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OAG Changes 11/15/2013: DL/UA/Y4/ZK  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10708 times:

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operates less than daily it will become affected by the unqual number of days in each month. For example, if a flight runs on Tuesdays only and a month has 5 Tuesdays it will show 5/31=.16=0.2 (if 31 days), but 4/31=.129=.1 if the month has 4 Tuesdays.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


7H GAL-KYU DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7
7H HSL-KYU DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0
7H KYU-NUL DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7

AA DFW-CHS FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2

AB JFK-TXL MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AB ORD-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0

AM ORD-MEX APR 3>4
AM SAT-MEX JAN 3>1.5 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0

AS HNL-OAK APR 0.9>0.4 MAY 0.9>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.4
AS HNL-SJC APR 0.9>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6

BW JFK-POS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3

DL ATL-BHM FEB 8>10
DL ATL-IAH FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-MGM MAR 9>8 APR 9>8
DL ATL-OAJ JUL 6>5
DL ATL-SAV FEB 9>8 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-SGF MAR 6>5
DL ATL-XNA FEB 8>7

Taken as a group looks like retaliation by DL against B6
*DL DTW-BOS MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
*DL BOS-CUN MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1
*DL BOS-JAX MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*DL BOS-NAS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1
*DL BOS-ORF MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
*DL BOS-PLS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1
*DL BOS-RIC MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
*DL JFK-PLS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1

DL BWI-RDU JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
DL BZN-MSP FEB 3>2
DL CVG-DFW FEB 3>1.6
TOL redo?
**DL DTW-FNT JAN 3>0.3 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL FNT-MSP APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
DL DTW-LEX MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
DL DTW-MHT MAR 3>4
DL DTW-MKE MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
DL DTW-MSP JAN 9>8 MAR 9>8 APR 9>8 MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8 JUL 9>8
DL DTW-PVD JUL 5>4
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5
DL DTW-SBN MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
DL DTW-SFO MAR 4>3
DL DTW-TVC JUN 6>7
DL HNL-SFO FEB 0.4>0.3
DL IAD-MSP FEB 3>1.9
DL IND-MSP JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL JFK-AUS MAR 1.8>1.0
*DL JFK-MCI APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL LAX-HNL APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
*DL LAX-OAK MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
*DL LAX-PDX MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
*DL LAX-SJC MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL LGA-ROA FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL MCO-RDU FEB 3>2
*DL MEM-BOS JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0
*DL MEM-CVG JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>0.9 MAR 3>0.7 APR 3>0.7 MAY 3>0.7 JUN 3>0.7 JUL 3>0.7
Slots go where?
**DL MEM-DCA JAN 1.5>0.2 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.5>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.6>0
*DL MEM-LGA JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.7>0.9 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.9
DL MLI-MSP FEB 1.4>0.9
DL MOT-MSP JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL MSO-MSP MAY 1.0>2
DL RDU-TPA FEB 1.5>1.0
DL SLC-EKO JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
DL SLC-OKC FEB 1.5>1.0

F9 CMH-TTN JAN 0.3>0.1

G4 AVL-PIE APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-CID MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
G4 AZA-FAR MAY 0.4>1.2 JUN 0.4>1.1 JUL 0.4>1.1
G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.5
G4 FLL-GRR APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 FLL-GSP APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3
G4 FLL-TYS MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.5
G4 PIA-PIE MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6
G4 PIE-TOL MAY 0.7>0.6
G4 SBN-SFB MAY 0.4>1.2 JUN 0.4>1.2 JUL 0.4>1.1

HA HNL-JFK FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.8

IG JFK-NAP MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.6
IG JFK-PMO JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3

MW HNM-JHM DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

*OR MIA-AMS APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.5

PD BOS-YTZ APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 7>8

S3 MIA-CCS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4

SY DFW-CUN MAY 0.6>0.8 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.8
SY DFW-CZM JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5
SY DFW-LIR JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1
SY DFW-MBJ JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
SY DFW-MSP JUN 0>1.1 JUL 0>1.1
SY DFW-PUJ JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6
SY DFW-PVR JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
SY MSP-CUN JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4

TCX LAS-MAN MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4

*UA CLE-PHX JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0
UA DEN-GUC JUL 1.0>2.0
UA DEN-HDN JUL 2>3
UA DEN-PVR JUL 0.3>0.1
UA IAD-FLL JAN 1.0>0.8
UA IAH-MEX MAY 8>9
UA IAH-MTY MAY 8>9
UA ORD-YOW APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA ORD-YVR JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA SFO-EWR FEB 11>10

*UX MIA-MAD JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4

*V2 GPT-PIE DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0

VX BOS-SFO MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3

Y4 DEN-MEX JAN 0.8>0.3 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.9>0.3 MAY 0.8>0.3 JUN 0.9>0.3 JUL 0.8>0.3
Y4 LAX-GDL DEC 3>4
Y4 LAX-MEX DEC 0.9>1.0 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5
Y4 LAX-ZCL FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.5 JUL 0.5>0.4
Y4 MCO-MEX JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.6
Y4 MDW-MEX DEC 0.7>0.3 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0
Y4 OAK-MEX JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0
Y4 ORD-MEX DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
Y4 PHX-MEX DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
Y4 SAN-GDL JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0
Y4 SAN-MEX JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5
Y4 SAT-GDL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3
Y4 SJC-GDL JAN 1.4>1.1 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 1.5>1.0 JUL 1.4>1.0
Y4 SMF-GDL DEC 0.6>0.9 JAN 0.9>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 0.9>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.6 JUN 0.8>0.6 JUL 0.9>0.6

ZK DEN-PIR DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 3>1.0 APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0
ZK DVL-MSP DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
*ZK FOD-MCW DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
ZK FOD-MSP DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
ZK JMS-MSP DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
ZK MCW-MSP DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10483 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AB JFK-TXL MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AB ORD-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0

Looks like Berlin is getting some love from the U.S., and OW is giving it.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Taken as a group looks like retaliation by DL against B6

Hmmmmm..... maybe..... BOS-JAX with a new daily, and then BOS-RDU with a couple of dailies...... probably having birds with nothing to do since MEM is being cut to smitherines..... otherwise, the other routes amount to 4 weekly......

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 CMH-TTN JAN 0.3>0.1

Trying to survive January?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-CID MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
G4 AZA-FAR MAY 0.4>1.2 JUN 0.4>1.1 JUL 0.4>1.1
............
G4 SBN-SFB MAY 0.4>1.2 JUN 0.4>1.2 JUL 0.4>1.1

Looks like there's enough from middle America for Phoenix to go daily and even more and yet.....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PHX JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0

...... a big city like Cleveland can't work with a daily to Phoenix, since UA is the only carrier here? Maybe fares have something to do with this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4 DEN-MEX JAN 0.8>0.3 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.9>0.3 MAY 0.8>0.3 JUN 0.9>0.3 JUL 0.8>0.3
DEN-MEX carriers and frequencies seem to be changed more than diapers on a baby with diarrhea......

 



[Edited 2013-11-11 06:53:01]

User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2031 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10372 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
TOL redo?
**DL DTW-FNT JAN 3>0.3 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL FNT-MSP APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3

I doubt it..I think they usually go to 3 flights a day to MSP in the summer...can't remember. Difference is, FNT still has ATL on DL...I think this is a bigger ploy to eliminate the lower yield connecting flow. I wonder if WN flying to BWI was eroding a lot of their yields to the East from FNT... Interesting none the less..


User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

I don't see DL pulling out of FNT. Unlike TOL, there's too many competitors there for them to ignore. In addition to the MSP flights, there's also service to ATL. More likely, this is related to the reductions in CRJ flying.

User currently offlinecodc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PHX JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0

Doubt UA is leaving the market, more likely a temporary pulldown during the slow season in PHX.


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AB JFK-TXL MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.5
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AB ORD-TXL MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0

Wow! That's great to see the AB flights so successful to ORD. I wonder how much they will be duking it out with OS in ORD for the Eastern-European connecting traffic. AB is starting to look like a comprehensive network carrier. Time to order some more 787s or A332s!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-MCI APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

long, thin routes like this have trouble sticking at MCI. MCI-DCA gets cut by F9, MCI-SFO is still only RJs on UA, and the link to the European departures bank at JFK is cut. I wonder if AA will see this as an opportunity with a CR7 perhaps?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL DTW-FNT JAN 3>0.3 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

This almost has to be an error. DL sends MD-80s to FNT from ATL!


User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Quoting codc10 (Reply 4):

Doubt UA is leaving the market, more likely a temporary pulldown during the slow season in PHX

They probably will add CLE-PDX for the summer like this past summer



Cleveland the best location in the Nation
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):
Hmmmmm..... maybe..... BOS-JAX with a new daily, and then BOS-RDU with a couple of dailies...... probably having birds with nothing to do since MEM is being cut to smitherines..... otherwise, the other routes amount to 4 weekly......

Can't agree. If it was JFK I might say so, but DL lost BOS a long time ago (if they ever had it). B6 owns BOS now, this is too little too late and the timing is curious. DL got booted from PIT-BOS when they tried that.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 2):
I wonder if WN flying to BWI was eroding a lot of their yields to the East from FNT

Judging from the loads in T100 it is only eroding EN's profits at this point.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
long, thin routes like this have trouble sticking at MCI.

Yeah, I agree. That is a big loss in terms of int'l access. A lot of int'l routes become two stops with that going away.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL DTW-FNT JAN 3>0.3 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

This almost has to be an error. DL sends MD-80s to FNT from ATL!

Hearing it isn't an error


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM FEB 8>10

Currently operated by a mix of M88 D95 CR7 320 CRJ > to be all 319

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-OAK MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8

Currently operated by a mix of CR9 CR7 > to be all CR7

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-PDX MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5

Currently operated by a mix of CR9 CR7 > to be all CR9

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-SJC MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6

Currently operated by a mix of CR7 CR9 > to be all CR7



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM FEB 8>10

Currently operated by a mix of M88 D95 CR7 320 CRJ > to be all 319

They are upgauging and increasing flights???


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1066 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Taken as a group looks like retaliation by DL against B6

Wow - DL means serious business here even though the majority of the attack is on leisure routes. It would be more interesting if DL did something like double BOS-RDU capacity.


Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MHT MAR 3>4

I would include this as part of the retaliation as well.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-ORF MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
*DL BOS-RIC MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2

Why enter RIC when you had Hampton Roads metro to yourself?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-JAX MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

This one looks permanent and not seasonal I guess??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-CUN MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1

Wasn't DL serving this weekly year-round at some point?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-ORF MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
*DL BOS-RIC MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2

Why enter RIC when you had Hampton Roads metro to yourself?

I know.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-CUN MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1

Wasn't DL serving this weekly year-round at some point?

Yes, but they pulled most of those pt2pt CUN flights.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9913 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAD-FLL JAN 1.0>0.8

Funny route. I've flown full 757s. Yet some weekends a CR7 would fill the bill (as with IAD-MIA).

Quoting codc10 (Reply 4):
Doubt UA is leaving the market, more likely a temporary pulldown during the slow season in PHX.

The last time I flew this route as pmCO, there were as many non-revs on the plane as paying clients. I remember the flight because some of the non-revs sat in the back and let their children take empty seats in the front. I was in 1-F, and my seatmate in 1-E turned out to be a talkative 10 year old who wanted to know why I was even allowed on the plane if I didn't live in Cleveland.  boggled 

[Edited 2013-11-11 08:49:38]

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9820 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
They are upgauging and increasing flights???

Weird indeed but starting march there are even 11 flights on weekdays all operated by A319.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-RIC MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2

This is actually a US route. I really don't know what is going on here, but they may be trying to grab some market share and hope that US pulls out and falls back on cornerstones after the merger, since really the long term future of some P2P's out of BOS are somewhat uncertain on US. (I believe the BOS P2Ps, plus LGA-PIT are the only non hub routes US has left in their system)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-ORF MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0

Then again, DL may have not had much luck on this route and they are moving it to RIC to hit a bigger catchment area.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4 MDW-MEX DEC 0.7>0.3 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Y4 ORD-MEX DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

As expected and long rumored on here. The only reason this flight was at MDW is because of the WN codeshare. WIth that gone, there is no reason really for them to be at MDW, plus I think WN would like to get their hands on the FIS gates at MDW.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX BOS-SFO MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3

VX is quietly becoming number 2 on this route. I don't even know what UA is at on this route anymore.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-ROA FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 1.0>0

There has been so much focus about what US is doing with slots at DCA, that we forget about DL and the LGA slots that were also a part of the deal. Looks like ROA is one of the first casualties on that front. MEM loses a daily frequency as well out of LGA, and it doesn't seem like DL has reallocated these slots, so I don't know who gains at these cities expense.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PHX JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0

Since US doesn't fly this route, this was the Star Alliance presence on the route, and with US going to OW, there may not be a need to fly this route anymore nonstop. With CLE's future as a UA hub not real good to begin with, this may be the first of many we see here.

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
long, thin routes like this have trouble sticking at MCI.

Yeah, I agree. That is a big loss in terms of int'l access. A lot of int'l routes become two stops with that going away.

Which DL routes are only flown out of JFK? Because it would seem to me like DL could funnel such connections over other hubs? This could be very good for AA, as they are pretty strong in MCI, and will gain PHL soon. The other thing is if the destinations that are JFK only on Delta don't generate a lot of traffic from MCI, then DL may just be cutting losses and focusing on O and D to LGA instead, where because you fly the route, JFK is little more than a feeder flight that is overly redundant due to other hubs, mainly DTW and ATL. Of course I have known DL to sell itineraries with an airport transfer in NYC as well.

Quoting michman (Reply 3):
I don't see DL pulling out of FNT. Unlike TOL, there's too many competitors there for them to ignore. In addition to the MSP flights, there's also service to ATL. More likely, this is related to the reductions in CRJ flying.

I think its a combination of that, and basically DL not wanting people to take advantage of the old DAY loophole, where it was cheaper to buy a ticket from DAY and connect through CVG than it was to fly nonstop from CVG. Obviously DL wants you to do the latter if possible since they make more money, and probably lose it the other way. The only difference is now its FNT and DTW instead of DAY and CVG.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

A couple of interesting Hawaii moves:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS HNL-OAK APR 0.9>0.4 MAY 0.9>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.4
AS HNL-SJC APR 0.9>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6

This furthers my opinion that the East Bay area is the center of the juggling of flights between AS and HA -- kind of the center of their on-going shoving match over service to the Islands.

And speaking of Hawaii, this is an interesting reduction as well.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HA HNL-JFK FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.8


This is a curious move by DL, something that hasn't happened before in recent memory:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DEN-MEX carriers and frequencies seem to be changed more than diapers on a baby with diarrhea......

Great comment which, IMHO, applies in some other Volaris markets as well:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4 SAN-GDL JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0
Y4 SAN-MEX JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5


bb


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3145 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

Quoting michman (Reply 3):
More likely, this is related to the reductions in CRJ flying.

I agree with michman in that if you're determined to get rid of the CRJ-200s that route (DTW-FNT) has to go. I wonder if DTW-MBS will go as well or just be altered to fewer frequencies and a CRJ-900. I think we can expect much more of this in the remaining CRJ-200 stations.

[Edited 2013-11-11 08:47:22]

[Edited 2013-11-11 08:48:03]

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAD-FLL JAN 1.0>0.8

Funny route. I've flown full 757s. Yet some weekends a CR7 would fill the bill (as with IAD-MIA).

IAD is a leisure wasteland. I wonder how long B6 will stay there outside of the BOS service which I think they have to stay in or somebody else will do it.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
They are upgauging and increasing flights???

Weird indeed but starting march there are even 11 flights on weekdays all operated by A319.

It's probably an error or otherwise temp schedule.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
This is actually a US route.

But B6 is the target.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
Then again, DL may have not had much luck on this route and they are moving it to RIC to hit a bigger catchment area.

That's probably also true, but because B6 made RIC cheaper.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
There has been so much focus about what US is doing with slots at DCA, that we forget about DL and the LGA slots that were also a part of the deal.

True. I should have starred the ROA drop. Missed it.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-PHX JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0

Since US doesn't fly this route, this was the Star Alliance presence on the route, and with US going to OW, there may not be a need to fly this route anymore nonstop.

WN will add it I suspect.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
Yeah, I agree. That is a big loss in terms of int'l access. A lot of int'l routes become two stops with that going away.

Which DL routes are only flown out of JFK?

There are a bunch actually that DL is flying Summer only now, but I was speaking also to all the interline options at JFK.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
This is a curious move by DL, something that hasn't happened before in recent memory:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5

I agree. Probably where the PDX plane came from now that it is running all year.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 16):
I agree with michman in that if you're determined to get rid of the CRJ-200s that route (DTW-FNT) has to go.

A lot more routes will die as a result of the CRJ-200's eventual demise.


User currently onlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

DTW-FNT has several strikes against it:

--Zero local traffic

--FNT yields have not been good for years

--With FNT-ATL able to reasonably handle the large bulk of Flint-origin traffic, there's no need for FNT-DTW. Delta will happily sell you FNT-ATL-PHL or FNT-ATL-BNA.

--Some looking for cheaper fares or more segments...especially the 2m in metro Deroit's Oakland and Macomb counties...will book FNT-DTW-XXX instead of DTW-XXX. That behavior is nothing Delta probably wants to subsidize. In theory peopel can just drive the extra 35 minutes up to MBS to fly MBS-DTW-XXX, or other LAN-DTW-XXX. But neither MBS nor LAN has LCC fares like Flint does. And neither MBS nor LAN has Atlanta nonstops to offset the loss of DTW flights.

So....I doni't see FNT as turning into TOL on Delta.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
Quote:
This is a curious move by DL, something that hasn't happened before in recent memory:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5
I agree. Probably where the PDX plane came from now that it is running all year

Or perhaps providing the funding for some of the new SEA-flights?

In any case, it seems to tell me that SAN-DTW has not been doing all that well... Which still surprises me.

bb


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 16):
Quoting michman (Reply 3): More likely, this is related to the reductions in CRJ flying.
I agree with michman in that if you're determined to get rid of the CRJ-200s that route (DTW-FNT) has to go. I wonder if DTW-MBS will go as well or just be altered to fewer frequencies and a CRJ-900.

MBS is a major market for corporate travel (Dow Chemical), so I think DL is more likely to make the route a CRJ-900, to ensure Dow travelers can continue to fly MBS-Europe / Asia via DTW.



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL HNL-SFO FEB 0.4>0.3

This route has constantly been cut down. Surprised DL is still holding on to this route. Thought it would've gone with the NRT route.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Oooh, this was a good week to discuss changes. As always, thanks for posting the OAG reports.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL DTW-FNT JAN 3>0.3 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

WN must be happy to pick up the additional connecting traffic. FNT-MSP works well for the west half of the country, but FNT-ATL is just completely out of the way for travel to the northeast. FNT-BWI should do better with this cut.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MSP JAN 9>8 MAR 9>8 APR 9>8 MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8 JUL 9>8

In my book this was a star. Only 8x even during the summer? It's getting tough to connect through DET from MSP. Frequency and gauge is way down since pre-DL, and the flights are packed. So the good fares are all through - you guessed it - ATL.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5

Ouch. Wasn't a good week for DTW. During vacation time too?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-HNL APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4

Wow, a DL ADDITION to HNL from the mainland!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*DL MEM-BOS JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0
*DL MEM-CVG JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>0.9 MAR 3>0.7 APR 3>0.7 MAY 3>0.7 JUN 3>0.7 JUL 3>0.7
Slots go where?
**DL MEM-DCA JAN 1.5>0.2 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.5>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.6>0
*DL MEM-LGA JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.7>0.9 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.9

This is crazy. MEM loses DL service to two large non-hub markets. And service to two hubs get put on life support, including all of New York. Unbelievable. To put into perspective, MEM-LGA will be down to the same frequency as the soon-to-be-cut ROA is today. That's hard to fathom.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6357 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Taken as a group looks like retaliation by DL against B6

If I were DL Management….my thinking would go like this.

1) B6 are mostly boxed in at JFK
2) You do not want B6 to start to grow outside of JFK because if they succeed, by default they get stronger at JFK.
3) B6 seems to have found a foothold at BOS

So…part of your business plan must now entail keeping B6 from growing any more at BOS….even if it means small losses for you….because if you don't it can mean even bigger losses down the road at JFK. You do not want B6 reaching critical mass like AS did out west.

Best defense is a good offense. Keep b6 "niche" at all costs.

Just my 2$



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):This is a curious move by DL, something that hasn't happened before in recent memory:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-SAN MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.5
I agree. Probably where the PDX plane came from now that it is running all year.

A very subtle olive branch to AS? "We know that you're building a nice little operation in SAN, so we'll pull a little bit of capacity out in exchange for the mass of capacity that we're adding in SEA... Truce?"



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25 knope2001 : To clarify, FNT yields have not been good for years because of FL and now WN. Not because of the economic woes of Flint itself. On the contrary -- th
26 jetbluefan1 : If your theory holds any validity, DL is about 5 years too late to the party. B6 serves over 50 destinations from BOS and is the largest carrier by a
27 yellowtail : Anything is a subjective term….I remember the days when the popular belief was that none of the other carriers could do "anything to stop PA"….lo
28 Post contains images dlflynhayn : I hope this sticks cause last summer was just bad,..Went via NRT just to get to HNL for the first time ever that trip hurt but you do what you have t
29 apodino : What does connections have to do exactly? MSP and DTW are both DL hubs last time I checked, so realistically there are not many places that MSP are g
30 Post contains images enilria : Given their loads...:D Actually what is crazy is that they add BOS-RIC making themselves the third airline, but leave MEM-BOS which was a monopoly. T
31 apodino : I think AS and B6 are two different apples. For one thing, DL is trying to turn SEA into a west coast Asian Gateway, and that is pretty obvious. Seco
32 globalflyer : *V2 GPT-PIE DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 Is this V2's last scheduled servic
33 MSPNWA : There's many small to medium-sized markets in the Carolinas, Virginias, and other eastern states that either don't have service or have very limited
34 SouthernDC9 : DL had MEM-BOS on the map they put out for their alliance with Virgin Atlantic, which I thought was maybe a good sign that they saw some potential fo
35 michman : Looks like they are dropping the 9:40PM DTW-MSP and MSP-DTW flights. Seems like these are pretty important for getting home to DTW or MSP on the last
36 jetbluefan1 : BOS doesn't have significant strategic importance to DL. By your logic, DL should be increasing FLL and SJU flying too. B6 and DL have been competito
37 bobnwa : Which airline drove DL from PIT-BOS and when?
38 CompensateMe : The cancellation of FNT-DTW has nothing to do with the dwindling 50-seat fleet or competition from WN (which is actually failing - more on the topic
39 enilria : The issue isn't AS giving DL enough feed. In both cases having access to connecting traffic is critical to being able to profitably serve JFK or SEA
40 MaverickM11 : Interesting move from MDW to ORD, a new station.
41 FlyPIJets : Sad ROA has had LGA service since forever... I understand keeping the status quo is no reason to continue. But ouch for ROA.
42 SANFan : Hmmmm, or how about this scenario: "Thanks for cutting your service between SAN and DTW, Delta. We've (totally) coincidentally decided that in March,
43 THEFLLFLYER : Airlines always have cheap fares to LAS over Thanksgiving....very few VFR pax headed there for the holiday.
44 bobnwa : Yes they are out of themarket but no airline drove them out. Airlines are quite frequently not in a market, does that mean some one drove them out? I
45 CompensateMe : As always, I appreciate the thread but find the overanalysis to be entertaining; much of what's occurring is merely routine adjustments. For example:
46 JetBlueCLT : The actions Delta is par taking is totally uncalled for. They are really just wasting there capital on doing this. B6 already has a strongfoot hold in
47 pit : B6 and US both drove DL out. DL ran 3x daily and the flights would be quarter full at best. The evening flight was timed for connections on the BOS-L
48 brooklynchris13 : Kind of surprised this didn't get a (*) unless I missed a subsequent post. Does this spell the beginning of the end of F9's experimental return to CM
49 Post contains images MesaFlyGuy : I'm not saying you're wrong, but you also have to bear in mind that DL has been adding a few different Sat-only destinations from BOS lately (MYR, CH
50 adamh8297 : ' I believe its mostly retaliatory and history shows this. In this case, they do have the ability in BOS to fight back with an alternative to startin
51 PlanesNTrains : Perhaps there were enough bookings that pulling it altogether would not have made sense? I'm guessing they plan to route more people over LAX to HNL
52 JetBlueCLT : I understand that. I just think with all these additions to SEA and some new flights to BOS is just a little to much
53 jfklganyc : As others have said. It's a bit late for this. B6 flies more passengers than DL at JFK, and DL vs B6 in BOS is a lost cause. The ship has sailed. BOS
54 enilria : Maybe, but I doubt they'd add it. They drove themselves out by their own ineptitude? I'd think somebody else driving them out is more flattering than
55 MesaFlyGuy : I absolutely agree. They are definitely making a statement with the adds, but only a few are actually retaliatory, while the others were just for eff
56 adamh8297 : When was BOS-LAS loaded? I just checked randomly on ITA and it looks less than daily.
57 Mah4546 : It's impressive to see airberlin grow at Tegel. What began as a mere two weekly flights to Miami is now daily service to three AA's three main Europe
58 yellowtail : I don't think the object is a beat down or drive them market….the object is to drive down B6 yields …which will happen….. Do that for long enou
59 enilria : Maybe, but still LAS/RIC/JAX are a lot. Sorry, BOS-LAS was not in my schedule compare because they loaded it later, but it should be there now. DL BO
60 PHX787 : Tardy to the party but werent these already sold? CLE is roughly the same size as CVG. I'm getting the impression that Ohio airports unfortunately ar
61 enilria : Nope. They kept enough slots in the US transaction to fly the route.
62 MSPNWA : I just looked it up too, and you're right, they are dropping those flights. I'm very surprised they're cutting those. I know the late flights were po
63 SANFan : It just occurred to me that DL could take a swipe at both B6 and AS with a single additional route out of BOS -- SAN. B6 is in a bit of a tousle with
64 adamh8297 : In this case, the enemy (AS) of your enemy (B6) may be your friend. However, does DL ever codeshare on the AS operated flight? No worries - also can
65 Post contains images SANFan : Oh sure they do, just like DL codeshares with AS between SAN and SEA. I wasn't all the serious with my proposal anyway. Just thinking out loud... bb
66 awacsooner : YGTBSM... down to one daily, and that's about your only westbound connecting option? Come on!
67 FlyASAGuy2005 : MSP-ATL isn't a very cheap route (not ticket's, operationally). At close to 2hrs flight time and just over 900 miles, it takes up a lot of a/c time a
68 MesaFlyGuy : It's the same reason JFK-ATL is only 6x daily, with mainly a319s and a320s going south, with MD-88s and 737s going north. Also the reason AA flies DF
69 CompensateMe : I think you misunderstood his post; although he was ranting, he is correct. Since the merger, DL has dumped oodles of capacity into ATL whereas every
70 CompensateMe : Apples to oranges comparison. DTW & MSP (as well as DFW & ORD) both serve many small and medium sized communities with limited options. JFK d
71 FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't have the numbers in front of me but DTW aside, MSP has been relatively flat which is a good thing. In regards to Atlanta, we're not even clos
72 ouboy79 : Far cry from the days of mainline service or 3+ daily flights on SkyWest.
73 FlyASAGuy2005 : Which is why I myself didn't pull the ATL-JFK card. Two very different markets. All those flights are geard towards O/D and very specific banks on th
74 CompensateMe : 2006-2007 isn't relevant, since independent of the merger, there's no way ATL would be handling the capacity it is today. E.g. if DL was unsuccessful
75 CompensateMe : Like I said, I agree with the merits of his argument but not necessarily the rant. I'm not surprised the late MSP-DTW flight has been faltering, give
76 FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't see where i've said that. I'm not trying to convince anyone i'm just giving my point of view. At the end of the day, I don't work in that dep
77 CompensateMe : More of a figure of speech. I, too, am giving an alternate point of view / explanation for DL's business decisions. And given the finite capacity at
78 RWA380 : Yep, looks as if DL wants to give up competing at SFO with UA in certain markets. SEA used to be UA turf, now it isn't, I guess DL needs to focus it'
79 MSPNWA : Well maybe you better tell that to the DL revenue management team. I look for travel often between MSP/Upper Midwest airports to the northern South A
80 FlyASAGuy2005 : In principle, yes. I am not one to believe that EVERYTHING has to be flown through ATL. There are markets that IMO, are better served through DTW. Or
81 CompensateMe : Flow shifts are inevitable unless DL suddenly supports expansion of ATL. Given the cost (vs. "free" capacity elsewhere) coupled with the fact that tr
82 Post contains links tlecam : Here is a quote from Delta's press release on the Boston expansion "We continue to see a growing demand in Boston and increased flights next year will
83 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL still holds Florida close to their heart. Look at the hourly service to MCO and near hourly to FLL. And quite a bit to the others such as PBI, JAX
84 adamh8297 : I don't think the JAX flight is timed for it on the way home due to early morning departure from BOS.
85 enilria : I expect SEA will forge East in terms of spokes. I think this BOS stuff will be short-lived, but they will probably try different things.
86 HVNandrew : I'm not. DL is still a major player in the BOS domestic market, maybe not as much as in the mid-2000s, but still a sizable operation. Also a lot of t
87 rmoore7734 : What are the chances of WN giving up it's gates on D & consolidate on C ? If they (WN) are not going to allow more than 20 a/c at a time then tha
88 FlyASAGuy2005 : WN does not have any gates on D. They use CUTE gates. The only carriers with leases on D are Delta, US Airways, and UA.
89 rmoore7734 : Thanks for the education. I thought for years AirTran had leases on D. Glad to get that straightened out.
90 PSU.DTW.SCE : s This sucks as I've routinely been on that 9:45pm MSP-DTW flight for a variety of reasons. It as traditionally been the connecting flight from the l
91 knope2001 : It does make you wonder if they can accurately capture how much this late flight saves them in costs, and if that is factored into the analysis. Peop
92 PSU.DTW.SCE : That 9:45pm flight was always likely to get an equipment change too, depending on whatever they needed to move between hubs. Its been scheduled with a
93 FlyASAGuy2005 : I can comment on this. DL's been hard pressed over the past year to cancel on controllable delays. So far this year we've had 57; yes 57 100% mainlin
94 Post contains images CompensateMe : Absolutely but you missed my point . I agree DL's completion rate is stellar, but a minor piece in context to what's being argued. Delays off all kin
95 FlyASAGuy2005 : And that is understandable. But I guess my point was that we're moving away from operating loss leading flights for the sake of a maybe.
96 michman : Answering my own question, it appears this was indeed a temporary cut. Just downloaded the latest DL schedule and there is now a 9:45PM MSP-DTW fligh
97 PSU.DTW.SCE : You sure? Last day for it still appears 1/6, ends when they transition to the post-holiday schedule.
98 alfa164 : Maybe a way to stop people from buying a (cheap) ticket to Flint, when they really intend to get off at (more expensive) Detroit - a common practice
99 Deltal1011man : im going OT to a point, sorry mods. and a football stadium for a team that is under 500. hell I would. If i were Delta I'd be going after a new termin
100 michman : Yes, It's back in there on the downloadable schedule Delta PC application. This update also has the last DC9 flights loaded for 1/6/2014. My understa
101 PSU.DTW.SCE : Oh ok, I see it now since they restored it at 3x per week, but only out to 2/13/14. I was looking on days it doesn't operate. The 9:40pm DTW-MSP oper
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OAG Changes 7/20/2012: B6/DL/UA/WN posted Tue Jul 17 2012 06:36:22 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US posted Tue Jul 10 2012 06:34:20 by enilria
OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4 posted Tue May 29 2012 06:58:00 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/27/2012: AM/DL/US/Y4 posted Wed Apr 25 2012 09:05:10 by enilria
OAG Changes 1/6/2012: AM/CO/DL/UA/US posted Thu Jan 5 2012 06:04:14 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US posted Tue Oct 4 2011 15:35:54 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/8/2013: AA/B6/DL/UA posted Mon Nov 4 2013 05:31:35 by enilria