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User currently offlineNWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 155 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

Some new service (LAS/PLS/NAS/JAX/LAX), extension of BOS/CUN through the sumer:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-expands-boston-160000557.html

Of course the article doesn't mention that we have lost BOS-YYZ and will soon lose BOS-ORF and BOS-MEM.

Also, interesting that DL's BOS-CDG is showing upguaged to 767 from 757 for Su14.

Nice to see DL flexing its muscle. Hopefully Terminal A can be DL only once UA and AS are out next year.

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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17213 times:

Very good news indeed. Hopefully DL will grow more cities out of BOS with the US/AA merger looming.

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
Hopefully Terminal A can be DL only once UA and AS are out next year.

I thought UA was on another concourse in BOS unless these are the PMCO gates? Any word where AS is moving too?



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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17121 times:

Yes he is referring to the PMCO gates. Hopefully they will return to DL. There are 4 of them.

User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17099 times:
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What's the story with the thrice weekly 738 service to LAS? Is that just to take up slack in that fleet? I recognize that there is actually a good amount of business travel to LAS, but less than daily service isn't going to be particularly attractive to that crowd. Where did that route come from?

FYI when I was a BOS based UA flight attendant in 1999, I remember seeing DL 763s leaving for LAS all the time. This was back when they had biz elite service on the 763 to LAX. Oh how times have changed!


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 975 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17030 times:

How many daily flights does that make? Delta's marketshare (mainline) was about 11% in July.

There are 21 gates in Terminal A. Isn't that too many for DL's market share?

By comparison, the new AA with a projected market share of 25% will operate out of 26 gates (after the divesture).

In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16543 times:

Quoting TW870 (Reply 3):
I recognize that there is actually a good amount of business travel to LAS, but less than daily service isn't going to be particularly attractive to that crowd.

Given that a lot of business traffic to LAS is related to conventions and that conventions are more likely to start and end on some days than on others, LAS might be the rare market where this makes sense. I left LAS last night after a business trip and the place was a ghost town. I don't think I saw a single DL flight leave more than half full. My 738 to MEM had 6 in F and about 40 in back.



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3010 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16416 times:

When DL was big in the 80's, they shared Terminal C with WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW and UA. C was often called the "main" terminal then. L 10's to points all over.

If I recall, DL had ns mainline flights to:

MIA
FLL
TPA
PBI
MCO
ATL
RDU
BWI
DCA
LGA
PWM
BGR
BDL
CVG
YUL
BDA
PHL

After the merger with WA. SLC as well.

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:06:43]

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:07:28]


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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16326 times:

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
and will soon lose BOS-ORF

Might B6 or WN pick up this route?

For WN, the ORF-BWI schedule is reduced, the very short-haul nature not helpful, and likely a lot of connection feed to New England. ORF-ATL adequately covers south now, and ORF-MDW is there for west. Rather than fly to BWI for connection to New England, it could capture better with a nonstop up to BOS.

B6 has the BOS hub/focus city.

One would think either would try to get in on the route before the other one does. FL used to fly PHF-BOS as well not too long ago, so BOS now loses nonstop to both airports.

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:33:46]

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16172 times:

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
will soon lose BOS-ORF

The BOS-ORF flights look like they are being moved to BOS-RIC. I suppose DL senses more business travel in that market, although they'll now be competing against B6 instead of having BOS-ORF to themselves.



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User currently offlineipodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15664 times:

Did some dummy bookings the week of July 6th for DL in BOS, and came up with 458 Domestic weeklies departures, and 38 International weekly departures.
In total: 496 flights/week (departures), or 62,011 seats available (departure only)

So in comparison to the other legacies for the same week
DL 496 62,011
UA 335 41,434
US 495 53,552
AA 211 33,218



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15210 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.

Indeed however if DL has a need for the gates I really don't see Massport not wanting them to expand. Airlines aren't exacly clamoring for those gates. Massport had a heck of a time getting airlines to move to A to begin with, which is why WN ended up at terminal E. Terminal A is not a desirable terminal at BOS for anyone but Delta.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 681 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15098 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 6):

Definitely missing DFW - which was a hub at the time. Check departedflights.com - there are timetables from the 80's and 90's.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
Terminal A is not a desirable terminal at BOS for anyone but Delta.

I'm sure it works out fine for AS. They could bump NK into there at some point as well if space was needed.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3171 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Just curious why Terminal A isn't desirable by other airlines.

BOS isn't a very nice airport...1970s terminals with low ceilings abound. Paint, new lighting, and new bathrooms aside, Terminal A is the only modern facility at the airport. That and the 1990s US Shuttle extension are bright spots in an airport that would generally be classified (by architecture) as 70s/80s/90s chic.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14716 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
I'm sure it works out fine for AS. They could bump NK into there at some point as well if space was needed.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):
Just curious why Terminal A isn't desirable by other airlines.

As I understand it it is the most expensive terminal at BOS, probably because it is also the newest. Not exactly a place for LCC's.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):
BOS isn't a very nice airport...1970s terminals with low ceilings abound.

Yes indeed, if this was 1995! Besides, you just described 90% of airport terminals in the US 
About the only areas in all of Logan that meet your description are the baggage claim area for terminals B and C as well as the checkin area for terminals B. Airside, they are all fairly modern. Terminal E is just as spacious and bright as terminal A, and so is terminal C.


User currently offlinecloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14632 times:

Does DL really need more gates? I never see all the gates they have now used, unless this is about a place to store the planes overnight. As for why move UA out - I think it is less giving Delta it's own terminal as much as having one terminal for Sky Team, one for Star, and one for One World.

Terminal A might be nice and modern, but it has a few drawbacks. You have that long tunnel most passengers have to go through; poorly planned restrooms; long jet bridges; and not enough baggage conveyors to start. The Security checkpoint is also too crowded - they need a better solution there for the number of people they handle.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.

Yet the agreement in bankruptcy was to return only nine gates to Massport - six mainline gates and three parking spots in the (now obsolete) RJ pad. Given that no one seems to want the RJ parking spots (CO had taken one of the three available) and that two more gates were still available in addition to the four that CO had taken, I don't see anyone knocking on the door to come into Terminal A.


User currently offlineestabulla From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14338 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):

Terminal E is new (at least the check-in area). Terminal C underwent renovations to allow a common TSA area.



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13916 times:
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Hopefully DL will bring back their Florida flights... RSW, TPA, FLL etc. They would have no trouble using those extra 4 CO gates.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 9):
DL 496 62,011
UA 335 41,434
US 495 53,552
AA 211 33,218

AA+US will be the largest legacy? How does that compare to B6?


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7342 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13594 times:

Remember about a month ago that B6 announced BOS-DTW service starting in March 2014......

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
AA+US will be the largest legacy? How does that compare to B6?

You can use this site:
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1
Looks like B6 is around 28% market share.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12606 times:

Terminal A lease rates are much higher than other terminals so no airlines wants to fork out the cash. I wish Massport would allow some E carriers to leave. That place is busting at seems in summer, only to get busier this summer. No plans are in the works for expanded Terminal E.

User currently onlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 days ago) and read 12335 times:

I'd like to see them give BOS-PIT another go. Their initial effort with lousy CRJ service 3x daily was a failure from the start. B6 flies I think 2 or 3x daily with E90s, and US has 5x daily (3 E70s, 2 CRJs). With that service, did DL think they could compete against those two carriers with just 3x CRJs?

With AA and US merging, I wonder what equipment they'll use on PIT-BOS, a mix of E70s and perhaps an A319 or two thrown in? That would be sweet, but I'd be happy if AA Eagle had a mix of Republic E70/E75 equipment on there tho...

If DL should give that route another go, CRJ's aren't going to do squat, to put it bluntly...



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 681 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 days ago) and read 12271 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
Hopefully DL will bring back their Florida flights... RSW, TPA, FLL etc.

They are saving those for a rainy day .... the rainy day that B6 starts BOS-ATL.


User currently offlineupwardfacing From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Apr 2013, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12137 times:

I am curious as to the reasoning behind this expansion, as it is not one of their transfer hubs, and is not New York or Los Angeles either.

25 MIflyer12 : BOS is the fifth-busiest U.S. airport for domestic O&D traffic, behind DEN and ahead of SFO. There's plenty of demand to lots of places.
26 CIDFlyer : I flew on DL to BOS this past summer and was quite impressed with the operation they had there. Lots of DL planes going to many different places. Almo
27 jetblue1058 : No just no, Support our LCC on the route with incredibly much better service, let alone always a mainline. PIT-BOS. It's 4 daily on the 190. Not 2-3
28 Post contains links tlecam : "We continue to see a growing demand in Boston and increased flights next year will give our customers more direct service at more convenient times,"
29 bobnwa : Please explain what a 'transfer hub" is and why Delta does not meet the defination in BOS?
30 Post contains images airbazar : Ha! There's a common misconception that because BOS is not catagorized as a hub by any airline, that connections don't take place here. Every allianc
31 ScottB : Terminal A actually has 18 contact gates (8 at the main building and 10 at the satellite) and 7 RJ positions. The A330's to AMS aren't at the satelli
32 Post contains links upwardfacing : OK, edit to 'major transfer hub'. In any case, BOS is not listed as a hub (of any kind) in Delta's current press releases. Actually neither is LAX. h
33 jcarv : Delta does not ground handle any foreign carriers currently. There is talks that Air France May go back to Delta ground handling. Delta handled Air Fr
34 JetBlueCLT : No, Steeler83 is right. JetBlue operates 3 daily flights to PIT. 4 Daily on the peak days and two daily on Saturday and sometimes Wednesdays. Saturda
35 bobnwa : Delta is using is partially using its expanded Boston schedule to feed its international flights to LHR,AMS, and CDG whether it is a hub or not.
36 adamh8297 : Always surprised they don't try to feed BOS-BDA service. Its a bit too early (8:00am) of a departure from BOS as scheduled right now. People have the
37 Post contains images PITrules : Use it or lose it (the low fares), as we've seen with PIT-JFK.
38 Flytravel : The problem is that JetBlue doesn't offer a good schedule for those from the PIT side, with the first flight arriving BOS at 10:22am. US' flight gets
39 Post contains links tlecam : Here is a fairly indepth article from CAPA on the Delta expansion in BOS. I just discovered this website, so I don't know how reputable it is - would
40 apodino : This was actually the original plan for Terminal A in BOS when it first opened. It was supposed to house all the SkyTeam airlines. 9-11 changed those
41 airbazar : With the AA/US and UA/CO merger and consolidation into terminal B, it's my opinion that Massport needs to start to seriously consider airside bus tra
42 apodino : E would be a very tricky one logistically for an airside bus as all the gates are on the third level, and pax departing from any gate other than the
43 airbazar : You're right. What about the old terminal D? With C and E being connected airside in the near term, any space between the 2 terminals, should be doab
44 bluefltspecial : Maybe someone remembers this too... When Delta wanted to build Term A in BOS they wanted to have their own FIS but Massport said no since Term E wasn'
45 by738 : Could a summer only BOS-GLA work with a mainline carrier such as DL ?
46 adamh8297 : BOS-GLA traffic has taken a hit in recent years though it wouldn't surprise me if DL tried a seasonal point-to-point Transatlantic route someday espe
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : The BOS-LGA shuttle on DL will also be getting an upgauge shortly..
48 apodino : Interestingly enough, this was a NW route back in the 90's that they flew with a DC-10. I am not sure the O and D is there on either end, even to fil
49 bobnwa : If Delta wanted to fly to Scotland then I believe Edinburgh would be a better choice
50 adamh8297 : Correct - EDI is only 39 miles away from Glasgow city center. Also both Edinburgh and Glasgow combined would put it slightly ahead of CPH.
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : If they can only makde CPH work seasonally from JFK IDK how we'd get to BOS-CPH.
52 adamh8297 : I don't think it would work either. BOS is begging for TLV but no one is biting. LY would use the 787 for MIA before BOS. TK's future presence is a b
53 DeltaMD90 : I just don't see DL expanding their BOS TATL ops anytime soon. Unless something changes, I don't see anything more than BOS-CDG/AMS/LHR. Too bad, they
54 HVNandrew : From a TATL standpoint, they've never been stronger. Previously DL's only foray into the TATL market ex-BOS was a one off and very short lived flight
55 MIflyer12 : I don't see anyone else has responded to you directly. CAPA analysis varies. One idea advanced here, increasing flights into BOS to feed the Virgin A
56 nickofatlanta : Good to see the new second daily BOS-LAX flight now allows for connections to/from the LAX-SYD flight.
57 jcarv : They are changing the Shuttle aircraft again? What will it be now?
58 DeltaMD90 : Without double checking the numbers, I would agree, but B6 has been a huge game changer Interesting. I mainly meant I don't see them starting some of
59 airbazar : Since CBP is funded by the Feds and not Massport, I doubt that in these times of sequester, etc, they would be willing to expand BOS operations.
60 FlyASAGuy2005 : Mainline. I'll let you guess the equipment type.
61 MesaFlyGuy : a319s coming back?
62 tlecam : Thanks! Very helpful. I fly the shuttle regularly - I will be interested to see what they do here. TATL has seen slow growth from the pmNW flights to
63 jcarv : I would guess B717s for sure. Perfect, no?
64 MesaFlyGuy : I thought the 717s were to help replacing the 50-seaters. Since there are very little CRJ-200s at LGA there would be no point in the 717s being there
65 alfa164 : I am thinking 717's. The 717's were sought to replace the larger RJ's; then the larger RJ's will be deployed to replace the 50-seaters. Makes sense.
66 by738 : They now have so much competition now with ORD, IAD, YYZ , PHL and EWR, I would have thought GLA might be a more interesting choice, esp with GLA/BOS
67 FlyASAGuy2005 : Exactly right. Very common internet misconception. The 717s are not direct CR2 replacements. So just because there weren't many CR2s at LGA doesn't m
68 Post contains images MesaFlyGuy : Thanks! I get it the way you said it. I'm excited to see the 717s coming to LGA! I'm thinking they'll be quieter in F with the engines all the way in
69 FlyASAGuy2005 : What i've yet to figure out yet is if the 321s is for growth. By my math, it seems so (could be wrong).
70 tu154 : Which is probably the last time you were in BOS, the 1970's.............[Edited 2013-11-24 19:38:20]
71 roberts975 : This is the first that any of us have heard that AS is moving out of terminal A. Is this AS move actually confirmed? From my own experience on their
72 VS11 : That's not a terribly far-fetched idea for a seasonal flight. The flight could be used in packages marketed by Virgin Holidays. I think VS operated s
73 jcarv : I think it is an assumption but an accurate one at that. Delta is set to stop ground handling AS flights in Spring '14 so a move is assumed once a ne
74 bluefltspecial : As much as I would love to see the 717 on the Shuttle I highly doubt it will happen. With flights during the week operating at half capacity (or ofte
75 apodino : That timeframe would coincide with the terminal B construction completion and the move of UA to Terminal B. I have a feeling there will be more than
76 DTWPurserBoy : I am happy to see such growth in BOS for DL. Moving the flights from ORF to RIC makes since there is a lot of traffic that originates out of there. Bu
77 bobnwa : If you are referring to TATL, then DL is much stronger today then it was ever was in the past.
78 DeltaMD90 : I meant overall. I'm not too familiar with the history of DL at BOS but weren't they a lot bigger overall before B6 rolled in?
79 BDL757 : We've been told in various employee meetings and such that the 717s will begin operating LGA-BOS-LGA in the 1st quarter of 2014. Although, as you poi
80 HVNandrew : Well, it depends on what you're looking at. In terms of number of flights per day, DL used to be significantly larger in BOS - the BEx operation was
81 NWBOS : We have also been told that the plan is currently to move out of the Marine Air Terminal in LGA (this idea has been floated around a lot over the pas
82 tlecam : I have heard anecdotally several times now that Delta would like all of Terminal A. Several of the legacies were bigger at Logan before B6 rolled in a
83 airbazar : I wouldn't be so sure. DL had a ton of 757 and 767 domestic flights from BOS back them. But analysing the growth over hte last 10 years is very decei
84 jfklganyc : I'm there all the time. Tell me about the US/AA checkin area/parking garage structure that looks like a cement tomb. The cool Terminal C concourses..
85 bjorn14 : Any room at BOS for an established entrant with say 20 flights a day?
86 FlyASAGuy2005 : This isn't an assumption on my part. It's a fact. They're slated to start in April.
87 adamh8297 : This scenario happened a couple years ago with WN moving in and pretty much establishing themselves with mostly midwestern destinations.
88 Post contains images airbazar : Yes, at terminal A but who would that be? Right, that's about the worst part of BOS as some of us pointed out. However the parking garage was newly r
89 DTWPurserBoy : Referring to DL's services from LGA-BOS and DCA-LGA are not really "shuttles" per se. Eastern's concept of the shuttle meant no reservations, no seat
90 roberts975 : I will continue to feel that a piece of DL is missing in BOS until the direct Florida routes are resurrected: FLL, TPA, RSW and PBI. The argument that
91 bobnwa : Are you saying tha the costs to Delta if it flew non-stop BOS-TPA/FLL/RSW/PBI would be the same as via ATL? I believe the costs non stop are greater
92 adamh8297 : DL's CASM is obviously higher than B6's. However, they probably get a decent RASM on BOS-ATL O+D allowing them throw a few cheap fare buckets on BOS-
93 bluefltspecial : Awesome to know! I just would have assumed the schedules would have been loaded by now. Do you know when they plan to load to schedules for those fli
94 apodino : BOS only temporarily lost the terminal but didn't lose on growth because the old terminal A only had 14 gates, where the new terminal has 22 or so ga
95 FlyASAGuy2005 : *Hard* final schedules usually aren't loaded until about 2-3 months out at best for domestic flights.
96 PSU.DTW.SCE : Exactly, considering they are still playing around with the final DC-9 flights a month out, and the 717 flying for Jan/Feb.
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