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Turkish Airlines Adds YUL, Increases YYZ Service  
User currently offlinekamloops From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

I checked and didn't see anyone reporting this news from Turkish Airlines

"Turkish Airlines has announced that it will add YUL to its route map, with thrice-weekly flights to IST beginning June 3rd, 2014.
The carrier is also boosting its YYZ service, shifting from 5 to 6 flights per week beginning March 30, 2014.
Fares and YR surcharges will be the same for both Canadian gateways.

TK continues its ambitious growth path – the carrier already flies to more destinations worldwide than any other airline – 239 cities in 105 countries... and counting."

URL: http://www.openjaw.com/stories/story...-to-add-yul-increase-yyz-frequency

I wonder if Vancouver would ever be in their sights?

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User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Yay!!!!

I hope they offer Comfort Class from YUL. And I hope they offer a shuttle bus service to YOW like LX/LH/AF/KL.


User currently offlinea380787 From Canada, joined Jul 2013, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

TK completely showing EK/EY/QR the middle finger by having the same number of Canadian frequencies as the Big 3 combined

I wonder if something like IST-YVR is too long-n-thin to be profitable with today's planes ?


User currently offlinekamloops From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):

I wonder if something like IST-YVR is too long-n-thin to be profitable with today's planes ?

I think there is a chance, since EK is doing SEA-DXB, I think TK could offer good connections to India.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Yes revised bilateral from a few months back allows increase in weekly services between Turkey and Canada.

YUL launch and YYZ increase was discussed further in the Turkish Av thread.
Turkish Aviation November 2013 (by TK787 Oct 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinemodesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8394 times:

Quoting kamloops (Thread starter):
I checked and didn't see anyone reporting this news from Turkish Airlines

Even if it was previously discussed, I'm glad you started its own thread now. Few people have the time and patience to search for a discussion that's buried in an obscure thread from months ago.

It's great to see TK continue its North America expansion. With SFO's Star dominance, I wonder how long before ISTSFO is announced...


User currently onlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

IST-BOS is already coming, and the next US destination is rumored to be SEA. Of course, SFO, DTW, MIA and DFW can't be too far behind.

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2253 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Looks like me and ASA had the frequency for YUL and the upgauge for YYZ right on the money !

Turkish Aviation October 2013 (by TK787 Sep 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5883605&searchid=5910138&s=turkish+October+2013#ID5910138

Replies 91 & 94.

Just like Hannibal says in the A-Team..."I love it when a plan comes together ! "

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3211 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Is it safe to assume this service will be done by their new 77Ws?

tortugamon


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1735 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):
Is it safe to assume this service will be done by their new 77Ws?

tortugamon

A330 to YUL.


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1153 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7782 times:
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Congratulations TK you have come a long way from your inaugural flights to YYZ with the A340s!! Always a pleasure to see a TK 77W come in to land at YYZ

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
TK completely showing EK/EY/QR the middle finger by having the same number of Canadian frequencies as the Big 3 combined

With Egyptair, Ethiopian and most recently Saudia operating from YYZ, I wonder how much North African traffic EK and EY are losing, and now with TK going almost daily, they must be getting a lot of full planes on the YYZ-IST route and beyond...

Besides KLM is always aggressively advertising for flight to Dubai...currently have flights for CAD 986...Insane!

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):

Is it safe to assume this service will be done by their new 77Ws?
http://airlineroute.net/2013/11/06/tk-yyzyul-s14/

It's with the A330s


User currently offlinea380787 From Canada, joined Jul 2013, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
With Egyptair, Ethiopian and most recently Saudia operating from YYZ, I wonder how much North African traffic EK and EY are losing, and now with TK going almost daily, they must be getting a lot of full planes on the YYZ-IST route and beyond...

EK being a bully and refusing to launch 6x daily service. Now they're paying the price by having Star carriers undercut them left and right.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
and now with TK going almost daily, they must be getting a lot of full planes on the YYZ-IST route and beyond...

In this Turkish news item on a TK 77W YYZ-IST that made a medical diversion to YQX a couple of weeks ago, it says there were 280 passengers, or roughly an 83% load factor.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=121654

They should have used a stock photo of a 777 rather than a 737 to illustrate that item. I also wonder whether TK has put Concorde back into service, reference the 1-hour flight time YYZ-YQX. Block time on that 1,084 nm sector would be around 2.5 hrs.


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 887 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
it says there were 280 passengers, or roughly an 83% load factor.

Is that good or bad for mid-November?

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
It's with the A330s
Quoting ytz (Reply 1):
I hope they offer Comfort Class from YUL.

Yep. I suppose that rules out Comfort Class, though I'm hoping they'll surprise us.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 11):
EK being a bully and refusing to launch 6x daily service.

Ah, this again. EK's biggest mistake was...its failure to hire a fortune teller during the negotiations, years before EY came into existence. That's why it didn't object to a clause limiting any carrier to 3 weekly frequencies, with the other government having a veto over 4, 5 and 6.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
TK completely showing EK/EY/QR the middle finger by having the same number of Canadian frequencies as the Big 3 combined

TK gives them the finger in Canada; they give TK the finger in South Asia. Or maybe none of them really give a damn about each other on a route-by-route basis.


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 11):
EK being a bully and refusing to launch 6x daily service. Now they're paying the price by having Star carriers undercut them left and right.

Wait. EK is being a bully because they didn't fight a (likely) Canadian inserted clause that limited them to 3X per week?

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 13):
Yep. I suppose that rules out Comfort Class, though I'm hoping they'll surprise us.

Surprised about this. I would think with the Middle Eastern market in YOW and YUL, that they might have a good market for CC from YUL. I wonder if it's simply that they are limited by the number of airplanes. Love TK. But can't say that the 330s are all that comfy, when compared to the 77W. And that sucks when flight time to YUL is only 40 mins less than the flight to YYZ.


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 887 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 14):
Surprised about this. I would think with the Middle Eastern market in YOW and YUL, that they might have a good market for CC from YUL. I wonder if it's simply that they are limited by the number of airplanes. Love TK. But can't say that the 330s are all that comfy, when compared to the 77W. And that sucks when flight time to YUL is only 40 mins less than the flight to YYZ.

Last I heard, Comfort Class was going to be discontinued completely. On the other hand, the same report said that they would be making Y more comfortable....whatever that means. Haven't seen anything tangible from TK itself, so here's hoping.

If they put the 77W on the route, it may have Comfort Class. But the 77W fleet is stretched - they've even leased 9W 777s for some routes. And I don't know if the 330s will get Y+. Granted, I haven't been following it closely.


User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Are the TK A330-300 less comfortable than the 777-300s?

User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

Quoting flyyul (Reply 16):
Are the TK A330-300 less comfortable than the 777-300s?

Just look at Seatguru. I'd say yes. And I have always found a notable difference switching from a TK 77W at IST to a 332 for a BOM flight. Now, I usually don't mind the 332 for a 6 hour flight. But for a 10 hour flight? Not so sure.

Then again, I suppose we should be grateful that this isn't an AC 77H to IST!


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1153 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7203 times:
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Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
Congratulations TK you have come a long way from your inaugural flights to YYZ with the A340s!! Always a pleasure to see a TK 77W come in to land at YYZ

I knew I had a pic of the inaugural flight of TK 17 on Jul 11, 2009  http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/82...gin-flights-to-toronto-canada.html



User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
Looks like me and ASA had the frequency for YUL and the upgauge for YYZ right on the money !

Yup ... "Great minds think alike!" 

Congrats on TK's Canada expansion ... my brother in YOW will be very happy!


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

TK giving EK the finger?

To be honest, Canada doesn't rank that high on any airline's list. That's why most airlines remove first class, etc on flights to Canada. It's a low yielding and relatively small market. EK is more interested in higher yield US routes, and they currently fly to SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, JFK, SEA, IAD and BOS (soon) - I doubt EK is losing any sleep over daily flights to YYZ or YUL. In fact, it's the Canadian consumer who is paying higher prices in order to subsidise a failing airline (AC).

EK has just posted record profits for H1 2013, has received its 38th A380, is the largest operator of the 777 and is doing extremely well in connecting continents (yields, load factors, etc). EK sponsors Arsenal, is the first private company to be named on London's tube map and is a major brand not just in the transport industry, but globally (rugby in Australia, tennis in USA).

This Canadian superiority complex is getting very old; it's time to embrace the 21st century and competition. BA is surviving and in fact posted excellent profits despite EK's aggressive strategy in the UK. If AC can't stand up against competition, let it die.



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 17):
Just look at Seatguru. I'd say yes

333 is as comfortable as 77C, or even more comfortable for C passengers.
332 is a older and therefore the product not as good as 333 or 77C, but still comfortable. I usually fly the 332 on routes such as KIX and it is not that bad.



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1153 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6644 times:
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Quoting Marco (Reply 20):
To be honest, Canada doesn't rank that high on any airline's list.

Really, then why would Ethiopian who also increased frequencies, Egyptair and Saudia show an interest in flying to Toronto? And don't forget Aer Lingus from summer 2014. Also Turkish is getting increased frequencies, going to double the amount of flights in five years. Oh and wait, PIA is going to four times weekly now and while I'm at it Jet Airways now flies A333s instead of A332s. So there, hopefully that gives you an idea how Canada is quite high on most airline's lists.

Quoting Marco (Reply 20):
I doubt EK is losing any sleep over daily flights to YYZ or YUL.

In that case they might as well just pull out of YYZ  ....or it won't be long with all these new flights and frequencies of the other carriers taking traffic, they would see the loads drop and actually pull out themselves....

They could learn from Etihad over not losing any sleep. I've seen Etihad go full on all flights in the past three years I have been going with them, besides their service is consistent and not hit and miss like Emirates.


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6585 times:

All the carriers you mentioned serve the new immigrant populations of Canada, i.e. low yielding VFR traffic (non-priority routes). If you think Canada is a priority market and that makes you happy, by all means continue believing that.

As to your second comment, it's quite sad that a country such as Canada, known for its diplomacy and reasonableness, has embarked on a juvenile mission and is resorting to tit for tat tactics. Much to your disappointment, EK is doing well to YYZ and will likely continue flying there. The Canadian consumer, however, will miss out on the opportunity of having a daily flight to Dubai, which is probably one of the most well connected cities in the world. It says more about Toronto rather than Dubai.

In the meantime, the rest of the world (Australasia, South America, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, the subcontinent and Asia) will have the luxury of travelling on EK, with multiple daily frequencies, access to EK lounges (growing number worldwide) and easy access to the financial, entertainment, tourist, aviation and conference hub of the Middle East!

Have fun flying Air Canada!



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1153 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6469 times:
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Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
All the carriers you mentioned serve the new immigrant populations of Canada, i.e. low yielding VFR traffic (non-priority routes).

I don't think you know that the breakdown of passengers on Emirates are nothing but the new Immigrant populations of Canada and the flights have nothing but people from the Indian subcontinent...take them all out and the big whale will be flying empty back to Dubai.

It's high time people from the Indian subcontinent actually flew back with their own airline carriers, with the exception of Biman and Sri Lankan which don't fly here but then they could always take Air Canada to London and connect from there.

So you say low yielding VFR traffic a.k.a Indian subcontinent folk, the same folk that are used as cheap labour in Dubai that cause EK to have those double and triple dailies to fly them back and forth. Just pathetic the way the poor masses are treated there, at least in Canada you have your dignity no matter what you do!!

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
As to your second comment, it's quite sad that a country such as Canada, known for its diplomacy and reasonableness, has embarked on a juvenile mission and is resorting to tit for tat tactics

It was the UAE after all who resorted to suddenly have visas for Canadians, when it was purely Visa on arrival...

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
The Canadian consumer, however, will miss out on the opportunity of having a daily flight to Dubai, which is probably one of the most well connected cities in the world. It says more about Toronto rather than Dubai.

Toronto serves as a major hub for connecting traffic who do not wish to fly via the US...Go figure!!

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
Have fun flying Air Canada!

I for one am proud to fly on Air Canada, and whenever I have the opportunity I definitely do!!


25 Marco : You simply confirmed my point - that Canada is essentially a VFR market with a few primary business routes (LHR, NYC, LAX, FRA, etc) and therefore li
26 Fly2yyz : Ok obviously you get a hard on talking about DXB and the UAE. And you know what there has been exponential growth over the last couple of years and g
27 Post contains images ElPistolero : Lets not turn this into a UAE-Canada thread. I m pretty sure this line of thought doesn't exist outside of North Korea. You're talking about airlines
28 yowza : We've discussed the Canadian government's approach to handing out frequencies to DEATH on this board. There's no point going through it yet again. Whe
29 Post contains links thenoflyzone : YUL will launch with the A333, not the A332. As mentioned, the A333 is newer and with a more recent product than the A332. Failing? I beg to differ !
30 YULWinterSkies : That makes sense, considering that Newfoundland is 1.5 hours ahead of YYZ. 2.5-1.5 = 1. While Canada is predominantly a VFR market, IST, DXB and such
31 a380787 : Canada didn't limit them to 3x. The bilateral was 6x weekly, but they initially refused and did all the stupid things like adding a visa fee or banni
32 ytz : Amen. But as a TK fan, and more broadly as a fan of progress, I am sorely disappointed that TK still hasn't been given enough slots to go daily in
33 flightsimboy : I'm one. The point here was the way the labour force work is treated, the conditions under which they live and after it was brought to the world by m
34 a380787 : That's BA's problem for failing to capture F traffic. LH and CX both send F planes to Canada, among others. LH just launched MUC-YYZ with 3-class F.
35 flightsimboy : Wow you work in the CF? And you have such views as mentioned above. Classic!!
36 ytz : Moreover, you'll find most of the CF members I worked with were quite happy taking EK or EY while transiting through to theatre. Just because we are
37 Airontario : Yawn....can we get back to the discussion about Turkish Airways starting a route to YUL.
38 irishayes : I just recently did it from IST to ORD and it was horrendous. I would have happily paid a few hundred extra for Y Comfort Are you seriously comparing
39 Post contains images ASA : haha ... yeah, I'll reset my starting point in this thread from my own message onwards please stay on the topic guys ... TK ... and YUL / YYZ / Y**
40 a380787 : Australia doesn't border any country, so flying is a must, while YVR-SEA and YYZ-BUF are well connected by land. There's also the landside leakage of
41 flightsimboy : I was referring to your rant on Canada not providing dignity to immigrants and that your family and friends from India and the Gulf suggesting Austra
42 ytz : Hey. I think my loyalty is proven everyday when I put on my uniform and go to work. What have you done for Canada lately? I am incredibly proud to be
43 ytz : I would bet money that if LH had more long haul two class birds, they'd be sending some of those our way. As it is, LH 3-class setup on the vast majo
44 ytz : The entire reason, TK is my favourite long haul to India is because of Comfort Class. CC on the YYZ-IST leg makes up for the more cramped 332 leg to
45 upwardfacing : BA does offer F on one of their daily LHR-YYZ flights. They offer F to YVR as well, but not to YUL or YYC. Likely more of a reflection of UK (and beyo
46 ytz : It takes two to tango though. Either our market economics are such that we aren't attracting premium tourists and business travellers. Or we aren't g
47 MANYUL : BA fly to 4 destinations in Canada from the UK. YVR and YYZ both have F class service...
48 Viscount724 : Are you aware that YVR has more frequency to China than any other city in North America?
49 Viscount724 : TK started YYZ-IST in July 2009 with 3 x week. Increased to 5 x week in October 2012. Next summer there will be 16 nonstops a week from Canada to IST
50 Viscount724 : AC and CP had the right idea in the 1980s when they dropped F class and introduced high quality J class products, much better than almost all their c
51 flightsimboy : So does one have to put on a CF uniform to prove loyalty to Canada ...Interesting. The same thing what the other millions of non-uniformed CF people
52 ElPistolero : Do "our" (former) national carriers owe us anything? No. Do they do us any favours? No. So why should 'we' help them or AC? They are focused on what
53 Post contains links and images ElPistolero : The only reason it came to mind is because of the coverage in the Canadian press when Toronto overtook Chicago as the 4th biggest city in North Ameri
54 Viscount724 : Actually closer to 12 million. Probably many from Mexico as the Chicago area has a large Latino community (about 28% of the population). I expect mos
55 thenoflyzone : 17 actually. Let's not forget TS with summer seasonal YYZ-YUL-IST once a week. Thenoflyzone
56 ytz : Isn't it awesome when you're at the bottom of the pack and you move up to second last? That's exactly how I feel when people crow about how this is p
57 upwardfacing : AC? If you mean TK, then YYZ is almost there, YUL may be less of a priority. With regard to your concern about international F class demand in Canada,
58 thenoflyzone : Australians get on average 2 times more vacation days than Canadians, and this right off the bat on your first year of work.... 4 weeks payed vs 2 we
59 Marco : Fine display of good manners...what happened to the Canadian values of liberal democracy, respect for diversity and freedom of speech? Or is it when
60 SA7700 : As this thread has been steered into an off-topic debate about Air Canada product & services, general Canadian immigration and not Turkish Airline
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