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India Qatar Bilateral Talks In Advanced Stages  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Posted (5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

With AUH taken care, of now it is Qatar's turn.

So Qatar has asked for a mammoth increase in seats from 24,800 to 72,600 and in return there would be various deals on offer including a stake in Spicejet.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news...ot-to-secure-cheaper-lng/1194171/1

With almost 48,000 seats increase (realistically they may just get 25,000 extra or so) it would be interesting how Qatar Airways will expand into India.

Here is Qatar's operation in India as of now. They operate 95 weekly flights to India across 12 destinations.

* DEL: 14 weekly [daily B788 + daily A332]

* COK: 11 weekly A333

* BOM: 7 weekly A340-600

* MAA: 7 weekly A332/A333

* BLR: 7 weekly B788

* CCJ/AMD/GOI/ATQ/HYD/TRV: 7 weekly A321 each

* CCU: daily A320

The Indian carriers barely have a presence in Doha with 9W and IX being the only 2 carriers operating there:

1) Jet Airways:

21 weekly flights with 7 each from BOM, DEL and COK

2) Air India Express:

13 weekly flights:

8 weekly from CCJ; 3 weekly from BOM; 2 weekly from IXE

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With a massive increase it is evident QR will take advantage of it's one world partners and would surely multiple flights to the below as follows:

1) BOM, DEL, HYD, MAA to go upto 21 weekly with wide bodies

2) BLR, to go upto 14 weekly

3) New destinations like LKO, TRZ, CJB, PNQ, IXE to be added.


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

BOM for sure will have a massive increase, last time i went, the A346 was absolutely pack, and I heard that is every day like that, flights to DEL are usually very full as well.

I think Pune can do good, LH served with a all business class plane, so market is there, but from DOH must be easier with an A320. Coimbatore could be great form me aslo  , In some of this markets is where the CSeries (if they finally get them) can fit nicely for QR network.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
The Indian carriers barely have a presence in Doha with 9W and IX being the only 2 carriers operating there:

Big Indian community in Doha but they have options to go India and that traffic is not big yield usually, but QR is looking for the traffic to and from India to the world via DOH, lot of investment, factories, businesses, India economy is very powerful and it will get better and better, so that´s one big target.


User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
New destinations like LKO, TRZ, CJB, PNQ, IXE to be added.

If PNQ becomes a reality - I will definitely consider moving at least partially to OneWorld  


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

If MAA/BLR become double daily, then the additional service should be on an A321 and not A330 due to better economics and capacity management. Same thing for the 3rd daily DEL.

As far as BOM is concerned, maximum double daily wide bodies + daily A321 is required.

TRV and HYD could also handle easily a double daily A321 service if approved.


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Can BOM actually absorb additional traffic?

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting pnqiad (Reply 2):
If PNQ becomes a reality - I will definitely consider moving at least partially to OneWorld

I hear you completely.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
If MAA/BLR become double daily, then the additional service should be on an A321 and not A330 due to better economics and capacity management. Same thing for the 3rd daily DEL.

As far as BOM is concerned, maximum double daily wide bodies + daily A321 is required.

TRV and HYD could also handle easily a double daily A321 service if approved.

Yes QR will definitely go slowly on expansion. It is just about gaining rights, so that a major hurdle is overcome.



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User currently offlineixemctdca From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Finally some good news regarding IXE getting more international traffic.

Any other airlines considering international routes from IXE?



-ixemctdca
User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
With a massive increase it is evident QR will take advantage of it's one world partners and would surely multiple flights to the below as follows:

OneWorld will not need a domestic Indian partner then. QR will cover most of the Indian cities that matter.


User currently offlinemanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

If you are India why would you even talk. Defies any sense of logic or business sense!

User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1045 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Arm twist them into purchasing the AI B777Ws. just like they did with Etihad for the AUH bilateral.   That way AI will be left with B787s and the Airbus fleet.


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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1514 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting ixemctdca (Reply 6):
Finally some good news regarding IXE getting more international traffic

GOI will not give QR IXE.

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 5):
Yes QR will definitely go slowly on expansion. It is just about gaining rights, so that a major hurdle is overcome.

Yes but with so many planes on order and the big expansion plans i´m sure they will use most of the rights.

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 9):
Arm twist them into purchasing the AI B777Ws. just like they did with Etihad for the AUH bilateral.   That way AI will be left with B787s and the Airbus fleet.

I´m sure if AI wants to sell the planes they will have more than one airline interested in buying them.

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 7):
OneWorld will not need a domestic Indian partner then. QR will cover most of the Indian cities that matter.

More or less, but an Indian partner can help a lot also to people like CX, BA, AY because they have flights to DEL and/or BOM and they can connect over there directly to many more indian destinations.


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
More or less, but an Indian partner can help a lot also to people like CX, BA, AY because they have flights to DEL and/or BOM and they can connect over there directly to many more indian destinations.

More and more passengers from North America and various points in Europe will probably get routed through DOH by QR as QR expands it's footprint in North America and Europe. Why would a OneWorld passenger from North/South America or Europe (other than LHR) want to stop in 2 places (LHR/HEL + BOM/DEL) to get to the tier 2 cities that QR reaches unless there are significant savings on a 2 stop itenerary (not to mention the so called tier 3 cities "if you will" that QR wants to expand to..don't take me literally on the tier 3 cities because it is hard to distinguish between tier 2 and tier 3 cities but you get the picture) ? Even CX passengers from North America to those interior non gateway cities will get routed through DOH for the same reason. IMHO, the more QR expands both in India as well as North/South America and Europe the more redundant will a domestic partner be for Oneworld and will to a significant extent be catering to O&D traffic from the major gateways that they are flying to PLUS spillover traffic that could not get seats on QR or the other MEB3 PLUS others who found a cheaper deal on BA/AY/CX flying to the non gateway cities .
I have no factual information for what i have stated above but i see this as plain logic. Once A 380 is allowed by India think this will be even more relevant unless of course QR decides not to go alone on it's agressive foray into India and does a "JetiHad" by roping in some Indian partner and still hubbing out of DOH.

[Edited 2013-11-15 15:34:45]

User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 787 times:

Quoting ixemctdca (Reply 6):

Finally some good news regarding IXE getting more international traffic.

Source?

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 10):
GOI will not give QR IXE.

Why not?


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2252 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 776 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
So Qatar has asked for a mammoth increase in seats from 24,800 to 72,600 and in return there would be various deals on offer including a stake in Spicejet.

While there have been murmurs in the past about QR and Spicejet, the linked article does not mention any linkage (unless I missed it completely?).


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