his dimensions are outslide of the limitations of the dimensions of the aircraft, with regard to safety of egress and accomodation, then the carrie
52 jsfr : The guy's name is Kevin. That's about as French sounding as George W. Junior.... I'm wondering if LHR wasn't his destination andif there isn't someth
53 trex8 : For the same reason a young girl girl locally has been flying from Chicago to Uk for brainsurgery no one in US will do. Because there are rare instan
54 Maverick623 : I love it when people skip over the entirety of a story just to make a jab at someone. Sounds like you work for the West Australia Newspaper.
55 trex8 : Try walk into the great clinic and get elective care without good insurance or several tens of thousands in down payment, it doesn't happen. When my
56 bobnwa : Where does it say in the article that BA refused him because he was too fat?
57 windy95 : The truth hurts. And I doubt they need an airline to tell them they are to fat to fly..
58 rwy04lga : Thanks for that...I literally Laughed Out Loud. Good for you! I would have paid money to see the look on that guy's face when you forced her to first
59 frmrcapcadet : That seldom is the case. Most regulations do have exceptions, and they are often listed in the same regulation. And if you consider the reasons for t
60 jcwr56 : Well.....I had a late lunch at the ORD Hilton with a couple of friends, and lo and behold who was sitting on his cart in the lobby area talking to one
61 ltbewr : This is a very sad situation. I suspect he was sent to the Mayo Clinic as the French (or other EU) hospitals did not have the expertise to deal with t
62 Viscount724 : According to Seatguru, BA has no aircraft, longhaul or shorthaul, with less than 31-inch pitch in Y class.
63 ushermittwoch : Truth be told, I have had to sit next to fatter or at least wider people than him.
64 Aesma : I've watched the French midday national news and they mentioned the story, with videos, but they all seemed to be from local sources so with the guy a
65 JAGflyer : All other issues aside, why would they choose BA over AF, UA or DL? Surely a connection through LHR is unnecessary considering this person's physical
66 Post contains images TheRedBaron : What I find weird is how politically correct everyone has become and how sometimes normal everyday Joe has to be inconvenienced for the sake of being
67 JAGflyer : looking at photos from 30-40 years ago, you never saw people who were morbidly obese. It looks like most men were under 170lbs and women were maybe 1
68 opethfan : This is the kicker. Weight gain = calorie intake > calorie expenditure. That's it. You take in more calories than you burn? You'll gain weight, wi
69 AR385 : Come on, you know, TheRedBaron, that sometimes there is something called unexplained weight gain. There´s a muiltitude of reasons for it, but it exi
70 type-rated : 225 kg = 496 pounds. That is morbidly obese, yes obese is the correct word to use instead of fat in this overly politically correct world we now have.
71 MD-90 : So if he could barely get on the plane, what would he do if he needed to use the lav during the flight?!
72 frmrcapcadet : If your passenger seat is encroached upon by obese people you have a right to (politely) object to FAs, and complain by letter to the airline and FAA
73 checksixx : Boy...not Man. He's been treated in the US for some time now and is near 500lbs. If the airline cannot properly seat him, the aircraft cannot fly. PER
74 peterinlisbon : I wouldn't want to be sitting next to him on an Emirates 777. Seriously though, couldn't he just fly business class? I mean, he looks like he really n
75 Post contains images PHX787 : Here we go again with overweight passengers Listen- if you can't fit in the seat, gotta buy a second seat. Plus- you have to buy the ticket AND be abl
76 Post contains links Maverick623 : Actually it is indeed a right: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/justice/no-fly-list-lawsuit/ "In a lawsuit challenging the federal no-fly list, a U.S. D
77 rcair1 : This only applies to US airspace.
78 TheRedBaron : LOL.... really LOLed. I agree but weird instances are lede than 1%. Yes gastric banding, bypass or whoever, should be a last resort. I would lose a l
79 rwy04lga : Will the seat in front of him recline? Will he fit through the emergency exit? Will he fit in the lav? Is it true that a Japanese airline wanted/had t
80 MD-90 : In what country is a 22 year old not an adult?!
81 Viscount724 : In most countries in Europe, you're an adult at 18 and can sign contracts, get married, buy alcohol etc etc.
82 gizmonc : Per Boeing weight and balance standards the avg person is calculated at 190 lbs. So weighing 220kg it puts him at about 485 lbs. So at that weight on
83 RottenRay : *and US citizens
84 PHX787 : But they have to pay for it. There is no subsidizing people's flying. Especially if they cant fit in the damn plane.
85 trex8 : I doubt that. It probably definitely also applies to US permanent residents and legal aliens in the US.
86 garpd : My guess is, on the outbound flight there was enough seats free for this gentleman to take up two seats, (probably free of charge). However, on the in
87 2175301 : While that may apply to many people in the US who are overweight.... Please do not dismiss what can happen when your hormone system stops functioning
88 frmrcapcadet : Gismonc, 2175.. I always appreciate posts which provide information. I do wonder if airports and airline web sites should have signs/links posted whic
89 Mayohoo : In defense of the Mayo Clinic, the policy is if you have elective care needs and you do not live in Mn, Ia, Nd, Sd, Wi, or Ill then you will be asked
90 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : It appears a feud still exist between Brittan and France more than two hundred years.
91 Post contains images lightsaber : I would agree. Most of those I knew who were obese in high school: 1. Had an anxiety or depression issue 2. Ate too much. In particular, drinks with
92 moo : Let's not forget that a *consitutional right* is a limitation on the government, it doesn't force private entities to do anything. The airlines polic
93 EA CO AS : There's a Mayo Clinic branch in Scottsdale, AZ as well; I'd imagine their policy differs somewhat.
94 GentFromAlaska : IMO BA statement does take on a prejudicial appearance. "British Airways deemed Mr Chenais too big to to fly on any of its aircraft". In lieu of worki
95 AyostoLeon : "Unfortunately, it is not possible to safely accommodate the customer on any of our aircraft," is what the Sydney Morning Herald and others are repor
96 frmrcapcadet : I think this person may be too large for simply the two seat option. Amtrak or a van to the east coast, and then ship to Europe may be the best soluti
97 GentFromAlaska : I come from the world of results. No is rarely an answer With that said results can get expensive. Still the passengar has the right to refuse after
98 AR385 : How many crews? He spent a week in ORD trying to find a solution with BA. This was not a crew issue. Corporate decided they were not going to fly him
99 777ord : Having just dealt with this with a woman approaching 380lbs the other week. The actual execution of telling someone you are fat/overweight/obese etc..
100 frmrcapcadet : I just spent 15 minutes on the BA site, checked all 14 screens of FAQ (bad design, all Qns should be on the first screen, with link to the answers), a
101 Aesma : I would agree to pay like that only if my seat was also sized accordingly. That story hasn't garnered enough interest here for journalists to get to
102 AyostoLeon : The BA web site provides an easy to find link for passengers with special needs in a drop down on the home page, headed Information. This will bring u
103 moo : The BA quote you posted uses the term "big", not "heavy" - the two should not be confused. From the reports thus far he was too big for the cabin, wo
104 Post contains links billreid : http://wfld.images.worldnow.com/images/23921047_BG1.JPG The image above shows the person. He had great difficulty talking in the news interview, and w
105 frmrcapcadet : The Southwest site which provides a lot of information, and repeatedly mentions not just an extra seat, but two extra seats which some people have nee
106 TheRedBaron : Thanks for the post I agree that hormone imbalance, is a real problem, but it is not taking care of it, and letting the problem run amok what causes
107 2175301 : The insidious thing about hormone imbalance is that most Drs do not even check for this with people who are gaining weight. I saw at least a half doz
108 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I stand corrected. BA flew him to the states; why does it become an issue on the return journey home; be it a year later. I find it hard to believe h
109 type-rated : Actually at nearly 500lbs this guy is big AND heavy. Has anyone in this tread even felt sorry for this guy? It's not like he ate his way into this co
110 moo : I have no sympathy for him, because he most certainly *did* eat his way into this condition, regardless of what medical condition he has. Fat doesnt
111 moo : I don't find that hard to believe at all. See my other post. Fat doesn't just appear from thin (or chubby) air, even with a medical condition. They a
112 Post contains links lightsaber : To me, this is covered in the first two bullets of BA's contract of carriage: 7a) Our right to refuse to carry you We may decide to refuse to carry yo
113 trex8 : Is weight really the issue with the seat though? A triple unit of seats should be able to handle 500lb easily, thats just 167 per seat. I would think
114 LFutia : Oh no this made the news. I saw it on Fox32 Chicago, I think the morning edition. I saw the entire story and I was wondering where they interviewed h
115 opethfan : Hey everyone! I have a great idea! Let's continue throwing blame between the airline and the passenger while continuously pointing out that we don't k
116 checksixx : Chill out...The one article I read from a reliable news source call him a 'boy' traveling with his parents. I didn't see his age and only had the pic
117 moo : My comment was made more from a logistical position than anything else - such passengers require personal services all the way through the process, m
118 checksixx : You worded it poorly then...but in response to what you wrote here...that's just called 'customer service'. You're right, the airlines don't 'need' t
119 opethfan : If we could cure human behaviour and self-discipline, you'd also cure smoking, drug addiction and a number of other severe issues.
120 XT6Wagon : There is a big difference between two people of the same wieght if one is in relatively good health, with the strength to move one self and someone w
121 moo : No I didn't, you just took it one particular way. And there is a point at which customer services has a reasonable limit - some passengers try to go
122 lightsaber : I think the reason this topic generates so much interest is that people are starting to feel oppressed having to accommodate so many people. So a grou
123 GentFromAlaska : Sorry been there done that. Outside of a private ambulance service which is realistic only a small percentage of the time. You fall short in consider
124 moo : I didn't fail to consider that at all, I was talking about other personal services. There's a lot more to consider than just the care during the flig
125 s5daw : He was ok with building all that fat, putting it on him... and it's somehow wrong for simply stating the fact: the result of his own negligence is...
126 GentFromAlaska : These are all workable solutions. Above I posted a seating chart of a 744 showing 2x2 and 3x3 seating adjacent to the airplane door. Those doors as I
127 checksixx : If you're going to quote me, quote the whole thing...not just a part that allows you to twist what I said. Easy way? Naaa...probably the legally safe
128 Post contains images lightsaber : Now I know why an ambulance call costs so much. And it is far different discussing a 9G dynamic load in a seat (required crash safety) in a very weig
129 AR385 : How can you cure human behavior and self-discipline? What do you mean? Your comment makes no sense. As for smoking and drug addiction, they can be st
130 opethfan : My comment makes perfect sense. moo said: to which checksixx said: Upon which, I replied: Moo says that since weight gain is directly connected to ca
131 art : It's not IMO. It is descriptive. Like describing someone as being tall or short. As for refusing passage to the unfortunate person, if his size makes
132 2175301 : I am going to reply to multiple concepts here: I have lived the problem (see post way above). "Cure them" Really, first you have to diagnose them for
133 mrocktor : The issue is that if you have a hormone imbalance, you need more self control than other people. You still don't get fat from breathing. Is it "fair"
134 trex8 : Most people of size simply have bad eating habits and lifestyles. However if you have a true hormone imbalance every physiological mechanism in your
135 Post contains images lightsaber : But please realize *every* obese person who has used that excuse on me was in fact just avoiding the issue. I'm sure you and others really have the i
136 trex8 : No argument there and while 99.9999% of those who are "fat" are that way through self inflicted reasons, there are truely people whose physiology mak
137 2175301 : And how do you know that? I struggled with being significantly overweight for approximately a decade without knowing what was causing it - why was it
138 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...itain/story-e6frfq80-1226763843271 But he praised Virgin for flying him out from New York's JFK airport and pay
139 GentFromAlaska : Kudo's to the Virgin team. There are good companies and then their are great companies. BA needs to shore up their customer care program. As I stated
140 flyingthe757 : I'd be interested to hear how long it took to load and unload him from the aircraft and where he sat. I struggle at the best of times walking down an
141 PanHAM : What an..... Virgin saved him from paddling across the Pond and he says that the flight was "terribl, terrible, terrible" while AF is hiding behind an
142 lightsaber : In a crash, each seat is capable of handling 275lbm. Because of the inevitable side loads in a crash, a person will not impact all three seats equall
143 GentFromAlaska : That I saw Virgin Atlantic flies three aircraft types between JFK-LHR. the A333, A346 and the 744 I would guess they loaded him last and near an exit
144 blueshamu330s : And if you can't see that this was nothing more than an opportunity for Virgin to point score over their arch rival, then it makes your remaining com
145 lightsaber : I'm at the state I would question if VS was certified to carry a person over 500lbm. If so, kudos to them. If not, they might have flown someone out
146 seahawk : Btw, the train service from London to Paris through the Euro Tunnel refused to carry him, as they think they could not evacuate him in case of an emer
147 davies2911 : There were people so much more deserving of a free flight from Virgin than this guy, and for that reason I think this was a bad move on there part. An
148 Post contains links offloaded : Oops. Now he's stuck in the UK. Eurostar won't take him. Edit: Sorry, didn't see Seahawks earlier post.[Edited 2013-11-20 04:30:24]
149 trex8 : The family need to rent a Transit or Sprinter and get the poor guy home!!!
150 KiwiRob : You've got to be kidding this is guy is probably unfortunate enough to be one of the very few that actually have a genuine medical reason for being f
151 Post contains links readytotaxi : there is a London based company that has ridden to the rescue for "large" people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-expand-for-bigger-passengers
152 AyostoLeon : Yes, where these people? I recall from my school days a boy that I befriended who was what back then was regarded as fat. He was in a minority of one
153 AyostoLeon : Interesting concept. I am not sure why the author would regard taller passengers seeing it as discriminatory when the concept addresses variable seat
154 Post contains links ScottishDavie : Looks like the final chapter has been written: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25015604 Whatever the rights and wrongs of BA's position, t
155 starrymarkb : Indeed. The Channel tunnel has *very* strict evacuation rules, would he be able to walk up to 375m along a narrow walkway/through the train to an emer
156 GentFromAlaska : From what I've read about VS The company is very customer oriented.
157 Post contains links lightsaber : Nor other airlines, excluding VS and the Queen Mary 2 also denied him passage for safety reasons. It is amazing. 1. TV. One can now sit for 8 hours a
158 Post contains links mad99 : Thinking back to when i was a kid, out of about 10 kids in the neighbourhood only one was 'heavy' as they say today and he would only be kinda heavy
159 ScottishDavie : Maybe so but they will never, ever miss a chance to put one over on BA. Like others I would love to know how they did this and whether anyone else's
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