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User currently offlinestackhouse007 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 416 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 16145 times:
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Yahoo states that this plane plummeted in mid air before making an emergency landing at RDU? The pilot said on the loud speaker, "We're going down!"... Anyone have more information? Seems a little strange.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/rdu-boun...-plane-plummets-mid-225119594.html


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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 16007 times:

Sounds like a poor choice of words or phraseology by the pilot for a pressurization problem that was misinterpreted by the "expert frequent flyer"
No mention of the masks dropping so it looks like the pilot handled the problem perfectly, so the cabin never gained to 14K feet.
They missed crashing into the school and orphanage and landed at the destination airport to boot.

Okie


User currently offlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 889 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15235 times:

Yea, no way she misheard the PA.   

"We're going down........to a lower altitude due to a pressurization issue"



...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

Wow! What an amazing interview - I think we are witnessing the birth of a lawsuit!  


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User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

Incredible. This, folks, is what the airline industry is up against. A media that will not stop short of sensationalizing anything commercial aviation related that they can get their hands on.
It's really nauseating, unfair and completely uncalled for. Maybe next time it will be something more interesting, like an exploding toilet or a beverage cart gone wild.


User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13134 times:
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Sensational news and sex sells ads
Ads sell Discontent
Discontent sells things you didn't know you needed or wanted

Welcome to our brave new world. We're all acting for the common good of humanity of course.

I killed my televisión 11 years ago.

It's amazing anyone is brave enough to fly on an airplane at all.



Quiero una vida simple en Mexico. Nada mas.
User currently offlinebcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12964 times:

Some of the characterizations made in the story are very over the top. Also --- I don't really buy the "they fixed the plane in 1 hour and it flew on to Baltimore. Looks to me like they canceled the leg of that flight Tuesday night.

That being said, FlightAware does indicate that they did indeed experience a 9,900 FPM rate of decent from 32,500 to 17,000. Even as an experienced flier, that sure as hell would be enough to scare the crap out of me... regardless of what was said over the PA.

bcoz


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12876 times:

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 5):
It's amazing anyone is brave enough to fly on an airplane at all.

You forget that stupid and uninformed people are not brave - just stupid or uninformed. You have to understand the real dangers to be brave....

Thus, I think your statement should be along the line of: It's amazing so many stupid and uninformed people are willing to fly on an airplane at all.

Which is OK, as I fly on jet aircraft....  


Have a great day,


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12787 times:

WOW, I agree I can see the lawsuit coming.

I also like that hard hitting news about all of the trouble with WN's 700's

Bird Strike - Yeah, Dang WN for hitting the poor birdy with their big bad airplane

Hard Landing - Pilot Error


User currently offlinetrnswrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12684 times:

Quoting barney captain (Reply 2):
Yea, no way she misheard the PA.

"We're going down........to a lower altitude due to a pressurization issue"

My thoughts EXACTLY. First thing I said to my wife when we were watching this lady on the news is yeah im sure the pilot keyed up on the mic and shouted nothing more than "Were going down". This lady is full of crap and looking to get nothing more than money out of the experience. Cant wait to find out what the pilot REALLY said!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

The Media always wants to hear Dramatic Aviation news & when they dont get it, they create it  


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User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 752 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
The Media always wants to hear Dramatic Aviation news & when they dont get it, they create it

Sad, yet true.

If they don't have video, they try to find someone who does. And when there's no video at all, the either create it or simulate it.

And the big news agencies wonder why their users or viewer numbers are going down.



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User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11924 times:



Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 3):
Wow! What an amazing interview - I think we are witnessing the birth of a lawsuit!

It's a beautiful thing, really. One of the under-appreciated wonders of life. I used to think that they came from a stork.

[Edited 2013-11-14 08:30:15]


Never has gravity been so uplifting.
User currently offlineSurferX From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11697 times:
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I do appreciate that the local ABC station stated that the 737 is one of the safest A/C in the skies...Check the last paragraph of the story.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9324572


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5949 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11598 times:
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Quoting bcoz (Reply 6):
That being said, FlightAware does indicate that they did indeed experience a 9,900 FPM rate

Could that be a FlightAware glitch. Even for an emergency descent that FPM rate seems too high, specially since they were not going down all the way to 10,000 ft.



MGGS
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

Quoting stackhouse007 (Thread starter):
Anyone have more information? Seems a little strange.

Courtesy: Fox News

Passenger Recounts Midair 'Nosedive' Aboard Southwest Airlines Flight

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/14...airlines-flight/?intcmp=latestnews


User currently offlinebcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 14):
Could that be a FlightAware glitch. Even for an emergency descent that FPM rate seems too high, specially since they were not going down all the way to 10,000 ft.

Suppose it could be. Here is that data:

Time: Lat Long Crs Direction KTS MPH ALT RATE Facility
05:32PM 33.4733 -80.9678 29° Northeast 497 572 41,000 -60 Level Jacksonville Center
05:33PM 33.5950 -80.8853 29° Northeast 497 572 40,900 -600 Descending Jacksonville Center
05:34PM 33.7189 -80.8025 29° Northeast 497 572 39,900 -2,100 Descending Jacksonville Center
05:35PM 33.8447 -80.7197 29° Northeast 497 572 36,700 -3,720 Descending Jacksonville Center
05:36PM 33.9747 -80.6361 28° Northeast 504 580 32,500 -9,900 Descending Jacksonville Center
05:37PM 34.0919 -80.5356 35° Northeast 509 586 17,000 -4,980 Descending Jacksonville Center
05:38PM 34.2086 -80.4219 39° Northeast 522 601 22,600 1,320 Climbing Jacksonville Center
05:39PM 34.3111 -80.3283 37° Northeast 505 581 19,700 -3,300 Descending Jacksonville Center


User currently offlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 889 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

So according to that, in one minute they went from 32,500 to 17000 feet?

Ah yea, I call it inaccurate.



...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offlineBIZJETTECH From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8887 times:

That's an impressive decent, must have been quite a ride.

User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 4):
Incredible. This, folks, is what the airline industry is up against. A media that will not stop short of sensationalizing anything commercial aviation related that they can get their hands on.
It's really nauseating, unfair and completely uncalled for.

Well, not to stick up for the news companies, but all it seems they did here was to report what a witness said. It was also reported on CNN, with some comments on what 'might' have actually been said, but she sticks by what she says she heard over the PA.

Yes, they are going to report it - that's their business. Sensationalism sells, but I don't see that they made anything up here ....yet!

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting barney captain (Reply 2):
We're going down........to a lower altitude due to a pressurization issue

Could the pilot have actually said something along the lines of 'we're starting down' or 'we're heading down?'. I'm wondering if in her panic, she misheard. Either way, if the plane was truly going down, I don't think a pilot would announce it to the entire aircraft?

Quoting bond007 (Reply 19):
Well, not to stick up for the news companies, but all it seems they did here was to report what a witness said. It was also reported on CNN, with some comments on what 'might' have actually been said, but she sticks by what she says she heard over the PA.
Quoting bond007 (Reply 19):
Yes, they are going to report it - that's their business.

The question is why are they reporting it in the first place? It's not a newsworthy story. Their business is to report newsworthy stories...

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:32:27]

User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1651 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8311 times:
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In my experience, sometimes PA announcements are very hard to hear, either because of engine noise, people talking loudly, or just low volume on the PA system. That might be why she didn't hear the whole thing.

Bob Bradley



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 20):
The question is why are they reporting it. It's not a newsworthy story. Their business is to report newsworthy stories...

Sure it's newsworthy ....by definition - it's on the news. Most emergency landings make the local news, and many national news, especially when a witness apparently hears "we're going down".

The news media defines what's 'newsworthy' and we define who the news media is ... by watching and buying their product.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineonaclearday From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 52 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 20):
Their business is to report newsworthy stories...

Unfortunately, you're wrong. Their business SHOULD be to report newsworthy stories. In reality, their business is to report sensational stories--so they can literally scare up customers for advertisers.

I'm married to a pilot, and I've experienced emergency descents. A pilot simply wouldn't make a PA stating "We're going down." The passenger in this video is certainly emotional and seeking attention.

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:44:49]


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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4972 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Has anyone tried to find the liveatc.net feed? Although it wouldn't record what he said to the cabin, it would give us a sense of tone and of nomenclature.

Also, for all the talk about people clawing at the overheads to get the masks to deploy (?!!), it seems like perhaps this was a false alarm and that's why they didn't. Should have been easy enough for the FO to look up and see what the cabin altitude actually showed, regardless of the "maintenance warning". Also, can't they manually deploy the masks from the flight deck on the 737 if that was necessary. I would be curious as to what the warning actually was -- I seriously doubt it was the cabin altitude horn. (I say "horn", but have they changed it to a different warning since the Helios nincompoops missed it?

[Edited 2013-11-14 12:10:10]

[Edited 2013-11-14 12:15:49]

25 AR385 : He simply wouldn´t have time, or even remember to make such an announcement.
26 SouthernDC9 : Could it be (IF there was in fact this descent and blah-blah-blah) that he was saying something to alert the FAs since they would still be up and abou
27 Post contains images bond007 : I think you're confusing 'newsworthy' with relevant important events around the world The BBC about 40 years ago might have been the only news agency
28 barney captain : I would have been if it were structurally possible.
29 winstonlegthigh : Should this women seek compensation for her "emotional torment", is this something they would turn to the CVR to settle?
30 WNCrew : THAT is exactly what I was thinking... I read another pax account that the FA's couldn't get ahold of the FD (or something along those lines) so it's
31 fxra : It's a slow news day... My humble opinion... some kind of Alert, QRH says descend to FLxxx, Crew calls ATC to declare emergency and inform them of in
32 GentFromAlaska : In that the flight deck received a pressurization alarm. I would think protocol mandates the the pilot and first officer don oxygen masks which could
33 dragon6172 : Seems to me the 17000 ft at 5:37pm should be a 27000. That would make the rate numbers make sense and would get rid of the high decent rate and then
34 bcoz : Asking from a position of ignorance here... What would the maximum rate of decent be in terms of maintaining structural integrity and recoverable aer
35 Post contains links tp1040 : New story kinda close. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9326090 Southwest told ABC11 Flight 3426 was headed from Tampa to
36 Post contains images zippyjet : I'm waiting for the one that will be about a passenger's Chihuahua getting loose midflight and going postal. As many have said if it bleads, it leads
37 barney captain : Great catch Dragon! - I agree completely.
38 cessna2 : That made for one interesting night at RDU. From what I gathered from people I know that work there is the Captain meant to call the FA and let them k
39 usflyguy : Nope, it took about an hour delay and continued on with a replacement aircraft.
40 ual747den : So it does appear that even though it was only a mistake the announcement that went out over the PA was "Were going down" which if the right button wo
41 onaclearday : No. As per my original posting: As I understand the newer information, the pilot did not make a PA stating "We're going down." Rather, the passengers
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