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AA: MIA-BSB/REC/SSA Will Go Red-eye Roundtrip  
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

American has applied to implement changes to its 757 network in Brazil. Destinations that previously had inbound red-eye and outbound daylight service will now enjoy red-eye both ways.

Effective March 31st, 2014:

AA273 752 123456- MIA 2330 REC 0820+1
AA274 752 -234567 REC 2215 MIA 0535+1

AA229 752 1-3-5-7 MIA 2335 SSA 0850+1
AA230 752 12-4-6- SSA 2155 MIA 0530+1

AA213 752 1234567 MIA 2340 BSB 0810+1
AA214 752 1234567 BSB 2250 MIA 0540+1

Source: http://forum.contatoradar.com.br/ind...silia-passam-a-ser-noturnonoturno/

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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Great news!

I think MIA-ASU might go double-redeye, too.



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User currently offlineChrisInBrasil From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Why is red eye preferred? I'd much rather a daylight flight. Is this primarily targeting the business traveler?


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6798 times:

Glad when I had to go to BSB I did it when I could fly during the day. I much preferred the BSB-MIA during the daylight hours.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

Quoting ChrisInBrasil (Reply 2):
Why is red eye preferred? I'd much rather a daylight flight. Is this primarily targeting the business traveler?

I believe it is because higher yield, like business travelers prefer redeyes. With the North South flights with little time change it makes these flights not too bad.



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User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Curious if they'll use the same crews on these flights and make them layover during the day?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6411 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 4):
I believe it is because higher yield, like business travelers prefer redeyes. With the North South flights with little time change it makes these flights not too bad.

Exactly ! And it helps to build the route among business travelers. Next step will be the use of larger planes ( I believe they will do it during World Cup). US soccer team will play in the Northeast and Manaus.



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User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

I do believe this will result in better yields for AA, at least here at BSB. Though what I'd really like to see is an upgauge to 763!

User currently onlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 5):

Curious if they'll use the same crews on these flights and make them layover during the day?


That is correct! Same crews in and out (like their CNF) So much for "glamorous"....


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5971 times:
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As of this month our CNF layover is one and a half days. And that used to be one of the most senior trips on our bid sheet. Flight attendants loved it that way.... in and out the same day. It has nothing to do with glamour. But with productivity. So please get your facts in place....

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2300 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

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As of this month our CNF layover is one and a half days. And that used to be one of the most senior trips on our bid sheet. Flight attendants loved it that way.... in and out the same day. It has nothing to do with glamour. But with productivity. So please get your facts in place....

Productive for some, torture for others.

While "rockets" (as you call them) are productive, they're certainly not healthy nor safe. There's a reason pilots can't do them. But of course there will always be those FAs out there, who work 150 hours a month, and don't care if their health suffers. Everyone has their choice, so be it. How it's even legal is beyond me.



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5626 times:
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Once again, it was one of the most senior trips on the bid sheet. So it couldnt have been that bad. Rockets are still some of the most senior trips on our bid sheet still. And no, not all flight attendants working those trips were flying 150 hours. Some do have a life outside of work and enjoyed maximizing their time off. Some of us have a home we want to go back to as soon as possible. And then some of us enjoy longer layovers. There is some for everybody. And rockets are fine, as long as that is all you fly. If you are not senior enough to hold them regularly, or for any other reason decide to mix day flying with all nighters, then of course you will find yourself not resting properly. But if you stick to rockets, and you get used to them, you dont deprive your body of rest as you are implying. You just cant get there and go out doing stuff you would normally do on a longer layover. You must give rest priority when flying those trips. Unfortunately, people that dont fly them regularly always complaint about the trips not being safe. No trip is safe nor healthy if you dont get the proper rest before the trip. It doesnt matter if your layover is 12 hours or 36 hours. Its how well you can adapt your body to a proper rest schedule that will provide your own system with what it needs in order to perform your duties at 100% capacity.

[Edited 2013-12-09 00:24:26]

User currently offlinejfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Are these additional BSB flights? I'm booked on AA MIA-BSB in June, and the flight numbers are different from what was posted earlier in this thread:

AA243 MIA 2310 BSB 0745 +1
AA248 BSB 0950 MIA 1630

I hope they don't change the timings too much -- I'm headed to Brazil for the World Cup and don't want to miss the matches.


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
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Only thing that might change is your return trip's departure time. Instead of it being a day trip it might be a night trip leaving BSB around 2300 and getting to Miami in the morning.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
While "rockets" (as you call them) are productive, they're certainly not healthy nor safe. There's a reason pilots can't do them. But of course there will always be those FAs out there, who work 150 hours a month, and don't care if their health suffers. Everyone has their choice, so be it. How it's even legal is beyond me.

Indeed. 150 hours per month is truly abismal. I can only imagine what the majority of folks like me working 10+ hour days, sometime on weekend too, must be feeling   


User currently offlineDFWJIM1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
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Hello,

So it looks like the pilots have to lay over in Brasil for over 36 hours. Do the pilots get extra pay/per diem for
such a long stay?

Also does A.A. (and other carriers) try to get hotels close to the airport so the crews can maximize their rest time?

Thanks


User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Just realized I'm in the same boat. I'm booked in AA 243 MIA-BSB in May. This stays the same, it seems, though, even if the number changes.

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Thread starter):
AA273 752 123456- MIA 2330 REC 0820+1
AA274 752 -234567 REC 2215 MIA 0535+1

AA229 752 1-3-5-7 MIA 2335 SSA 0850+1
AA230 752 12-4-6- SSA 2155 MIA 0530+1

AA213 752 1234567 MIA 2340 BSB 0810+1
AA214 752 1234567 BSB 2250 MIA 0540+1

Any reason as of why AA doesn't have later (1hour) departures from MIA and earlier (1hour) departures from Brazil in this new schedule?



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User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting DFWJIM1 (Reply 15):
Also does A.A. (and other carriers) try to get hotels close to the airport so the crews can maximize their rest time?

Not sure how it works in other cities, but here in BSB they usually stay downtown. A 10-15 minute ride from the airport. Last time I was in Rio, I stayed in a hotel very far away from GIG, and during my stay I encountered several crews from TP, CM and, if I remember correctly, DL.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting reffado (Reply 7):

I do believe this will result in better yields for AA, at least here at BSB.

It must be not "better" yields but "great yields" to offset the parking of the acft for the entire day…...



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User currently offlinereffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 19):

Indeed! But it must be worth it, as DL currently does this.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting jfidler (Reply 12):
Are these additional BSB flights? I'm booked on AA MIA-BSB in June, and the flight numbers are different from what was posted earlier in this thread:

AA243 MIA 2310 BSB 0745 +1
AA248 BSB 0950 MIA 1630

I hope they don't change the timings too much -- I'm headed to Brazil for the World Cup and don't want to miss the matches.

AA is applying before the Brazilian government to have the schedule changed, including the flight numbers. I posted an application, which ultimately is what AA is trying to implement.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
Any reason as of why AA doesn't have later (1hour) departures from MIA and earlier (1hour) departures from Brazil in this new schedule?

WHat do you mean?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 21):
WHat do you mean?

Less time on the tarmac?
Less time at MIA immigration / customs for arriving passengers?



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 14):
Indeed. 150 hours per month is truly abismal. I can only imagine what the majority of folks like me working 10+ hour days, sometime on weekend too, must be feeling

I recognize that it's sarcasm, but for every hour on the clock, roughly one to two are spent off the clock yet on work related duties. I don't know if it's the same for flight attendants, but pilots are only paid when the airplane is away from the gate. It's not a valid comparison to a job where the office is not a moving vehicle.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11120 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Interesting news. This should only further strengthen AA's presence in these markets. Wouldn't be surprised to see SSA and REC go daily at some point, and absent an ATI/JV with TAM, MIA-FOR, too.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
Any reason as of why AA doesn't have later (1hour) departures from MIA and earlier (1hour) departures from Brazil in this new schedule?

This schedule is optimized for connections in MIA - these MIA departures and arrivals are timed with the bank of other late night (almost all after 2300) departures and early morning (almost all before 0600) arrivals.


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