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Passenger Falls Out Of GA Plane Near MIA  
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7108 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12064 times:

Well this is a first for me. Pilot reported a door came open while in flight off the shores of Miami and his passenger fell out of the airplane. Miami-Dade Homicide detectives are investigating as they would for any questionable death or serious injury incident.

More here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/1...ilots-mayday-call-spurs-miami.html

Anyone ever heard of this happening before?

[Edited 2013-11-14 14:59:34]


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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

Not exactly the same thing as it was intentional rather than accidental, but just last week a man apparently committed suicide by booking a helicopter tour of the California coast and then jumping out:

http://news.sky.com/story/1164659/he...r-suicide-passenger-leaps-to-death


User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11939 times:

And other, not exactly the same, but an HP Employee on an HP corporate commuter flight from Lincoln Regional (KLHM) to San Jose (KSJC), jumped from the plane in 2000. The pilots did not realize until they landed in San Jose...

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/dec/16/news/mn-791



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11625 times:

The cartels are getting more creative in how they deal with "problems"  

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11293 times:

Sounds like a former episode of CSI Miami where this was the plot and that, was intentional.


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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11220 times:

I read a story a while back (possibly in the AOPA magazine - I forget ATM) about a door coming open on a light Piper and a toddler being sucked out. The pilot/dad caught him as he was heading out.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11101 times:

Well according to the article the pilot stated he open the door and jumped out. Not an easy thing to investigate.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10988 times:

There was an accident reported here some time ago of an airplane with a canopy opening and someone falling off in a turn, a student pilot I think.


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Whenever I fly, I always have my seat belt tightly secured...mainly to keep me comfortably situated in one place. I don't want to get jostled around and then have to get comfortable again after each bout of turbulence. Flying an Archer, it's unlikely I'll fall out if the door was opened.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

I was flying a C152 a number of years back when my door popped open. It can happen....


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User currently offlinelarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

How is it possible to fall out of a Piper Malibu? It is a split door, even if the upper half opens the lower half is still in place. Unless of course the plane was pressurized when the door blew open and the passenger was sucked out.

Pic looking aft only the top half off the door on the right opens.
http://www.mjets.com/images/Malibu_Gallery/Malibu_Seating1_New.jpg


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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

I've had a door come open on a 150 and 172 before but *knock on wood* haven't had anyone fall out yet. I always check the passenger door on my 172 from the outside after my passenger gets in to make sure it's locked. I seem to recall there was an incident some years back where a guy killed himself by going up with a flight instructor and then jumping out in mid flight. Imagine being that instructor afterward  

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10020 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 11):
I've had a door come open on a 150 and 172 before but *knock on wood* haven't had anyone fall out yet. I always check the passenger door on my 172 from the outside after my passenger gets in to make sure it's locked. I seem to recall there was an incident some years back where a guy killed himself by going up with a flight instructor and then jumping out in mid flight. Imagine being that instructor afterward

Not any worse that the instructor pilot that taught the 9/11 terrorists!!!  

Regarding the door popping open in a 172 (or any other airplane for that matter) it's a hard thing to accomplish due to the air flow outside of the fuselage. Cessna's doors open like any conventional car door... You all do the math.

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User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Anyone have the full N-number on this PA-46? LiveATC has the recording but they only say the last three as N4LD.


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User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

I had a door that wasn't properly closed once and it got a bit chilly because the cold air was coming in through the crack, but there was no way anyone could have fallen out. Once I was also in the back of a small plane and the luggage door came open whilst we turned onto finals and I held onto it trying to hold it shut as we landed.

I wonder how someone can just fall out like that. The only way I can think of is if they were leaning against the door and it wasn't locked properly, but why would someone do that? It definitely seems suspicious. If there was someone else in the back with the guy, I bet the police are looking into their background.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting flymia (Thread starter):
Anyone ever heard of this happening before?

Yes, happened to me twice, different aircraft, both Cessnas, a 152 & a 172. Both were night flights. Both involved two different woman passengers, one I knew very well and one a recent acquaintance. Both were going through issues, (reason for night flights, to lighten their load so to speak). On both flights I felt much cooler air hitting me behind my headset than I should have been experiencing and noticed on both occasions, the RH PAX door was unlatched, (was latched prior to take off). One of them even had her harness off. I don't perform "mercy flights anymore"...Imagine, how could a sole PIC prove he did not push the passenger out of the plane...can't do it.

I remember way back in LIFE magazine an article about a pilot that was circling over his work place I believe he was taking pictures slid out the door to his death. He was flying a Piper Tri Pacer. It happens...


User currently offlinelarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 13):
Anyone have the full N-number on this PA-46? LiveATC has the recording but they only say the last three as N4LD.

In the film you can see 54LD on the side, I haven't been able to locate a matching aircraft



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User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9156 times:

Quoting larshjort (Reply 17):

In the film you can see 54LD on the side, I haven't been able to locate a matching aircraft

Its N164LD owned by Wing Aviation LLC



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 3):
Sounds like a former episode of CSI Miami where this was the plot and that, was intentional.

Actually, sounds like a certain fraudulent mining project in Indonesia.... and a certain geologist who was key the fraud, and who convenielntly "fell" out of a helcopter. Or was pushed. Or faked his death and disappeared (some believe to this day).


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 12):
Regarding the door popping open in a 172 (or any other airplane for that matter) it's a hard thing to accomplish due to the air flow outside of the fuselage.

It is much easier to do in an unpressurized plane at lower altitudes than a pressurized jet at high altitude. You aren't fighting against tons of air pressure in a small plane and I could move the door in the air stream quite easily on both occasions. I needed some work done on the pilot side door on my 172 once. The mechanic put the handle back on the wrong notch so the door would not stay latched in flight. The handle kept popping up enough to unlatch the door. When I showed it to the mechanic he grounded it until it was put back on the right notch. The look on his face showed he was terrified I might fall out. Big enough bump with my seatbelt off for some odd reason and yeah it could have happened.


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting larshjort (Reply 10):
How is it possible to fall out of a Piper Malibu? It is a split door, even if the upper half opens the lower half is still in place. Unless of course the plane was pressurized when the door blew open and the passenger was sucked out.

The pilot did say the guy "opened the door"

"“That’s correct, sir,” the pilot responded. “He opened the backdoor and he just fell down the plane.”

"The pilot’s 1:30 p.m. emergency call from 2,000 feet in the air Thursday set off a frantic, hours-long search for someone who either fell or jumped into waters east of Key Biscayne. The search by Miami-Dade police, fire rescue and the U.S. Coast Guard ended Thursday night without success."

So either he's covering for a homicide or it was suicide, or there was no passenger and this was someone faking their death.


User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

The A/C is N164LD, a 2011 Piper Malibu Mirage registered to Wings of Flight LLC. Listening to the ATC (Miami approach) the frequency is populated by the usual chatter until the pilot issues his "Mayday" call. When ATC asks the pilot to restate the nature of his emergency, the pilot with a heavy hispanic accent, asks for direct Tamiami airport and explains that his passenger opened the rear door and "fell" out.

While a Piper Malibu is a pressurized aircraft (5.5 psi) someone is not sucked-out at 2,000 ft. In fact the pilot very well may have been flying unpressurized. An unsecured light aircraft door makes a a lot of racket racket but opens to a trail position an inch or two into the airstream.

This sounds oddly like a copycat of an accident we had last week over Newport Beach, Ca. In that case pilot Corbin Street, the son of a retired traffic helicopter pilot named Commander Chuck Street, was flying a passenger on a sightseeing flight out of Fullerton airport. Roughly a thousand feet over a surfing beach called The Wedge, the 61-year-old passenger in the Robinson R-44 unbuckled his seat belt and committed suicide by leaping from the helicopter.

The two cases are very similar.

[Edited 2013-11-15 09:24:53]

User currently offlineharleydriver From United States of America, joined May 2010, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

I flew a C152 and a C150 for my private pilot training and on both aircraft the left door would occasionally crack open. I would look to my left clearing for traffic and in my periferal vision see daylight at the door frame. No big deal, just push against the slipstream a bit then pull the door in. It was a little more unsettling during a steep turn and see daylight but I'm strapped in so I would complete the maneuver, level off and close the door.

When I worked for a regional airline in Maine in the '80's we had a Beech 99 that the door popped open in flight and the co-pilot went out with the open door but was able to grab the door and hold on. I can't remember exactly why he was at the door but I believe there was a noise and he tried to secure the handle and it popped open. The captain thought the co-pilot fell out of the airplane and declared an emergency with the location to send emergency response vehicles. They passed over the co-pilots house in Lewiston, Maine and he saw his house as he was hanging from the door. I was working at the hanger in Bangor, Maine when they ferried the plane into Bangor and he had bent the metal of the door. I couldn't believe it but thats adrenaline for you. I knew the guy but I can't remember if he quit after that, something tells me he did.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6128 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5370 times:
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Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):
So either he's covering for a homicide or it was suicide, or there was no passenger and this was someone faking their death.

Assuming the two were alone on the flight, Homicide seems unlikely because the pilot has to fly. Plus, imagine the struggle to push the guy out. Now suicide seems more flexible and covering for it too, as most insurance policies won´t cover suicide. Then again, since he can´t really say what happened, he may just be refraining from using the word "suicide".

However, I´ve heard this type of occurence is rather common.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Quoting harleydriver (Reply 22):
When I worked for a regional airline in Maine in the '80's we had a Beech 99 that the door popped open in flight and the co-pilot went out with the open door but was able to grab the door and hold on.

I remember that...he basically endured the entire flight being pummeled by the slipstream and during the landing phase his head was uncomfortably close to the runway...bet Thanksgiving Day has a whole new meaning to him!


25 Post contains links harleydriver : Your right, I remember the discussions on how close he was to the runway on landing . I found a news article about this incident. http://www.nytimes.
26 maxpower1954 : In 1956, an intoxicated male passenger (who had been denied boarding on a Capital flight) left his seat headed for the lav and instead opened the main
27 DeltaMD90 : My initial thoughts: how would a pilot be able to fly and murder the guy? That would be pretty hard. Also hard to believe a passenger could fall out o
28 flymia : Doubt it. And I am with you I am more towards suicide or faking a death. The man's name has been released and he was from the City of Key Biscayne wh
29 type-rated : A couple of years ago we had a guy come out to start private pilot lessons and when he and the instructor were out in the practice area the guy opened
30 zippyjet : What happened to the plane/rest of the passengers/flight? Sadly that sounds like the tragic scenario of Eastern Flight 411 that crashed into the Ever
31 Post contains links maxpower1954 : Here's the CAB report. Interesting reading! http://ntl1.specialcollection.net/sc...dll?websearch&site=dot_aircraftacc
32 TurbofanMikey : Seems pretty clear it was suicide. It was all over the news down here.
33 Post contains links flymia : Well looks like they found the body. http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/1...ade-police-find-body-believed.html There goes the fake death option. In al
34 skywaymanaz : I can think of a few ways but don't want to give any ideas to the wrong people. Now that the body has been found those ways are probably being looked
35 cptkrell : Maybe a stretch, but could this be the result of incredible stupidity, like hanging out the open door to take some photos to impress your friends? I'd
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