mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32003 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 1): Does RJ have traffic rights already from Austria or did they have them previously ?
They currently hold Austria-U.S. traffic rights, but now to LA/Miami.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2): Asking for an update to bilateral and actually using such rights are two things.
True, but both routes have been rumored for a while now since RJ's entry into OW. Precarious state or not, RJ still has to look at how to maximize it's networks. But I do agree that both these routes seem odd in routing them via Vienna instead of just non-stop.
On one hand neither LA nor Miami seem like the most logical next expansion point for RJ long-haul.
On the other hand, expanding to OW hubs like MIA and LAX could be a safer bet than adding other cities.
thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8892 times:
While before my time in Houston however I believe that RJ (ALIA back then) had a AMM/VIEJFK/IAH service back in the late 70s. While it would be nice to see a return, I suspect that IAH-Middle East is likely at tapped with EK, QR and TK at this point.
thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2214 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
Quoting irishayes (Reply 8): Yeah, right. To compete against two big-leagues in the ME3 that will launch nonstop flights to both cities from AUH and DOH in the near future?
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 10): Haven't yet heard anything about AUH-MIA, but it would be nice.
he meant AUH-LAX with EY, and DOH-MIA with QR, both of which will launch next June.
As for RJ,
Both AMM-LAX and AMM-MIA are doable non stop with the A342. The A332 doesn't have the legs for LAX, but a non stop to MIA is doable.
The only reason why i see them operating via VIE is because they want to tap into the VIE-LAX and VIE-MIA markets, both of which are not served at the moment.
Not saying it will happen, but it might. After all, they do have 11 787s on order. They will need to send these birds somewhere besides HKG, JFK, YUL, DTW, ORD, BKK and KUL, considering that a lot of these routes (if not all) arent daily.
[Edited 2013-11-26 05:19:05]
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4896 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16): The terrible ideas that airlines repeat despite decades of experience otherwise never cease to amaze me. I thought RJ used AMS for flights to the US back in the 90s?
If an airline drops a route because the cost outweighs the revenue side of the operation it would only make sense that they would return if they can lower the cost such as operating a much more efficient airplane. That's my theory at least
What makes you think so? Both cities have large and quite wealthy Middle-Eastern communities, who have strong ties with their countries.
Don't quote me on this, but I seem to recall that YUL has been successful from the very beginning.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6379 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 11): What threat does it pose to OS? None that I can see. OS does not serve either MIA or LAX. I only see positives: More business to VIE. More routes from VIE. And more options for passengers.
A nonstop service by RJ will take away connecting traffic on OS and LH via MUC/FRA/ORD/IAD etc so why on earth would OS want to give traffic away to another airline and alliance ?
I'm not so sure how much clout OS/LH has with Austria but I still doubt that this would happen via VIE.
We will see.
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly...T5, CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
Miami was definitely via Vienna; Chicago was via Amsterdam and I think Detroit used to be via Shannon?
Quoting enilria (Reply 20): Quoting mah4546 (Reply 6):They currently hold Austria-U.S. traffic rights, but now to LA/Miami.
How do they have only Austria rights and not something like Munich or London?
Not all countries negotiate traffic rights with the entire of EU/Switzerland/Norway.
I find it hard to believe MIA can support two Gulf carriers plus RJ. I dont think it can. Unless one of them is being proped up by a government or another subsidy. I think the market can stabilize with QR and RJ, but the market isnt larger nor high yielding enough for all three.
: I agree in theory, but in practice these carriers haven't kicked each other out of small markets yet, and MIA probably won't be any different. I also
: My first thought about RJ service to MIA was TLV. If anything, that is what will keep it going.
: TLV-AMM-VIE-MIA? have a hard time seeing how this can compete with 1 stops by a number of airlines, or combos like LY TLV-CDG & AA CDG-MIA
: There's that option, or they can start 1-stop service to Amman with layovers in random, non-OneWorld European markets and lose buckets of money. Knoc
: Yep. Its pretty much useless unless they can fly AMM-MIA.
: oneWorld member Niki is hubbed in Vienna, is Vienna's second largest carrier, and serves around 45 or so cities from VIE. Not that I think that flyin
: NIKI's market share at VIE is roughly 8.6%. Combined with airberlin, the share is 15.8%. OS is still over three times larger. Based on that data alon
: And? So hub is based purely on market share? I thought it was based on whether or not an airline uses the facility as a primary means of transiting p
: They don't appear to sell 5th freedom traffic on that sector.[Edited 2013-11-26 14:09:13]
: I think he mean cancelling the destinations all together. RJ does have 5th freedom on DTW-YUL, but, as you mentioned, does not sell seats on that sec
: I should have put it in perspective because yes, market share can be misleading. Frequencies. That's a bit more concrete. EasyJet offers more frequen
: Quote : thenoflyzone : Both AMM-LAX and AMM-MIA are doable non stop with the A342. The A332 doesn't have the legs for LAX, but a non stop to MIA is do
: I think most of us can agree that RJ will start MIA first UNLESS RJ has the right aircraft with the right legs to do LAX before MIA or maybe they can
: It would be awesome to get RJ from AMM and VIE at LAX. However, I see it more realistic to restart the service to MIA. RJ would have tough competition
: ExMiami.org is also reporting it. http://exmiami.org/index.php/royal-j...ning-nonstop-miami-vienna-flights/ They said it's likely to be approved..?
: contract was signed now according to derstandard.at really a rather weird thing. as AB is struggling to fill MIA and LAX out of DUS, i am sceptic that
: They are? Never heard that, at least for MIA. Where did you hear/read this? Whether it works or not I agree but they can be a feeder both being membe
: I can't speak for LAX, but you couldn't be more wrong about MIA, where in fiscal year 2013 airberlin averaged a 96% annual load factor.
: I can't say anything for LAX. But AB is NOT struggling at MIA from DUS. They have daily flights with an excellent load factor. That's great news. I t
: A daily flight split between MIA and LAX.