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Norwegian To Open Base In Madrid - 6 New Routes  
User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1154 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

Norwegian to start its 5th Spanish base in MAD with routes to ARN, HAM, HEL, LGW, OSL and WAW, in addition to CPH - already operated -, from S14.

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...d-its-spanish-route-network-927236

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

They will rule the world or ... they will eat themselves.

I personally become more and more sceptic on Norwegian developments.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9516 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Talk about ambition.

Norwegian will hire about 100 folks for the Madrid expansion.



if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 1):
I personally become more and more sceptic on Norwegian developments.

With Bjorn Kjos as CEO, I am quite optimistic. Time will tell.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 1):
I personally become more and more sceptic on Norwegian developments.

Why ?

Apart from the problems With the Dreamliners for a period, he has been doing great so far.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
Apart from the problems With the Dreamliners for a period, he has been doing great so far.

Have they succeeded anywhere outside Nordics? Data, which are available (from LGW for example) shows they are not. (They failed at WAW few years ago). Now they are going to MAD where FR and U2 reduced as they found the market for LCC just not here, at least for now.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see where they will go next.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
Norwegian will hire about 100 folks for the Madrid expansion.

Will they work for Norwegian or be contracted out?


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

I think this quote from a Norwegian 15 October press release will give you some answers OB1504:

- In line with legal developments in Europe, fully owned country-specific resource companies will be established
- Hired pilots will be offered permanent employment locally in the respective resource companies. Pilots in Finland are the first to be offered permanent employment by the first quarter 2014. Pilots at bases in Spain and England will follow.


User currently offlinespantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 5):
Now they are going to MAD where FR and U2 reduced as they found the market for LCC just not here, at least for now

Data for 2013, JAN-OCT. Pax at Spanish airports.

Ryanair: 29 million
Vueling: 20
Air Europa: 11,6
Iberia: 11,2
Easyjet: 10,6

Well, it seems that LCC are not having such a bad time in Spain... Norwegian could also fly domestic routes, as Ryanair is doing (becoming, by the way, a kind of "Spanish flag carrier"), because there should be some possibilities.



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 5):
Now they are going to MAD where FR and U2 reduced as they found the market for LCC just not here, at least for now.

Well, that might be the idea. There is a plan set by AENA (spanish airports owner) to deeply discount airport fees to airlines willing to start new routers. This is to help recover from the "sudden" lost of traffic at spanish airports once they came up with the idea of raising fees up to 100% last year at MAD & BCN.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Quoting spantax (Reply 8):
Ryanair: 29 million
Vueling: 20
Air Europa: 11,6
Iberia: 11,2
Easyjet: 10,6

Do you confirm that UX carried more pax than IB ?!



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlinespantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 10):
Do you confirm that UX carried more pax than IB ?!

Yes.

Air Europa: 11.643.761
Iberia: 11.230.016

Source: AENA

http://www.aena-aeropuertos.es/csee/...gename=Estadisticas%2FEstadisticas



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 10):

Do you confirm that UX carried more pax than IB ?!

Yes, they did.
http://noticias.lainformacion.com/ec...septiembre_LwB9UmltAfv95opVMGSz13/

Saludos,



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlinemfc From Spain, joined Feb 2006, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6272 times:

Quoting spantax (Reply 11):
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12):

Air Europa carried more pax than Iberia MAINLINE, if you add the passengers from Iberia Express and Air Nostrum the figures are different.

Un saludo,

Martín

[Edited 2013-11-11 15:17:18]


So, we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 5):
Have they succeeded anywhere outside Nordics? Data, which are available (from LGW for example) shows they are not. (They failed at WAW few years ago). Now they are going to MAD where FR and U2 reduced as they found the market for LCC just not here, at least for now.

Well if its avaible, why not point in the direction of a source? If you look away from they big failure in Poland a few years ago the only place outside the Nordics they have operated is the Gatwick-base, wich opened last year. Bit early to say if they suceeds or not  


User currently offlinestationmanager From Spain, joined Sep 2006, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting spantax (Reply 11):

It is not true.

You are misunderstanding the statistics. These stats count domestic PAX four times. 1 PAP travelling MAD-AGP-MAD is counted twice at MAD and AGP while 1 PAP travelling MAD-ORD-MAD is counted twice at MAD only. So UX due to is operating more domestic flights seems to carry more PAX than IB. In fact, at MAD only, IB carried more PAX than UX.

And yes, spanish media misunderstood the statistics too.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

DY seem to be doing very well out of LGW... Some people I know in London have used them to fly south and love the wifi especially... the prices seem to be very competitive too.

Question.. Does DY have a cabin crew base out of LGW?



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quote:
DY seem to be doing very well out of LGW... Some people I know in London have used them to fly south and love the wifi especially... the prices seem to be very competitive too.

They do seem to be popular here - I've flown with them twice this year out of LGW and the flights have been excellent. I haven't seen formal numbers though.

Quote:
Question.. Does DY have a cabin crew base out of LGW?

Yes they do.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Don't compare Spain to Madrid.. Apples to oranges.

Easyjet failed in madrid, and so have Ryanair.

Now, what do Norwegian think they will do differently?

Brand recognition? No - unknown airline
Fares? No - higher cost base
Frequency? No

Spreading themselves too thinly. Too many bases all over the place.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting stationmanager (Reply 15):

Thank you for the clarification. I was wondering how it was possible just regarding their fleets :

IB : 32 A340/330s and 42 32Ss (+ 16 320s for I2)
UX : 13 330s , 19 738s and 11 E95s



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

At least initially DY is basically only flying to their bases in the Nordics. Really just a move to cut expensive Nordic cabin crews.


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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Don't compare Spain to Madrid.. Apples to oranges.

And yet you do the same. Did Easyjet fly to the any of the nordic countries?

I feel that Madrid have been a "try and fail" thing for both SAS and Norwegian the last year.

Norwegian have actually flown from Oslo to Madrid in the past(2008) but I guess it got cut as the global recession hit us with full force.

SAS even tried BGO-MAD (in 2011 with departures on sat), so will be interesting to see if scandinavians want to use this offer now that its back


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 21):
And yet you do the same. Did Easyjet fly to the any of the nordic countries?


So, Norwegian is opening a base to fly to the Nordics only?

Easyjet tried a good mix of domestics and European routes from Madrid. They were not a success.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Question for European A.netters: is the "Norwegian" brand an asset or a liability for non-Nordic routes?

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
Easyjet failed in madrid, and so have Ryanair.

Now, what do Norwegian think they will do differently?

Brand recognition? No - unknown airline
Fares? No - higher cost base
Frequency? No

Norwegian got something Ryanair and Easyjet don't have ... ** CLASS ** ... On Rynair and Easyjet you feel like you are flying on a Budget airline. Not so much with Norwegian. Look's much fresher and elegant than SAS for instance ...


25 SCQ83 : easyJet closed its base and Ryanair decreased flights for several reasons (discussed in this forum multiple times). MAD had a formidable, "Asianesque"
26 r2rho : Excellent summary of the past decade at MAD, couldn't have said it better. I agree that Norwegian is fully aware of the new reality at MAD, they have
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