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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 56  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14972 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LVI
"Tribute to Ilopango International Airport, El Salvador"

ICAO designator: MSSS
Elevation: 2018 feet
Latitude: 13° 41' 58.17" N
Longitude: 089° 07' 11.50" W
Runway ID: 15/33.
Dimensions: 7349 x 148 feet




Celebrating the 7th anniversary of the Cent Am aviation thread, let’s turn the introduction of its home page, speaking about former regional airports and El Salvador is our first step.
Ilopango International Airport served the city of San Salvador until the late 70s, when it was replaced by the current Comalapa International Airport which lies more than 40 kilometers from downtown.
Ilopango handled several main-line carriers in the past: AVIATECA, TACA, LACSA, COPA, IBERIA, SAHSA, Pan Am and offering direct flights as far as Madrid, New York and Los Angeles.
MSSS is currently utilized for military and private operations. It’s nestled on the eastern side of San Salvador.








Edited on December 12th 2013.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

I probably flew on that TA BAC1-11 more time than I can count. Ahhhh the good ole days of real power in the engines   


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14904 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
TA BAC1-11

Here's one more picture concerning to the TACA BAC 1-11.
I'm not sure if it was taken at MSSS.
Based on some sources, the former TACA operated such fleet from 1966 till 1990.



Registered as YS-17C.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-12-12 17:26:20]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14870 times:

Both TA and Lacsa had B1-11. Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.


I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.

I do remember Aviateca had them. People called the La Papaya Voladora.


Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14844 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 4):
I do remember Aviateca had them. People called the La Papaya Voladora.

I flew on one (SAP-GUA) but it was not "La Papaya Voladora". This one still had the prior operator's color scheme (Court Line).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.

I believe Tan operated a B-111 as a pool with Lanica back in the early 70's (they also pooled a CV-880).


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too

Plenty of them:





Speaking about LACSA, I can almost remember the names used on their BAC 1-11s related to some of the national volcanos during the late 70s: Poas, Arenal, Miravalles...




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 4):
I do remember Aviateca had them

Tikal Jets also used to operate the BAC 1-11


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14816 times:

For those who want to expand the BAC 1-11 era in Central America:

http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/bac1-11j...ntral%20america%20chile%20peru.htm

Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
Tikal Jets also used to operate the BAC 1-11

Wasn't that Dc9-50s?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14567 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 8):
Wasn't that Dc9-50s?

Tikal Jets operated both the DC-9 and the BAC 1-11. The photos are loaded in the database.
Based on the source coming from my last post, two BAC 1-11s were involved on Tikal Jets: TG-TJK and TG-TJF.

Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14377 times:

With DLs LAX-LIR/BZE starting this weekend…..do we know how LAX-SJO has been doing? LAX -BZE looks to be out of the gates well LF wise…..first couple of flights seem to be full, yields are probably trashy as with any startup though.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14197 times:

a birdy has told that 9N has finally secured a "twin" for delivery next year and will announce one or two new routes once the aircraft is on property.

that would take it to 16 or 17 destinations.

Contenders for service would be GCM, HAV, TGU, GUA, MID and maybe even SAL. There was a mexican newspaper article a few months ago stating that MID would be announced once approvals were received.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14122 times:

from today´s Prensa: Tráfico de Copa aumenta 16.7% - CM traffic increase 16.7% from Jan to Nov.   

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/trafico-copa-aumenta-167/245843



On the run !!!
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13949 times:

Photo of inaugural LAX-BZE this morning……every last seat full.

Anyone got a photo of the LAX-LIR inaugural?




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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13761 times:

Summary of 2014, in terms of the Central American civil aviation


January 02: TA SAL-MDE 3x E90 NEW + TA SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly
February 23: TA GUA-MEX 2x weekly, CANCELED
April 01: Tropic Air CUN-BZE 6x, NEW
April 01: Panama has Open Skies with Chile, Peru, USA, Curacao, Guatemala and Nicaragua
April 13: UA IAD-SJO 738. 1x, NEW
April 13: UA IAD-GUA 738. 1x, NEW Disc: August 24
April 13: UA ORD-SJO 738. 1x, NEW
May 01: Tropic Air: BZE-FRS 7x + BZE-CUN 6x + BZE-SAP 7x
May 17: LR SJO-LAX + LR SJO-HAV + LR SJO-JFK + LR SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO + LR SJO-MTY + LR SJO-PTY + LR SJO-PTY-MDE. ALL CANCELED
June 27: B6 SJO-FLL 320. 7x weekly, NEW
July 01: DL SJO-LAX 7x weekly 757, NEW
July 10: CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly 73G, NEW
August 27: AM TAP-GUA, 3x ERJ, NEW
August 31: TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB 3x, CANCELED
November 01: AV GUA-BOG 4x, NEW
November 04: AM TAP-GUA 3x, NEW
November 08: AV SAL-EWR 4x, NEW
November 20: Tropic Air BZE-RTB 1x to 3x
November 22: AA JFK-SJO 7x, RESUMED
November 23: AA DFW-RTB 1x 738, NEW
November 25: AF CDG-PTY 3x 772, NEW
December 05: V0 CCS-PTY-MGA 1x E90, NEW + V0 CCS-PTY 6x E90, NEW
December 16: CM PTY-TPA 4x, NEW
December 19: DL JFK-SJO 7x, NEW Disc March 30
December 21: DL MSP-SJO 1x 757; Disc March 29, DL LAX-BZE 1x 738 320, DL JFK-GUA 1x 73W, DL LAX-LIR 1x 738, DL JFK-LIR 1x, NEW

Merry Christmas to everyone !   



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13727 times:

Nice Summary SJOtoLIR

Some that you forgot
November 21: TAG/CM GUA-SAP Saab340 5x NEW
November 21: TAG/CM GUA-TGU Saab340 5x NEW
December 21: UA GUA-IAD 738 Restarted (maybe seasonal)


This is a duplicated.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
August 27: AM TAP-GUA, 3x ERJ, NEW

This is the correct one.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
November 04: AM TAP-GUA 3x, NEW

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

Update on CM BOS-PTY

Massport released November 2013 traffic: http://www.massport.com/media/232263/november-2013.pdf

It was not the best month for the route: 60.4% load factor.


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13701 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
With DLs LAX-LIR/BZE starting this weekend…..do we know how LAX-SJO has been doing?

Well IMO its been doing pretty good every time i look up the flights to go surfing down there its always around 90% load factor or higher at sometimes I've only went once on DL so far and the flight was awesome..Only thing i didn't like was trying to wake up early and drive to the airport from the pacific beach areas is kinda rough since DL departs in the early hours in the morning...


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13654 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
DL LAX-BZE 1x 738 320

actually will be a mix of 738/319/320. Last week was 320, next three weeks 319, then 738, then 319 comes back in Feb, then 320 in March…..and it is not LF driven…..for example Jan 4 flights have been overbooked since early Nov yet it is a 319, so it must be tied to the eqp on the upstream route funding the flight.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13646 times:
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LAX-Central America is a massive market. I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie. GUA could very well support another carrier on the route. The 2 daily flights are always ridiculously packed.


avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13623 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 19):
I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie

The former Continental flew the LAX-SAL back in 2009, during the US summer break as 4x weekly or so.
They didn't resume that segment later.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 19):
LAX-Central America is a massive market. I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie. GUA could very well support another carrier on the route. The 2 daily flights are always ridiculously packed.

I agree except UA's west base now is SFO….and that is a much smaller market.

I think you will see DL stick out some packed planes & low yield scenarios this time on LAX-BZE/SJO/LIR in the hopes of turning them into the sort of gems that LAX-GUA has become for them. YOu see the first signs of that as those flights are loaded as Year round, not seasonal like MSP-SJO. You may even see them add SAP/PTY/MGA if the experiment starts to look promising. Notice I did not mention SAL….SAL is a huge market from LAX but AV got very defensive and piled on the frequencies when DL came sniffing.

Don't forget that there is also a good deal of C.America - Asia traffic (esp TPE and CAN) so if DL does its homework properly it can start to benefit from that traffic too. I was at the inaugural BZE-LAX on Sat and there were pax there going to TPE, CAN, and NGO.

IF DL can get build a beachhead at LAX regarding C. America, then the will have nice complement to its SEA efforts.

HAving said all of that, AV and CM will not take encroachment lightly and will surely react if due course.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

Guess everyone has gone on xmas hiatus!

Just putting a post to keep the thread from being archived until you guys get chatty again 



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13234 times:

Jajaja

Well volcano Chaparrastique has erupted in El Salvador and some flights have been cancelled some have delayed in SAL.
The best for all the persons affected.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13027 times:

Any update on SAL ops for AV?


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25 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Minimum wage increase criticised From www.prensa.com in Spanish CM was hardly hit by Panama National Assembly Dec 30 when the regime forced at least a
26 juanchito : Everything is operating normally from Dec 30. Juanchito
27 MGASJO : Por otro lado, en el mercado de aviación, los tripulantes de cabina que antes disponían de un salario de $2.36 por hora o $453.12 mensuales, ahora v
28 viaggiare : Whoa! Just imagine how hard their cabin crew must've been hit all along, considering the canasta básica (basic food basket) alone in Panamá costs a
29 MGASJO : Math beats me on this one. 453.12 a month at 2.36 an hour is 192 hours! Is that real, or even allowed?
30 viaggiare : Comes to 24 eight–hour (jornada diurna) days.
31 2travel2know2 : Has anybody care to ask how much incidentals CM crew get every-time when they have to stay one or more nights outside PTY? Or the fringe benefits the
32 viaggiare : Incidentals allowance is different from salary.. crews can't count on it or budget for it. Non–rev standby tickets notwithstanding, Copa still can
33 Post contains links viaggiare : Some weird bug prevented me from posting toward the end of the previous thread.. no surprise there as the entire website, rife with outdated and heavi
34 Post contains images viaggiare : So how's the beach at LIR these days?
35 bjorn14 : Viaggiare...that was my bad. As it turns out its an airline in India flying E-Jets.
36 yellowtail : I bet 9N is considering increasing its RTB-BZE frequencies right about now….those flights are going out full to the gills (in both directions). I gu
37 juanchito : I was playing with Avianca website and found this new flight Starts January 29 daily between Guatemala and San Jose El vuelo sera operado por Airbus A
38 shaq : You have no clue of what you're talking about my friend. I have people in Copa and haven't heard of the "incidentals you are talking about. Copa is h
39 yellowtail : Not defending the CM low salaries, but this is the Biggest misconception about the industry ever. It does indeed cost the airline…..fuel, on board
40 bjorn14 : Empty airline seats may be industrial waste but someone still has to haul it away.
41 2travel2know2 : All seats on a commercial flight are perishable, any empty seat is a seat not sold and should - most of the times - be considered a loss.
42 yellowtail : As someone who does a "little" work in the industry and with a few airlines….the ones that I know have accounting for non-rev seats….and actually
43 yellowtail : Looks like AA is increasing Roatan substantially according to the OAG thread. Must be doing well for them
44 SJOtoLIR : I stand corrected. Analyzing carefully their actual schedules, as a matter of fact the eastbound flight called IB SJO-MAD leaves San Jose the Saturda
45 SkyBird77 : Seems they are adding additional flights from DFW and MIA. I wonder if there is any Northeast based tour (scuba) operator that could make JFK / EWR -
46 yellowtail : Sunwing and CanJet demographics are a much different market than the relatively high yielding scuba market. Miami must work from RTB….all the resid
47 adamh8297 : You can get away with charging 800 in coach when the diving is cheaper. Same goes for CZM (though there are alternatives via CUN) and BON. BOS used t
48 2travel2know2 : IMHO, If the tour operator really puts pressure, UA EWR-RTB once per week high season may happen. If not that much pressure, UA may be keen to fly IA
49 adamh8297 : EWR-RTB has been run seasonally in the past but it doesn't look to be happening for W14.
50 SkyBird77 : Thanks for your insight! I guess it does make sense for AA to just increase frequency over here to MIA than add a JFK flight. I remember TA operating
51 yellowtail : Tour Operator (at least the kinds that operate to RTB) means zero to UA. Now, seat guarantees maybe. I don't see IAD-RTB will never happen. might be
52 dlflynhayn : Well I'm from Hawaii and its hard for me to like any other surf destination other than my homeland,but Costa rica is by far my favorite place to go.I
53 Post contains images viaggiare : According to La Nación AV/TA has capitulated and is pulling the plug on SJO-MIA (used to be LACSA's darling route) effective next week. It's all down
54 MGASJO : I bet AA, NK will request a new frequency sooner than later!
55 SJOtoLIR : As a result, SJO-GUA will be gradually increased as follows: January 29: AV SJO-GUA 7x to 12x weekly February 17: AV SJO-GUA 12x to 14x weekly Since
56 yellowtail : GUA-LAX seems to be a license to print money for the carriers on the route. AV and DL.
57 bjorn14 : Just wondering if LAS is a good destination for CentAms?
58 SkyBird77 : Will AV begin to pull the plug on other Central America - MIA routes and just move it all through SAL?
59 avi8 : They reduced GUA-MIA to 3 weekly and eliminated TGU-MIA as well as SJO-MIA. Why they are keeping GUA-MIA is beyond me. Let's see how long the others
60 2travel2know2 : Panamanians love LAS but that's not the real reason why CM flies double daily there.
61 bjorn14 : What's the other reason(s) CM flies to LAS?
62 avi8 : Who doesn't like Las Vegas? I'm sure some of the demand for the route comes from PTY but what actually fills the plane is the chunk of routes from al
63 yellowtail : Cause LAS makes money for CM I would bet they are trying to keep the route authority or something. There are also a number of sizeable cargo contract
64 aer : Don't think so, or else they wouldn't have canceled GUA-MEX, GUA-ORD, or GUA-CUN.
65 juanchito : Today Aerolineas Sosa started flying with a mix of Saab 340 and CRJ200 5 weekly SAP-GUA-SAP and 7 weekly TGU-GUA-TGU Aircraft utilization will be. TGU
66 yellowtail : That is horrible utilisation on the CRJ…..wish them the best. Looks like (according to the OAG thread) UA is throwing in the towel on IAD-SAL after
67 avi8 : Maybe not that interesting but DL is switching the morning flight GUA-ATL from a 73G to a 757 on a daily basis.This means that on Saturdays DL will fl
68 yellowtail : NIce. probably helps with crew rotation issues at GUA. Also know the DL cargo folks were adamant about needing the 752 there…..guess there are some
69 juanchito : Hopefully good, they started with a 737-700 and now they have a 757-200 Juanchito
70 SJOtoLIR : A new surprise for Guanacaste: Frontier Airlines is already operating the Chicago O’ Hare - Liberia service and complementing UA ORD-LIR 2x weekly;
71 2travel2know2 : If AA had a face, we could all imagine what it'd look like after hearing those news. No or only token Star Alliance presence on GUA/MGA/SJO-MIA non-s
72 yellowtail : I checked some random advance loads and it didn't look that hot. but maybe it is a late booking market. IMHO, the move to a 752 is driven by crew /ca
73 yellowtail : Looks like 9N is increasing RTB-BZE….i guess we'll see an announcement soon. There is a teaser of sorts on their FB page.
74 SJOtoLIR : UA used to bear its code in all the flights liking Central America and Miami on the former TACA. These reductions on AV [Central America-Miami] is un
75 yellowtail : It is up on their Facebook page now….. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/340653164591
76 greenmow : Copa announces Montreal, Fort Lauderdale and Georgetown, Guyana starting July 2014. PTY-YUL x4/week, starting July 3 PTY-FLL x4/week, starting July 11
77 Post contains images yellowtail : All I can say on behalf of Belize is As a market GEO is tremendously underserved and so makes sense…especially if it means connections to anything
78 2travel2know2 : So PTY-YYZ doesn't go daily but CM opens PTY-YUL. Surely CM was given YUL frequencies but no YYZ and without hesitation grabbed those. PTY-FLL is qui
79 yellowtail : Also if CM didn't open FLL, B6 would. this is probably as much as a preemptive strike than anything else
80 georgiabill : How is CM performing on their PTY KBOS route? Any chance of seeing CM fly PTY to MYR? I would think the route might have alot of potential.
81 SJOtoLIR : Iquitos, Peru is also underserved from abroad. However, CM IQT-PTY is still operating as 2x weekly. . NK FLL-PTY is barely operating as thrice a week
82 yellowtail : I popular rumors are true IQT is the worse performing station for CM…even worse than LIR. IMHO, the need to add frequencies to make it more attract
83 SJOtoLIR : The coming CM PTY-GEO is once again opting for the shy 2x weekly service. What's the sense in that ? On the contrary, CM PTY-LAS is solidly operating
84 2travel2know2 : It's very likely CM will keep under-performer PTY-IQT as CM is looking to increase frequencies to LIM and probably open CIX and AQP in the near futur
85 yellowtail : I would agree. If you going to take the risk, you might as well go all in (min 4X) and give the route the optimal chance to succeed. Capture the enti
86 Post contains links mt99 : Lord have mercy. http://www.lapagina.com.sv/nacionale...con-los-que-operara-en-El-Salvador And it gets worse http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...le
87 Wayfarer515 : And why would these be any bad news? Its time to break the monopoly of Avianca in Central America, and its also time someone pays tribute to a man wh
88 yellowtail : I would say it is a doupoloy. BTW, does anyone know if the airport closer to downtown San Salvador is open to intentional traffic…like business avi
89 mt99 : Agreed. Something of importance should be named after him. He recently got a Highway named after him (among many other things). There is no need for
90 Wayfarer515 : Oh, so went its ALBA its called intervention, so the IMF, World Bank, USAID, those are the good guys right? So in that case its called help. Funny th
91 mt99 : Does the IMF, World Back and USAID have branded Supermarkets, Gas Stations, Hospitals, Banks and manufacturing plants? Have you seen a World Bank Sup
92 Wayfarer515 : Nope, but I've seen Tela Railroad Company, Standard Fruit Company,etc. using Nemagon, DDT, etc. on people who until today suffer from cancer. I've al
93 mt99 : Again - To fix whatever issues there are is not a matter of "payback" - its a matter of stopping influence from both sides equally. People need to st
94 yellowtail : Has anyone actually seen the schedule for PTY-GEO from CM? I only have seen FLL and YUL since the announcement.
95 Post contains links mt99 : RE: VECA Airlines.. here is a good article on how it is getting funded "Un hallazgo de la investigación fue el del otorgamiento de un préstamo de 14
96 Wayfarer515 : Wow, corrupt politicians favoring some oligarchs in one country...where have I seen this before??? Maybe you should find out a little bit more of how
97 mt99 : No one is negating the past. It should be accepted, noted, learned from. The funny thing is that now you are advocating for the same thing to happen
98 aer : Oh look we've diverted from the core topic...
99 SJOtoLIR : I did a research in some reliable GDS sources and found nothing.
100 Wayfarer515 : Sorry to divert, going back on topic, any news about how SOSA did on their inaugural flights to Guatemala City? I think if they hang on they might be
101 yellowtail : Their utilisation on the expensive to operate CRJ is going to be horrible. Even if the plane is full, the numbers say they can't make any money. I wi
102 juanchito : Do you have the cost of operations of this CRJ? Introduction rates are $399.00. Avianca now has rates beginning USD250.00 when they usually charge st
103 yellowtail : AV is via SAL right? Let the blood bath begin. Hope the consumers enjoy it while it lasts. AV must feel like they are under attack from so many niche
104 mt99 : Niche players with bad CRJ utilization? AV is just putting the sucker punch - As you said: Self inflicted wound
105 yellowtail : By the way Wayfarer515 . Welcome to A.net!
106 aer : They still have the GU ATR flight that's direct to TGU and SAP from GUA.
107 juanchito : That is correct daily flights to both TGU and SAP Juanchito
108 Wayfarer515 : Don't discard the "jet" factor, many people I know would not dare to fly on a turboprop, but have no problem flying on a jet. That said, economics wi
109 yellowtail : Much higher in their case one you take stuff like this into consideration.
110 yellowtail : As per the OAG thread DL ATL-BZE JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1 DL ATL-MGA JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1 DL ATL-PTY JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1 DL AT
111 2travel2know2 : Are there any extra high season flights between ATL and PTY? Didin't DL keep PTY daily only year-around?
112 avi8 : I think this would be the first time in a long time ATL-PTY gets increased. DL is really upping its game in Central America.
113 SkyBird77 : Nice to have a fellow "Catracho" in this thread!
114 Wayfarer515 : Thanks my fellow compatriot, are we the only 2 catrachos in A.net? I'd expect there would be more of us. BTW are you living in the USA?
115 SkyBird77 : I'm not sure if we are the only ones. As far as I've seen, you are the first to fly the flag. I don't know if the Honduran Aviation guys on You Tube
116 yellowtail : 9N announced BZE-MID today. March 3rd start. MWF to start. Looks like the schedule allows pax to connect to FRS, GUA, RTB, SAP too. release is on thei
117 Post contains images SkyBird77 : What is the connection between Tropic and CM Airlines? Do they share the same ownership? LCE and TGU?
118 yellowtail : Only a commercial agreement to feed passengers to each other. thats it. LCE is probably way way down the list. IMHO ….PBR (Puerto Barrios) would ha
119 SJOtoLIR : AV BOG-PTY 21x weekly will deploy soon the wide-body Airbus A330-200 as follows: AV BOG-PTY: 14x 319 + 7x 320. Discontinued: March 31st AV BOG-PTY: 14
120 shaq : Wow. I didnt now that AV received so much feed from PTY! One more widebody service, good for us!
121 luisde8cd : I'm almost certain that this is due to the Venezuela cash issues, so the A330 got redeployed from CCS to PTY for the time being...
122 yellowtail : yep, and they gotta keep the 330 flying in between long haul runs. Will look nice at PTY. Too bad it won't be there when AF, KL, TP, IB are on the gr
123 Post contains images juanchito : Another Airbus A340 from Iberia broken in GUA And the World Cup MD83 Juanchito
124 SkyBird77 : Is this the reason Iberia operated an A340-600 on the SAL-MAD flight last night (Thursday)? The reason I ask is that while I was monitoring Flightrad
125 IBERIA747 : Wow, that makes 2 within just a couple of months. A few weeks ago, EC-GLE suffered a birdstrike during take off from SAL to MAD, and the crew decided
126 IBERIA747 : Not necessarily. IB has been using A346s quite often on the MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD and MAD-PTY-MAD routes in the last few months. PTY will also start gettin
127 SJOtoLIR : The BOG-PTY sector [was / is] the stellar route for [Copa Airlines / Copa Airlines Colombia], in terms of passengers mobilized. CM PTY-BOG dispatches
128 2travel2know2 : While CM goes for frequency, AV goes for adding capacity with wide body aircraft.
129 yellowtail : All things being equal, the 330 would be sweet ride PTY-BOG and would be my choice.
130 luisde8cd : Guys, as much as I love PTY, you have to understand that AV is sending the A330 to PTY because of the Venezuela cash issues. That A330 used to fly BO
131 SJOtoLIR : Iberia is gradually solving their shortage of wide-bodies by means of six brand-new 330s in 2013. Four of them have been nick-named as follows: ......
132 yellowtail : Guess the don't plan on pulling out of SAL anytime soon!
133 FlyingSicilian : I see it reported that Tropic air will start BZE-Merida service thrice weekly, and increase Roatan service (which yellowtail mentioned earlier).
134 yellowtail : Yes…BZE-MID starts March 3, MWF service. RTB-BZE has been upgraded to 4Xweekly (vs 3) effective this week. And it is widely reported that both CUN-
135 FlyingSicilian : LOL Tropic Air, the Emirates of Cessnas
136 SkyBird77 : Yellowtail, Do you know if they've had the presentation and any outcome? It's always good to see some competition going on (against AV/TA). Any other
137 yellowtail : ROUTES starts this Sunday and runs thru Tues evening. Don't know what day they will be presenting, but I will be there and give you a full report. BT
138 SJOtoLIR : Is [BZE-CUN] the stellar international service on 9N, in terms of passengers mobilized on a weekly basis ?
139 SkyBird77 : Thanks! Look forward to your comments!
140 yellowtail : I think it does well enough and is growing slowly. From what I hear RTB has been a real (good) surprise. I guess they are hoping to summon the mojo a
141 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines increases their services in Brazil during the 2014 World Cup. CM PTY-MAO 7x weekly. The 73G replaces the E90. Effective: June 21 to June
142 Post contains links juanchito : Starting March 20 TAG will start service between GUA and Ilopango. http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47654&idArt=8582978 Juanc
143 yellowtail : So guys, what are the odds we see AV back at MSY? Can 9N be far behind on BZE-llopango…..TA LFs to BZE are high and fares higher….. VECA may not e
144 2travel2know2 : So it looks like REC, CNF and POA don't have that much FIFA Brazil 2014 fan demand. It's amazing PTY-GRU will go 5 times per day, even if only for se
145 bjorn14 : Just curious any chance for an 'Open Skies' for intra-CentAm flying?
146 2travel2know2 : European Community-style open-skies or bilateral open skies? Right now Panama has open-skies (in paper) with all of Central America except El Salvado
147 SJOtoLIR : Both Copa Airlines and Star Alliance are not properly connected to these Brazilian airports for the 2014 FIFA World Cup, since JJ is now engaged with
148 yellowtail : It never too late…….have you see the PDEWS between MSY and Central America? Its not MIA but its not shabby.
149 SkyBird77 : I was surprised that TA/AV is no longer at MSY. I remember back in the 70's and 80's, when I would connect at MSY on my way to TGU (on Sahsa), you wo
150 2travel2know2 : The demand is there, definitely for a MSY-SAP but neither AV nor UA are interested to fly that route. If TA returns to MSY as AV it'll be from SAL an
151 SJOtoLIR : AV SJO-JFK will apparently resume their services from March 16th. VIva Colombia might be SJO bound. The intended airline mentioned before and called "
152 SJOtoLIR : Update: The resume of the New York City service out of San Jose will be route as AV [SJO-SAL-JFK] 7x weekly and following the predominant "red-eye" s
153 avi8 : Does anyone know when Iberia's A330's start flying to PTY??
154 SJOtoLIR : Detailed schedule on AV SJO-SAL-JFK AV 670.....SJO 17:00........SAL 18:15............Daily AV 670.....SAL 19:50........JFK 02:35+1........Daily AV 671
155 SJOtoLIR : UA modified their frequencies from both Chicago and Washington: UA ORD-SJO 2x weekly. Discontinued: March 31 UA IAD-SJO 3x weekly. Discontinued: March
156 Post contains links juanchito : Avianca suspends San Jose - Caracas http://globovision.com/articulo/aero...de-vuelos-entre-san-jose-y-caracas Juanchito
157 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : LH to fly 5 times per week FRA-PTY from www.prensa.com in Spanish At the Berlin Tourism Fair the Panama Tourist Authority and LH got to an agreement o
158 yellowtail : Wow, So PTY will have LH, TP, IB, AF, KL…only BA missing! Seriously though, can PTY support this much EU service…..even huge cities with very heal
159 SJOtoLIR : AV SJO-CCS 7x weekly will be suspended on April 07th whilst AV BOG-CCS will be downgraded from 21x to 7x weekly on April 01st. From April 01st, AV BO
160 aer : Should've done ORD-GUA, when TA originally flew it SJO was a tag on (before changing the tag on to SAL), but most of the traffic was to GUA.
161 2travel2know2 : People in the travel/tourism sector here keep saying BA will come after IB goes daily. I think that if BA does fly here, the other airlines flying be
162 yellowtail : BA did say they are looking at 4 788 destinations in the Americas. People took that to mean USA and Canada. But might be PAnama. NZ would do just fin
163 yellowtail : Anyone know how DLs LAX-SJO/LIR flights are doing? LAX-BZE has done really well (except for a brief breather in late Jan)….according to their seat m
164 SJOtoLIR : Does UA EWR-GUA still operate today? UA ORD-GUA 1x weekly might work in the future. Speaking about GUA, my point is that UA would hardly fly from Chi
165 juanchito : UA is flying know IAH-GUA-IAH 22 weekly EWR-GUA-EWR 4 weekly KIAD-GUA-EWR 3 weekly I think they could start a weekly flight to ORD maybe two weekly.
166 yellowtail : I keep hearing reports here in BZE that local UA staff (CTO etc) have been given a directive to push BZE-EWR hard , even if it is to the detriment of
167 SJOtoLIR : TAME from Ecuador will definitely suspend EQ GYE-PTY 7x weekly with E90 which is bearing the CM code. Effective: March 16th. As a result, the segment
168 yellowtail : AS per the OAG thread…. *DL JFK-GUA SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.2>0 *DL LAX-SAL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>
169 copa330200 : didn´t know TAME was "using" CM code on this route, do you know if they have further coperations for "local" Ecuador routes or it was only GYE - PTY
170 juanchito : That is weird they did not operate that route on Sep, Oct and Nov last year. They started the route on Dec 21. The flight is bookable in Delta.com I
171 SJOtoLIR : EQ PTY-UIO 3x weekly and EQ PTY-GYE started in 2010 and less than one year onward, both CM and EQ signed a mutual code-share agreement. I only watche
172 SJOtoLIR : DL 433........LAX 00:10...........SAL 06:10............Daily...........737 DL 436........SAL 07:20...........LAX 11:35............Daily...........737
173 RootsAir : Anyone got news of the Costa Rican project of new airport in Cascajal ? the main issue is the road to get there which is a shame, as that airport is n
174 juanchito : El Salvador airport will change it's name to "Monseñor Óscar Arnulfo Romero y Galdámez" I think it is a bad idea. Juanchito
175 yellowtail : Thats a mouthful!
176 2travel2know2 : Most likely the airport will be known as Aeropuerto Internacional Monseñor Romero but it'll take a whole generation to get that name used by everybo
177 CM767 : Any news on the Ticos or Tica Air ?, I see Major confusions with the names for the passengers.
178 yellowtail : Dunno about those but VECA has applied for some counter space at SAP.
179 Post contains images mt99 : "Bad idea" is a gross understatement
180 juanchito : It was discuss last week and today this means that Delta will maintain the weekly route and increase it to two weekly on November. Juanchito
181 yellowtail : Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL JFK-GUA SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1 NOV 0>0.2 So filing error last week? They are not increasing it to 2X in No
182 SkyBird77 : ... And SAP as "La Mesa" when it's been "Ramon Villeda Morales" for over 40 years.
183 Mah4546 : They suck. MSYSAP is the largest and it's barely 10 PDEW. MSYBZE is 3 PDEW.
184 FlyingSicilian : Who can all fly through Houston (or MIA/DFW). Though to be fair there are dozens of folks heading to SAP that take buses from New Orleans to IAH to c
185 yellowtail : If you check with the really nice folks at the MSY airport (you know who you are!) they will tell you that the PDEW between MSY and (all of) Central
186 Mah4546 : Am I going to believe the nice folks at MSY, or actual MIDT numbers? I'll take the latter. MSY-Central America is barely 25PDEW.
187 Post contains images yellowtail : Well it would appear that I have two sets of conflicting information here…. Could it be that you are both right and it is how you spin it to promot
188 Mah4546 : If there is a lot of charter traffic on the route, then it would not be accounted for in those numbers.
189 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : Hi, there ! The intended airport is still in a very preliminary stage. I've been hearing about this ambitious project for almost 25 years and nothing
190 2travel2know2 : Panama Tourist Authority #2, Tito Orillac announced on his social media yesterday that IB will increase frequencies from 5 per week up to daily in a c
191 Post contains images copa330200 : excellent news !!! interesting it they will change to A330 from current A340. btw, any idea about AF loads ?? KL seems to be very solid, i.e. few wee
192 Post contains links CM767 : http://economia.terra.com.co/grupo-a...05410VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html According to this link, loads are very good, they plan to add one frequency
193 Post contains links copa330200 : from today's Prensa: http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/mas-vuelos-paris/300803 based on the information, CDG - PTY is having 90% loads with 80% b
194 2travel2know2 : What?! Is that 80% really PTY bound passengers or passengers connecting w/CM with long lay-overs? Well. talking about SkyTeam airlines, lets see if A
195 yellowtail : At some point PTY -EUROPE has to flatten out with all this capacity…..jsut not sustainable. I realise that there is a lot of trade, CM hub etc but
196 2travel2know2 : Asian airlines will need Boeing 787 to fly non-stop and those routes could be some of the world longest. Even with CM hub, ultra long-haul might not
197 Post contains images copa330200 : that's correct however we are not sure what is the roof yet Now, what I do understand is that most of the people traveling via PTY/doing conections a
198 SJOtoLIR : TAP from Portugal has unveiled their plans to start serving Panama City as shown: TP 131......LIS 12:00..........BOG 15:55...........Mo, Tu, Th, Sa...
199 SJOtoLIR : IB MAD-PTY 5x will be gradually upgraded to 6x weekly on June 02nd. This route will be served by a mix of 330 and 340, in a near future. It has been a
200 yellowtail : does the 333 take a peaty hit on MAD - PTY
201 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The new edition is already loaded: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 57 (by SJOtoLIR Apr 8 2014 in Civil Aviation) Mods, please lock this extinct
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