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UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD  
User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12665 times:

@airlinejack: United will begin flights to Atlantic City from IAH and ORD on April 1 utilizing an E145. The only other commercial airline at ACY is Spirit
Saw this on twitter!
IAH gets a new route!


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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12655 times:

Why not 2x daily ORD? IAH doesnt make much sense to me, particularly on an E145! Yuck.


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uni...on-2013-11-14?reflink=MW_news_stmp

news release....... I am just happy to have more service here



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7822 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12662 times:

IAH-ACY on an ERJ? Man, thats some kind of hell. I did DFW-FAR on an ERJ and I thought I was going to go crazy. This is an extra 500 miles past that!


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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

Nice to see ACY service (for the sake of ACY service in general) but I agree this is a long flight on an ERJ.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 1):

IAH-ORD on a 145 is great but to IAH on a 145? What the hell? I don't see this route lasting. The should add a Q up to EWR.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12361 times:

HUGE! I am thrilled to see this. I personally would think 2x ORD would be better, but United must have a reason. For someone in say Toms River this is a new option instead of EWR. There are alot of people in Ocean and Monmouth County who can reach both EWR and ACY. ACY is a nice option, personally i will use ACY once, i love the airport even though i live far away.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12262 times:

Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics.

Quote:
Mixed Signals on New PATH to the Airport
Christie Administration, United Airlines Discuss Rail Extension to Newark Liberty
Quote:
By Ted Mann
Sept. 29, 2013 10:15 p.m. ETRepresentatives of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have dangled a mass transit expansion project in front of the largest airline at Newark Liberty International Airport, people familiar with the matter said, but they want something in exchange: a pledge to begin serving the much smaller airport 100 miles away in Atlantic City.

In talks with United Airlines, the Christie representatives have suggested that they would direct the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to begin a long-contemplated extension of the PATH train to Newark's airport rail station, providing a long-desired direct rail link with Lower Manhattan, these people said.

In exchange, these people say Mr. Christie, via Port Authority Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni, has asked United to provide service to a slate of cities from Atlantic City—a small airport with a spotty track record of supporting commercial service. United is the dominant airline at the Newark airport, carrying about 70% of the passengers.

I cannot post a link to Wall Street Journal articles, just use google for the full article.



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User currently offlinecalmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12151 times:
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nice to see ACY back in the network. Been a long time since it has been. CLE-ACY prior to September 11.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12099 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics.

Ah - thank you very much for providing the real back story for this otherwise ridiculously-implausible sounding service. Now it all makes sense ...


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12088 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
The should add a Q up to EWR.



COEX used to fly 5x daily ATRs from ACY to EWR, it lasted until around 2001. In the Eighties they had a regional partner flying DHT's from Bader Field to EWR. They also flew 3x daily ERJ CLE-ACY.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics

I will still take it..  



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12054 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

I would have thought it was a favor to the Port Authority because they just took over ACY, but this works too. Now the question is what will fares be like?



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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11891 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):

IAH-ORD on a 145 is great but to IAH on a 145? What the hell?

That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3094 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11852 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 12):
I would have thought it was a favor to the Port Authority because they just took over ACY

That too  


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

I flew MSP-EWR on a COEX ERJ-145, that flight was more comfortable than the NWA A330 from HNL I had connected from.


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User currently offlineTHEFLLFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11817 times:

Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11781 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
TTN

TTN and ACY really don't compete, if they wanted to respond to F9 they would launch TTN not ACY.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11773 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH has been discontinued.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

What kind of fares will UA have on ACY-ORD in season when NK flies the route also?

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH ceased. I think it's more trying to get something more at EWR, by servicing ACY, like B6 at ORH for more gates at BOS. The press release has "New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and United Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Jeff Smisek announced the service"

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:01:25]

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

"If you put your ear to the ground and hear hoofbeats, think Horses, not Zebras"

In this case I believe the obvious reason is PANYNJ not some out of the way F9 routes.


User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11719 times:
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Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH was dropped. Christie wants to revitalize AC and this will help him do it, its for that reason, it doesn't have to do with F9.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
TTN and ACY really don't compete, if they wanted to respond to F9 they would launch TTN not ACY.

While very few from Mercer Co. would go down to ACY and Atlantic Co. up to TTN, there is common catchment from Monmouth-Ocean, SW NJ, and Center City and NE Philly.

It's no surprise TTN decided to keep parking rate at $8/day, $1 less than ACY.

I think being at ACY it's something that helps UA on it's dominance at EWR, by serving the challenged city, AC it's going for good PR, and have Christie not be claiming UA is evil and there should be more low fare service, competition out of EWR.

Another side benefit: With US out of Star Alliance, it also has a side benefit of making UA/Star still competitive in So. NJ. Many anyways fly EWR up for international, or take NJTransit to the EWR station for domestic, but this helps as well.

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:11:08]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11669 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
In talks with United Airlines, the Christie representatives have suggested that they would direct the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to begin a long-contemplated extension of the PATH train to Newark's airport rail station, providing a long-desired direct rail link with Lower Manhattan, these people said.


Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:14:52]

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:15:36]

User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1250 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11547 times:

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?

Yup. Beats EWR-OKC by 18nm.

Some of our longest routes:

IAH-ACY 1169 nm
EWR-OKC 1151 nm
DEN-PIT 1121 nm
IAH-YYZ 1112 nm


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12011 times:

My guess is ORD/IAH will be replaced with CLE/IAD by November or so. IAD will link down to Florida as well for the winter months. There's just more fanfare to announce it with Chicago and Houston.

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 26):

When I first heard there was going to be an announcement, I figured IAD in Dash-8 and ERJ to ORD.... never guessed IAH..

I cannot see them switching out ORD for CLE though... CLE wasn't too successful the first time with CO



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12090 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 23):
Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

They're going to extend the PATH train 1.5 miles from South Street to the existing rail link. PATH is transit not light rail.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Ah - thank you very much for providing the real back story for this otherwise ridiculously-implausible sounding service. Now it all makes sense ...

Yup. High CASM RJ's on long stage lengths to low yield market is a recipe for red ink. However, we know the real reason they are adding this. I wonder how long UA has to fly these routes to get what they want at EWR?


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 339 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 23):
Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

There is no CNJ tracks that criss cross anything in South Jersey anymore.

There is a plan to add an Atlantic City Airport Station in Pomona on the NJTransit Atlantic City Line.

The Atlantic City Line also has an interchange station with the NJTransit River LINE at Pennsauken Transit Center. The River LINE is a Diesel LRT line that runs from Trenton to Camden along the Delaware River.

But the apparent deal mentioned is about extending PATH from Newark Penn Station to Newark Liberty Interntational Airport NEC Station. Christie apparently promised to push for such an extension with the Port Authority which is jointly controlled (well sort of in name only - in terms more of veto power than anything else apparently) by the two Gvernor (NY and NJ). For those not from the region, PATH is a heavy rail subway system which runs relatively frequent 10 car trains between World Trade Center and Newark Penn Station, among its various routes.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11882 times:

AC airport and much more the city needs boosts of any type. I think they did to boost their polical connections with the christie administration and the port authority. I think a link to IAD and ORD and maybe even CLE would be better fits than IAH. If they see the traffic headed west though, they might have a reason.

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

I think this is great news for all of south New Jersey not just Atlantic City. I think this makes a lot of sense. There is a large population there who would love not to fight traffic to Philly or Newark. Good going !

User currently offlineandrew50 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11776 times:
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Great news another regional jet flight from the regional jet capital of the world! (IAH)   

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 32):
Great news another regional jet flight from the regional jet capital of the world! (IAH)

ORD has more RJ departures than IAH does on the average day, and that's just with UA. It's probably nearly double with AA thrown in there.


User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):


At one time CO and later UA (?) operated EWR - YYT using the 145. That's 1162 statute miles.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11380 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 30):
I think a link to IAD and ORD and maybe even CLE would be better fits than IAH

To compete with NK already serving ACY -- F9 serving nearby TTN (58 miles away) and ILG (57 miles away) -- and legacies serving PHL (45 miles away) -- "links" aren't going to cut it, most especially in the most congested air space in the country.

In this case, go big or go home.

a link to IAD
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212 aircraft, and as one would expect, was replaced with charter busses.

[Edited 2013-11-14 13:32:24]

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11093 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Some of our longest routes:

Just to put those in GCMap terms for those with the popcorn:

50 seat routes over 1200 mi:

CLEDEN 1201 mi
IAHORF 1201 mi
EWRTUL 1215 mi
ELPORD 1236 mi
ORDYHZ 1239 mi
IAHYYZ 1280 mi
DENPIT 1290 mi
EWROKC 1325 mi
IAHACY 1345 mi


User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10989 times:
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Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 34):

Oh yeah, I've done that flight. Was upped to a 737 shortly after.



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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
IAH-ACY 1169 nm
EWR-OKC 1151 nm
DEN-PIT 1121 nm
IAH-YYZ 1112 nm

Air Koryo, here I come! (Just kidding)



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User currently onlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?
Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Yup. Beats EWR-OKC by 18nm.

Darn. Sad to see that we'll be bumped from the top of the list. But if you have an A seat, the flight isn't too bad. I think I'd rather go from IAH on a UAX E145 than from [insert airport here] on a NK A320.   

As for the flight itself, we'll see whether the politics can live harmoniously with the balance sheet.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10623 times:

After reading the WSJ mentioned above and even UA acknowledging that this won't work, and the unattractive aircraft for HOU, the more this sucks. ORD fares will probably be uncompetitive.

I'd rather see an ACY announcement of F9 announcing ACY-MDW and some other cities on a 2-4x weekly year-round.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
To compete with NK already serving ACY -- F9 serving nearby TTN (58 miles away) and ILG (57 miles away) -- and legacies serving PHL (45 miles away) -- "links" aren't going to cut it, most especially in the most congested air space in the country.

ACY-IAD wouldn't be over congested airspace. If it could get pax on ACY-IAD-LAX on UA, it's better for them than the pax taking PHL-LAX on AA/US or VX.


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

The A side seat on the ERJ is better than any seat on 737 or 320, especially with elite heavy flights, and having no chance of upgrade. What is the problem with ERJ anyway, the seats are same, you dont get anything more on a 737.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Eff April 1. If the shoe fits...  


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 41):
The A side seat on the ERJ is better than any seat on 737 or 320, especially with elite heavy flights, and having no chance of upgrade. What is the problem with ERJ anyway, the seats are same, you dont get anything more on a 737.

Having done EWR-OKC and back a few times and IAH upper-midwest A is certainly the only thing I'd want unless the C seat was empty.

FWIW 12A rocks.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
a link to IAD
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212 aircraft, and as one would expect, was replaced with charter busses.

If you're implying UA might consider IAD-ACY service in order to lure DC-area gamblers to ACY, think again: DC is slated to get its own major casino (just off of 495, and only a short jaunt from DCA) within a couple of years. That's on top of the casino frenzy near BWI (and soon to be downtown Baltimore), as well as West Virginia. In short, DC-area gamblers have a number of solid options within a short drive.

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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9611 times:

UJC and RPA still do charters from IAD and BWI to ACY at least twice a month, so I am sure the gamblers are well taken care of. IAD would be more for connecting passengers if UA ever did it from ACY.


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1250 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9512 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 34):
At one time CO and later UA (?) operated EWR - YYT using the 145. That's 1162 statute miles.

Still do. Just recently went back to a 145. It's actually just a few mins from landing in YYT right now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20131114/2310Z/KEWR/CYYT


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9207 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 30):
a link to IAD
Quoting 777fan (Reply 44):
If you're implying UA might consider IAD-ACY service in order to lure DC-area gamblers to ACY

I'm not implying anything -- I'm stating as fact.

Also, I remember that USAir Express was involved in moving gamblers from PHL using Short Aerovans.

All that went down the drain when the Atlantic City casinos began running free charters from the DC area, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. With your seat, as I remember, you got free chips to use at whatever casino was sponsoring the busses on a particular day.

As for "Maryland Live" near BWI and "Hollywood" in the West Virginia panhandle, neither has caused NK or WN to cut any nonstop flights to LAS.

The new Gaylord place on the Potomac will -- likewise -- change that in no way.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?

Depends how much money you lost in ACY.  
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212

ACA used to fly IAD-ACY back in the mid 90's for about 6 months. The flights were on a Jetstream 32. They were sponsored by Harrahs. A heavy load on any of those flights was anything more than five passengers. When Harrahs quit sponsoring the flights, ACA discontinued ACY immediately.


User currently onlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

Maybe run the Q400 CLE-ACY?


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8344 times:

The AC casinos pay for charters to bring people in. They have a really hard time filling rooms midweek so the best thing is to charter planes and bring people in that way. The age tends to be very old on those charters. Someone drops grandma and grandpa off at the local airport and they get a two or three night getaway.

The problem AC is facing right now for those not in the northeast is that states have allowed casinos to be built. It all started going downhill when foxwoods and Mohegan sun went in Connecticut. They are closer to NYC most of the NYC metro area and newer. That is really the start of when things went downhill. Since then tons of states have made the drive to AC much harder and harder to justify.

I do not think UA is thinking more Origin traffic into ACY. its more for people in south jersey if anything more than politics. I really do wish them luck ACY needs this. Lets just hope it sticks at least ORD. I would much rather see them go 2x to ORD or move IAH to IAD or CLE for connections.


User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8297 times:
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I agree with all the calls saying that RJ's are cruel for the IAH-ACY. But UA is pulling out of CLE not in.

User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8217 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 50):
I do not think UA is thinking more Origin traffic into ACY. its more for people in south jersey if anything more than politics. I really do wish them luck ACY needs this. Lets just hope it sticks at least ORD. I would much rather see them go 2x to ORD or move IAH to IAD or CLE for connections.

They want this to fail, they want to say they tried but it didn't work and meanwhile the PATH will be extended to EWR. I mean, ORD flight at 8am? Unless they are going for pure O&D on this route, its a total sabotage. And the flight back to IAH at 6am whose going to decide that they want to have to arrive at the airport at 5am and its a 4 hour commuter flight. Is there that many places you can't get to thru ORD that they need to have an ill timed flight to IAH? This probably wouldn't have saved AC anyway, but it sure as hell doesn't have any chance now. Plus they will try to command a premium price on these flights just like DL did with TTN.

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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

The WSJ had another article last week about casino saturation in the US. Apparently there is a proposal to put some in NYC. The article speculated that NYC casinos would all but put ACY out of business.

As an example, in 2012 a casino and in 2013 a slot racino opened in Cleveland; and CLE-LAS traffic is down about 50,000 pax a year and LAS is a whole lot more attractive than ACY. For the year ending in August, 2012 191,000 pax - August, 2013 147,000 pax.



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User currently offlinecoairman From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

I don't think the RJ is too bad to fly on a long flight as I have flown it from CLE-DFW rt many times, along with IAH-ZIH. As mentioned above, the aisle/window combo seat on the "A" side is pretty sweet. Not many jets have a single seat side.  

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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

Quoting coairman (Reply 54):
I don't think the RJ is too bad to fly on a long flight as I have flown it from CLE-DFW rt many times, along with IAH-ZIH. As mentioned above, the aisle/window combo seat on the "A" side is pretty sweet. Not many jets have a single seat side.

Yes, just pull up a seat map on any flight of these aircraft, if it's less than full, the A side seats are always 100 percent occupied and the other side of the aisle has all the empty seats.


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Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

As I have said over and over I don't really understand why people think that the E145 is so bad. I personally really enjoy riding on the aircraft and think that if your in coach its even better than being on a 737 sized aircraft. I would take the A seat in an E145 any day over the middle seat in a narrowbody. I am 6'2 and have no problem with flying in an ERJ


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User currently offlinejetblastdubai From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
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Quoting ual747den (Reply 56):
I would take the A seat in an E145 any day over the middle seat in a narrowbody.

The A seats are only 1/3 of the E145 seating capacity so 2/3s of the pax get the less-desirable seats. If you can make money flying with a 33% load factor...fine. If you leave the B seat empty so no one on the "two-side" has someone sharing shoulder space, that'd be helpful but you're still running a 66% load factor then.

How comfortable would the 3X3 seating narrowbody be if the load factor was never over 66% meaning every middle seat would be empty? You could actually get up and stand during a longer flight. I've never used the lav on the E145 but I can't imagine it being even remotely ergonomically functional for someone that can't even stand straight up in the center aisle.

That being said, if the choice was flying an E145 or having no flight option at all, then yeah the E145 works.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Well, there must be an underlying reason they added IAH and not CLE or IAD. By the way saying that they didn't add CLE because CLE is on the 'out' is just bunk. Flights have been added here and there to CLE.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Ah - thank you very much for providing the real back story for this otherwise ridiculously-implausible sounding service. Now it all makes sense ...

Jeff Smisek and Governor Christie had a press conference yesterday to make the ACY announcement. The press conference was held at EWR.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...cago_and_houston.html#incart_river

The EWR-PATH extension was about to be announced in September but the press conference was called off at the last second due to negotiations. The Wall Street Journal reported it was over Governor Christie's request that UA launch flights from ACY in exchange for the PATH extension to EWR.

Obviously UA has followed through, now it's just a matter of time before the Port Authority board approves the project.

The Wall Street Journal had a follow up article yesterday announcing the new flights:

Quote:
By Ted Mann

Nov. 14, 2013 10:12 p.m. ETUnited Airlines agreed to begin daily flights to and from Atlantic City International Airport from its hubs in Houston and Chicago in April, Republican Gov. Chris Christie said Thursday, boosting his efforts to reverse the city's sagging economic fortunes.

United's arrival in Atlantic City was a coup in part because aviation experts say it's difficult to convince airlines to serve the small airport, which the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey took over earlier this year. [/quote[

And,

[quote]The Wall Street Journal reported in September that a Port Authority executive had offered a deal to United in which the authority would fund an extension of the PATH rapid transit line to Newark Liberty International Airport in exchange for a commitment to serve Atlantic City.

An authority official said Thursday that Mr. Christie's representatives within the authority have been "absolutely insistent" that hundreds of millions of dollars be included in the next capital plan to begin work on the PATH project.

The full project could cost from $2 billion to $4 billion, the official said, and some within the authority question the use of the funds on a connection to the Newark airport. The capital plan isn't expected to be released before the end of the year.
Quote:

Some aviation experts are skeptical that United would risk a potential money-losing service expansion without assurances elsewhere, such as the potential for a one-seat ride from Lower Manhattan to Newark that a PATH extension would bring.

"It's hard to know whether it's a virtual carrot or a real carrot," Robert Mann, an aviation consultant, said of the New Jersey push to fund the PATH extension. "It would be of very great interest to United."

Again I can't post a link to the Wall Street Journal article, just use google.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

So did PANYNJ take over ACY?


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 60):
So did PANYNJ take over ACY?

PANYNJ took over the Air Service Development and marketing, but the airport is still owned by SJTA... there is a 15 year agreement in place between the two.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

What a joke.

NY/NJ is so freakin corrupt.

I'll give you a rail link that costs billions if you give me 2 RJs that no one will ever fill.

Did they get a time commitment or can this be gone as soon as the link is opened or started?

Never mind that the link is good for NJ.

Never mind that EWR has gone from #1 in the NY area to a distant #2 in a decade and this is a huge improvement for the airport.

Let's extort the largest ailine.

Notice Ladies and Gentlemen, the second most bloated and business-unfriendly airport authority, Massport (PANYNJ is by far #1) did the same thing in BOS/ORH to B6.

You want to play in the NE? You gotta pay. That's why people move away!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 62):
You want to play in the NE? You gotta pay.

Speakin' the same language as anyone based in Chicago 



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User currently offlinejetblastdubai From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7114 times:
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Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 62):
I'll give you a rail link that costs billions if you give me 2 RJs that no one will ever fill

I've only done the bus between EWR and the Port Authority Station in Manhattan. How much easier, faster and cheaper will this rail extention make it for travellers to EWR from Manhattan? What about additional stops along the way for pick-ups?

Are the rail cars fairly nice inside or is it a noisy, crowded, smelly ride?



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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Did anyone consider that UA is intentionally making this flight as unprofitable as possible? Appease Gov Jabba the Hut at a press conference, bleed this flight for a few months and pull out. United gets what it wants, Jabba gets the credit for trying with the South Jersey electorate and United gets their link to lower Manhattan.

Does anyone watch House of Cards?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

ORD-ACY 8:10 a.m. daily, arriving at 11:17 a.m.
ACY-ORD 11:52 a.m. and arrive in Chicago at 1:10 p.m.

IAH-ACY 7 p.m. daily, arriving at 11:20 p.m.
ACY-IAH 6 a.m. and arrive in Houston at 8:49 a.m.

I dont think the timing is that bad for the West coast. Certainly not the best timing if you are looking for the midwestern traffic but i think more Jersey people have moved out West for jobs or weather. The transplants might use the flights to head home or to attend their friends wedding or bachelor party etc. If they really wanted to help the convention business they would need better timing and a closer flight.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 62):

NY/NJ is so freakin corrupt.

Yup. It's why I don't live there anymore. The infrastructure in NYC/NJ area is complete crap and nothing can be done because of the unions. Once you learn a little more internally about PANYNJ (I know someone who works there) it will make you puke.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

Quoting airzim (Reply 65):
Did anyone consider that UA is intentionally making this flight as unprofitable as possible?

So much for airlines trying to make money (and please shareholders).

Quoting airzim (Reply 65):
Appease Gov Jabba the Hut at a press conference, bleed this flight for a few months and pull out. United gets what it wants, Jabba gets the credit for trying with the South Jersey electorate and United gets their link to lower Manhattan.

One flaw with your statement is that Christie's re-election bid was held over a week ago; forget any Presidential bid rumors or aspirations for the moment, now that he's won re-election and can't seek a 3rd term per NJ's Constitution, he theoretically doesn't really have to go out of his way to appease voters anymore.

Personally, I don't recall boosting ACY service being one of Gov. Christie's campaign promises.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 47):
As for "Maryland Live" near BWI and "Hollywood" in the West Virginia panhandle, neither has caused NK or WN to cut any nonstop flights to LAS.

Nope, of course they haven't, but they also don't compete with anything in LAS which is arguably a global destination in its own right. But...

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 50):
The problem AC is facing right now for those not in the northeast is that states have allowed casinos to be built. It all started going downhill when foxwoods and Mohegan sun went in Connecticut.

...they've taken a chunk out of established regional competitors to include Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun which as slcdeltarumd11 noted, have severely stunted Atlantic City's casino traffic over the last couple of decades.

If UA is going to launch IAD-ACY flights, I'd venture to guess they'd be banking on connecting traffic and not necessarily O&D. If someone (anyone) thought DC-area to ACY flights would have a chance at running in the black, they'd have already double-down on the routes, pun intended. US has RJ fever out of DCA and from a logistical standpoint, would be able to offer quick jaunts to ACY for the downtown DC crowd thanks to DCA's Metro stop. I'm guessing there's a logical reason why this isn't happening and would further venture to guess that ACY will become a smaller afterthought in the minds of Washingtonians once MD's additional casinos are up and running.

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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

US use to fly to AC but left right about the same time traffic to AC started to nose dive. I wouldnt think the economics would be any better now. Charter companies do fly BWI and IAD to AC on those 2 and 3 day trips. The charters have been huge at getting people to the casinos i dont think an airline alone could be profitbale. Allegiant would be all over it if they thought the demand existed. The casinos are paying for the charters and feed rewards members near the airports.

The convention business in AC is awful despite a full service convention center. They do get convnetions but the majority tend to be regional. Better air service would help them to land more conventions. They would need ideally timed flights to hubs to meet connections banks. Flying 3x daily to IAD would be much better than what united is offering.

There is some demand to AC i really hope United can make it work and is willing to adjust to make it have a chance. Lets all wait and see. Lets hope fares are reasonable.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Some of our longest routes:

IAH-ACY 1169 nm
EWR-OKC 1151 nm
DEN-PIT 1121 nm
IAH-YYZ 1112 nm

EWR-YYT is up there too.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

The flights times are ideal for connections through IAH and ORD. That should be totally obvious. UA may have to committ for more than a few months.

UA/CO is a strong brand in NJ. I don't know why you are all dismissing this so early on.

Again, CLE and IAD seem like more logical choices over IAH.

Obviously UA is going to get something quite desirable out of this, and two regional jets is not a high risk venture.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

I guess this finally puts the UA is punishing IAH nonsense to rest!


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 73):
I guess this finally puts the UA is punishing IAH nonsense to rest!

Sure. One (1) money losing soon-to-be canceled RJ in a political deal while OA is up 20+% at IAH, LH has upgraded to a 380, Star has added PEK and IST, WN is up around 10% YOY at HOU, and UA has added up to 8-10 destinations at every other hub except their largest one in the last 18 months, never mind the explosive growth down the road at AUS, DFW, and even places like MAF. Release the doves.

[Edited 2013-11-16 19:15:35]


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5587 times:
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Quoting klwright69 (Reply 72):
The flights times are ideal for connections through IAH and ORD

The ORD-ACY flight is no where near ideal for connections. It departs at 800am, you''ll be able to get some midwest cities on an early 600am flight and thats about it. 6am ACY-IAH flight is less than ideal but I guess would work, 7pm IAH-ACY flight is fine and was as the 1150a ACY-ORD flight. At a minimum UA needs to change the ORD-ACY flight time.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 73):

I guess this finally puts the UA is punishing IAH nonsense to rest!

Yep, and rumor has it that AOO is next on the list for UA from IAH.......

 


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 73):
I guess this finally puts the UA is punishing IAH nonsense to rest!

mav11 said it best but why does one route that is part of a political deal have anything to do with UA's IAH plans?

Hint-it doesn't. UA might not be "punishing" IAH but they cut it.
Look at the thread here showing available seats year over year? IAH is the only UA hub that is way down.
Punishment...maybe not, but the cuts are reality 50 seats a day to ACY notwithstanding.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

ORD is way down too..


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 78):
ORD is way down too..

Not really. Not like IAH. YOu can view the actual numbers in the threads.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Yeah, but those numbers where from 2012. And in summer 2013 IAH was at the top half of the list for busiest airports

[Edited 2013-11-17 07:15:23]


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 75):
At a minimum UA needs to change the ORD-ACY flight time.

I think ORD-ACY-ORD would have worked better as a midday turn... being 8am, you may catch a few midwest cities and any red-eyes from the west coast (if UA has any) and thats it....

I wonder if any deals will be in place with the casinos for the UA flights like they do with the NK flights for BOS,DTW and ORD



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 80):
Yeah, but those numbers where from 2012. And in summer 2013 IAH was at the top half of the list for busiest airports

No part of 13 #'s is available also (there are different threads). You are incorrect.

IAH being busy and UA cutting routes are not mutual exclusive.

UA cut or right sized as you say much at IAH...that is what mergers do.
While it is great to have an uncomfortable RJ flight once a day to ACY, that does not mean a massive expansion is coming.

777s to IST and China do more for IAHs numbers than a UAex flight to ACY which probably won't last past the PATH train expansion.

Maybe enough connecting traffic south of the border will make it last, who knows.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 82):

Well, you do have a point, lets wait and see.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 62):
I'll give you a rail link that costs billions



The planning and engineering that has been done on the project looked at two alternatives, an extension of the PATH line 1.5 miles along the NEC from it's current terminus at South Street Newark to the EWR rail link station. The estimate for that option was $550 Million. The second option was an extension of the PATH line directly to the Central Terminals at EWR. This option was $2-4 billion. The advantages of the second option would be to avoid the neccessity of passengers having to crowd onto an already crowded and increasingly less reliable Airtrain monorail.

The Wall Street Journal article I quote cite a figure of $2-4 billion. Now whether it will indeed be the second option or the price tag for the first has quadroupled remains to be seen.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

What I am trying to say is that this is a new Market for UA, although it started due to politics, It could end doing very well and increasing in frequency, the route is starting one time daily, but if it does well, they could upgauge the route. It eventually could upgrade to mainline.


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
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The fares are out for ACY and they are high (not surprising as UA doesn't want this to work)

ACY-ORD lowest available $386RT (mostly in April and May) then $474 for the rest of the schedule
ACY-LAS lowest available $714RT (one random day in October. Otherwise $758)
ACY-SEA lowest available $646RT (PHL-SEA on UA with a connection $241)



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4467 times:

Fantastic, i'm sure EK is quivering in fear..


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4431 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 87):
Fantastic, i'm sure EK is quivering in fear..

I assume you mean NK (Spirit Airlines)? And yes, I'm sure they are crapping in their pants as we speak.  



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days ago) and read 4416 times:

United really doesn't want ACY to work. Looking at fares in June looking at flexible I did +/- 3 days dates

ACY-SLC $2134 No joke

ACY-SFO $1216

ACY-SAN $1309

I really hope this is just since its so new and they will adjust it to at least try. These fares are ridiculous. They will have a few frequent flyers redeeming miles on the flights and that might be it.

I hope united doesn't just want to leave its so obvious with these prices. I got my fingers crossed its just cause its new but its not looking good   theses fares are ridiculous. I wonder if IAH will even takeoff? The fares they are charging it will be easy to have empty planes.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days ago) and read 4375 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 88):
(31 minutes 18 secs ago) and read 51 times: Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Max Q (Reply 87):
Fantastic, i'm sure EK is quivering in fear..

I assume you mean NK (Spirit Airlines)? And yes, I'm sure they are crapping in their pants as we speak.

No, I meant EK, while United works on atlantic city EK steadily takes over the world.


That's my point.



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days ago) and read 4390 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 89):

Any time I've tried to book UA for my travels (mostly EWR-MYR or EWR-RSW) they have been over $1000 when the rest are below $500. That's why I've only flown them four times in my life and why they can only make EWR-MYR work seasonally.  



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 91):
Any time I've tried to book UA for my travels (mostly EWR-MYR or EWR-RSW) they have been over $1000 when the rest are below $500. That's why I've only flown them four times in my life and why they can only make EWR-MYR work seasonally.

On average, the fares can't be that bad on EWR-RSW as B6 flies the route, unless UA is ignoring B6's faring. But, I checked for Dec.10-12, EWR-RSW on UA is $336 r/t. JetBlue flies the route 1x daily as well and it's fare for the same itinery is exactly the same.

For MYR, pax are using NK (from LGA and ACY) or just driving all the way down to Myrtle. NK launched PHL-MYR seasonally and US is matching the fare though.

Because of NK's low fares, there are a number of PA license plates at the ACY parking lot, even though PHL is closer from any point in SE PA. The airport isn't just for reaching Atlantic City and has pax from up to 60 miles out that could care less about the city. Within reasonable distance (likely one hour), people will drive to an alternate airport for a low fare. It happens with DAY also that gets CVG pax.

It's almost the same reason people will drive past their local grocery store and 2-3 others, pay for a membership, to use a Costco that closes at 6pm on the weekends, because something else of value offsets the other inconveniences.


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Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

I am hoping since they just loaded the schedule Saturday morning that the fares still need to be adjusted... otherwise, this will not work!!


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

If those fares are true, UA clearly did not get the memo as towards what happened when DL (via OH) charged outrageous fares out of TTN & ILG several years ago; or if they did, they just flat out ignored it.


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
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Quoting nkops (Reply 93):
I am hoping since they just loaded the schedule Saturday morning that the fares still need to be adjusted... otherwise, this will not work!!

I hope so too, but with the timing of ORD-ACY at 8am with very few possibilities of a connection and the 4hr ride on the E145 from ACY-IAH, I really suspect they don't want this to work.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 94):
If those fares are true, UA clearly did not get the memo as towards what happened when DL (via OH) charged outrageous fares out of TTN & ILG several years ago; or if they did, they just flat out ignored it.

Personally, I think they got the memo and want this to suffer the same fate as DL's TTN and ILG service.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7822 posts, RR: 25
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 74):
Sure. One (1) money losing soon-to-be canceled RJ in a political deal while OA is up 20+% at IAH, LH has upgraded to a 380, Star has added PEK and IST, WN is up around 10% YOY at HOU, and UA has added up to 8-10 destinations at every other hub except their largest one in the last 18 months, never mind the explosive growth down the road at AUS, DFW, and even places like MAF. Release the doves

That wasnt the first time large capacity was cut at IAH.

Back in 2008/2009, CO cut destinations like TLH, RNO, GYE, BDL, and a few others from IAH. No one threw a fit then.

Come 2013, UA does the same thing and people get up in arms.

Heres the bottom line, airlines arent charities. They arent obligated to keep service that isnt profitable. Along those same lines, UA isnt a teenage girl either. UA isnt going to cut profitable flying just for the sake of making a point. No airline is going to do that. By that same token, what UA cut was not profitable and a drain. The WN deal with HOU was nothing more than an excuse to cut that flying.

UA totally went about it the wrong way, but in the end what was cut was non-profitable fluff flying plus IAH-AKL which had little chance of being profitable. Had UA cut IAH-AMS, I would have listened to the theory that it was just to spite Houston.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 96):
Back in 2008/2009, CO cut destinations like TLH, RNO, GYE, BDL, and a few others from IAH. No one threw a fit then.

Starting with 9/11, CO always over-reacted to external events.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 96):

I agree, I saw through United's argument, and I knew that UA was bluffing and was using the WN/HOU debacle as a scapegoat for the planned capacity cuts at IAH. And UA is also going to launch a 2nd daily IAH-NRT and the new IAH-MUC route next year, so this blows the UA punishing IAH stuff to the trash can. This also explains my earlier posts that would repetitively and enthusiastically state that UA would grow IAH, even though it annoyed a lot on this forum. I am a very optimistic person and look on the bright side of things, but I also use COMMON SENSE!! If UA were making those cuts at IAH, they would be making a fool out of themselves not just in Houston, but nationally.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

They could even offer ACY-EWR if they wanted to as a feeder flight or ACY-IAD but instead IAH. I think they want it to fail, maybe even before it takes off. Have the plane so empty they can pull out and pretend they tried LOL

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Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

CO offered EWR-ACY 4-5x daily with ATR's for about 15 years. During this period they also flew EWR-ISP.


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

I wonder (or would hope) the PANYNJ got some kind of guarantee from them to service the airport for so many years...


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3742 times:
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Quoting nkops (Reply 101):
I wonder (or would hope) the PANYNJ got some kind of guarantee from them to service the airport for so many years...

At these prices, does it really matter?



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 102):

Not if there is no guarantee of service... my thought process was if UA guaranteed 5 years (just throwing a number out there), then it seems they would be doing themselves a huge disservice by the fares they've published. Again, I hope these fares come back down to earth.

When US flew to ACY, their fares were usually $20-$50 dollars above PHL (which at the time you could easily make up in parking.) I was kind of hoping for the same thing from UA



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3596 times:
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Quoting nkops (Reply 103):
Not if there is no guarantee of service... my thought process was if UA guaranteed 5 years (just throwing a number out there), then it seems they would be doing themselves a huge disservice by the fares they've published. Again, I hope these fares come back down to earth.

I would doubt that UA guaranteed any time period of service. I read here that orginally they didn't want to "Do AC", at most there might be a 1 year guarantee in which case they might not mind losing money in exchange for getting a better shot at the Wall Street crowd. The only thing I can think of is that they were rushed to announce the service and didn't have time to figure out the details. Usually when an airline announces service between 2 cities, they start selling tickets that day or the next day. This took like 10 days. Hopefully they will be redoing the fares and schedule to make them more appealing.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Yes, I also checked these fares also. They are ridiculously high to the point of disbelief.

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Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

The other thing I noticed when playing around on United.com is that when pricing out a connection, it seems to price it as separate flights according to booking code... ie. ACY-SFO will price the ACY-ORD portion as booking code H and the connection to SFO as U

I am not sure that makes a difference but I thought the booking code was suppose to be the same



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User currently offlinelrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 89):
United really doesn't want ACY to work. Looking at fares in June looking at flexible I did +/- 3 days dates

ACY-SLC $2134 No joke

ACY-SFO $1216


The fares I see aren't quite so far out there.

Using the weekend of May 3rd for IND-ACY there are R/T fares for as low as $423, and for SFO-ACY R/T fares at $448, with one way fares at identical levels. Certainly not the cheapest thing out there, but it's not outrageous.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7822 posts, RR: 25
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 105):
Yes, I also checked these fares also. They are ridiculously high to the point of disbelief.

They will lower them. Fares are always higher when the flights are loaded.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Showing $1,027 from IAH but a slightly "better" $521 with a Saturday stay in April.


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting lrdc9 (Reply 107):
Using the weekend of May 3rd for IND-ACY there are R/T fares for as low as $423

They are finally dropping them to reasonable levels.. lowest fare on this route now is $334RT...



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 95):
I hope so too, but with the timing of ORD-ACY at 8am with very few possibilities of a connection and the 4hr ride on the E145 from ACY-IAH, I really suspect they don't want this to work.

The ORD-ACY timing isn't so bad. NK's flight leaves even earlier. Plus, the LAX and SFO red-eyes arrive into ORD and can connect via that flight. There is always demand from NJ to California.

The ACY-ORD r/t is coming up now for $386, and ACY-IAH is $521. An E145 for a 4hr. trip to IAH for $521 isn't competitive. Even ORD isn't that competitive at $386, but it's somewhat reasonable. NK will offer about a $200 r/t nonstop with a checked bag or carryon during the summer.

ACY-ORD/IAH-LAX and ACY-ORD/IAH-SFO are priced at $391 which is more competitive than just reaching ORD.

But, if connections are pretty much just what's going to being priced competitively, atleast over IAH-why doesn't UA just offer ACY to IAD service and 3-4x daily. It'll help solidify the IAD hub with more connection feed coming in.

[Edited 2013-11-28 12:42:53]

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 57):
The A seats are only 1/3 of the E145 seating capacity so 2/3s of the pax get the less-desirable seats. If you can make money flying with a 33% load factor...fine. If you leave the B seat empty so no one on the "two-side" has someone sharing shoulder space, that'd be helpful but you're still running a 66% load factor then.

Depens on the view. The ERJ has 0% middle seats and 66 % aisle seats.

The 737 has 33 % middle seats and 33 % aisle seats.


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Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 112):
Depens on the view. The ERJ has 0% middle seats and 66 % aisle seats.

The 737 has 33 % middle seats and 33 % aisle seats.

That doesn't matter to me - I wouldn't be in the middle seat on anything anyway. The ERJ for 4 hrs is a no go for me...low ceiling, slower speed, exaggerated turbulence...no thanks.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 111):

The ORD-ACY timing isn't so bad. NK's flight leaves even earlier. Plus, the LAX and SFO red-eyes arrive into ORD and can connect via that flight. There is always demand from NJ to California.

Oh yeah, the 3 hour layover in ORD is great.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 111):
ACY-ORD/IAH-LAX and ACY-ORD/IAH-SFO are priced at $391 which is more competitive than just reaching ORD.

It appears that they are finally getting serious about the fares, for that I am greatful, but the offerings as far as schedule still have alot to be desired.



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User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 103):

When US flew to ACY, their fares were usually $20-$50 dollars above PHL (which at the time you could easily make up in parking.) I was kind of hoping for the same thing from UA

What you're saying is that you'd like to fly halfway across the country for $50? Does that seem very realistic to you?


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Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
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Quoting flight152 (Reply 115):
What you're saying is that you'd like to fly halfway across the country for $50? Does that seem very realistic to you?

I believe you misread the post, he means it used to cost $20-50 MORE than the fare from PHL, not $20-50 total.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting flight152 (Reply 115):

I think you misunderstood me... when US flew out of ACY, they would put their fares about $50 above their fares out of PHL.. so if PHL-LAX was $300rt ACY-LAX would be appx $350RT

So, while I expect the fares on UA to be higher out of ACY, I would hope they are somewhat comparable to what UA charges out of PHL



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Glad to see the fares are entering reality! I really want ACY to work.......

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