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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 27874 times:

As thread number 4 has been archived, I'll start thread number 5 of the never dull aviation scene in the BeNeLux. This year we'll probably see the finalisation of the Chinese taking a major equity stake in Cargolux, Ryanair going after Vueling and SN Brussels at BRU and we'll probably get an answer to the questions which BeNeLux airport will be the first airport wit pax service of all the three big ME3 airlines (AMS or BRU).

I'll start this thread by the press release of EIN that they have handled 3.4mio pax in 2013 (increase of 14%). For 2014 the expect 3.7mio. Total movements is expected to improve from 26,508 in 2013 to approx.29,000 in 2014.

Benelux Aviation #4 (by blueflyer Jun 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#228

[Edited 2014-01-06 05:49:02 by SA7700]

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User currently offlinebwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27730 times:

Has Qatar announced a date for AMS already? EK should arrive in BRU somewhere in August.


Btw, please use either SN or Brussels Airlines. SN Brussels Airlines seized to exist in 2007 already  



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 27290 times:

Quoting bwest (Reply 1):
Has Qatar announced a date for AMS already? EK should arrive in BRU somewhere in August.

Qatar requested and received, as usual, slots for AMS for S14 (they've done this for the past few years) . Thus, if QR decides to finally use the slots they requested and granted, then AMS would be the first.


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 27289 times:
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Quoting LJ (Thread starter):
Ryanair going after Vueling and SN Brussels at BRU

Will be very interesting to see what happens there..

Quoting bwest (Reply 1):
Has Qatar announced a date for AMS already?

So far, they just placed a slot request.. Something they do every year

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 27130 times:

After EIN, AMS released their preliminary figures for 2013 (exact figures will be available shortly)

Passengers 52.5mio (+2.89%)
Cargo: 1.5mio ton
Movements: 426,000

Though some news reports suggest an increase of cargo of 3.5%, according to my figures this doesn't look not correct as 2012 ended just above 1.5mio (when you include post in the cargo figures) or just under 1.5mio in you exclude post. Will see what the exact figures will be....


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 26714 times:
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KLM will start flights to Bilbao in S14. 5 times a week (with ERJ190 equipment). Seems a nice - and for me long expectd - new city in the route network.

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...s/KLM_opent_lijndienst_naar_Bilbao


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26280 times:
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How's the installation of the new WBC seats on the KLM 747s progressing? Any insight which routes have the new WBC? And when will the rest of the long haul fleet be updated?

User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26284 times:
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Finally we got a clear overview about the 787/350 order partition at KL/AF. KL will go for 23 787s (how many of them are leased??) and 7 A350s (these will replace what). AF will go for 12 787s and 18 A350s...initially.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM#Fleet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France#Fleet


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26224 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 7):

Surprising. But with the detailed yearly delivery schedule, the author seems to be in the know... Expected the number of 787s and A350s more equally balanced. Just 7 A350s, is it worth to have such a small subfleet? KL might as well go all 787... I guess the number of A350s will rise after a follow-on order to replace 77E's.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 7):
23 787s (how many of them are leased??)

I believe 10 787s will be leased, and judging by the delivery schedule, all will go to KL.

Also surprised to see just 276 seats in KL's 787-9... 14 seats less than the A333 and 44 less than the 77E... thought it was closer in size.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 7):
these will replace what

From what I read in earlier interviews with KL executives, this 787/A350 order will replace the 747Ms and A330s. Will be interesting to see what KL will do with full pax 747s... replace with more 77W's or perhaps 777-9s?   



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26167 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
Surprising. But with the detailed yearly delivery schedule, the author seems to be in the know... Expected the number of 787s and A350s more equally balanced. Just 7 A350s, is it worth to have such a small subfleet? KL might as well go all 787... I guess the number of A350s will rise after a follow-on order to replace 77E's.

I think so too, but than not specifically for the 77E. I think in 2020 we will see a temporary fleet of 747, 747M, 77W, 77E, 789, A359, A333 and A332.  
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
Also surprised to see just 276 seats in KL's 787-9... 14 seats less than the A333 and 44 less than the 77E... thought it was closer in size.

This means either the 789 is not as big as we thought it was. At least a good amount smaller than the A333/A343, MD-11 and 77E. Surprises me too, I thought the size was about the equivalent.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
From what I read in earlier interviews with KL executives, this 787/A350 order will replace the 747Ms and A330s. Will be interesting to see what KL will do with full pax 747s... replace with more 77W's or perhaps 777-9s?

779, no until 2025 I don't expect this plane to be with KL/AF, hence they are no launch customer airlines (anymore) and their 77W are relatively young. Normally the A330s of KL don't need to be replaced before 2020 as well. So I expect the 772 to be replaced by a combination of 789 and 359.


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26072 times:

CRL handled 6,786,979 pax in 2013 (+4%) -> third in Benelux after AMS and BRU.

Press release

The continuous growth of the last years is expected to come to a stop in 2014 as Ryanair moves some ops to BRU.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26049 times:
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Any news on EK's arrival in BRU ?

I've heard of May or August. I wonder if they'll bring an A330 or a 777...



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26018 times:

KLM announces it will return to ZAG from 25 May 2014:

- dep. AMS 14:30 - arr. ZAG 16:20 KL1943 non-stop E90 Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun
- dep. ZAG 16:55 - arr. AMS 19:05 KL1944 non-stop E90 Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 25966 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 11):
I wonder if they'll bring an A330 or a 777...

It's usually a 777 (300ER   ) when EK starts a new route... A330s are on their way out, and seem to be not in best shape. Not the best visiting card to impress new passengers.
When EK has enough A350s, it will probably be the aircraft of choice for new routes.



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 25937 times:
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Quoting factsonly (Reply 12):

KLM announces it will return to ZAG from 25 May 2014:

- dep. AMS 14:30 - arr. ZAG 16:20 KL1943 non-stop E90 Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun
- dep. ZAG 16:55 - arr. AMS 19:05 KL1944 non-stop E90 Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun

Excited about their move to the Balkan, should have got time I think. Curious when they will add BEG as well.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 25702 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 14):
Excited about their move to the Balkan, should have got time I think. Curious when they will add BEG as well.

Don 't get too excited as this is a seasonal flight only (and just a F70).

Other news

BRU ended at 19.33mio pax for 2013 (+0.9). Number of movements was 216,678 which is 3.4% less. Cargo ended 6.4% lower at 429,938 tons

LGG released its figures as well this week. Pax figures ended at 315,293 (+ 3.98%). Cargo was down 2.72% to 561,000 tons.

[Edited 2014-01-10 12:51:52]

User currently offlineGILLESPATRICK From Belgium, joined Mar 2009, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25307 times:

Hello guys , just came back from holiday from MNL to AMST ,via Sin and flying with SQ on 4 segments ( planes fully booked on all segments just like the trip in feb 13 ), why on earth SQ, dont upgrade there 777-200 to a 777-300ER ( with better quality service and entertainment on board and space ) on the AMST-SIN-AMST specialy on a 13hours flight

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Quoting GILLESPATRICK (Reply 16):

Simply because SQ's 77W is a premium product and AMS is not a premium route. It has 8P, 42J and 228Y seats. As you no doubt know, Dutch people are somewhat price sensitive, the market for P and J simply isn't big enough. Therefore, it makes better sense for SQ to send the 77E with 26J and 245Y seats to AMS.

We'll just have to wait until SQ replaces their 77E's with A359s...

Same situation with CX, they send their old A343s (2 class or 3 class with Y+), not their premium configured 77W's. Although I believe their plan is to eventually send a 3 class (with Y+) 77W to AMS.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25083 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 17):
Simply because SQ's 77W is a premium product and AMS is not a premium route. It has 8P, 42J and 228Y seats. As you no doubt know, Dutch people are somewhat price sensitive, the market for P and J simply isn't big enough. Therefore, it makes better sense for SQ to send the 77E with 26J and 245Y seats to AMS.

We'll just have to wait until SQ replaces their 77E's with A359s...

Same situation with CX, they send their old A343s (2 class or 3 class with Y+), not their premium configured 77W's. Although I believe their plan is to eventually send a 3 class (with Y+) 77W to AMS.

SQ send their B77W to AMS in peak summer season and CX will introduce daily B77W 3-class service starting 2 jan. 2015. The CX B77W starts operating 3x/week in late October 2014, as the CX A340 is slowly withdrawn from service.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24977 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 18):
SQ send their B77W to AMS in peak summer season

I saw they did last summer, hadn't seen anything in their schedule they're planning it again this summer. A bit surprising they send a plane with less Y seats but more J seats during summer season. You'd expect less premium demand in summer.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 18):
CX will introduce daily B77W 3-class service starting 2 jan. 2015. The CX B77W starts operating 3x/week in late October 2014

Cool  



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 24828 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 18):
SQ send their B77W to AMS in peak summer season and CX will introduce daily B77W 3-class service starting 2 jan. 2015. The CX B77W starts operating 3x/week in late October 2014, as the CX A340 is slowly withdrawn from service.

SQ sends their 77W to AMS for cargo. They usually don't sell the P cabin on those flights as P (they didn't do this previous years). Aircraft availability has also been a reason why SQ send their 77Ws to AMS in the past.


User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2509 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 24772 times:

Does SQ only have one (premium heavy) cabin version on the 77W?

Thanks,
PW100



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 24577 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 21):
Does SQ only have one (premium heavy) cabin version on the 77W?

The SQ 77W comes only in the premium heavy configuration.

Other news

CI will reduce TPE-BKK-AMS from daily to 5 weekly between April 30th and June 14th


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 24547 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 22):
CI will reduce TPE-BKK-AMS from daily to 5 weekly between April 30th and June 14th

This is an annually recurring schedule adjustment for airlines from that region in a period of weak demand.

CX also reduces European service in this period; HKG-AMS-HKG to 6x/week for a two week period 1 - 14 May 2014.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 24239 times:

KLM is returning to Torino in Italy with 2x/daily Fokker 70:


- dep. AMS 09:20 - arr. TRN 11:05 KL1555 non-stop F70 daily
- dep. AMS 20:30 - arr. TRN 22:15 KL1559 non-stop F70 daily

Flights are operated in codeshare with AZ.

Until last year AZ operated this route 2x/daily with A319 and E75 in codeshare with KLM.

This is the 2nd Alitalia regional route handed to KLM following the transfer of FLR-AMS-FLR from AZ to KLM late last year. The cost of operation of such regional routes for AZ must be the primary reason for the transfer, as AZ does not have a/c or crew bases in TRN or FLR.

[Edited 2014-01-21 01:48:57]

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24363 times:

FR is opening 3 new routes ex EIN:

Eindhoven – Venice Treviso (2 weekly)
Eindhoven – Murcia (2 weekly)
Eindhoven – Corfu (1 weekly)

All routes start at the beginning of April.


User currently offlinebwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24438 times:

And EK has apparently announced they are NOT going to start BRU-DXB, quoting strong competition from EY, QR, TG & 9W

Link in dutch



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (9 months 5 days ago) and read 25103 times:

Flew through LUX yesterday for the first time since the new terminal openend.

I was wondering if there are any plans for the now disused finger pier to the left (seen from the apron) of the terminal that currently lacks a link ti the terminal. While the terminal has some shiny new airbridges, most of the planes that serve LUX are suited for airbridges and passengers must be coached.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24691 times:

KQ will deploy the 77W on NBO-AMS as of June 2nd

User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 794 posts, RR: 20
Reply 29, posted (9 months 21 hours ago) and read 24352 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 28):

KQ will deploy the 77W on NBO-AMS as of June 2nd

Great news, hopefully it'll be daily!



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24099 times:

SN announced some new routes ex BRU (some are service resumptions) in S14 (most of them holiday routes).

BRU - ATH 3 weekly (4 weekly between June 28th and August 30th)
BRU - SVQ 3 weekly
BRU - MLA 2 weekly (June 20th - September 12th)
BRU - CAG 2 weekly (June 22nd - August 31st)
BRU - BRI 3 weekly (June 23rd - September 13th)
BRU - MPL 3 weekly (June 24th - September 13th)
BRU - KRK 3 weekly (starting June 23rd) and 4 weekly from September 1st
BRU - WAW 12 weekly (starting September 14th)


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23854 times:

Two unusual moves by KLM this weekend:

1) The airline announced a new 5x/week AMS-BIO route earlier this month. Four months ahead of the route opening the frequency has been raised to daily, allegedly due to higher than expected sales figures.

- dep. AMS 14:50 - arr. BIO 17:00 KL1686 E90 daily

2) At the same time KLM also raised the frequency on its newly announced route AMS-ZAG four months ahead of the opening, from 4x/week to daily and replacing the F70 with the larger E90.

- dep. AMS 14:30 - arr. ZAG 16:20 Kl1943 E90 daily

www.amadeus.net


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 23341 times:

AMS

Korean will increase ICN-AMS to 4 weekly in S14

BRU
TG will reduce the frequency on BKK - BRU from 4 to 3 weekly between April 29th - June 21st and September 1st - October 25th. However, in peak season (June 29 - August 31st) the capacity will increased by replacing the 777-200 with the 777-300.

LGG
AIr Corsica will start 1/2 weekly flight between Ajacio and Liege during peak Summer season (July 6th - September 6th). The second flight will be operated with a leased 733 from Europost.

[Edited 2014-02-15 13:27:13]

User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23117 times:
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Quoting factsonly (Reply 18):
CX will introduce daily B77W 3-class service starting 2 jan. 2015. The CX B77W starts operating 3x/week in late October 2014, as the CX A340 is slowly withdrawn from service.

As CX will be one of the first airlines to receive the A359 next year I wonder if AMS will be one of the first destinations for these birds.

A little off topic but does anybody know who will have the scoop of receiving the A359 next year in Western Europe?


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 22579 times:
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KLM AF posted an operational profit of 130 M EUR againt a loss of 336 M EUR last year. However due to a negative tax influence (as well as the selling of Citijet), the loss has grown to 1.8 B EUR (!!!). Situation in general has improved a lot (even AF is making operational profit) and expected to continue (although economical forecast remains uncertain) as costs go down (fuel, personell, overhead)

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL..._winst_voor_Air_France-KLM_in_2013 (in Dutch only)

The situation at Transavia has worsened. Operational loss has grown to 23 M EUR mentioning that the political situation in Egypt, the new routes (particularly in France) have still to be proven and the bankruptcy of the OAD travel organisation.

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...verlies_Transavia_sterk_toegenomen


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 22446 times:

Just to make this thread complete, as it was reported elsewhere:

Estonian will commence Vaxjo-AMS on May 4, 2014:

- dep. 06:15 - arr. 07:50 OV801 Embraer 170 Mon, Tue, Thu
- dep. 17:55 - arr. 19:30 OV805 Embraer 170 Mon, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sun

Amsterdam (AMS) – Växjö (VXO)

Day:
- dep. 10:05 - arr. 11:30 OV802 Embraer 170 Mon, Tue, Thu
- dep. 20:45 - arr. 22:10 OV806 Embraer 170 Mon, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sun

http://www.vxo-airport.se/filer/Ams%20flyer%20ENG%20mellan.jpg


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22301 times:

Air One revised their schedules to Amsterdam. Catania - Amsterdam and Palermo - Amsterdam will commence as of March 30th instead of April 6th and April 3rd respectively.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 21828 times:

Kalitta will start a twice weekly JFK-AMS flight as of March 9th.

The schedule will be (flown by 747-400F)
JFK dep 01:00 arriving AMS 14:15 (Thursday, Sunday)
AMS dep 09:00 (Friday)
AMS dep 17:00 (Sunday)


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21351 times:

VY has changed one of its destination from AMS, the 3x/weekly flights to Galicia have been moved from A Coruna Airport to Santiago De Compostela Airport.

In S14 peak summer season the airline serves:

- Alicante = 5x/week
- Barcelona = 29x/week
- Bilbao = 4x/week
- Ibiza = 8x/week
- Malaga = 7x/week
- Mallorca = 4x/week
- Rome = 6x/week
- Santiago = 3x/week
- Sevilla = 3x/week
- Valencia = 5x/week

TOTAL = 77x/week


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20894 times:

The city councils of both Rotterdam and The Hague have agreed to connect Rotterdam - the Hague airport and both named cities and Delft by a new tramlink.
The exact timeline for construction / completion is unknown yet. But when completed the travel time from the respective cities to the airport will be reduced significantly:
-Rotterdam central station-->airport - Less than 10 minutes
-Delft-airport --> abt 15 minutes
-the Hague centre-->airport abt 40 minutes


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20894 times:

AMS
Etihad Regional will cancel CBG-AMS as of S14. This means that CBG-AMS is cancelled again...


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20584 times:

GARUDA has confirmed its intention to launch late May 5x/week non-stop CGK-AMS operations with B773.

- dep. CGK 00.55 – arr. AMS 09.40 GA 088 77W daily ex. Tue, Thu
- dep. AMS 12.35 – arr. CGK 07.15 GA 089 77W daily ex. Tue, Thu

This service will replace the existing CGK-AUH-AMS A332 service which operates six weekly.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20485 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 39):
The city councils of both Rotterdam and The Hague have agreed to connect Rotterdam - the Hague airport and both named cities and Delft by a new tramlink.
The exact timeline for construction / completion is unknown yet. But when completed the travel time from the respective cities to the airport will be reduced significantly:
-Rotterdam central station-->airport - Less than 10 minutes
-Delft-airport --> abt 15 minutes
-the Hague centre-->airport abt 40 minutes

I see the point for Rotterdam Airport. But is it worth to cover the Hague, given the train link to the nearby railway station and the shuttle bus from there to the airport? Of course a direct tramlink to The Hague is more convenient, but is it quicker and is there sufficient demand to justify the costs, given that RTM is reasonably accessible from The Hague by public transport already?


User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20404 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 42):
I see the point for Rotterdam Airport. But is it worth to cover the Hague, given the train link to the nearby railway station and the shuttle bus from there to the airport? Of course a direct tramlink to The Hague is more convenient, but is it quicker and is there sufficient demand to justify the costs, given that RTM is reasonably accessible from The Hague by public transport already?

The Tramline The Hague - Delft - Rotterdam was already planned to follow the A13 Highway, the airport will be connected to this new Tramline with a shunt.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (7 months 22 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

AirBridge Cargo will start a twice weekly SVO-AMS-DFW as of S14. The flight will be operated on Mondays and Thursdays with a B748F.

AF/KL/MP Cargo will increase AMS-BOM freighter service from 2 weekly to 4 weekly as of April 1st.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19662 times:

Stobart Air operating for FlyBe has announced it will operate starting from June 4th, 2014:

- SEN-GRQ 1x daily with ATR72-600
- SEN-ANV 2x daily with ATR72-600 (2nd flight starts later in the year)


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19225 times:
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Maybe some people already knew it (or I have failed to read it earlier) but here some fleet news of KLM.
As Wikipedia claims, 2 additional 737-700s will join the fleet of KL though it is not said when. Also, an extra 737-800 will come next month (a couple of months ago, when the last 738 arrived, it was said that this was the last 738 to arrive for the upcoming period).

Lastly, 3 instead of 2 extra 77W will arrive in the next 2 years. Does anyone know if these birds will finally replace the prehistoric PH-BFA and PH-BFB? Thanks.

When will the Fokker 70 replacement decision be made? This was supposed to be announced in 2014 I thought.


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18932 times:
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Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 46):
Lastly, 3 instead of 2 extra 77W will arrive in the next 2 years. Does anyone know if these birds will finally replace the prehistoric PH-BFA and PH-BFB? Thanks.

I don't think they will replace PH-BFA & PH-BFB as they have recently been refurbished with KLMs new WBC..


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18577 times:

AMS

GA will decrease CGK-AUH-AMS from 6 weekly to 4 weekly between May 12th and May 29th.
IB Express will resume MAD-AMS as of July 1st (as mentioned in a seperate thread )
Iberia To Resume SDQ, IST, AMS, ARN And ATH (by mfc Apr 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MST
ET Cargo has started ADD-MST-DWC-HKG replacing BRU for MST for this 2 weekly flight.

OST/LGG
A N A Airline Management will move its freighter business from OST to LGG. BAsically this means that OST will loose a very big part of its cargo business.

LUX
Cargolux will start 1 charter flight a week to Zhengzhou via Baku for 4 weeks as of April 24th. In addition it will start a 2 weekly scheduled service leaving LUX on Thursdays and Saturdays


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18517 times:

TK is doing very well on its newly launched IST-RTM route.
A321's are frequently spotted at RTM, and a deployment of a bigger plane (possibly a A330-200?) seems to be a option in the near future.

[Edited 2014-04-11 14:06:39]

[Edited 2014-04-11 14:07:39]

User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18361 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 49):
A321's are frequently spotted at RTM, and a deployment of a bigger plane (possibly a A330-200?) seems to be a option in the near future.

HHmmm, let's start by operating the route daily, or possibly 10x/week, or 2x daily B738.......before we have big widebody dreams!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 51, posted (6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18254 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 49):
TK is doing very well on its newly launched IST-RTM route.
A321's are frequently spotted at RTM, and a deployment of a bigger plane (possibly a A330-200?) seems to be a option in the near future

Out of 7 flights so far, two have been operated with A321 and the other five with A320. Sunday's flight is to be operated with A320 again. I think the A332 is very wishful thinking. I am pretty sure the route will go daily narrow body pretty soon though.


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 18261 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 50):
HHmmm, let's start by operating the route daily, or possibly 10x/week, or 2x daily B738.......before we have big widebody dreams!

Agreed, however the Rotterdam is very slot-restricted this year. There is a chance that TK may not have enough slots to operate daily flights. Thus needing a wide-nody in order to offer more capacity.
the leap between the A321 and he A330-200 is just 70 seats. So from that point of view it's not that much incease, but maybe just enough to satify the demand.


Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 51):
I think the A332 is very wishful thinking.

At some point we will see a wide body. Even if it's just for the (summer) holiday season.


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18126 times:
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Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 52):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 51):
I think the A332 is very wishful thinking.

At some point we will see a wide body. Even if it's just for the (summer) holiday season.

With 53 narrow bodies on order and with longhaul destinations growing faster than their wide bodied fleet (as well as having ageing A340-300s) it will probably be more likely to have an upgrade in frequency.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17829 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 52):

Agreed, however the Rotterdam is very slot-restricted this year. There is a chance that TK may not have enough slots to operate daily flights. Thus needing a wide-nody in order to offer more capacity.

However, wouldn't that create issues as RTM is not only slot restricted, there is AFAIK also a restriction on the terminal capacity, which limits the maximum number of passengers at a given time (and thus may also put a cap on the size of aircraft).


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17744 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 53):
With 53 narrow bodies on order and with longhaul destinations growing faster than their wide bodied fleet (as well as having ageing A340-300s) it will probably be more likely to have an upgrade in frequency.

Yes indeed.
We just wait and see what happens due course.

Quoting LJ (Reply 54):
here is AFAIK also a restriction on the terminal capacity, which limits the maximum number of passengers at a given time (and thus may also put a cap on the size of aircraft).

this restrictions mainly applies for the number of departing passengers per hour. there are no restrictions for arrivals.
the morning rush hour sees much more departing passengers per hour. so an A330 should be easy to handle in the afternoon. Even combined with some other departures in the same hour.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 17667 times:

A little bit late, but I've been vey busy lately and didn't have much time, but like previous year I composed a ranking of all commercial airports in the BeNeLux based on number of passengers, cargo and number of movement and though why not do it again for 2013. Therefore hereby the 2013 ranking.

Ranking based on number of pax
1 AMS 52,527,699 +2.93%
2 BRU 19,133,222 +0.85%
3 CRL 6,786,979 +4.09%
4 EIN 3,425,485 +14.95
5 LUX 2,197,497 +14.46%
6 RTM 1,488,572 +17.21%
7 MST 429,545 +24.51%
8 LGG 315,293 +3.98&
9 OST 247,669 +6.46%
10 GRQ 176,212 -/-2.71%
11 ANR 137,015 -/-2.08%
12 DHR 136,015 -/-3.71%
GRQ does not agree with the figures calculated by CBS. According to them they had 203,000 pax (still 5,000 less than previous year. However for Dutch airports I take the CBS figures with the exception of DHR which is not included in the overview.

Ranking based on tons of cargo
1 AMS 1,531,086 + 1.27%
2 LUX 673,500 +9.51%
3 LGG 561,000 -/-2.61%
4 BRU 429,938 -/-6.39%
5 MST 54,029 +5.33% (MST airport mentions 79,000 tons)
6 OST 46,485 -/-12.57%
7 DHR 365 -/-23.04%
8 RTM 54 +17.53%
9 ANR 1

Others didn't report cargo

Ranking based on number of movements
1 AMS 440,051 +3.93%
2 BRU 216,678 -/-3.02%
3 RTM 46,117 -/-4.18%
4 GRQ 43,734 -/-5.75%
5 ANR 43,390 -/-7.60%
6 LUX 38,842 +1.78%
7 EIN 26,508 +9.23%
8 OST 25,674 -/-10.54%
9 MST 13,515
10 DHR 11,251 -/-7.13%


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 57, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17425 times:

LX will send an A340 to AMS next Friday :

LX724/725 ZRH-AMS-ZRH ops A343 iso A321

Currently planned is HB-JMG.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17217 times:

Some news

EIN
FR will resume MAD-EIN as of W14. The flight will be operated 3 weekly.

BRU
US reduces CLT-BRU to 4 weekly untill August 17th and will be discontinued thereafter (perviously they planned a daily service untill September 1st).


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 59, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 17162 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 57):
LX will send an A340 to AMS next Friday :

LX724/725 ZRH-AMS-ZRH ops A343 iso A321

Currently planned is HB-JMG.

Is there a particular reason for this? I know it's Easter and the flowers are beautiful in Holland etc etc , but going from A321 to A343 is quite a step.


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 591 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17038 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 59):
Is there a particular reason for this? I know it's Easter and the flowers are beautiful in Holland etc etc , but going from A321 to A343 is quite a step.

Apparently a 321 stuck in DRS for repairs, also discussed in Swiss Aviation Thread #35 (by LXLucien Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)
quite at the end of the replies, reply 31

[Edited 2014-04-16 00:20:31]


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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 61, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16987 times:

That's right, HB-IOC is in DRS for repairs after a tail-scrape in GVA. Planned to be back in the operational fleet as per 19APR.


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16751 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 59):
Is there a particular reason for this? I know it's Easter and the flowers are beautiful in Holland etc etc , but going from A321 to A343 is quite a step.

This wasn't uncommon a few years ago where would see some charters from Switzerland around Good Friday (pax all headed for the Keukenhof).


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 63, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16713 times:

since 2008 it's only the second time a SWISS widebody replaced 320's on regular flights. (last one last year)
Before that an MD11 has operated a ZRH-AMS-ZRH flt.
Back in de days of the DC-10's it was more common though



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 591 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16551 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 63):
since 2008 it's only the second time a SWISS widebody replaced 320's on regular flights. (last one last year)
Before that an MD11 has operated a ZRH-AMS-ZRH flt.
Back in de days of the DC-10's it was more common though

At BRU, we were more lucky then. I remember at least once a 343, twice 333 and even once the Privatair BBJ (on a saturday) operating ZRH-BRU-ZRH in stead of the regular types. This dates a few years back, when there was a huge stike of the A32S cockpit crew.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16366 times:

As reported before, KLM will launch a new route AMS-BIO-AMS 1x daily from May 26, 2014.
This route was initially announced as just 4x/weekly, but increased to 1x daily very quickly due to the route's success.

Today KLM announced that it will increase the frequency of AMS-BIO on August 4, 2014 to 2x daily E90 with the launch of a new night-stop service.

- dep. BIO 06.45 - arr. AMS 08.55 KLC E90 daily - starts 5 August 2014
- dep. BIO 17.35 - arr. AMS 19.45 KLC E90 daily - starts 26 May 2014

- dep. AMS 14.50 - arr. BIO 17.00 KLC E90 daily - starts 26 May 2014
- dep. AMS 20.45 - arr. BIO 22.55 KLC E90 daily - starts 4 August 2014


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16317 times:
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Quoting factsonly (Reply 65):

As reported before, KLM will launch a new route AMS-BIO-AMS 1x daily from May 26, 2014.
This route was initially announced as just 4x/weekly, but increased to 1x daily very quickly due to the route's success.

Today KLM announced that it will increase the frequency of AMS-BIO on August 4, 2014 to 2x daily E90 with the launch of a new night-stop service.

- dep. BIO 06.45 - arr. AMS 08.55 KLC E90 daily - starts 5 August 2014
- dep. BIO 17.35 - arr. AMS 19.45 KLC E90 daily - starts 26 May 2014

- dep. AMS 14.50 - arr. BIO 17.00 KLC E90 daily - starts 26 May 2014
- dep. AMS 20.45 - arr. BIO 22.55 KLC E90 daily - starts 4 August 2014

That is astonishing! A route that still has to have its maiden flight has had yet 2 capacity increases. Interesting.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 67, posted (6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15954 times:

As of November Transavia on behalf of Neckermann will fly GRQ - ACE weekly, year round. Flights will be every Saturday.
Not sure about times and if seats only can be booked.

Regarding those flights, I wonder what the W pattern will be since those are looong segments. Is AMS-ACE-GRQ-ACE-AMS even possible in one day?

source: Groningen Airport, www.gae.nl


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (6 months 1 day ago) and read 15838 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 67):

Regarding those flights, I wonder what the W pattern will be since those are looong segments. Is AMS-ACE-GRQ-ACE-AMS even possible in one day?

Why not? They're doing AMS - Canaries - AMS - Canaries - AMS regulary (the PH-HZX did AMS-TFS-AMS-LPA-AMS today). The extra few minutes to GRQ can be easily compensated by the short turn around time at GRQ


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 69, posted (6 months 1 day ago) and read 15814 times:

But AMS is a crew base, crew change. GRQ is not. Will the crew deadhead by ground transportation to and from GRQ?

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (6 months 1 day ago) and read 15813 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 48):

LUX
Cargolux will start 1 charter flight a week to Zhengzhou via Baku for 4 weeks as of April 24th. In addition it will start a 2 weekly scheduled service leaving LUX on Thursdays and Saturdays

Flights have been delayed until May 29th due to CV not having the correct trafiic rights....


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (6 months 23 hours ago) and read 15789 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 69):
But AMS is a crew base, crew change. GRQ is not. Will the crew deadhead by ground transportation to and from GRQ?

The ACE flight will operate via EIN, so crew will most likely change there.

Additionally, Wizzair has announce their 16th destination from Eindhoven, Tuzla (Bosnia).
Twice weekly operation (M,F), starting 22 June:
W6 4290 EIN1550-1755TZL
W6 4289 TZL1825-2045EIN



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 72, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15510 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 45):
Stobart Air operating for FlyBe has announced it will operate starting from June 4th, 2014:- SEN-GRQ 1x daily with ATR72-600- SEN-ANV 2x daily with ATR72-600 (2nd flight starts later in the year)

From June they also fly SEN - MST 6x week. ( Not Saturday )

SEN - MST 08:10 - 10:25

MST - SEN 10:50 - 10:55


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 73, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15267 times:
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Seems like Emirates has firmed its slots requests for a daily DXB-BRU-DXB on 772.

At least this was reported by Travel-Magazine.be and various Flemish media yesterday.

Flights are due to begin as soon as the renovation works of DXB runways are completed. So by the end of the summer.

BRU is the only major Euro city not served by EK alongside OSL and HEL.

BRU is already served by daily QR link (787) and 8 weekly EY flights (332/333).



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User currently offlineAirindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15098 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 73):
Flights are due to begin as soon as the renovation works of DXB runways are completed. So by the end of the summer.

Announced: http://www.emirates.com/english/abou...s/news_detail.aspx?article=1644964

From Sep 5th 2014.....


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15084 times:

Just to maintain a complete record of all new BENELUX route announcements.

On April 29, Cityjet announced CBG-AMS-CBG for first flight on Monday May 12, 2014.

- dep. CBG 06:00 - arr. AMS 08:05 1h 5m WX320 Fokker 50 - non stop - daily ex.Sun
- dep. CBG 13:55 - arr. AMS 16:00 1h 5m WX322 Fokker 50 - non stop - Daily ex.Sat

- dep. AMS 08:35 - arr. CBG 08:40 1h 5m WX321 Fokker 50 - non stop - Daily ex.Sun
- dep. AMS 16:40 - arr. CBG 16:45 1h 5m WX323 Fokker 50 - non stop - Daily ex.sat


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 76, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14711 times:

GA has secured local traffic rights on AMS-LGW segment starting from September 7.  

Just look at the following link!



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14781 times:

The reopeniing of Twente airport for commercial flights has been delayed. The original plan was to start by the end of this year but due to governmental issues (EU investigation into possible state aid and other legal issues) they'll have to postpone until this has been cleared. No new date has been given.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 77):
The reopeniing of Twente airport for commercial flights has been delayed. The original plan was to start by the end of this year but due to governmental issues (EU investigation into possible state aid and other legal issues) they'll have to postpone until this has been cleared. No new date has been given.

The new local government of Enschede (which consists of parties which always opposed the reopening of Twente Airport) has issued a deadline for the airport operators. If there is no final conclusion on the EU investigation by September 1st it will pull out if the plans.

MST appears to be saved by the regional government of Limburg. They'll take over the airport for EUR 1 and will invest EUR 15mio into the airport. Other local governments will invest another EUR 6mio and they hope (against all odds) that the Dutch governments will provide another EUR 10mio.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 79, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 78):
MST appears to be saved by the regional government of Limburg. They'll take over the airport for EUR 1 and will invest EUR 15mio into the airport. Other local governments will invest another EUR 6mio and they hope (against all odds) that the Dutch governments will provide another EUR 10mio.

Sad, very sad. I hope the EU will stop this kind of government aid. MST is not needed with EIN , CGN and DUS just a 50 min drive away. If there is a market they would have made a profit, but even FR couldn't make it work.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 13820 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 79):
Sad, very sad. I hope the EU will stop this kind of government aid. MST is not needed with EIN , CGN and DUS just a 50 min drive away. If there is a market they would have made a profit, but even FR couldn't make it work.

Then it's probably comforting to know that the Dutch government probably won't give an EUR for MST (and the same for Twente airport).


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13360 times:

Corendon Airlines will start flying to Fuerteventura, Arricife (Lanzarote), Marsa Alam and Aqaba from AMS as of W14

Aqaba 1 weekly (Saturday) with start on November 1st till March 28th
Marsa Alam 1 weekly (Wednesday) as well starting October 29th till April 1st
Fuerteventura 1 weekly (Sunday) starting November 2nd till March 29th
Arricife 1 weekly (Sunday) starting November 2nd till April 19th

BTW schedule is derived from Corendon.nl but no official press release about frequency and operating days (yet).


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13203 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 79):
Sad, very sad. I hope the EU will stop this kind of government aid. MST is not needed with EIN , CGN and DUS just a 50 min drive away. If there is a market they would have made a profit, but even FR couldn't make it work.

And BRU, and even Liege. THough I must say I enjoyed the airport when I lived in the area, though I only flew the old Air Berlin service to Berlin from there. It was easy.

I remember Ryanair noting they were closing the "base" there but they will still have some flights correct?



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13172 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 82):
And BRU, and even Liege. THough I must say I enjoyed the airport when I lived in the area, though I only flew the old Air Berlin service to Berlin from there. It was easy.

How I wish MST or even Liege would have more scheduled service than just FR and the occasional charter...they're much more convenient to get to than driving to DUS and CGN (and paying their outrageous parking prices).


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13178 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 83):
How I wish MST or even Liege would have more scheduled service than just FR and the occasional charter...they're much more convenient to get to than driving to DUS and CGN (and paying their outrageous parking prices).

I tended to use BRU more often, or just train directly up to AMS.YMMV
BRU and CGN were equal distance for me. DUS was a tad closer, and better now with the extended autobahn. Charleroi wasn't that bad even if needed for certain destinations.

Living in the Drielandenpunt area the biggest issue is searching all the different airports depending on where one is going to find a good deal LOL



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13157 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 84):
DUS was a tad closer, and better now with the extended autobahn. Charleroi wasn't that bad even if needed for certain destinations.

It's not that bad...45 minutes on a good day, but the parking prices are outrageous (even in the cheap lots).

But I digress...
Is there any chance of Liege scoring some more service in the future?


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 591 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12795 times:

Since yesterday, June 1st, ET is operating their B788 on the route BRU-CDG-ADD in stead of the B763.
Huge step forward in term of quality, I suppose?

12.4567 BRU1 ADD 2000# 0640 ET 705 788
1.34567 ADD1 BRU 2355# 0835 ET 704 788



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 87, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12771 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 83):
...much more convenient to get to than driving to DUS and CGN (and paying their outrageous parking prices

Just booked one week of parking for 44 EUR in late July - next to the terminal. Not too bad in my book.


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12371 times:

TK will add a 5th weekly flight on it's recently started IST-RTM service.
The additonal flight will operate on mondays as from july 14th with a 737-800
The intention is to go daily once the fleet capacity of TK and number of allocated slots to TK in RTM allow this.

BA will replace the Saab2000 on the LCY-RTM route with ERJ170's in course of september.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12009 times:
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Any insight whether KLM started to update WBC on the 777 fleet? Understand the 747 fleet is (nearly) done and it's the 777s turn. Can we expect the A330 fleet to receive the update shortly after? Thanks!

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11572 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 89):
Any insight whether KLM started to update WBC on the 777 fleet? Understand the 747 fleet is (nearly) done and it's the 777s turn. Can we expect the A330 fleet to receive the update shortly after? Thanks!

I've read somewhere that the first 777 will get the new WBC in December this year. The final 747 has gone to China for the new WBC.

In other KLM news. KLM announced its plans for its 95th birthday on October 7th. Apart from a exhibiotion in a museum in Amstelveen nothing special planned for those who don't have relatives working for KLM.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11089 times:

Zagrosjet started today with its scheduled flights between Erbil (Iraq) and Amsterdam. The flight will be opertaed each Thirsday with an A320.

User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 88):
The intention is to go daily once the fleet capacity of TK and number of allocated slots to TK in RTM allow this

apparanly as from winterseason daily on this route. Airdraft 737-800 or equivelant

BA will probably re-introduce the afternoon flight on the LHR-RTM route. Aircraft A319.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10645 times:
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Brussels Airlines' service to IAD is apparently not performing as expected. The flight will become seasonal in October, in other words suspended, with service set to resume in March 2015, and will be rescheduled to morning/afternoon service, I guess to complement United's flight that is often full.

SN515 BRU1015 – 1255IAD 332 x13
SN516 IAD1750 – 0725+1BRU 332 x13

UA951 BRU1200 – 1425IAD 777
UA950 IAD1735 – 0715+1BRU 777

Personally, I'll miss the (late) evening departure option. It has been very convenient on several occasions. On the other hand, when my schedule called for the daytime departure, I wished United's business class service was as good as Brussels'. Win some, lose some, I suppose.

[Edited 2014-07-02 22:50:03]


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10232 times:

Wizz Air will start 2 weekly Timisoara - Brussels Charleroi service as of November 2nd.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9731 times:

Ryanair will start two new routes from EIN as of W14. The first will be Eindhoven - Turin, which will be flown 3 weekly (Tuesday, Thursday and Sturday). The second will be Eindhoven - Tenerife, which will be flown once weekly (Friday). Moreover Eindhoven - Madrid will be resumed (3 weekly on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday) and Eindhoven - Catania (2 weekly) and Venice will remain in W14.

User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9690 times:

Wizzair will start the route Gdansk-Groningen as from October 28th
frequency: 2 x weekly (Tuesday and Saturday) with (of course) A320

Nice addition for GRQ

In additiont to this, Wissair will also start a service from Katowice to Maastricht with will also be flown 2 x weekly with an A320.

hope RTM will be the next addition to the network of Wizz


User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 97, posted (3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 96):

hope RTM will be the next addition to the network of Wizz

That will not happen. RTM is slot-restricted and prefers to have more regular airlines like BA,TK & LH rather the likes of W6 or FR..



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 98, posted (3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Quoting dalce (Reply 97):
That will not happen. RTM is slot-restricted and prefers to have more regular airlines like BA,TK & LH rather the likes of W6 or FR..

You are right that the airport is slot restricted and that the airport might not give them a great deal. However if there are slots available when W6 requests them the Slot Coordinator will appoint those slots.



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User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9067 times:

W6 May not need that much slots at the start.
however i must agree that it's not likely this year. Maybe next year if/when the number of available slots for RTM is increased.


User currently offlinetomcat From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (3 months 4 days ago) and read 8773 times:

EY56 BRU-AUH operated tonight with an A345. Is it a one off or a seasonal change?

User currently offlinemict From Belgium, joined Feb 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (3 months 4 days ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting tomcat (Reply 100):
EY56 BRU-AUH operated tonight with an A345. Is it a one off or a seasonal change?

It think it's just a one off. I once flew an A346 on BRU-AUH (in April).


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (3 months 1 hour ago) and read 8915 times:

As mentioned in another thread. KL confirmed three weekly AMS-BOG-CLO-AMS for S15 (though given KLMs reputation we shouldn't celibrate too soon).

KLM To Bogota And Cali In 2015 (by Amsterdam Jul 25 2014 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8544 times:

Some route cancellations ex AMS

OV will cut AMS - VXO as of August 10 (currently served 5 weekly with EMB170)
KL will cut LUN and HRE as of W13 (see KLM To End Service To LUN (by AF022 Jul 29 2014 in Civil Aviation) )


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 104, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Given the new Wizzair routes to Poland - is there a large Polish expat community in the Netherlands as well (at which those flights are presumably targeted)? I used to think that the Polish expats cluster in the UK and Germany.

User currently offlinedalce From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 105, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7910 times:

@VFW614,

Yes, lots and lots of Polish workers are in NL. Mainly working in the agricultural business. Also in other fields we see an increase of Polish people



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7617 times:

Wizzair increases Warsaw - Charleroi from 7 weekly to 11 weekly. Furthermore, Warsaw - Eindhoven will be increased from 3 to 4 weekly. Both as of S15.

User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 107, posted (2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 106):
Furthermore, Warsaw - Eindhoven will be increased from 3 to 4 weekly. Both as of S15.

Interesting to see how W6 has grown in the 9 years they serve the Netherlands now.
Starting with 4 weekly AMS-BUD and 3 weekly AMS-KTW flights in 2005, they have moved the operation to EIN and are now operating 63 weekly flights from EIN to 16 destinations.

Pretty impressive...

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 96):
Wizzair will start the route Gdansk-Groningen as from October 28th
frequency: 2 x weekly (Tuesday and Saturday) with (of course) A320

Nice addition for GRQ

In additiont to this, Wissair will also start a service from Katowice to Maastricht with will also be flown 2 x weekly with an A320.

Let's hope these flights will be succesfull.
Are there many Polish workers in the MST area?

Mike


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7041 times:

As mentioned in another thread, FlyBe will introduce two new routes (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6153444/). In addition, BHX-AMS and SOU-AMS will become 22 weekly during W13.

QR will reduce DOH-BRU to 6 weekly in September (no service on Wednesdays)


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6809 times:
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According to luchtvaartnieuws.nl KL will add 2 additional 77W in 2016/2017. Will these planes finally be the replacement aircraft for the
ancient 747-400 full pax?

So with this order, a total of 14 77Ws (6 on order) are on order or flying for KL. quite a nice number.  


User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 629 posts, RR: 16
Reply 110, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 109):
a total of 14 77Ws (6 on order)

How do you come up with KL having 6 77Ws on order ? KL has 4 on order from ALC, 1 to be delivered in 2015, 2 in 2016 and 1 in 2017. Where are the alleged 2 others coming from ?



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6226 times:
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Quoting Azure (Reply 110):
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 109):a total of 14 77Ws (6 on order)
How do you come up with KL having 6 77Ws on order ? KL has 4 on order from ALC, 1 to be delivered in 2015, 2 in 2016 and 1 in 2017. Where are the alleged 2 others coming from ?

Read the post. KLM confirmed 2 extra 77W this morning. They had 4 on order so that becomes 6.


User currently offlinemdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

The post clearly says that ALC stated that KLM will lease 2 extra 777Ws on top of an order of 2 so that makes 4.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/air...ing-777-300ers-with-klm-2014-08-13


User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 629 posts, RR: 16
Reply 113, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 111):
Read the post. KLM confirmed 2 extra 77W this morning. They had 4 on order so that becomes 6.

The only sources I trust are those from the corporations themselves and ALC clearly states KLM has 4 77Ws on order with them : http://airleasecorp.com/2014/08/13/a...wo-new-boeing-777-300ers-with-klm/
So unless you can prove KLM has more on order from another lessor or directly from Boeing, you are wrong and I am right : KLM has 4 77Ws on order, period. No need to be arrogant.



Quoting mdutch (Reply 112):

  



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Another site reports the following B773ER orders:

KLM on order:

B777-300ER
PH-BVN c/n 44549 MAR 2015
PH-BVO c/n 35946 APR 2015
PH-BVP c/n 44555 FEB 2016
PH-BV. new ALC lease 2nd half 2016
PH-BV. new ALC lease 1st half 2017

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=18429&start=1590


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 115, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 114):
Another site reports the following B773ER orders:

KLM on order:

B777-300ER
PH-BVN c/n 44549 MAR 2015
PH-BVO c/n 35946 APR 2015
PH-BVP c/n 44555 FEB 2016
PH-BV. new ALC lease 2nd half 2016
PH-BV. new ALC lease 1st half 2017

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=18429&start=1590

As far as i know, from my own reliable sources, this is correct, making it the 27th and 28th 777 in the KLM fleet (13 777Ws').
Not really announced, but wouldn't be suprised some of this capacity might be used for 747 replacement.. the 787's will replace the most of the combi fleet (first ones will be for expansion?), so the 777W can replace the full pax versions without requiring KLM to introduce a new type.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5644 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 115):
the 787's will replace the most of the combi fleet (first ones will be for expansion?

If rumours are correct the first ones will replace 74Ms. However, they also must make up their mind about the A330s as the first lease will expire somewhere in 2017 (AFAIK the leases of the 330s are very short).


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5590 times:

China Airlines will reduce TPE-BKK-AMS from daily to 6 weekly during October 25th and January 5th (excluding December 15th - December 29th).

AIS Airlines will commence Bremen - Luxembourg as of September 5th (4 weekly, only Mon - Thu) with J32. The Dutch airline will also start Bremen - Nuremberg (9 weekly) whereby the aircraft will probably fly BRE-NUE-BRE-LUX-BRE-NUE-BRE on Monday thru Thursday.

Cargolux cancelled Maastricht as a stop on their flights from Nairobi. The other Cragolux flights at MST are not affected.


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5592 times:
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Quoting Azure (Reply 113):
No need to be arrogant.

Huh?

Again, you are wrong. Nothing to do with arrogance (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/arrogance) but I am confused what has happened now. The difference I see compared to this morning that apparantly 1 77W has been added in the order overview and not 2.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 115):
the 787's will replace the most of the combi fleet (first ones will be for expansion?

Expand? No, the first ones will (along with the last 333) replace the last MD-11 flights. Then they will gradually replace the 74M.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 115):
used for 747 replacement

The BFA and BFB really get old now....


User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 629 posts, RR: 16
Reply 119, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 114):

Thanks, that's a forum, not an information site. Interesting read though.
PH-BVO (the 5th element) seems to be a mystery : this aircraft does not come from ALC obviously. Where does it come from then ? Its c/n shows it is not new and there is no reference to it in the 777 production list.
http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b777-1-msndesc.htm


Quoting MauriceB (Reply 115):
the 777W can replace the full pax versions without requiring KLM to introduce a new type.

Correct, AFKL are replacing their 744 with 77Ws


Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 118):
Again, you are wrong. Nothing to do with arrogance (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/arrogance) but I am confused what has happened now. The difference I see compared to this morning that apparantly 1 77W has been added in the order overview and not 2.

How can I be wrong when I quote ALC ?!  
How can you not be arrogant when you require me to read posts that obviously I had read ?



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Martinair Cargo will start a weekly cargo flight from Guatemala as of September. The flight (MD-11) will be operated each Tuesday.

User currently offlinebrubiac From Bouvet Island, joined Nov 2003, 217 posts, RR: 7
Reply 121, posted (2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Qatar Airways will start 4 weekly flights DOH - EBB/NBO - BRU starting 1st Octobre with A330-200F


BRU a small airport in a big world.
User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4274 times:

the revised winter 2014/2015 schedule of Turkish airlines on the IST-RTM route gives us a sneak preview on how the 2x daily rotation will probably look like when they have enough slots:


TK 1373 IST 09:20 RTM 12:00 1357
TK 1374 RTM 12:50 IST 17:15 1357
TK 1375 IST 13:15 RTM 15:55 246
TK 1376 RTM 16:45 IST 21:10 246

[Edited 2014-08-29 13:32:33]

[Edited 2014-08-29 13:33:19]

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 116):
they (KLM) also must make up their mind about the A330s as the first lease will expire somewhere in 2017

Perhaps these will be replaced by 787s as well? KL have 23 787s on order, 15 to replace 747combis, the other 8 can't be all for expansion.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 118):
Expand? No, the first ones will (along with the last 333) replace the last MD-11 flights.

Well, indirectly I guess. The last 4 M11s will leave the fleet within the next weeks and the first 787 won't arrive until a year. I guess for the winter schedule the capacity is not needed, but for next summer KL needs new aircraft already. Some of the 77W's on order may cover that. As LJ mentioned, some A330s are on short lease and KL themselves have said their A330s are on the way out (along with the M11 and 747, sadly).

I wonder what role KL has in mind for the 7 A350s they will receive from 2019 onwards. To replace the remaining A330s?

Quoting Azure (Reply 119):
PH-BVO (the 5th element) seems to be a mystery : this aircraft does not come from ALC obviously. Where does it come from then ?

I guess this will be the ordered directly by KLM, they placed an order for a single frame with Boeing in May 2013.

Quoting Azure (Reply 119):
Correct, AFKL are replacing their 744 with 77Ws

I expected the full pax 744s to be replaced by 77Ws earlier, however with KL having equiped their 747s with the new WBC seats these will stay for a couple of years still. KL still has 7 full pax 744s AFAIK, certainly not for all of these replacements have been ordered (just the last 2 77W's ordered through ALC perhaps?).



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User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2509 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 123):
KL still has 7 full pax 744s AFAIK

Well, yes . . . . and no.
KLM operates five (5) real full pax 744s:
PH-BFA
PH-BFB
PH-BFG
PH-BFL
PH-BFN

All other (17) 744s are Combis. However I think you are correct, in the sense that two (2) Combis (PH-BFF, PH-BFM) are currently operating in full pax configuration. So that makes a total of 7 full pax 744s.


BTW, Combined with 8x 77W, this means that KLM is currently operating a grand total of no less than 15 VLA planes (when defined as 400+ seats):
77W = 35C + 393 Y      
744 = 42C + 341Y)
Makes me wonder if a 450 seat A380 Combi would perhaps suit them (yes, I'm fully aware of the problematic Combi regulations, but one can dream . . . ), together with a handful of 650 seat hub-to-hub (DTW, MSP, ATL, JFK) monsters.

Rgds,
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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2692 posts, RR: 6
Reply 125, posted (1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
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Air Serbia initially considered increasing Belgrade-Brussels from daily to 8 weekly but it seems that the airline will not be introducing the extra frequency in the end- most likely due to an aircraft shortage.

On the other hand, Amsterdam will be going from daily to 10 weekly.

1234567
06.40-09.20 // 10.40-12.55

--3-5-7
18.05-20.40 // 21.20-23.35

All flights will be operated by the A319 and they start with the winter season.


User currently offlinelexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 124):
All other (17) 744s are Combis. However I think you are correct, in the sense that two (2) Combis (PH-BFF, PH-BFM) are currently operating in full pax configuration. So that makes a total of 7 full pax 744s.

Are you sure it's BFF and BFM? I thought PH-BFH and PH-BFY are the combis that were converted to full pax. These aircraft fly many routes normally flown by full pax (e.g. NBO, CUR, SXM, PBM).


User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2509 posts, RR: 12
Reply 127, posted (1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting lexer (Reply 126):
Are you sure it's BFF and BFM?

No, I'm not 100% sure. This is what I have in my notes, but quite frankly, I'm not sure which website was the source of my notes . . . I'll add your data to my notes as a second source.

Thanks,
PW100



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 127):
No, I'm not 100% sure. This is what I have in my notes, but quite frankly, I'm not sure which website was the source of my notes . . . I'll add your data to my notes as a second source.
http://www.theklmsource.com/klmjettracker.html


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 3167 times:

Some routenews

HV released information on their S15 schedule and it shows a lot of changes (note not all flights have been loaded yet)

New service
RTM - TXL (6 weekly)

Increased frequency
EIN - VLC (from 3 to daily)
AMS - PSA (from daily to 10 weekly)
AMS - SKG (from 3 weekly to 6 weekly)
RTM - BUD (from 3 weekly to 6 weekly)
RTM - VIE (from 5 weekly to 6 weekly)
EIN - CPH (from 4 weekly to daily)
EIN - LIS (from 5 weekly to daily)
EIN - SAW (from 4 weekly to 6 weekly)

Decreased frequency
AMS - LIS (from 10 weekly to daily)
AMS - NCE (from 11 weekly to daily)

Axed flights
RTM - SAW (currently 3 weekly)
RTM - VLC (currently 3 weekly)
RTM - PRG (currently 5 weekly)
AMS - SAW (currently 5 weekly)

bron: Luchtvaartnieuws.nl/transavia.com

Not all flights have been loaded yet therefore it's unknown if the omission of EIN - MAD in S15 is a cut or just not loaded. However with FR starting this route, it will be interesting if EIN - MAD will return. l

Other route news
FR will start MAD - EIN (3 weekly)
EK will deploy the 77W daily on DXB - BRU as of February 2015


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Etihad Region aka Darwin (F7) will increase service to BeNeLux.

Amsterdam will will be served 13 weekly from Leipzig as of W14 (twice daily on Sunday - Friday and one flight on Saturday).
Brussels will get a 4 weekly mid-day flight to/from Dresden and 3 weekly to/from Leipzig as of S15.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2367 times:

Wizz Air will increase Bucharest - Brussels CRL from 7 weekly to 11 weekly as of July 26th 2015.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (3 weeks 3 days 24 minutes ago) and read 1815 times:

AMS
Centurion has suspended its cargo flights ex AMS. (see also Centurion Air Cargo Faces Grounding - Unpaid Debts (by LAXintl Sep 9 2014 in Civil Aviation) reply 37)
Air Canada will restart YYZ-AMS as of June 4th 2015 (6 weekly 767-300ER).


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (2 weeks 50 minutes ago) and read 1432 times:

Eindhoven Airport reported that it has passed the 3mio passenger mark at the end of Q3 2014, which is an increase of approx 16%. Moreover they increased their expectations from 3.8mio passengers to 3.9mio passengers for FY2014.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 week 4 days 9 hours 23 minutes ago) and read 1130 times:

As already mentioned in a separate thread, KL will start Amsterdam - Edmonton in S15

KL To Start Edmonton Summer 2015 (by 76er Oct 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

U2 will start AMS-HAM in S15. The route will be flown 6-7 weekly. Moreover U2 will increase certain routes:
BSL - AMS increases from 12 weekly to 15 weekly
LGW-AMS increases from 49 weekly to 51 weekly
STN-AMS increases from 20 to 21 weekly
SXF-AMS increases from 17 weekly to 18 weekly


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 week 3 days 1 hour 36 minutes ago) and read 776 times:

Some routnews

BRU
BMI Regional will increase both NWI - BRU and EMA - BRU. EMA - BRU will increase from 13 to 16 weekly and NWI - BRU will increase from 11 to 16 weekly. Both destinations will be 3 daily on Weekdays.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 136, posted (1 week 3 days 16 minutes ago) and read 655 times:

I guess you mean Newcastle rather than Norwich. Norwich would be very pleased if they had a BRU service.

User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 137, posted (1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 407 times:

Camiel Eurlings, KLM's CEO, has stepped down effective immediately. He has been replaced by Pieter Elbers who was the chief operations officer.

http://nos.nl/artikel/710393-eurlings-weg-als-topman-klm.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/nieuws_d...__Eurlings_stapt_op_bij_KLM__.html



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 week 1 day 2 hours 30 minutes ago) and read 371 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 136):
I guess you mean Newcastle rather than Norwich. Norwich would be very pleased if they had a BRU service.

Correct, for some reason I regulary mix these two...

Some other news.

The Dutch government approved the growth plan for EIN. They may grow with an additional 25,000 flights between now and 2020 in two steps . Initially, they may grow with 10,000 slots till November 2015. If the airport has taken enough steps to reduces noise, it may grow with an additional 15,000 slots. Additionally the governement will look at increasing the number of landing slots between 23:00 and 00:00 as of next year.


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