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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 56  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14847 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LVI
"Tribute to Ilopango International Airport, El Salvador"

ICAO designator: MSSS
Elevation: 2018 feet
Latitude: 13° 41' 58.17" N
Longitude: 089° 07' 11.50" W
Runway ID: 15/33.
Dimensions: 7349 x 148 feet




Celebrating the 7th anniversary of the Cent Am aviation thread, let’s turn the introduction of its home page, speaking about former regional airports and El Salvador is our first step.
Ilopango International Airport served the city of San Salvador until the late 70s, when it was replaced by the current Comalapa International Airport which lies more than 40 kilometers from downtown.
Ilopango handled several main-line carriers in the past: AVIATECA, TACA, LACSA, COPA, IBERIA, SAHSA, Pan Am and offering direct flights as far as Madrid, New York and Los Angeles.
MSSS is currently utilized for military and private operations. It’s nestled on the eastern side of San Salvador.








Edited on December 12th 2013.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14811 times:

I probably flew on that TA BAC1-11 more time than I can count. Ahhhh the good ole days of real power in the engines   


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14779 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
TA BAC1-11

Here's one more picture concerning to the TACA BAC 1-11.
I'm not sure if it was taken at MSSS.
Based on some sources, the former TACA operated such fleet from 1966 till 1990.



Registered as YS-17C.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-12-12 17:26:20]


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14745 times:

Both TA and Lacsa had B1-11. Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.


I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.

I do remember Aviateca had them. People called the La Papaya Voladora.


Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14719 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 4):
I do remember Aviateca had them. People called the La Papaya Voladora.

I flew on one (SAP-GUA) but it was not "La Papaya Voladora". This one still had the prior operator's color scheme (Court Line).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too.

I believe Tan operated a B-111 as a pool with Lanica back in the early 70's (they also pooled a CV-880).


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14712 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Not sure if Lanica or Sahsa or Aviateca ever had any of those too

Plenty of them:





Speaking about LACSA, I can almost remember the names used on their BAC 1-11s related to some of the national volcanos during the late 70s: Poas, Arenal, Miravalles...




.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 4):
I do remember Aviateca had them

Tikal Jets also used to operate the BAC 1-11


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14691 times:

For those who want to expand the BAC 1-11 era in Central America:

http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/bac1-11j...ntral%20america%20chile%20peru.htm

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14608 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
Tikal Jets also used to operate the BAC 1-11

Wasn't that Dc9-50s?



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14442 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 8):
Wasn't that Dc9-50s?

Tikal Jets operated both the DC-9 and the BAC 1-11. The photos are loaded in the database.
Based on the source coming from my last post, two BAC 1-11s were involved on Tikal Jets: TG-TJK and TG-TJF.

Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14252 times:

With DLs LAX-LIR/BZE starting this weekend…..do we know how LAX-SJO has been doing? LAX -BZE looks to be out of the gates well LF wise…..first couple of flights seem to be full, yields are probably trashy as with any startup though.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14072 times:

a birdy has told that 9N has finally secured a "twin" for delivery next year and will announce one or two new routes once the aircraft is on property.

that would take it to 16 or 17 destinations.

Contenders for service would be GCM, HAV, TGU, GUA, MID and maybe even SAL. There was a mexican newspaper article a few months ago stating that MID would be announced once approvals were received.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13997 times:

from today´s Prensa: Tráfico de Copa aumenta 16.7% - CM traffic increase 16.7% from Jan to Nov.   

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/trafico-copa-aumenta-167/245843



On the run !!!
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13824 times:

Photo of inaugural LAX-BZE this morning……every last seat full.

Anyone got a photo of the LAX-LIR inaugural?




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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

Summary of 2014, in terms of the Central American civil aviation


January 02: TA SAL-MDE 3x E90 NEW + TA SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly
February 23: TA GUA-MEX 2x weekly, CANCELED
April 01: Tropic Air CUN-BZE 6x, NEW
April 01: Panama has Open Skies with Chile, Peru, USA, Curacao, Guatemala and Nicaragua
April 13: UA IAD-SJO 738. 1x, NEW
April 13: UA IAD-GUA 738. 1x, NEW Disc: August 24
April 13: UA ORD-SJO 738. 1x, NEW
May 01: Tropic Air: BZE-FRS 7x + BZE-CUN 6x + BZE-SAP 7x
May 17: LR SJO-LAX + LR SJO-HAV + LR SJO-JFK + LR SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO + LR SJO-MTY + LR SJO-PTY + LR SJO-PTY-MDE. ALL CANCELED
June 27: B6 SJO-FLL 320. 7x weekly, NEW
July 01: DL SJO-LAX 7x weekly 757, NEW
July 10: CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly 73G, NEW
August 27: AM TAP-GUA, 3x ERJ, NEW
August 31: TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB 3x, CANCELED
November 01: AV GUA-BOG 4x, NEW
November 04: AM TAP-GUA 3x, NEW
November 08: AV SAL-EWR 4x, NEW
November 20: Tropic Air BZE-RTB 1x to 3x
November 22: AA JFK-SJO 7x, RESUMED
November 23: AA DFW-RTB 1x 738, NEW
November 25: AF CDG-PTY 3x 772, NEW
December 05: V0 CCS-PTY-MGA 1x E90, NEW + V0 CCS-PTY 6x E90, NEW
December 16: CM PTY-TPA 4x, NEW
December 19: DL JFK-SJO 7x, NEW Disc March 30
December 21: DL MSP-SJO 1x 757; Disc March 29, DL LAX-BZE 1x 738 320, DL JFK-GUA 1x 73W, DL LAX-LIR 1x 738, DL JFK-LIR 1x, NEW

Merry Christmas to everyone !   



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Nice Summary SJOtoLIR

Some that you forgot
November 21: TAG/CM GUA-SAP Saab340 5x NEW
November 21: TAG/CM GUA-TGU Saab340 5x NEW
December 21: UA GUA-IAD 738 Restarted (maybe seasonal)


This is a duplicated.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
August 27: AM TAP-GUA, 3x ERJ, NEW

This is the correct one.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
November 04: AM TAP-GUA 3x, NEW

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13600 times:

Update on CM BOS-PTY

Massport released November 2013 traffic: http://www.massport.com/media/232263/november-2013.pdf

It was not the best month for the route: 60.4% load factor.


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13576 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
With DLs LAX-LIR/BZE starting this weekend…..do we know how LAX-SJO has been doing?

Well IMO its been doing pretty good every time i look up the flights to go surfing down there its always around 90% load factor or higher at sometimes I've only went once on DL so far and the flight was awesome..Only thing i didn't like was trying to wake up early and drive to the airport from the pacific beach areas is kinda rough since DL departs in the early hours in the morning...


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 13529 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
DL LAX-BZE 1x 738 320

actually will be a mix of 738/319/320. Last week was 320, next three weeks 319, then 738, then 319 comes back in Feb, then 320 in March…..and it is not LF driven…..for example Jan 4 flights have been overbooked since early Nov yet it is a 319, so it must be tied to the eqp on the upstream route funding the flight.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 13521 times:
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LAX-Central America is a massive market. I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie. GUA could very well support another carrier on the route. The 2 daily flights are always ridiculously packed.


avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 13498 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 19):
I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie

The former Continental flew the LAX-SAL back in 2009, during the US summer break as 4x weekly or so.
They didn't resume that segment later.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13481 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 19):
LAX-Central America is a massive market. I'm surprised UA hasn't jumped back into the pie. GUA could very well support another carrier on the route. The 2 daily flights are always ridiculously packed.

I agree except UA's west base now is SFO….and that is a much smaller market.

I think you will see DL stick out some packed planes & low yield scenarios this time on LAX-BZE/SJO/LIR in the hopes of turning them into the sort of gems that LAX-GUA has become for them. YOu see the first signs of that as those flights are loaded as Year round, not seasonal like MSP-SJO. You may even see them add SAP/PTY/MGA if the experiment starts to look promising. Notice I did not mention SAL….SAL is a huge market from LAX but AV got very defensive and piled on the frequencies when DL came sniffing.

Don't forget that there is also a good deal of C.America - Asia traffic (esp TPE and CAN) so if DL does its homework properly it can start to benefit from that traffic too. I was at the inaugural BZE-LAX on Sat and there were pax there going to TPE, CAN, and NGO.

IF DL can get build a beachhead at LAX regarding C. America, then the will have nice complement to its SEA efforts.

HAving said all of that, AV and CM will not take encroachment lightly and will surely react if due course.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Guess everyone has gone on xmas hiatus!

Just putting a post to keep the thread from being archived until you guys get chatty again 



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13109 times:

Jajaja

Well volcano Chaparrastique has erupted in El Salvador and some flights have been cancelled some have delayed in SAL.
The best for all the persons affected.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 hours ago) and read 12902 times:

Any update on SAL ops for AV?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12939 times:

Minimum wage increase criticised From www.prensa.com in Spanish

CM was hardly hit by Panama National Assembly Dec 30 when the regime forced at least a 63.13% wage increase on its cabin-crew staff.
CM is constantly negotiating wage increases with its workers but this is the 1st time a Panamanian president through his puppet National Assembly tells a Panamanian private company what it must pay its workers.
Also on the same law, Panama's ruler tried to tax CM (and all other Panamanian incorporated companies) income earned outside Panama. That part of the law is supposed to be started to be cancelled tomorrow.
B.T.W. A presidential candidate's distillery was also targeted with similar measures.

Surely people with no clue the individual Panama has as president and what is going on between Panama's ruler and CM owners have been asking themselves why CM hasn't been growing as fast as it should this past 3 years..



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12901 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 24):
Any update on SAL ops for AV?

Everything is operating normally from Dec 30.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12877 times:

Por otro lado, en el mercado de aviación, los tripulantes de cabina que antes disponían de un salario de $2.36 por hora o $453.12 mensuales, ahora verán su salario incrementado a $3.85 por hora o $739.20, un alza del 63.13%.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 25):

Minimum wage increase criticised From www.prensa.com in Spanish

CM was hardly hit by Panama National Assembly Dec 30 when the regime forced at least a 63.13% wage increase on its cabin-crew staff.
CM is constantly negotiating wage increases with its workers but this is the 1st time a Panamanian president through his puppet National Assembly tells a Panamanian private company what it must pay its workers.

Incredible, $453 a month?? In Panama? Shame on you Copa, shame on you!



C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 25):
CM was hardly hit by Panama National Assembly Dec 30 when the regime forced at least a 63.13% wage increase on its cabin-crew staff
Quoting MGASJO (Reply 27):
Incredible, $453 a month?? In Panama? Shame on you Copa, shame on you!

Whoa! Just imagine how hard their cabin crew must've been hit all along, considering the canasta básica (basic food basket) alone in Panamá costs almost $350, plus rent, utility bills, etc.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 29, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12822 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 27):
Por otro lado, en el mercado de aviación, los tripulantes de cabina que antes disponían de un salario de $2.36 por hora o $453.12 mensuales, ahora verán su salario incrementado a $3.85 por hora o $739.20, un alza del 63.13

Math beats me on this one. 453.12 a month at 2.36 an hour is 192 hours! Is that real, or even allowed?



C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12783 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 29):
Math beats me on this one. 453.12 a month at 2.36 an hour is 192 hours!

Comes to 24 eight–hour (jornada diurna) days.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12764 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 28):
Whoa! Just imagine how hard their cabin crew must've been hit all along, considering the canasta básica (basic food basket) alone in Panamá costs almost $350, plus rent, utility bills, etc.

Has anybody care to ask how much incidentals CM crew get every-time when they have to stay one or more nights outside PTY? Or the fringe benefits they get, which are seats CM could well put on the market for much more?
Point is CM workers have always have the door open to negotiate with CM management, this ruler we got as head of state just because he can't stand CM owners decides what wage is best for CM to pay its workers.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12730 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31):
how much incidentals CM crew get every-time when they have to stay one or more nights outside PTY?

Incidentals allowance is different from salary.. crews can't count on it or budget for it.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31):
the fringe benefits they get, which are seats CM could well put on the market for much more?

Non–rev standby tickets notwithstanding, Copa still can overbook flights all they want.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Some weird bug prevented me from posting toward the end of the previous thread.. no surprise there as the entire website, rife with outdated and heavily–modified code, seems to be held together with electronic duct tape.. So let me do a bit of catching up..

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 150):
Speaking about IB MAD-SJO, the airline has definitely dropped the late departure out of Costa Rica at 23:35

Been seeing EC–JBA, EC-IZX and others at the gate on Saturday evenings — SJO webFIDS had them all scheduled for departure at 2355L (0555Z) as IB6316.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 150):
All their 346s are departing back to Europe at 17:45 on a daily basis

The 1745L (2345Z) departures for IB6314 seemingly remain unchanged.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 187):
Anybody know anyrhing know about a start up called Air Costa in SJO?

Nope.. closest match is Air Costa Rica, an existing small air–taxi service operating a single SYQ–based Piper PA–34–200T Seneca.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 17):
I've only went once on DL so far and the flight was awesome..Only thing i didn't like was trying to wake up early and drive to the airport from the pacific beach areas is kinda rough since DL departs in the early hours in the morning.

So how's the beach at LIR these days?   



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Viaggiare...that was my bad. As it turns out its an airline in India flying E-Jets.


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12434 times:

I bet 9N is considering increasing its RTB-BZE frequencies right about now….those flights are going out full to the gills (in both directions).

I guess the question for them is to upgrade immediately or see what happens during the quieter months before upgrading.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12282 times:

I was playing with Avianca website and found this new flight

Starts January 29 daily between Guatemala and San Jose
El vuelo sera operado por Airbus A320
LR635 GUA-SJO 15:05 - 16:40
LR634 SJO-GUA 10:45 - 12:25

Starting March 1 the flights will be AV635 y AV634

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineshaq From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31):

You have no clue of what you're talking about my friend. I have people in Copa and haven't heard of the "incidentals you are talking about. Copa is having nearly 15%profit margins, but their pursers can only earn 850 base salary. Shame on them.
Flying benefits is the rule among real airlines, and that doesnt cost Copa anything because you pay the taxes, and only fly on seats that would otherwise be empty. I love Copa, but is very sad how they treat their employees. From the ramp, up to cockpit crew.



Studying hard, for flying right!
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

Quoting shaq (Reply 38):
Flying benefits is the rule among real airlines, and that doesnt cost Copa anything because you pay the taxes

Not defending the CM low salaries, but this is the Biggest misconception about the industry ever. It does indeed cost the airline…..fuel, on board service, paperwork etc etc….



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

Empty airline seats may be industrial waste but someone still has to haul it away.


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 39):
Not defending the CM low salaries, but this is the Biggest misconception about the industry ever. It does indeed cost the airline…..fuel, on board service, paperwork etc etc….

All seats on a commercial flight are perishable, any empty seat is a seat not sold and should - most of the times - be considered a loss.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12137 times:

As someone who does a "little" work in the industry and with a few airlines….the ones that I know have accounting for non-rev seats….and actually assign a value to it in their accounting. Unsold seats have a different value than staff travel and those have a different value than non-rev.


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Looks like AA is increasing Roatan substantially according to the OAG thread. Must be doing well for them


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 44, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11951 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):
Been seeing EC–JBA, EC-IZX and others at the gate on Saturday evenings — SJO webFIDS had them all scheduled for departure at 2355L (0555Z) as IB6316.

I stand corrected.
Analyzing carefully their actual schedules, as a matter of fact the eastbound flight called IB SJO-MAD leaves San Jose the Saturdays at 23:55.
However, that doesn't explain me the extra 346 parked at SJO on selected Sundays last year.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Looks like AA is increasing Roatan substantially according to the OAG thread. Must be doing well for them

Seems they are adding additional flights from DFW and MIA. I wonder if there is any Northeast based tour (scuba) operator that could make JFK / EWR - RTB work for AA or UA? There are Monday flights from YYZ and YUL (CanJet and SunWing), so why not JFK or EWR?


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 45):
There are Monday flights from YYZ and YUL (CanJet and SunWing), so why not JFK or EWR?

Sunwing and CanJet demographics are a much different market than the relatively high yielding scuba market.

Miami must work from RTB….all the residents there want to go to TX, MSY or MIA. I was surprised when TA dropped it a few years back.



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11831 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):

Looks like AA is increasing Roatan substantially according to the OAG thread. Must be doing well for them
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 46):
Sunwing and CanJet demographics are a much different market than the relatively high yielding scuba market.

Miami must work from RTB….all the residents there want to go to TX, MSY or MIA. I was surprised when TA dropped it a few years back.

You can get away with charging 800 in coach when the diving is cheaper. Same goes for CZM (though there are alternatives via CUN) and BON. BOS used to have BON charters in the late 90's as well surprisingly. Having the new MIA flights helps NYC/BOS and other Northeast connections to the area IMO.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11818 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 45):
I wonder if there is any Northeast based tour (scuba) operator that could make JFK / EWR - RTB work for AA or UA? There are Monday flights from YYZ and YUL (CanJet and SunWing), so why not JFK or EWR?

IMHO, If the tour operator really puts pressure, UA EWR-RTB once per week high season may happen. If not that much pressure, UA may be keen to fly IAD-RTB once per week high season instead and get feed from the North East via IAD and not congested EWR.



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11808 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 48):
IMHO, If the tour operator really puts pressure, UA EWR-RTB once per week high season may happen. If not that much pressure, UA may be keen to fly IAD-RTB once per week high season instead and get feed from the North East via IAD and not congested EWR.

EWR-RTB has been run seasonally in the past but it doesn't look to be happening for W14.


User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 46):
Miami must work from RTB….all the residents there want to go to TX, MSY or MIA. I was surprised when TA dropped it a few years back.

Thanks for your insight! I guess it does make sense for AA to just increase frequency over here to MIA than add a JFK flight. I remember TA operating the MIA - RTB flight on Sundays (and 10 years ago, SOL Air on Friday nights).

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 49):
EWR-RTB has been run seasonally in the past but it doesn't look to be happening for W14.

Wow! I was unaware UA had operated the route in the past.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 48):
IMHO, If the tour operator really puts pressure, UA EWR-RTB once per week high season may happen.

Tour Operator (at least the kinds that operate to RTB) means zero to UA. Now, seat guarantees maybe.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 48):
If not that much pressure, UA may be keen to fly IAD-RTB once per week high season instead and get feed from the North East via IAD and not congested EWR.

I don't see IAD-RTB will never happen.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 49):
EWR-RTB has been run seasonally in the past but it doesn't look to be happening for W14.

might be loaded in March…with their Winter update.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 50):
Thanks for your insight! I guess it does make sense for AA to just increase frequency over here to MIA than add a JFK flight. I remember TA operating the MIA - RTB flight on Sundays (and 10 years ago, SOL Air on Friday nights)

Almost zero VFR to NYC…..but there are lots of traditional ties with MIA, MSY and TX (expats).



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User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 34):
So how's the beach at LIR these days?   

Well I'm from Hawaii and its hard for me to like any other surf destination other than my homeland,but Costa rica is by far my favorite place to go.Ive been from Tamarindo to the costa ricas panama border surfing all the way down…Beautiful scenery not as much people to deal with in the water while surfing like Hawaii,empty surf spots are a surfers dream…But only thing population is growing from the first time i went since the early 90's when there was more dirt roads now almost all roads are paved which can bring good and bad IMO..


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11646 times:

According to La Nación AV/TA has capitulated and is pulling the plug on SJO-MIA (used to be LACSA's darling route) effective next week. It's all downhill from here.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 52):
Costa rica is by far my favorite place to go.Ive been from Tamarindo to the costa ricas panama border surfing all the way down…Beautiful scenery not as much people to deal with in the water

Cool.  



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 54, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 53):

According to La Nación AV/TA has capitulated and is pulling the plug on SJO-MIA (used to be LACSA's darling route) effective next week. It's all downhill from here.

I bet AA, NK will request a new frequency sooner than later!



C208B
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 37):
Starts January 29 daily between Guatemala and San Jose
El vuelo sera operado por Airbus A320
LR635 GUA-SJO 15:05 - 16:40
LR634 SJO-GUA 10:45 - 12:25

As a result, SJO-GUA will be gradually increased as follows:
January 29: AV SJO-GUA 7x to 12x weekly
February 17: AV SJO-GUA 12x to 14x weekly

Since the "de-hubbing process" at SJO last year, the current LR SJO-GUA-LAX 7x weekly is the only segment served by AV/TA.
The airline will reverse again their intentions on the SJO-GUA segment, taking into the account their two daily flights before 2013.
Furthermore, Copa Airlines is steadily attending that sector: CM PTY-SJO-GUA 7x weekly with E90 and CM/P5 BOG-PTY-SJO-GUA 5x weekly with E90 as well.




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Quoting MGASJO (Reply 54):
I bet AA, NK will request a new frequency sooner than later!

TA /AV had gradually downgraded that segment to the shy TA/LR SJO-MIA 7x weekly with E90,
This strange movement encouraged to AA MIA-SJO 28x weekly with 757, all the way.
NK SJO-FLL is 11x weekly at this time: 7x daylight + 4x as "red-eyes."
Don't forget the current B6 FLL-SJO 7x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11218 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 55):
LR SJO-GUA-LAX 7x weekly is the only segment served by AV/TA.

GUA-LAX seems to be a license to print money for the carriers on the route. AV and DL.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Just wondering if LAS is a good destination for CentAms?


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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 53):
According to La Nación AV/TA has capitulated and is pulling the plug on SJO-MIA (used to be LACSA's darling route) effective next week. It's all downhill from here.

Will AV begin to pull the plug on other Central America - MIA routes and just move it all through SAL?


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11019 times:
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Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 58):
Will AV begin to pull the plug on other Central America - MIA routes and just move it all through SAL?

They reduced GUA-MIA to 3 weekly and eliminated TGU-MIA as well as SJO-MIA. Why they are keeping GUA-MIA is beyond me. Let's see how long the others are there for. Because of this AA already increased GUA to 4 daily. I'm begging for B6 to start FLL-GUA as NK is only 5 a week.



avi8
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10996 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 57):
Just wondering if LAS is a good destination for CentAms?

Panamanians love LAS but that's not the real reason why CM flies double daily there.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

What's the other reason(s) CM flies to LAS?


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10964 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 61):

What's the other reason(s) CM flies to LAS?
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 60):
Panamanians love LAS but that's not the real reason why CM flies double daily there.

Who doesn't like Las Vegas? I'm sure some of the demand for the route comes from PTY but what actually fills the plane is the chunk of routes from all over Latin America that connects the flights. What CM has done at PTY is admirable.


Note: I'm using what I think is the logical reason they fly the route, it may be probable that I am missing key information.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 61):
What's the other reason(s) CM flies to LAS?

Cause LAS makes money for CM

Quoting avi8 (Reply 59):
Why they are keeping GUA-MIA is beyond me

I would bet they are trying to keep the route authority or something. There are also a number of sizeable cargo contracts out of GUA, perhaps something to do with that.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 64, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 63):
I would bet they are trying to keep the route authority or something.

Don't think so, or else they wouldn't have canceled GUA-MEX, GUA-ORD, or GUA-CUN.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 65, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10702 times:

Today Aerolineas Sosa started flying with a mix of Saab 340 and CRJ200 5 weekly SAP-GUA-SAP and 7 weekly TGU-GUA-TGU

Aircraft utilization will be. TGU-GUA-SAP-GUA-TGU monday throw friday.
On weekends only TGU-GUA-TGU.

Juanchito



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

That is horrible utilisation on the CRJ…..wish them the best.

Looks like (according to the OAG thread) UA is throwing in the towel on IAD-SAL after march. OR maybe just going to codeshare with AV.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10664 times:
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Maybe not that interesting but DL is switching the morning flight GUA-ATL from a 73G to a 757 on a daily basis.This means that on Saturdays DL will fly 6 daily 757's to GUA.

LAX-GUA 2x 757
ATL-GUA 3x 757
JFK-GUA 1x 757

This is Saturdays only.



avi8
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 10655 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 67):
LAX-GUA 2x 757
ATL-GUA 3x 757
JFK-GUA 1x 757

NIce. probably helps with crew rotation issues at GUA. Also know the DL cargo folks were adamant about needing the 752 there…..guess there are some good cargo contracts.

How is the JFK flight doing?



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 68):
How is the JFK flight doing?

Hopefully good, they started with a 737-700 and now they have a 757-200

Juanchito



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

A new surprise for Guanacaste: Frontier Airlines is already operating the Chicago O’ Hare - Liberia service and complementing UA ORD-LIR 2x weekly; both on a seasonal basis.

F9 042.......ORD 07:00.........LIR 12:08...........Fr
F9 043.......LIR 13:05...........ORD 18:11.........Fr

I’ve also seen on the screens: F9 STL-LIR as isolated charter flights. This is just the first step !




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Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 58):
Will AV begin to pull the plug on other Central America - MIA routes and just move it all through SAL?

More reductions for the Miami - Central America service on Avianca:

SJO-MIA: zero
SAL-MGA-MIA: 7x weekly
SAL-GUA-MIA: 3x weekly

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 70):
SAL-MGA-MIA: 7x weekly

If AA had a face, we could all imagine what it'd look like after hearing those news.
No or only token Star Alliance presence on GUA/MGA/SJO-MIA non-stop markets can't be good.
Maybe something for CM to study?



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10433 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 69):
Hopefully good, they started with a 737-700 and now they have a 757-200

I checked some random advance loads and it didn't look that hot. but maybe it is a late booking market.

IMHO, the move to a 752 is driven by crew /cargo needs.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Looks like 9N is increasing RTB-BZE….i guess we'll see an announcement soon. There is a teaser of sorts on their FB page.


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 71):
If AA had a face, we could all imagine what it'd look like after hearing those news.
No or only token Star Alliance presence on GUA/MGA/SJO-MIA non-stop markets can't be good.

UA used to bear its code in all the flights liking Central America and Miami on the former TACA.
These reductions on AV [Central America-Miami] is unexplained to me, taking into account how profitable is that segment.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 73):
Looks like 9N is increasing RTB-BZE….i guess we'll see an announcement soon. There is a teaser of sorts on their FB page.

It is up on their Facebook page now…..

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/340653164591



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User currently offlinegreenmow From Russia, joined Jun 2007, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

Copa announces Montreal, Fort Lauderdale and Georgetown, Guyana starting July 2014.

PTY-YUL x4/week, starting July 3
PTY-FLL x4/week, starting July 11
PTY-GEO x2/week, starting July 11

[Edited 2014-01-22 08:47:02]

[Edited 2014-01-22 08:47:55]

User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting greenmow (Reply 76):
Copa announces Montreal, Fort Lauderdale and Georgetown, Guyana starting July 2014.

PTY-YUL x4/week, starting July 3
PTY-FLL x4/week, starting July 11
PTY-GEO x2/week, starting July 11

[Edited 2014-01-22 08:47:02]

All I can say on behalf of Belize is   

As a market GEO is tremendously underserved and so makes sense…especially if it means connections to anything other than the eastern seaboard of the USA.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 10167 times:

Quoting greenmow (Reply 76):
Copa announces Montreal, Fort Lauderdale and Georgetown, Guyana starting July 2014.

PTY-YUL x4/week, starting July 3
PTY-FLL x4/week, starting July 11
PTY-GEO x2/week, starting July 11

So PTY-YYZ doesn't go daily but CM opens PTY-YUL. Surely CM was given YUL frequencies but no YYZ and without hesitation grabbed those.
PTY-FLL is quite odd if PTY-MIA is so well served. My guess is cruise lines had something to do with that. Peopel in north Dade County going to love that. Wishing those FLL flights being routed via DAV.
PTY-GEO is an unusual addition to CM network, but GEO lack so much connectivity with the rest of the Américas that given what CM observed @ POS with Guyanese passengers, CM decided to fly over-there before other most logical new destinations.

Still waiting to see SFO, MSY, (HOU), DFW, JAX, BZE, SCU, GCM, BGI, PBM, AQP, CIX, SSA, CWB and DAV (return to) on CM network.
New destinations in Argentina and/or Venezuela - very doubtful these days.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

Also if CM didn't open FLL, B6 would. this is probably as much as a preemptive strike than anything else


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User currently offlinegeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 584 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10089 times:
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How is CM performing on their PTY KBOS route? Any chance of seeing CM fly PTY to MYR? I would think the route might have alot of potential.

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 81, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 77):
As a market GEO is tremendously underserved and so makes sense

Iquitos, Peru is also underserved from abroad.
However, CM IQT-PTY is still operating as 2x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 78):
PTY-FLL is quite odd if PTY-MIA is so well served.

NK FLL-PTY is barely operating as thrice a week.
Ft. Lauderdale isn't deperately waiting for additional flights to PTY.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 81):
Iquitos, Peru is also underserved from abroad.
However, CM IQT-PTY is still operating as 2x weekly.

I popular rumors are true IQT is the worse performing station for CM…even worse than LIR.

IMHO, the need to add frequencies to make it more attractive to the everyday traveller. the only people that like 2Xweekly service are tourists. Counterintuitive I know, but I have seen it work time and time again.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
IQT is the worse performing station for CM…even worse than LIR.

The coming CM PTY-GEO is once again opting for the shy 2x weekly service. What's the sense in that ?
On the contrary, CM PTY-LAS is solidly operating as 12x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10003 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
I popular rumors are true IQT is the worse performing station for CM…even worse than LIR.

It's very likely CM will keep under-performer PTY-IQT as CM is looking to increase frequencies to LIM and probably open CIX and AQP in the near future.
Problem with CM @ IQT is lack of promotion. Tourists travelling to the Peruvian Amazon still visit the region via LIM as they're unaware they could already arrive to/depart from IQT.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 83):
The coming CM PTY-GEO is once again opting for the shy 2x weekly service. What's the sense in that ?

I would agree. If you going to take the risk, you might as well go all in (min 4X) and give the route the optimal chance to succeed. Capture the entire market and then weed out the non-performing days to develop a base with which to grow from.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 84):
Tourists travelling to the Peruvian Amazon still visit the region via LIM as they're unaware they could already arrive to/depart from IQT.

I agree. 90% of the battle is service awareness.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 86, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9729 times:
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Lord have mercy.

http://www.lapagina.com.sv/nacionale...con-los-que-operara-en-El-Salvador

And it gets worse

http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47673&idArt=8496956

[Edited 2014-01-23 11:33:39]


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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 86):
Lord have mercy.

http://www.lapagina.com.sv/nacionale...con-los-que-operara-en-El-Salvador

And it gets worse

http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47673&idArt=8496956

And why would these be any bad news? Its time to break the monopoly of Avianca in Central America, and its also time someone pays tribute to a man who was cowardly murdered by the thugs in charge of El Salvador, backed by the CIA and US government, in the 1980's.

Way to go VECAS, a big welcome.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9697 times:

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 87):
And why would these be any bad news? Its time to break the monopoly of Avianca in Central America,

I would say it is a doupoloy.

BTW, does anyone know if the airport closer to downtown San Salvador is open to intentional traffic…like business aviation?



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 89, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9690 times:
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Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 87):
nd its also time someone pays tribute to a man who was cowardly murdered by the thugs in charge of El Salvador, backed by the CIA and US government, in the 1980's.

Agreed. Something of importance should be named after him. He recently got a Highway named after him (among many other things). There is no need for whole country to be called "Romero"

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 87):

And why would these be any bad news? Its time to break the monopoly of Avianca in Central America

By bringing in a "company" funded by Venezuelan Government $$? That is not the way to do it.
There is enough Venezuelan intervention going on by way of ALBA

Elections on Feb 2, 2014.. I hope this madness ends there.



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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 89):
By bringing in a "company" funded by Venezuelan Government $$? That is not the way to do it.
There is enough Venezuelan intervention going on by way of ALBA

Elections on Feb 2, 2014.. I hope this madness ends there.

Oh, so went its ALBA its called intervention, so the IMF, World Bank, USAID, those are the good guys right? So in that case its called help.

Funny thing is, both are exactly the same crap, handouts by foreign countries are never free, but pretending to call what the gringos have done in our countries help is not only ludicrous, but rather quite insulting.


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Reply 91, posted (10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9661 times:
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Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 90):
Oh, so went its ALBA its called intervention, so the IMF, World Bank, USAID, those are the good guys right? So in that case its called help.

Does the IMF, World Back and USAID have branded Supermarkets, Gas Stations, Hospitals, Banks and manufacturing plants?

Have you seen a World Bank Supermaket? I have seen an "ALBA Alimentos", i have seen "ALBA Petroloeos"

That is the problem.

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 90):
Funny thing is, both are exactly the same crap, handouts by foreign countries are never free, but pretending to call what the gringos have done in our countries help is not only ludicrous, but rather quite insulting.

If you think ALBA does the same thing, why let them? Do two wrongs make a right? Repeat a bad idea twice make sense?

That is why our region is in the state it is in. We should be fixing things, instead doing the same "just because the other guy did it too"

[Edited 2014-01-23 12:26:25]


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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9656 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 91):
Does the IMF, World Back and USAID have branded Supermarkets, Gas Stations, Hospitals, Banks and manufacturing plants?

Have you seen a World Bank Supermaket? I have seen an "ALBA Alimentos", i have seen "ALBA Petroloeos"

That is the problem.

Nope, but I've seen Tela Railroad Company, Standard Fruit Company,etc. using Nemagon, DDT, etc. on people who until today suffer from cancer.

I've also seen the reports of how USAID use their healthcare programs in Guatemala to inoculate syphillis on GT's indigenous population.

So if I had to choose, give me ALBA any day, at least they have not purposely inoculated anyone with diseases, or poured DDT or Nemagon on population with prior knowledge of the effects they have as carcinogens.

So don't even try to compare the evil of Chavez band to the gringos, nobody will ever come close to what the gringos did in Latin America.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 93, posted (10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9638 times:
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Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 92):
So don't even try to compare the evil of Chavez band to the gringos, nobody will ever come close to what the gringos did in Latin America

Again - To fix whatever issues there are is not a matter of "payback" - its a matter of stopping influence from both sides equally. People need to stop justifying the future with the past. The past happened, yes its awful - let make sure it doesnt happen again. Move on.

Those are the effects of a weak Government. Now, is ALBA making local governments stronger? No.

What about supporting local supermarkets? instead of driving them out of business by keeping prices artificially low because Venezuela pays for it?

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 92):
So if I had to choose, give me ALBA any day,

You can choose. Venezuela is right there, you can move there.. but i would bring some toilet paper - they have shortages.

[Edited 2014-01-23 12:46:29]


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

Has anyone actually seen the schedule for PTY-GEO from CM?

I only have seen FLL and YUL since the announcement.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 95, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9626 times:
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RE: VECA Airlines.. here is a good article on how it is getting funded

"Un hallazgo de la investigación fue el del otorgamiento de un préstamo de 14 millones de dólares por parte de Alba Petróleos a un ciudadano panameño. Este es el presidente de la naciente aerolínea Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos (VECA)."

http://www.elfaro.net/es/201401/noticias/14423/



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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9535 times:

Wow, corrupt politicians favoring some oligarchs in one country...where have I seen this before???

Maybe you should find out a little bit more of how TACA, SAHSA, etc. were funded in their time, not a very clean history.

Negating the past is why this s**t happens in the future, the problem is that now the funding doesn't come from the North, it comes from the South. The USA doesn't give a s**t about this region anymore, so its for others to take, just learn to deal with it.

As far as the airline is safe and can help the people travel at fair prices I don't see what is the big fuss about it. It's ALBA's problem and Venezuela's people what they do with their money, after all they were democratically elected whether we like it or not.

I wish they'd fund me to start an airline as well, I have no moral issues about it. Business is business, move on.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 97, posted (10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9523 times:
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Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 96):
Negating the past is why this s**t happens in the future, the problem is that now the funding doesn't come from the North, it comes from the South. The USA doesn't give a s**t about this region anymore, so its for others to take, just learn to deal with it.

No one is negating the past. It should be accepted, noted, learned from.

The funny thing is that now you are advocating for the same thing to happen agian. Seriously you are.

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 96):
The USA doesn't give a s**t about this region anymore, so its for others to take, just learn to deal with it

Excuse me "to take". You are willing your country to be taken over again? That a real shame.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 98, posted (10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

Oh look we've diverted from the core topic...


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 99, posted (10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9505 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 94):
Has anyone actually seen the schedule for PTY-GEO from CM?

I did a research in some reliable GDS sources and found nothing.



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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Sorry to divert, going back on topic, any news about how SOSA did on their inaugural flights to Guatemala City?

I think if they hang on they might be on to something here, normally when I travel to GT you have to go through El Salvador and wait at least 4 hrs, now it just takes 40 minutes to get there, at least in the CRJ at a reasonable time schedule. Although as someone mentioned above lets see for how long they can keep the CRJ doing that kind of frequencies.

Congrats to them for trying though.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 100):

Sorry to divert, going back on topic, any news about how SOSA did on their inaugural flights to Guatemala City?

I think if they hang on they might be on to something here, normally when I travel to GT you have to go through El Salvador and wait at least 4 hrs, now it just takes 40 minutes to get there, at least in the CRJ at a reasonable time schedule. Although as someone mentioned above lets see for how long they can keep the CRJ doing that kind of frequencies.

Congrats to them for trying though.

Their utilisation on the expensive to operate CRJ is going to be horrible. Even if the plane is full, the numbers say they can't make any money.

I wish them luck, but either they will have to raise fares eventually or move to the cheaper ATR/Saab



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 101):
Their utilisation on the expensive to operate CRJ is going to be horrible. Even if the plane is full, the numbers say they can't make any money.

Do you have the cost of operations of this CRJ?
Introduction rates are $399.00.

Avianca now has rates beginning USD250.00 when they usually charge starting at USD500.00

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9470 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 102):
Avianca now has rates beginning USD250.00 when they usually charge starting at USD500.00
AV is via SAL right?

Let the blood bath begin. Hope the consumers enjoy it while it lasts. AV must feel like they are under attack from so many niche players sucking off their high yielding pax….GUA-SAP, SAP-BZE etc etc

[Edited 2014-01-24 06:58:13]


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 104, posted (10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9454 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
. AV must feel like they are under attack from so many niche players sucking off their high yielding pax

Niche players with bad CRJ utilization?

AV is just putting the sucker punch - As you said:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 101):
Their utilisation on the expensive to operate CRJ is going to be horrible. Even if the plane is full, the numbers say they can't make any money.

Self inflicted wound



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

By the way Wayfarer515 . Welcome to A.net!


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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 106, posted (10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
AV is via SAL right?

They still have the GU ATR flight that's direct to TGU and SAP from GUA.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 107, posted (10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 106):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
AV is via SAL right?

They still have the GU ATR flight that's direct to TGU and SAP from GUA.

That is correct daily flights to both TGU and SAP

Juanchito



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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9335 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 101):

Their utilisation on the expensive to operate CRJ is going to be horrible. Even if the plane is full, the numbers say they can't make any money.

I wish them luck, but either they will have to raise fares eventually or move to the cheaper ATR/Saab

Don't discard the "jet" factor, many people I know would not dare to fly on a turboprop, but have no problem flying on a jet. That said, economics will dictate if the CRJ can be a long term option for this flight, I've seen ranges of about 1.5-2K USD for direct operating costs per block hour and 3.5-4K USD for total cost per block hour for the CRJ100/200, so I can't tell how long it will last, but I hope they've done their math and risks/rewards analysis correctly, the 225nm distance does seem a bit on the lower edge for this type though, the high number of cycles will just add up to the mx costs. SOSA is a small company which can go bankrupt very easily if they start going banzai on routes like this one.

I also think the Avianca direct flight from GUA to TGU and SAP is a bit late, whereas the SOSA's flight is at noon. Even I am considering to make my business trips to GUA with SOSA because of this, also the -20 minutes flight difference doesn't hurt.



Quoting yellowtail (Reply 105):
By the way Wayfarer515 . Welcome to A.net!

Thanks for the warm welcome, oddly enough being a Central American(HN) I just posted something related to my region until this week.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 108):
3.5-4K USD

Much higher in their case one you take stuff like this

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 108):
the high number of cycles will just add up to the mx costs

into consideration.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9037 times:

As per the OAG thread

DL ATL-BZE JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1
DL ATL-MGA JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1
DL ATL-PTY JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1
DL ATL-SAL JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1
DL ATL-SAP JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1
DL ATL-TGU JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1

Keeping those extra "high season flights" thru the summer. Also no cuts on the new LAX/JFK flights to SJO/GUA/LIR/BZE so those must be performing as expected.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8887 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 110):
DL ATL-PTY JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.1

Are there any extra high season flights between ATL and PTY?
Didin't DL keep PTY daily only year-around?



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8891 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
Are there any extra high season flights between ATL and PTY?
Didin't DL keep PTY daily only year-around?

I think this would be the first time in a long time ATL-PTY gets increased. DL is really upping its game in Central America.



avi8
User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 108):
Thanks for the warm welcome, oddly enough being a Central American(HN) I just posted something related to my region until this week.

Nice to have a fellow "Catracho" in this thread!


User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 113):

Nice to have a fellow "Catracho" in this thread!

Thanks my fellow compatriot, are we the only 2 catrachos in A.net? I'd expect there would be more of us. BTW are you living in the USA?


User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 114):
Thanks my fellow compatriot, are we the only 2 catrachos in A.net? I'd expect there would be more of us. BTW are you living in the USA?

I'm not sure if we are the only ones. As far as I've seen, you are the first to fly the flag. I don't know if the Honduran Aviation guys on You Tube are on A.net. Yes, I live in the US.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

9N announced BZE-MID today. March 3rd start. MWF to start. Looks like the schedule allows pax to connect to FRS, GUA, RTB, SAP too.

release is on their FB page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/340653164591

So whats next?



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 116):
release is on their FB page

What is the connection between Tropic and CM Airlines? Do they share the same ownership?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 116):
So whats next?

LCE and TGU?  


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 117):
What is the connection between Tropic and CM Airlines? Do they share the same ownership?

Only a commercial agreement to feed passengers to each other. thats it.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 117):
LCE and TGU?  

LCE is probably way way down the list. IMHO ….PBR (Puerto Barrios) would have more going for it commercially than LCE

Lots of cities in the region need connecting into the (hub) they seem to be building at BZE….CTM, GCM, CZM, PBR etc but they are going to need to get their hands on a decent twin for some of those (like TGU) to come into play or they are going to have to work with their neighbors like CM Airlines.

I understand that there is a joint presentation by 9N, CMAirlines and a few other at Routes in SAL in Feb. Should be interesting.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

AV BOG-PTY 21x weekly will deploy soon the wide-body Airbus A330-200 as follows:

AV BOG-PTY: 14x 319 + 7x 320. Discontinued: March 31st
AV BOG-PTY: 14x 319 + 7x 332. Effective: April 01st.

Regards.



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User currently offlineshaq From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 119):

Wow. I didnt now that AV received so much feed from PTY!
One more widebody service, good for us!



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User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 121, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

Quoting shaq (Reply 120):
Wow. I didnt now that AV received so much feed from PTY!
One more widebody service, good for us!

I'm almost certain that this is due to the Venezuela cash issues, so the A330 got redeployed from CCS to PTY for the time being...


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Quoting luisde8cd (Reply 121):
I'm almost certain that this is due to the Venezuela cash issues, so the A330 got redeployed from CCS to PTY for the time being...

yep, and they gotta keep the 330 flying in between long haul runs.

Quoting shaq (Reply 120):
Wow. I didnt now that AV received so much feed from PTY!
One more widebody service, good for us!

Will look nice at PTY. Too bad it won't be there when AF, KL, TP, IB are on the ground….



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 123, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Another Airbus A340 from Iberia broken in GUA
And the World Cup MD83



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 123):
Another Airbus A340 from Iberia broken in GUA

Is this the reason Iberia operated an A340-600 on the SAL-MAD flight last night (Thursday)? The reason I ask is that while I was monitoring Flightradar24 last night, I noticed the SAL-MAD flight was routed over MIA (which is rare - usually routed further south) and it was an A346 (from what I've seen, flight is usually operated by an A343). Suffice to say, I did see it fly over (yes, I'm one of those geeks that will take out his binoculars and look up).


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 125, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 123):
Another Airbus A340 from Iberia broken in GUA

Wow, that makes 2 within just a couple of months.

A few weeks ago, EC-GLE suffered a birdstrike during take off from SAL to MAD, and the crew decided to divert and land in GUA. I think it was a bird ingestion in engine 1 or 2 which made EC-GLE stay on the ground for a few days.

Now EC-GUP takes a good rest in Guatemala. What happened this time?

Just as a sidenote, about a year ago, EC-GUP suffered a heavy birdstrike shortly after takeoff from MAD. It hit a big vulture and had the radome destroyed, resulting in damage to weather radar and a few unspecified problems with avionics. It got back to Barajas airport and was grounded for about a month. It had reported no further problems since then.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 126, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 124):
Is this the reason Iberia operated an A340-600 on the SAL-MAD flight last night (Thursday)?

Not necessarily. IB has been using A346s quite often on the MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD and MAD-PTY-MAD routes in the last few months. PTY will also start getting the A333 soon.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 124):
I noticed the SAL-MAD flight was routed over MIA (which is rare - usually routed further south)

IB 6341/6342 is routed over US territory from time to time. It's also been routed as far south as almost overflying CCS a few times.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Quoting shaq (Reply 120):
AV received so much feed from PTY!

The BOG-PTY sector [was / is] the stellar route for [Copa Airlines / Copa Airlines Colombia], in terms of passengers mobilized. CM PTY-BOG dispatches up to 7x daily flights.
Their competitors have put an eye in such route offering soon the wide-body equipment.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 127):
The BOG-PTY sector [was / is] the stellar route for [Copa Airlines / Copa Airlines Colombia], in terms of passengers mobilized. CM PTY-BOG dispatches up to 7x daily flights.
Their competitors have put an eye in such route offering soon the wide-body equipment.

While CM goes for frequency, AV goes for adding capacity with wide body aircraft.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 128):
While CM goes for frequency, AV goes for adding capacity with wide body aircraft.

All things being equal, the 330 would be sweet ride PTY-BOG and would be my choice.



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User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 130, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 128):
While CM goes for frequency, AV goes for adding capacity with wide body aircraft.

Guys, as much as I love PTY, you have to understand that AV is sending the A330 to PTY because of the Venezuela cash issues. That A330 used to fly BOG-CCS-BOG in the afternoon between the transatlantic legs. However, now that AV cannot get hard currency out of Venezuela, they were forced to downgrade that flight to A319 in order to minimize losses.

I expect that once the Venezuela cash issue is solved, the A330 will go back to the CCS route. Before the A330, CCS used to get the 767 also in the afternoon.

Regards,
Luis


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 131, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Iberia is gradually solving their shortage of wide-bodies by means of six brand-new 330s in 2013.
Four of them have been nick-named as follows:


.........Type...............Delivered on.......Registration..............Named
Airbus 330-302........08/02/2013............EC-LUB................."Tikal"
Airbus 330-302........22/02/2013............EC-LUK.............."Costa Rica"
Airbus 330-302........19/04/2013............EC-LUX..............."Panamá"
Airbus 330-302........27/06/2013............EC-LXK.............."El Salvador"


Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 131):
Airbus 330-302........27/06/2013............EC-LXK.............."El Salvador"

Guess the don't plan on pulling out of SAL anytime soon!



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

I see it reported that Tropic air will start BZE-Merida service thrice weekly, and increase Roatan service (which yellowtail mentioned earlier).


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 134, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6709 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 133):

I see it reported that Tropic air will start BZE-Merida service thrice weekly, and increase Roatan service (which yellowtail mentioned earlier).

Yes…BZE-MID starts March 3, MWF service. RTB-BZE has been upgraded to 4Xweekly (vs 3) effective this week.
And it is widely reported that both CUN-BZE and SAP-BZE will be upgraded to daily (from 6X) as soon as they get some spare aircraft.

SO they will be service FRS, SAP, RTB, CUN, MID and GUA(via FRS with Codeshare on TAG) from BZE as of this March.

SAP, FRS, and RTB connect to the CUN and MID flights in both directions.

BZE is turning into DXB



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 134):
BZE is turning into DXB

LOL Tropic Air, the Emirates of Cessnas



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 118):
I understand that there is a joint presentation by 9N, CMAirlines and a few other at Routes in SAL in Feb. Should be interesting.

Yellowtail,
Do you know if they've had the presentation and any outcome? It's always good to see some competition going on (against AV/TA). Any other news about the VECA venture?


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 137, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 136):
Do you know if they've had the presentation and any outcome? It's always good to see some competition going on (against AV/TA).

ROUTES starts this Sunday and runs thru Tues evening. Don't know what day they will be presenting, but I will be there and give you a full report.

BTW, 9N is features in the March issue of Airways. I think they did Nature last year too. C. American "regionals" getting some love.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 138, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 134):
SO they will be service FRS, SAP, RTB, CUN, MID and GUA(via FRS with Codeshare on TAG) from BZE as of this March.

Is [BZE-CUN] the stellar international service on 9N, in terms of passengers mobilized on a weekly basis ?



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 137):
Don't know what day they will be presenting, but I will be there and give you a full report.

Thanks! Look forward to your comments!


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 140, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 138):
Is [BZE-CUN] the stellar international service on 9N, in terms of passengers mobilized on a weekly basis ?

I think it does well enough and is growing slowly.

From what I hear RTB has been a real (good) surprise.

I guess they are hoping to summon the mojo again with MID.

MID probably represents the last of the low hanging fruit that are doable from BZE with the 208.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Copa Airlines increases their services in Brazil during the 2014 World Cup.

CM PTY-MAO 7x weekly. The 73G replaces the E90. Effective: June 21 to June 30.
CM PTY-GIG 14x to 18x weekly. Effective: June 07 to July 17.
CM PTY-GRU 28x to 35x weekly. Effective: June 05 to July 14.
CM PTY-BSB 7x to 11x weekly. Effective: June 09 onward.

Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 142, posted (9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Starting March 20 TAG will start service between GUA and Ilopango.

http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47654&idArt=8582978

Juanchito



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

So guys, what are the odds we see AV back at MSY?

Quoting juanchito (Reply 142):
Starting March 20 TAG will start service between GUA and Ilopango.

Can 9N be far behind on BZE-llopango…..TA LFs to BZE are high and fares higher…..

VECA may not even get have a chance to get off the ground at this rate



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 141):
CM PTY-MAO 7x weekly. The 73G replaces the E90. Effective: June 21 to June 30.
CM PTY-GIG 14x to 18x weekly. Effective: June 07 to July 17.
CM PTY-GRU 28x to 35x weekly. Effective: June 05 to July 14.
CM PTY-BSB 7x to 11x weekly. Effective: June 09 onward.

So it looks like REC, CNF and POA don't have that much FIFA Brazil 2014 fan demand.
It's amazing PTY-GRU will go 5 times per day, even if only for several weeks.
I'd have thought CM could have also been flying between PTY and FOR/SSA/CGB during the Worldcup.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 145, posted (9 months 5 days ago) and read 6048 times:

Just curious any chance for an 'Open Skies' for intra-CentAm flying?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 145):
Just curious any chance for an 'Open Skies' for intra-CentAm flying?

European Community-style open-skies or bilateral open skies?
Right now Panama has open-skies (in paper) with all of Central America except El Salvador (no need to explain why).



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 147, posted (9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 144):
I'd have thought CM could have also been flying between PTY and FOR/SSA/CGB during the Worldcup.

Both Copa Airlines and Star Alliance are not properly connected to these Brazilian airports for the 2014 FIFA World Cup, since JJ is now engaged with OneWorld grouping.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 143):
what are the odds we see AV back at MSY?

The former TACA never returned to New Orleans, since the tragic Katrina event back in 2005.
In my view, it's too late for such possibility due to the existence of many alternative ways of communication such as UA MSY-IAH and immediately UA IAH-Central America.
TACA never flew daily to New Orleans.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 147):
In my view, it's too late for such possibility due to the existence of many alternative ways of communication such as UA MSY-IAH and immediately UA IAH-Central America.

It never too late…….have you see the PDEWS between MSY and Central America? Its not MIA but its not shabby.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 148):
It never too late…….have you see the PDEWS between MSY and Central America? Its not MIA but its not shabby.

I was surprised that TA/AV is no longer at MSY. I remember back in the 70's and 80's, when I would connect at MSY on my way to TGU (on Sahsa), you would also see other Central American carriers (Taca, Aviateca, etc). I just scratch my head and wonder how there can't be demand for direct service (I'm sure they could fill an E-190).


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 149):
I just scratch my head and wonder how there can't be demand for direct service (I'm sure they could fill an E-190).

The demand is there, definitely for a MSY-SAP but neither AV nor UA are interested to fly that route.
If TA returns to MSY as AV it'll be from SAL and it seems UA isn't interested in P2P anymore. UA (then CO) used to fly P2P routes out of MSY and SAT.
I've my doubts if MSY could be on CM radar.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 151, posted (9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

AV SJO-JFK will apparently resume their services from March 16th.




VIva Colombia might be SJO bound.




The intended airline mentioned before and called "Ticos Air" has failed to cumply all their requirments to operate at SJO.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 152, posted (8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 151):
AV SJO-JFK will apparently resume their services from March 16th.

Update: The resume of the New York City service out of San Jose will be route as AV [SJO-SAL-JFK] 7x weekly and following the predominant "red-eye" schedule.
Strange move regarding both DL SJO-JFK 7x weekly with 73W and AA SJO-JFK 5x weekly with 738.

Regards.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5339 times:
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Does anyone know when Iberia's A330's start flying to PTY??


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 154, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Detailed schedule on AV SJO-SAL-JFK

AV 670.....SJO 17:00........SAL 18:15............Daily
AV 670.....SAL 19:50........JFK 02:35+1........Daily

AV 671.....JFK 04:35........SAL 07:35............Daily
AV 671.....SAL 08:30........SJO 09:45............Daily
Effective: March 16th

As a result, AV SJO-SAL will operate as 28x weekly plus the LR SJO-MGA-SAL 7x weekly with ATR-42.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 155, posted (8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

UA modified their frequencies from both Chicago and Washington:

UA ORD-SJO 2x weekly. Discontinued: March 31
UA IAD-SJO 3x weekly. Discontinued: March 31

UA ORD-SJO 1x weekly. Filter period: April 01 - June 04
UA IAD-SJO 1x weekly. Filter period: April 01 - June 04

UA ORD-SJO 2x weekly. Filter period: June 05 - August 18
UA IAD-SJO 3x weekly. Filter period: June 05 - August 18

UA ORD-SJO 1x weekly. August 19 onward
UA IAD-SJO 1x weekly. August 19 onward


Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 156, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Avianca suspends San Jose - Caracas

http://globovision.com/articulo/aero...de-vuelos-entre-san-jose-y-caracas

Juanchito



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