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American Eagle Unveil New Name - Envoy  
User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1560 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23199 times:
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AA's regional carrier, American Eagle, plans to change it's name and logo, with changes expected to be unveiled in the next few weeks.

"The changes are expected to be unveiled in the next few weeks “to distinguish ourselves” from other regional carriers that fly for American Eagle president Pedro Fábregas told employees this week in a message"

Here's a letter from American Eagle's President, Pedro Fabregas:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/195652430/...rom-Eagle-President-Pedro-Fabregas

Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/a...agle-will-unveil-new-name-soon.ece

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User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23138 times:

Darn it! I was just about to post this! You beat me to it! I have heard the name Envoy Airlines float around, could this be the new name?

AG



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User currently onlineslowrambler From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23091 times:

If it is "Envoy Airlines" I'd assume that's a way of parking the Envoy trademark from the US side.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23051 times:

So a company has to change its name because other companies were allowed to adopt its branding.

It's a strange world we live in, and the airline industry is even stranger.

-Mir



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User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22909 times:

Too bad the name American Express isn't available..

KL Cityhopper seems to work well for them; could that work for AA?

[Edited 2014-01-04 11:22:45]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22892 times:

Quoting slowrambler (Reply 2):
If it is "Envoy Airlines" I'd assume that's a way of parking the Envoy trademark from the US side.

  

"Envoy." Meh.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
So a company has to change its name because other companies were allowed to adopt its branding.

It's a strange world we live in, and the airline industry is even stranger.

I don't know why this is all that strange. The "American Eagle" name, brand, and trademark all belong to AMR (now American Airlines Group), and have since all the way back in November 1984 when American Airlines created the American Eagle network. That the present-day company known as American Eagle Airlines, Inc. was able to take on that name is solely a reflection of the strategy of AMR Corporation and American Airlines from the late 1990s to purchase outright and amalgamate all the previously independent carriers operating under the brand. It's only been since 1998 that there is been one single operator with both the legal name and marketing identity "American Eagle." Prior to that, there was Simmons (formerly Metroflight), Flagship, Wings West, Command, and on and on. Just as is the case now and will be the case going forward: there will be Envoy, Republic, Chautauqua, PSA, Piedmont, SkyWest, etc.

Today, rebranding American Eagle Airlines, Inc. as Envoy Airlines is really just a return to the way the entire American Eagle system operated for more than a decade up until 1998: a series of carriers - some owned, some not - all with their own legal identities but all operating under the same "American Eagle" brand identity licensed to them by the owner of said brand, AMR (again, today AAG).


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22821 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
So a company has to change its name because other companies were allowed to adopt its branding.

The 'other companies' in this case happen to own American Eagle - the airline and the brand.

The people of American Eagle, the airline, have worked hard to make American Eagle, the brand, the mark of a reliable, excellent regional airline. It doesn't matter to AA, but MQ employees are disappointed they can take the name and reputation of American Eagle and put on any lowest bid carrier.

Another rumor I heard is that the name of the new company will not include "airlines." American Eagle is becoming primarily a ground handling company.


User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22820 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):

USAir changed the names of it's regional subsidiaries, Allegheny Commuter to just Allegheny, Henson Airlines to Piedmont and Jetstream International Airlines to PSA to keep their trademarks. So it has happened before.

If American Eagle becomes a ground handling company, what will happen to Piedmont as their Dash 8s time out? As many people say Piedmont will become a ground handling company.

AG



[Edited 2014-01-04 11:31:25]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22686 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
The people of American Eagle, the airline, have worked hard to make American Eagle, the brand, the mark of a reliable, excellent regional airline. It doesn't matter to AA, but MQ employees are disappointed they can take the name and reputation of American Eagle and put on any lowest bid carrier.

I agree it is sad. Personally, I have consistently found Eagle to be among the best regional airlines in the U.S. - largely driven by the fact that they are owned directly by a mainline carrier, held to similar standards in many areas, and generally seem to provide a more consistent overall experience when connection between mainline and regional. Put another way, I have found, time and again, that the "drop off" in service when I step off an AA mainline flight and onto an Eagle regional flight is substantially less "steep" than when doing the same with regional operators flying for Delta and especially United. Nonetheless, economics is what it is. AA's competitors have used bankruptcy and a glut of regional carriers to materially reduce the cost of regional feed, and AA has no choice but to respond.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
Another rumor I heard is that the name of the new company will not include "airlines." American Eagle is becoming primarily a ground handling company.

I have heard the same. American Eagle has done an impressive job dramatically expanding its ground handling business in recent years. That will no doubt be an attractive opportunity for AAG in a few years - they can sell it to WFS or someone else for millions.

Quoting AirbusGeek (Reply 7):
If American Eagle becomes a ground handling company, what will happen to Piedmont as their Dash 8s time out?

I still continue to believe that there are new turboprops - either Q400s or ATR72s - in AA's future. I have no idea when, or which operator, but I just think there are too many markets up and down the east coast linked to PHL/CLT with Piedmond Dash 8s to ignore. The presence of an economically viable turboprop in these smaller markets gives USAirways (and soon AA), and its hubs, an advantage. Further, I think there are various markets in and out of several PMAA hubs - chiefly DFW and MIA - where a new 70-seat prop could also make perfect sense. While at the moment their are bigger fish to fry, I think it's only a matter of time before AA addresses the Dash 8 recapitalization question.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22587 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 5):
I don't know why this is all that strange. The "American Eagle" name, brand, and trademark all belong to AMR (now American Airlines Group)

I'm well aware, and I know there's nothing illegal about what AMR is doing. But it's very disappointing.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
The 'other companies' in this case happen to own American Eagle - the airline and the brand.

Republic does not own Eagle. PSA does not own Eagle. Yet all those carriers will be flying under the Eagle brand.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Personally, I have consistently found Eagle to be among the best regional airlines in the U.S. - largely driven by the fact that they are owned directly by a mainline carrier, held to similar standards in many areas, and generally seem to provide a more consistent overall experience when connection between mainline and regional. Put another way, I have found, time and again, that the "drop off" in service when I step off an AA mainline flight and onto an Eagle regional flight is substantially less "steep" than when doing the same with regional operators flying for Delta and especially United.

And that's the real issue - AMR is using the name that has been built up by the employees of Eagle, that is recognized by travelers as something of value, and letting other companies share in that reputation without having earned it. That's a pretty big slap in the face to everyone at the actual American Eagle who has worked hard to build that reputation. Which, perhaps not coincidentally, comes at the same time as AMR is working to shut down Eagle in favor of those other companies. Someone in management needs some help with employee relations.

-Mir



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22522 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
AMR is using the name that has been built up by the employees of Eagle

Not quite. If you really want to go back to the beginning, the brand was "built up" by the employees of Simmons, Wings West, Command, Flagship, Air Virginia, Executive, Chaparral, etc. Those were the airlines - all initially non-owned by AMR, mind you - that were the first "stewards" of the American Eagle brand. And those were the carriers (and employees) who by and large became the present day American Eagle employees.

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
that is recognized by travelers as something of value, and letting other companies share in that reputation without having earned it.

Okay - but can't the same be said of Delta Connection, United Express, etc.? Those airlines owned carriers that once proudly operated that brand and "made it what it is," and yet those key AA competitors have summarily sold, spun off or shut down those carriers. It's business. The brand belongs to mainline, not the regional, for better or worse.

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
That's a pretty big slap in the face to everyone at the actual American Eagle who has worked hard to build that reputation.

Again - okay. But what is the alternative? Change the entire branding of all American Airlines regional operations solely to avoid offending some employees? Perhaps that's better P.R., but I think it's also highly unrealistic.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22404 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
If you really want to go back to the beginning, the brand was "built up" by the employees of Simmons, Wings West, Command, Flagship, Air Virginia, Executive, Chaparral, etc.

You're going back quite a ways, though, and the regional airline segment has changed in very significant ways since then. I'd say the current setup of Eagle has a lot more to do with traveler perception of the brand than the truly regional carriers that it was born from.

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
can't the same be said of Delta Connection, United Express, etc.?

No, because there was (and is) no airline called Delta Connection or United Express.

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
But what is the alternative? Change the entire branding of all American Airlines regional operations solely to avoid offending some employees?

They're changing the branding of the whole airline right now - changing the branding of the regional operation at the same time wouldn't be much of a challenge.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19953 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22379 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 4):
Too bad the name American Express isn't available..

Why not "EagleFlight"?


User currently offlinebluefltspecial From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22220 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 5):
I don't know why this is all that strange. The "American Eagle" name, brand, and trademark all belong to AMR (now American Airlines Group), and have since all the way back in November 1984 when American Airlines created the American Eagle network. That the present-day company known as American Eagle Airlines, Inc. was able to take on that name is solely a reflection of the strategy of AMR Corporation and American Airlines from the late 1990s to purchase outright and amalgamate all the previously independent carriers operating under the brand. It's only been since 1998 that there is been one single operator with both the legal name and marketing identity "American Eagle." Prior to that, there was Simmons (formerly Metroflight), Flagship, Wings West, Command, and on and on. Just as is the case now and will be the case going forward: there will be Envoy, Republic, Chautauqua, PSA, Piedmont, SkyWest, etc.

Today, rebranding American Eagle Airlines, Inc. as Envoy Airlines is really just a return to the way the entire American Eagle system operated for more than a decade up until 1998: a series of carriers - some owned, some not - all with their own legal identities but all operating under the same "American Eagle" brand identity licensed to them by the owner of said brand, AMR (again, today AAG).

Thank you for this, as it's something I've often thought was so but never really knew was true. Time to dust off the history books I guess!

Slightly off topic, but as a kid in the early 80s I remember flying on American Eagle from PHF-ORF-DCA for my gramps' funeral. We flew on Metros operated by Air Virginia.

Does anyone else remember them?

Did they get absorbed into "Eagle" or did they just go under? Were the above listed airlines the only ones that were pushed together to make Eagle? or were there more?



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22222 times:

Perhaps they will change the name from American Eagle to American Flag

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22213 times:

There are plenty of names to choose from: Flagship, Executive, Envoy, whatever. Hopefully they pick something better than "Endavour Air."

User currently offlineb757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22162 times:

What about changing it to US Airways or Trans World Express?

Look at all of US's express airlines. They are all former airline names. PSA, Piedmont, etc.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21914 times:

I hear Surejet is still available.   


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21448 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
No, because there was (and is) no airline called Delta Connection or United Express

Continental Express became ExpressJet.

Arguably it isn't directly comparable as ExpressJet had sole use of the Continental Express brand pre-merger (the others were Continental Connection), but the situation is not dissimilar.



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User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 21278 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 17):

That name was atrocious!    I still have no idea what they were thinking! Their tag line "Ally, Partner, Friend" sounds like a motto for a preschool. No wonder they withdrew that name in 2 days.

Like someone else said, they are so many names to choose from. I do expect that the branding of American Eagle to change and the actual airline to be renamed as US Airways. E.g. Envoy Airlines operated by US Airways, so currently it is American Eagle operated by Republic.

AG

[Edited 2014-01-04 13:56:16]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 21227 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
Continental Express became ExpressJet.

Arguably it isn't directly comparable as ExpressJet had sole use of the Continental Express brand pre-merger (the others were Continental Connection), but the situation is not dissimilar.

Expressjet didn't have sole use of Continental Express, Chautauqua had it as well.

Also, Expressjet didn't fly under the Expressjet brand (except for its own flying), it flew under the Continental Express brand. So it's not really the same.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20697 times:

Wouldn't ENVOY be misleading since USAirways longhaul premium service is called that however US is scheduled to align its inflight services w/AA so definitely ENVOY Class will disappear so it might be an option.  

User currently offlineTPA0822 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20359 times:
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Quoting b757capt (Reply 16):
Look at all of US's express airlines. They are all former airline names. PSA, Piedmont, etc

My thoughts exactly. How about USAir?


User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20323 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):

Another rumor I heard is that the name of the new company will not include "airlines." American Eagle is becoming primarily a ground handling company.

That is what I have heard as well UNLESS the pilots at American Eagle agree to more concessions so that the current American Eagle rates to the "mother carrier" is more in line with those of other contractors such as SkyWest. AE's receiving of any of the Embraers ordered is contingent upon getting their costs in line with others. Otherwise, the aircraft leaving will not be replaced, and there will be a Comair Scenario all over again. And if they do concede to more cost cuts and get their fees in line, there is a possibility of offering their flying outside the American USAirways group. There was an article in the Dallas newspaper about a week ago that addressed this.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20289 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
And that's the real issue - AMR is using the name that has been built up by the employees of Eagle, that is recognized by travelers as something of value, and letting other companies share in that reputation without having earned it. That's a pretty big slap in the face to everyone at the actual American Eagle who has worked hard to build that reputation. Which, perhaps not coincidentally, comes at the same time as AMR is working to shut down Eagle in favor of those other companies. Someone in management needs some help with employee relations.

I have to whole heartedly agree.
As pointed out, there did not appear to be any shift in quality when flying on MQ from AA vs the American Connection moniker which was operated by others.

Changing the name obviously has the end point of divesting MQ from AAG. Then turning the regional flying to the lowest bidder. Race to the bottom.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
The presence of an economically viable turboprop in these smaller markets gives USAirways (and soon AA), and its hubs, an advantage. Further, I think there are various markets in and out of several PMAA hubs - chiefly DFW and MIA - where a new 70-seat prop could also make perfect sense. While at the moment their are bigger fish to fry, I think it's only a matter of time before AA addresses the Dash 8 recapitalization question.

I can not answer for MIA but if you are talking DFW switching to props and the Wright Amendment coming to an end in 2014 allowing connections to anywhere out of DAL. WN would think they woke up in Fantasy Land.


Okie


25 Turboprop72 : What is the worst slap in the face for current eagle employees is that they were even asked to vote on the AA tail design , when the flying they are d
26 DTW2HYD : As I understood this is just MQ legal name change. It will still operate under American Eagle marketing name along with other operators.
27 rj777 : OK, I'm confused here...... is the American Eagle name changing? Or is someone else's name changing?
28 Turboprop72 : The airplanes are still going to say american eagle, the airline called american eagle is having its name changed. I think they should use one of the
29 commavia : True, but there were airlines called ASA and Comair, both owned by Delta and staffed by their own employees who worked hard for years building the "D
30 Post contains images steeler83 : Sure why not? If they're going that route, why not resurrect that late '70s livery? I'm sure that'll really piss off the senior PSA workers who've be
31 VC10er : Well, assuming "American Eagle" named itself after the scissor eagle from the ex AA identity, which was brilliant IMHO if they needed a sub-brand of A
32 AA94 : American Eagle Airlines (MQ) is pursuing a name change. They are wholly owned by the American Airlines Group. There is also the American Eagle brand,
33 sunking737 : How about returning to the name Ozark?? or maybe Aircal, or Reno Air?? Keeping it retro.
34 C010T3 : Why not use the AirCal name?
35 newhaven : [ No. "Cityhopper" is juvenile and sounds stupid and evokes "puddlejumper".. not what they want people to think.
36 newhaven : Um ..... what ?
37 dtw757 : No....MQ will change names and operate "American Eagle" flights operated by New Name Company so the airplanes will still say American Eagle
38 newhaven : How About "Astrojet" !!?? Or even better .... "Luxury Liner". Wouldn't that look great painted on the side of a Dash 8 or EMB145? LOL
39 Post contains images 9lflyguy : SureJet is open...
40 commavia : Um ... what? Which part of the text you quoted were you referring to?
41 USAirALB : IIRC, American Eagle will be a brand-name, but American Eagle Airlines (MQ) will be renamed. Probably to Envoy Airlines. So, you'd here/see: American
42 kd5mdk : I like Simmons for MQ, but I think it doesn't sound so great to modern customers. Pretty fly-by-night. Naming it USAir would probably bother all the o
43 DTWSXM : I was thinking the same thing. Endeavor was such a hideous choice that the folks at ASA, and at least one other regional, voted it down. The poor fol
44 MtnWest1979 : After hearing of Era Alaska's new name etc, I'm just glad they are using all of the letters in the name lol.... I miss the days of each commuter line
45 Post contains images AirbusGeek : That is the point! They weren't going to call their regional airlines the same name as their business class. It will probably be to protect the Envoy
46 RyanairGuru : I'm well aware that ExpressJet didn't fly under its own branding for CO. Continental Express (the airline) was created in 1987 when Texas Air Corp pu
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : COEx was the jet carriers and COConn was the prop carriers.
48 AA94 : That is correct.
49 DTW2HYD : Well, at least American Eagle brand will be saved from bad performance data and worst airline achievement awards of MQ.
50 oflanigan : Didn't US Airways create the Heritage Logo to both honor and protect trademarks? So just adding to the heritage logo next to doors and adding retro pl
51 bjorn14 : So are the repainting all the AE frames into that horrible new livery too?
52 chepos : ^^^^ They have been repainting Eagle aircraft to the new livery for a while now.
53 bkircher : So if Eagle changes their name, does that mean that their newly painted aircraft will have to also be repainted??
54 evomutant : No, it'll just get a small sticker by the door saying "operated by XYZ air" or something similar.
55 tristan7977 : If the livery says American, than the new name will have American. American Regional, anything!
56 mhkansan : No. THis has been said several times. The American Eagle brand will be used for all regional carriers flying for American Arilines. There is an airli
57 Turboprop72 : A LOT of MQ bad numbers are pushed on by AA, besides what do you expect from a bunch of employees that have been on 5+ years of uncertainty. And now
58 Post contains links LAXintl : And Envoy it is... Envoy is picked as new name for American Eagle Airlines http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-for-american-eagle-airlines.html/ =
59 dtw757 : American Eagle Flight #### operated by Envoy handled by Envoy Ground Services both a division of Envoy Aviation Group a wholly owned subsidiary of Ame
60 b757capt : I would bet nothing will change other then the corporate name from American eagle to envoy. Call signs, operations, all of that stuff stays just the
61 realsim : American Eagle Airlines Name Change FAQs General 1. Why is American Eagle Airlines changing its name? American Eagle Airlines will be changing its nam
62 mcdu : What does it matter what the airline name is called? The paint scheme stays the same, it will still be an AA Eagle flight with operated by Envoy on t
63 Post contains links PanAmPaul : One additional and interesting tidbit coming out of this: More and more, it's becoming quite clear that the "new" American is adopting most legacy AA
64 BlueLine : Will Eagle Ground Handling and MQ fleet service be combined under the Envoy Ground Handling name?
65 realsim : From the FAQ above: ... The article can confirm it, from April 1, US Airways Business Class will be branded as Flagship.[Edited 2014-01-14 09:43:28]
66 commavia : Which, of course, was always logical and predictable. "American" is - overall - by far the larger, more recognizable, and more global brand, so it se
67 AA1818 : Impressive how quickly they are moving to harmonize and streamline. Onward march on AA! AA1818
68 Post contains images ouboy79 : Another horribly kept secret in the industry.
69 dtw757 : I beg to differ....Is Delta or United going to hire Envoy to do flying for them? Envoy is still wholly owned by American Airlines Group.
70 commavia : Indeed. The speed with which the integration is taking place is impressive. Execution will be critical, but thus far all seems to be moving along smo
71 Post contains links cageyjames : You mean like when DL and MQ had a codeshare? Delta Codesharing With American Eagle At LAX (by Flashmeister Feb 20 2002 in Civil Aviation)[Edited 201
72 b757capt : Yes I absolutely do think this could happen. The regionals are shrinking and if the MQ folks vote this new contract in they can afford to bid on more
73 LAXdude1023 : I really like the name actually. Its a nice change!
74 Mir : You seem to be under the impression that they chose to work at Eagle instead of American. Some may have chosen to stay at Eagle rather than go to Ame
75 commavia : I do, too. And I think the logo is also nice. Not that either will ever matter much to the flying public, of course - but still. For the same reason
76 newhaven : After the name change, the airplanes will be painted as American Eagle and carry an “Operated by Envoy” label. .... that says it all ... so WTF is
77 quickmover : Why not use the Piedmont name?
78 woodreau : Quoted from a pilot forum board. "So who do you fly flor?" "I fly for Envoy." "Oh, never heard of them." "Well, our paint is new." "Is this a private
79 tyler81190 : You have summed up the flying public... hahaha
80 commavia : I doubt that for one very big reason: the vast majority of the flying public doesn't know nor care to know what the legal name is listed on the opera
81 RayChuang : Because unless you're an older person living in the US Southeast, people don't remember the Piedmont Airlines name.
82 commavia : And again, it wouldn't matter anyway since virtually nobody in the traveling public is ever going to come into contact with this name, whatever it is
83 Polot : And US already has a wholly owned subsidiary using the Piedmont name...
84 cageyjames : I guess what's left? Allegheny - Was at one point a regional US Air/Airways - clearly already being used by PMUS Lake Central Airlines - too forgotte
85 Post contains images Mainliner : Close. Instead of carrying on that entire conversation, I think Joe Schmoe Passenger would probably just say "Well, I don't care what it says as long
86 steeler83 : Are you sure that wasn't something out of Abbot and Costello? I thought I was going to have to stop to grab an Advil! So American Eagle is still goin
87 RyanairGuru : No, you've got it the wrong way roung: Eagle will be the "umbrella", with Envoy beneath it (along with PSA, SkyWest etc) American Eagle Airlines will
88 Post contains links SMF711 : It looks like they have an official logo now. Not too shabby, but nothing particularly wonderful either. http://www.underconsideration.com/br...ew_log
89 tyler81190 : Coule be worse... Remember "SureJet?
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