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National Geographic´s Ultimate Airport Dubai  
User currently onlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2852 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 9326 times:

Hey all!

Haven´t seen anything posted here, but NG´s made a 10 series documentary on Dubai Airport, it shows a behind the scenes look at this 24 hour operation and the challenges faced.

it is very interesting.

Have a look here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVjSO_qobDc

MIAspotter.

P.D. mods, feel free to move this thread to the appropriate section of the forums.


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User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 9092 times:

I've been watching this closely an I'm on the 10th episode as of tomorrow!

It's an interesting show, but as per usual, there is a lot more drama added to regular going ons.

For example, during one of the episodes, a new A380 was late from maintenance and the narrator said that this one delay was going to effect EK for months or possibly years afterwards.

I actually like EK and love Dubai! It's a really nice show. Old though, the final episode is when Concorse A opens, so it was filmed mostly last year.

Cheers,

Francois.



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User currently onlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2852 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 8990 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 1):

I've been watching this closely an I'm on the 10th episode as of tomorrow!

Ohhh I am close behind... finished the 8th last night.

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 1):
For example, during one of the episodes, a new A380 was late from maintenance and the narrator said that this one delay was going to effect EK for months or possibly years afterwards.

LOL yup, that´s a bit too much really. But then again, what does ocassional Joe Traveller knows?

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 1):
I actually like EK and love Dubai! It's a really nice show. Old though, the final episode is when Concorse A opens, so it was filmed mostly last year.

It is a nice show, very informative specially on the maintenance and flight dispatch side. I only have one gripe and is with the two people in ¨charge¨ of constructing Concourse A, the UAE dude and the UAE lady, they are very bossy and I did not particularly liked the way they addressed and treated people, but then again that´s life for some in the UAE, not all that glitters is gold.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8021 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
It is a nice show, very informative specially on the maintenance and flight dispatch side. I only have one gripe and is with the two people in ¨charge¨ of constructing Concourse A, the UAE dude and the UAE lady, they are very bossy and I did not particularly liked the way they addressed and treated people, but then again that´s life for some in the UAE, not all that glitters is gold.

Ah yes, I agree completely. I really likes how for the most part, they stuck with the average worker, not the CEO of the airport and so on. It gives a view of Dubai "from below" as the case may be. It really breakers through the veil.

Thanks for posting this topic, I was wondering why nobody posted anything about it earlier!

Francois.



Durban. Melbourne. Denver. Hong Kong.
User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 1):

For example, during one of the episodes, a new A380 was late from maintenance and the narrator said that this one delay was going to effect EK for months or possibly years afterwards.

Well. . .

They do only have, what, 50 of them? Could be pretty serious  



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

Just watched the episode where the Canadian couple got "bumped' from DXB-DEL for being "slow" to check in online.

Does EK have agreements with other airlines such as AI to get bumped passengers on other flights?

Example: I was bumped on NW PHX-MEM-BOS to US PHX-BOS once all done by the gate agent making a phone call.


User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):
Just watched the episode where the Canadian couple got "bumped' from DXB-DEL for being "slow" to check in online.

Seems like NatGeo is ahead here in Australia.   

But I don't really think so. I mean, EK is a hyper competitive airline. Unless airlines have agreements with them about code sharing or so on, I highly doubt they'd send those people to another airline.



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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 625 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

Amazing what you can build when you pay your workers 50 cents a day. Oh yeah and no taxes either!

User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 7):
Amazing what you can build when you pay your workers 50 cents a day.

Tell me that you're just joking.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

Just watched the episode with the Hamid the Customs guy. Seems like a nice guy and with a smile disallowing you to bring anything in from another religion. "This is not Koran  This is not Koran  " It's their country and they can do what they want that way but seems a little at odds with being in a prominent position on the world stage. I don't have a problem though with taking some of the exotic foods coming thru. Even inside the borders of the US taking food, especially fruits, from one end of the country to the other can be an issue. California in particular has a legitimate need to protect their agriculture from pests and many nations have that concern about unsealed food coming in.

User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 9):
Seems like a nice guy and with a smile disallowing you to bring anything in from another religion.

Incorrect. "Black magic" is illegal in the UAE. If you rematch the video, you'll see he clearly states that he thinks it's black magic. It also contained verses from the Qur'an, which were all used in a way that traditional healers would use. That is not okay in Islam. And because the parchments the guy took in that seemed to be different to what they know of any religion they've seen, they decided it was black magic.

I've taken my Bible into Dubai and other ME countries with no problem at all. I've even attended church in Dubai. I've been with friends who've taken in books from many religions and they don't cause a problem.

Don't mean to be rude about it, but you should maybe do some research into the UAE's laws on Freedom of Religion. You'd be surprised. Or just actually listen to the narrator.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3360 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Cool series so far (i'm on part 3 now). But why have they fuzzed out the "www.emirates.com" address on the side of the planes? I noticed it twice already, once on the 380 acceptance in Hamburg, the other on the A330 engine run. Odd.

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 9):
Just watched the episode with the Hamid the Customs guy. Seems like a nice guy and with a smile disallowing you to bring anything in from another religion. "This is not Koran This is not Koran "

It's interesting watching this after the Australian and NZ customs programmes. In DXB it's about things they wouldn't care about in Oz. I mean black magic, come on!



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

I was pleased to hear that the crew and 'passengers' on the flight that had a burst tyre were OK...wait a minute, the aircraft had large 'Cargo' titles on the side....!

User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
I mean black magic, come on!

Exactly! It's not my thing but it seems extremely intolerant. I actually did know a few things about the UAE before watching the series. They seemed to be very tolerant compared to their neighbors but there are definitely lines that still can't be crossed. I thought fuzzing the website made no sense too since the airline is already being "advertised" but probably some stupid fine print reasons with television advertising at play here.


User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 7):

Amazing what you can build when you pay your workers 50 cents a day. Oh yeah and no taxes either!

I have only watched the first episode but have u seen the number of "western" expats working there? From British construction specialist to ozzie load master. Whilst it wouldnt surprise me if they got better may, I don't think anyone would allow them to earn 400% the wages of say indian workers (which would be $2 a day)

Great series thanks for sharing!


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5484 times:
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A great series but at the same time a very subtle attempt to bring the focus of Emirates and DXB to the world, part of the great plan for the UAE to make Dubai a world hub and of course continue to bring tourism to the region, once all of their other resources of wealth have depleted. This is not the only show highlighting Dubai and it's over the top accomplishments to attract the world to the UAE.

Some of the delays and the subsequent consequences related to flights, planes and cargo seem a bit exaggerated, except for EK 414 to Sydney which must comply with strict deadlines...but even then lots of drama added in for good measure. Has a fully loaded EK 414 to Sydney ever been pulled off and passengers off loaded because they never made the pushback in time, I wonder? That flight is featured in Episode 1 and 8.

I am glad they do portray the Indian sub-continent workers, some of whom are treated with respect, which might not always be the case. And when addressed in English (sometimes with varying degrees of accents from the world over), do those poor guys even understand them, sometimes humbly acknowledging with a slight shake of the head. At the same time it's good that the "you do as I say" attitude of the UAE bosses are also shown and not sugar coated and made to believe it does not happen. And of course lots of exapts in senior positions, but you do see more and more Emiratis working there too, in support of the Emiratisation programme in the UAE in full force. Notice all Immigration and customs are purely Emirati including the very nice Hamid the customs guy. Don't you just want to have someone like him be your customs officer lol. So not a one sided view of the happenings at the airport.

I'm on episode 8 and have to say I do thoroughly enjoy it. Secretly hope I was there working at the airport, though anything outside of those glass enclosures in summer would be brutal. The main Operations centre is a place to die for, lucky all those guys that get to work in there.

Do people getting filmed randomly get approached beforehand that they are going to be part of a TV show? I'm sure nobody wants a TV camera and crew right in their face, especially sometimes after travelling for a long time, like that Canadian couple on their way to Delhi. I mean here there are privacy issues, not that reality shows don't take place, but what is the way they go about with this?


User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 15):
Do people getting filmed randomly get approached beforehand that they are going to be part of a TV show? I'm sure nobody wants a TV camera and crew right in their face

I think there may just be some signs put up somewhere. After immigration and just before customs is where you can find them for Australian Customs. If people don't want to be shown they simply make it known to the camera crew.



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
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Quoting DexSwart (Reply 16):
I think there may just be some signs put up somewhere. After immigration and just before customs is where you can find them for Australian Customs. If people don't want to be shown they simply make it known to the camera crew.

Good to know  . Will avoid those areas if I ever get caught up in one lol


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 15):
part of the great plan for the UAE to make Dubai a world hub

Its already a world hub

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 15):
Has a fully loaded EK 414 to Sydney ever been pulled off and passengers off loaded because they never made the pushback in time, I wonder?

They would not wait for the 3-5 passengers.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 14):
(which would be $2 a day)

What is cost of living in Dubai then for a normal apartment residence?


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
Its already a world hub

That is what they would like to think and make others believe too...don't forget about Etihad and Qatar in the area lol...

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
What is cost of living in Dubai then for a normal apartment residence?

The conditions the poor labourers live in Dubai is appalling....it is not uncommon there for 4-6 to share a room, with even more in the entire apartment....Rents are very high in Dubai, which is why some chose to live in Sharjah and commute to Dubai to work....It is not even better for even others who have to face the high cost of living....There are just a lucky few who get accomodation, while the top brass get all the works.....

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
They would not wait for the 3-5 passengers.

So all that drama was purely for the episode....why make it sound like the flight will never take off when in essence they will go no matter what....purely for TV.


User currently offlineleonardoq From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Geez, that Concourse manager thinks he is THE MAN... poor idiot...
that just makes me avoid Emirates or any of the ME3

[Edited 2013-11-13 18:18:30]


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 19):
So all that drama was purely for the episode....why make it sound like the flight will never take off when in essence they will go no matter what....purely for TV.

IMHO, the show accurately portrays the actual goings-on at an airport. There's enough drama already without having to add any for 'effect'.



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4624 times:
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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 21):
IMHO, the show accurately portrays the actual goings-on at an airport. There's enough drama already without having to add any for 'effect'.

I'm not denying it does not portray the actual going on at an airport, it does which makes it so interesting....but to quote directly from episode 1 itself.....

"One of the tightest is EK 414 to Sydney, Australia. A strict night time curfew in Sydney, means the flight won't take off if it isn't going to make it there in time".

"Six minutes until the gate closes but eleven Glasgow passengers are still missing. If they don't show up in the next few minutes the Sydney airport curfew means the flight will be forced to leave without them or be cancelled".

"He's got seven passengers missing four in wheelchairs, and if he waits much longer the flight could be cancelled and 418 passengers offloaded. The airline might have to put them into hotels overnight and try get them on flights the next day"

Really, isn't that drama....they'd hold up 418 for a mere six passengers.  

Loved the Marshaling of the aircraft....

...signals the pilot to make the turn too soon, luckily the pilot ignores him ...

.....coming straight...no no no...straight, (he signals the pilot to turn left, then panics and signals the pilot to turn right )...no straight... straight...

Now that is reality and no drama there  

And finally "Failure is not a option here...this is Dubai". Love the confidence.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 19):
That is what they would like to think and make others believe too...don't forget about Etihad and Qatar in the area lol...

Compare the amount of airlines serving DXB to AUH/DOH. Its easily double the amount. The vast majority of countries in the world have a flight to DXB

Also DXB is an LCC hub for FlyDubai.


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 23):
Compare the amount of airlines serving DXB to AUH/DOH. Its easily double the amount. The vast majority of countries in the world have a flight to DXB

The question was it being a world hub, and it might be in it's own right...and my response was don't forget EY and QR, they have connections to most corners of the globe too, and not forgetting TK who is slowly becoming a hub of their own.....The point being there is more to aviation than just Emirates!!  


25 Post contains images caliatenza : Loving the series so far; i've really wanted to go behind the scenes of an airport and see how everything works and stuff, so this series is doing jus
26 buckeyetech : Thanks for the heads up about this series. My background has only been with military aircraft, so it's nice to see how ground operations work in the c
27 WALmsp : True, TV needs "drama" to sell, but at least the people being followed are talking in real terms. The Travel Channel's series about Miami follows wor
28 directorguy : I got hooked on the show after seeing the link here a few days ago. I'm now on Episode 6. Before watching this show, I never knew how difficult it mus
29 DexSwart : Something like 90 - 95% of the UAE is expatriate I believe. I can't recall the figures off the top of my head, though...
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