dcajet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 4 Posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15136 times:
Riding the coat tails of the Sydney flight cancellation, AR and Airbus signed today an agreement by which AR orders 4 A330-200 (in addition to the 4 that AR is getting this year). The 330s will replace some of the 340s and will be delivered in 2015 (two) and 2016 (two). The press release from AR does not specify engines or if it is the HGW version, which AR needs to deploy these planes to Madrid and Barcelona non stop from Bs Aires without penalties.
This is the second order of planes that AR has placed this month, as a few weeks ago, the airline ordered another 20 B737-800 from Boeing, to be delivered in the same timeframe as this batch of 330s.
Good to see AR finally getting some traction after more than 20 very dull years. Enhorabuena Aerolineas!
dcajet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13801 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 3): Does the HGW version of the A330-200 fleet have the legs for the European routes nonstop? Especially coming back, from MAD. In summer there probably are penalties.
The HGW version, is not operational yet, I believe, has the legs to make it from EZE to MAD and BCN without significant penalties. The current versions of the 330, deployed on the route MAD-EZE by Air Europa, oftentimes must make a pit stop on the way to Bs As, generally Salvador de Bahia o GIG. However, the 330 is the ideal chariot for AR's both N. and S America routes, capable of a 10 1/2 hr leg to JFK or a 2 hr shuttle to GRU.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 3): I´m still not convinced cancelling the SYD route is a wise choice, but on the whole, they seem to be getting their act together. Good for them.
Well, lets think of the EZE-SYD route as a prestige flight, but detrimental to the bottom line. On top of that, because of its unique characteristics, it ended up dictating the whole long haul fleet - AR could not justify keeping one type just for SYD and for the time being the 340 is what there is. And the 200 which is the one that can make it from EZE is not what I would call up to date with its cabin furnishings. As the joke in AR goes, 'the 90's called, they want that Biz class complete with a fax machine back"
Additionally, the airline is under the microscope in the national press and in Congress, led by the opposition parties. So, AR's management has little room to maneuver without a single move of theirs being interpreted as "Mrs K" wants so. Which is nonsense - operationally there is no interference. It is in chasing Lan that the government uses AR as the stick with which they will hit 4M. Fortunately, the Courts in Buenos Aires ruled on Lan's side and things seem to have quieted down and Mrs K has found another "bete noire", most likely.
In other words, flying to Sydney was a liability, financially speaking. And AR needs to put the house in order after 20 years of mismanagement. Doubtless that AR will return to SYD one day, but wight the right equipment and in better financial health.
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TK739ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12076 times:
Sooo, I think this pretty much seals the deal about the A345s and I hope I'm wrong but everything points to that direction like I said earlier in the other thread, I wish the best for AR with the new A330s and hopefully they will get their company together and start making money again but having less and less quads in the sky everyday is such a sad and boring thing to say the least, especially such a rare bird like A345
BTW, what engines AR has on their A330s and what engine on the new machines?
txlbased From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7048 times:
small period? i think that two years are anything but small. if they are in the need of the aircraft NOW, its a long time they have to wait for them. But used A330 are hard to find, so they probably had no other choice.
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MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5402 times:
Good to see AR ordering new planes. Twenty new 738's is a big deal for them, they must be looking to expand their domestic / regional routes a lot. And the A330s make a lot of sense for them, I look forward to seeing them at MIA.
Quoting Pacific (Reply 23): To put it into context, the 242t Variant of the A330-200 has a nominal range of 7,250 nm/13,400 km. This is 100nm further than a MD-11ER and only 10nm shy of the Boeing 747-400.
What kind of ETOPS clearance will this version have with AR when it enters service?
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: While I have no clue, they only need ETOPS 120 to make it to Western Europe with no trouble. http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=E...GE-COLOR=navy&
: The reason I asked is that this will have the range, but not the ETOPS clearance presumably, for a resumption of the EZE-AKL-SYD service.