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Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 49629 times:
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In order to accommodate Boeing and Airbus orders for 2014, a new thread is now open for discussion. Part 3 of the 2013 is available here:

Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2013 - Part 3 (by SA7700 Dec 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)?nocache

Enjoy the forums!  

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 49189 times:

To kick off this thread, here is the first announced order for 2014. Reuters - Air Algerie signs deals to buy Airbus, Boeing jets

Quote:

* Deals to strengthen domestic, international routes

* Boeing purchase for 737-800 jets, $724 million cost

* Air Algerie facing rivalries on foreign routes

- The order is also for 3 three A330-200s. They will finance with the Algerian state banks.
- Deliveries starting September 2014 through end of 2016.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 49162 times:

The Airbus order might be booked in 2013, we have to wait until next Monday.


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User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 48707 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):

The Airbus order might be booked in 2013, we have to wait until next Monday.

Boeing listed this Air Algerie order under 2013 today.


User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 48375 times:

Just noticed that the EK 777 order was not booked for 2013, and so that should give Boeing a good head-start into 2014.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 47783 times:

Singapore Airlines-Tata joint venture orders 20x A320 aircraft.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...s-sources/articleshow/28579582.cms

[Edited 2014-01-09 00:53:44]


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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 47755 times:
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@ Karel - the article says they're going to be leased, so it won't be a new order as such, methinks

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 47736 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 6):
so it won't be a new order as such, methinks

We don't know, perhaps we will see a new order from a lessor.



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 47433 times:

With the current activity and commitments to be firmed up 2014 seems to be very promising order-wise for Airbus and Boeing.
I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see another year with 1000 with both manufactures.

Deliveries should reach record levels as well.
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 47396 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 8):
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?

Boeing will publish those numbers at the end of the month, Airbus will do it next Monday.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12868 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 47323 times:
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Quoting chiad (Reply 8):
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?

I would expect Airbus's target to be around 660, Boeing's should be somewhat higher if they can smooth out 787 deliveries.



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User currently onlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 998 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 47003 times:

Boeing Numbers (at a guess) on current production rates

737 - 504 (42/month)
747 - 18 (1.5/month)
767 - 21 (1.75/month)
777 - 100 (8.33/month)
787 - 100 (10/month - uncertainty)

Total - 743 Aircraft.

included in this total are military aircraft.


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3848 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 46840 times:
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Dang.. the thread is about new orders, and it took 11 posts to clutter it up with leases, 2013 data and production forecasters..
Let's just keep this on for announced sales by the manufacturers.. otherwise it wanders into rumor and wishing.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2830 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 46306 times:

From the previous thread, quoting Flood:

Quote:
Per Airbus' order spreadsheet QR has apparently converted its order for six A319neo to five A320neo.
Initially reported by flightglobal pro which I don't subscribe to, so I'm not aware of any other details.

A German aviation magazine is now reporting that QR has converted all of their 19 A 319NEO orders into 320NEO orders, meaning the launch customer for this version is not interested any longer in this version. Out of all NEO orders just 1% is for 319NEOs.


User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 45780 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 10):
would expect Airbus's target to be around 660, Boeing's should be somewhat higher if they can smooth out 787 deliveries.

I put Airbus at under 640 and Boeing conservatively at 730. By value the picture tilts heavier towards Boeing as 78% of Airbus deliveries are single aisle compared to 68% at Boeing. Boeing's deliveries will be worth about 25% more in dollar volume than Airbus this year. I don't see this changing until the A350 gets up to speed in several years time.


User currently onlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 45753 times:

i think there will be increase in propotion of NB at both of B&A when we have max and neo deliveries

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 45257 times:

Quoting travelhound (Reply 11):
Boeing Numbers (at a guess) on current production rates

737 - 504 (42/month)

B737 production rate will hit 42 per month in the coming months, current rate is 38.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 44855 times:

I just noticed 8 unidentified 777 orders that appeared for the first time on the December report. Anyone have an idea on who these are for?

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 44802 times:

Weren't those for Air China?


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44439 times:

Undisclosed 100-aircraft order comprises 15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321, a mix of both current and re-engined versions. #airbus
http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/422679891293650945

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44420 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321

I have seen those numbers before, Air China and Shenzen?



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44406 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
Undisclosed 100-aircraft order comprises 15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321, a mix of both current and re-engined versions. #airbus

I think this could also refer to the 100 UFOs booked still in December 2013 which JL referred to in his press statement!



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44392 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
Weren't those for Air China?

Those are already disclosed on the O&D report:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Incidentally I thought that order was for 7 77Fs and 1 77W but Boeing has them all going to Air China cargo.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 44376 times:

Interesting news: "Airbus reached 1,619 gross orders, 11 more than in the previous record year of 2011 and 88 more than Boeing received in 2013. Net orders (1,503) were also above the previous high mark."
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_01_13_2014_p0-653903.xml

So by Boeing not firming the EK order Airbus won the order race in a battle that I am not sure they are really fighting. Very close year. Unbelievable numbers.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I have seen those numbers before, Air China and Shenzen?

Could be. It would make sense as that is how China orders come up at Airbus.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 21):
I think this could also refer to the 100 UFOs booked still in December 2013 which JL referred to in his press statement!

It is the very same.  

tortugamon


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2830 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44188 times:

Airbus deleted the Kingfisher A 350 and A 380 orders from their list of orders. It was for 5 A 380, don't remember the number of A 350s.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 25, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44952 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23):
So by Boeing not firming the EK order Airbus won the order race in a battle that I am not sure they are really fighting. Very close year. Unbelievable numbers.

Almost unbelievable indeed. And very good for both OEM's.  .

Since the EK B777-X order was not finalised in 2013 Boeing will have a huge head start for 2014 in the WB-market.  

[Edited 2014-01-13 10:25:52]

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31384 posts, RR: 85
Reply 26, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44894 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 24):
Airbus deleted the Kingfisher A 350 and A 380 orders from their list of orders. It was for 5 A 380, don't remember the number of A 350s.

5 x A350-800


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 27, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 45476 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 25):
Since the EK B777-X order was not finalised in 2013 Boeing will have a huge head start for 2014 in the WB-market.

Challenge accepted   



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 28, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 45417 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
Challenge accepted  

  Not sure that I am challenging you.   I like to see as many orders for all OEM's, though I have a bit softer spot for Airbus and RR. I'll admit that.  


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3848 posts, RR: 27
Reply 29, posted (11 months 1 week ago) and read 44757 times:
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OK first Boeing sale of 2014
per Yahoo Finance
Boeing and Alaska Airlines (ALK) complete Boeing's first firm airplane order of 2014 for two additional 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplanes; Boeing directly delivers Alaska's 100th Next-Generation 737 (BA) : Co and Alaska Airlines (ALK) completed Boeing's first firm airplane order of 2014 for two additional 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplanes. The agreement, worth $192 million at current list prices, coincides with today's direct delivery of the 100th Next-Generation 737 airplane to Alaska Airlines.

edit: add Boeing Media report with all the usual blah blah blah
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-01-...ivery-of-100th-Next-Generation-737

[Edited 2014-01-14 15:12:32]

[Edited 2014-01-14 15:13:04]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 30, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 44330 times:

Boeing adds 10 new orders to the book: 8x Air Algerie (737) and 2x Alaska Airlines (737).

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm



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User currently offlineKengo From Japan, joined Apr 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 43711 times:

Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gecas-may-order-40-boeing-110052138.html


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 43065 times:

Quoting Kengo (Reply 31):
Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

Confirmed.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...g-confirm-order-40-planes-21602492


User currently offlineKengo From Japan, joined Apr 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (11 months 23 hours ago) and read 42882 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 32):

My apology...looks as if this order was booked last year but announced today.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 34, posted (11 months 12 hours ago) and read 42424 times:

Quoting Kengo (Reply 31):
Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

That order was booked in 2013 as "unidentified customer", so it seems.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-01-...7-MAXs-and-20-Next-Generation-737s



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User currently onlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (11 months 9 hours ago) and read 42257 times:

According to Reuters, Doric expects to complete Airbus A380 order "soon".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...inance-doric-idUSL5N0KU38E20140120


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3848 posts, RR: 27
Reply 36, posted (10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 41717 times:
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From the Boeing orders and deliveries page
"Changes since last update: 23 new orders (Unidentified Customer(s) 20 737s and Jackson Square Aviation three 737s). In the changes category, reduce 737 net orders by three."


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 41144 times:

In December 2012 and August 2013 there were 77W unidentified orders for 30 and 7 units respectively. I assume the 30 units are for Chinese carriers to be doled out later? Can anyone confirm either of these?

thanks,

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 38, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 40933 times:

I recall reading both orders are for the Chinese market.


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 39, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 40758 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 37):
In December 2012 and August 2013 there were 77W unidentified orders for 30 and 7 units respectively. I assume the 30 units are for Chinese carriers to be doled out later? Can anyone confirm either of these?

Yes. Should be MU for 20 and CZ for 10 (though I might have that reversed). In fact, CZ's first frame just rolled out at PAE. The other order for 7 should be QR.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 40, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 40730 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 39):
The other order for 7 should be QR.

Those 7 are for Air China I believe.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 41, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 40334 times:

CAPA has 20 going to China Eastern and 10 going to China Southern and they don't show up and Boeing's O&D report so I suspect we have the answer on the 30 unit order.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ina-eastern--china-southern-147480

The 7 unit order is more of a toss up. CAPA also has a 7 unit order for EVA and I know QR made an order for 7 units at Le Bourget so I am still not sure. I can't find the 7-unit order for Air China Karel.

tortugamon


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 42, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40184 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 39):
The other order for 7 should be QR.

Those 7 are for Air China I believe.

Sure you're not thinking of the 8 F's they got from CX? When Boeing booked that order, it was listed as UFO for a while, and only 'disclosed' them last month.

Otherwise I haven't heard of CA taking 7 more 77W, although it wouldn't surprise me, either.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 43, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40066 times:

Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...onair-boeing-idUSBREA0Q0AM20140127

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 41):
I can't find the 7-unit order for Air China Karel.
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 42):
Sure you're not thinking of the 8 F's they got from CX?

I must have been confused, apologies.

[Edited 2014-01-27 00:58:30]


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 44, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40046 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.http://t.co/rMxWoaLjgQ (subscription required)

Does it say how many 737's or what variants they'll be getting? Any suggestion on what type of widebody they'll go for next? I'm guessing A333.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 45, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 39973 times:

I have updated my post with a link which does not require a subscription.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 46, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 40013 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 44):
I'm guessing A333.

9 abreast A330 Regionals do make sense. I wonder which is cheaper. Cebu's 436 seat A330 may get a run for its money.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 47, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 39891 times:

If they want something bigger, they could convert the order into -9s. That said, I guess it would push deliveries into the 2020s due to the large 787 backlog. If they want sometime in the short term, the A330 regional with 400 seats might suit them well.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12868 posts, RR: 46
Reply 48, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 39674 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
If they want something bigger, they could convert the order into -9s.

I would have thought -10s would be better for them, but then the wait would be even longer as well.

I can see them ordering A333s now and then 787-10s at a later date.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6990 posts, RR: 63
Reply 49, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 39607 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.

Boeing are going to have to try again to find homes for those early sometime ANA planes...


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31384 posts, RR: 85
Reply 50, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 39480 times:
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The 5 787s were going to Batik Air and they supposedly have 2 A330-200s and 3 A330-300s on order.

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Reply 51, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 39381 times:

20 years ago Airbus and Boeing sold only 125 planes each. Quite a growth since that. In 1993 Airbus sold only 38 planes!

User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 39226 times:
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Boeing's first WB orders of the year: 4 T7s and a 787...

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 38845 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 52):

.......and a 787...


A BBJ. Could it be one of the early built?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 54, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 38308 times:

Linhas Aereas de Mocambique (LAM) announced an order today for three 737-700 NG airplanes (+ three purchase rights).

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-02-...Announce-Next-Generation-737-Order



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 55, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 37787 times:

Airbus booked 10 orders in January (7x A321ceo, 2x A350) and noted 5 cancellations (1x A319ceo, 4x A320ceo).

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 37746 times:
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AB also showed conversions of the ILFC and Libyan Air 358s to 359s, more significantly.

User currently offlinewimdemeester From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 37780 times:

Did I miss something that might have happened earlier but the order list for the 358 now shows only 46 orders which indicates that ILFC and Libyan apparently changed their orders to (partly) the 359 If this is correct than it goes without saying that the 358 is effectively dead by now.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 58, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 37853 times:

Quoting wimdemeester (Reply 57):
Did I miss something

Airbus is switching A350-800 customers to the larger -900 model. It seems the A330neo will now replace the A350-800.

A330 NEO Becoming More Likely Part 4 (by SA7700 Jan 31 2014 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2014-02-07 03:04:46]


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 59, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 37674 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
Airbus is switching A350-800 customers to the larger -900 model. It seems the A330neo will now replace the A350-800.

All the signs are pointing in that direction at this time.   The last conversions from ILFC and Libyan Air underline this clearly.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 60, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 37062 times:

What's nice is AA has placed a repeat order for the 321 CEO , obviously they must have been happy with their current deliveries

Fron the news brief
"
Among the month’s new business was American Airlines’ acquisition of seven A321ceo aircraft"

Karan


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3401 posts, RR: 9
Reply 61, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 36920 times:

Isn't there something a bit of about the AA orders as in they're getting converted to orders with lessors as they're about to be delivered but the original 130 were ordered by AA?

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Reply 62, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 36769 times:
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Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 61):
Isn't there something a bit of about the AA orders as in they're getting converted to orders with lessors as they're about to be delivered but the original 130 were ordered by AA?

No, not at all. AA ordered 130 A321neo directly from Airbus. They also ordered 130 A319/321ceo from leasing companies (which is where they're listed in the Airbus O&D spreadsheet). AA also added another 7 A321ceos in January - if you look at AA's entry in the 'Worldwide' tab of the O&D spreadsheet, it now shows AA having ordered 137 A321 (with no distinction between ceo and neo).

At the end of Jan, the O&D spreadsheet shows AA A319 orders as 0, deliveries as 0, but operated as 15. Those 15 have come from leasing companies. The corresponding orders and deliveries will be listed under the leasing company. The only way to see which leasing companies have provided planes to AA is to watch the 'Deliveries' tab of the O&D spreadsheet.

December 2013's shows the following deliveries:
02-12 1 x A321 CIT (American Airlines)
16-12 1 x A321 CIT (American Airlines)
17-12 1 x A321 CIT (American Airlines)
17-12 1 x A319 Z/C Aviation Partners One LLC (American Airlines)
20-12 1 x A321 CIT (American Airlines)

So, the four A321s will be listed as orders by and deliveries to CIT, but will be added to the operated number for AA. All the info is in the spreadsheets, but it does take a little detective work to find.



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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 63, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 36090 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 62):
They also ordered 130 A319/321ceo from leasing companies (which is where they're listed in the Airbus O&D spreadsheet).

The questtion is how many of the 130 A319/A321ceo's are covered by leases as of today. maybe AA found it cheaper to buy these 7 A321 than to lease them. I saw a statement from SUH lately that for every A321 delivered to ALC he can choose at least from two interested airlines and therefore (more of less) dictate the leasing rate. So it is not clear to me that these are really 7 additional aircraft.


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 36036 times:

But from an Airbus perspective they would be additional under that scenario as the ones under the lease will go elsewhere not be cancelled.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12868 posts, RR: 46
Reply 65, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 35685 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 63):
The questtion is how many of the 130 A319/A321ceo's are covered by leases as of today.

Unless you know all the allocations of all the outstanding lessor orders, I'd say you won't know until AA stops taking ceos.

Quoting StTim (Reply 64):
But from an Airbus perspective they would be additional under that scenario as the ones under the lease will go elsewhere not be cancelled.

They are clearly new orders as far as Airbus is concerned, because there was no corresponding cancellation of seven A321s (although that could follow at a later date). We'll have to wait for a while to see how many ceos AA ends up with.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 66, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 35317 times:

Looks like Asiana is buying about 14 A380s and 8 A350s. Though it isn't very obvious what portion of the 14 A380s will be new orders vs the 6? that they already have on order. If I am not mistaken this would make them tied for the third largest operator of the type if they are all new orders.

google the following fort the WSJ article: Asiana Seeks to Expand Airbus Fleet

tortugamon


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31384 posts, RR: 85
Reply 67, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 35208 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 66):
Looks like Asiana is buying about 14 A380s and 8 A350s.

The article seems a bit unclear, at least to me.

It starts with "Asiana Airlines will buy at least 14 superjumbo and other airliners from Airbus Group through 2018". That sounds like it could mean 14 airliners in total. It then quotes Asiana's chairman as saying they will order 30 total large airlines though an as yet determined date. It notes that Asiana will receive two A380s this year, and then will order two new A380s in 2015 and two more in 2017. it also notes they will order 8 A350s.

So if they order 8 A350s and 4 A380s, that is 12 of the 14 new planes.

And will these 8 A350s be new orders, or a conversion of their 8 A350-800s to the -900 or -1000?

And 4 new A380s on top of their current 6 would be a total of 10 for the type.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 35123 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 67):
It starts with "Asiana Airlines will buy at least 14 superjumbo and other airliners from Airbus Group through 2018". That sounds like it could mean 14 airliners in total. It then quotes Asiana's chairman as saying they will order 30 total large airlines though an as yet determined date. It notes that Asiana will receive two A380s this year, and then will order two new A380s in 2015 and two more in 2017. it also notes they will order 8 A350s.

Are we sure that it is not the case of a journalist mixing up orders and deliveries. You could read the way that they "purchase" i.e. get produced frames in these years, and the number of "orders" suspiciously coincides with the planned deliveries


User currently offlineMaxiAir From Germany, joined Mar 2013, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35049 times:

Sounds like 14 in total or 14 additional to me, as well as 8 A350, what leaves between 8 and 14 others to the as well mentioned 30, so maybe some more 330 or 321? Just my opinion.


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Reply 70, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 34968 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 68):
Are we sure that it is not the case of a journalist mixing up orders and deliveries.

The numbers are too coincidental for me. I think he's talking about deliveries.



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Reply 71, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 34945 times:

There is a lesson in journalism (and careful reading) some where in here. I read the same paragraph and found 14 new A380s being purchased and now that I read it again, I think it is indeed deliveries and there are no further A380s being reported. That is a big difference.

tortugamon


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34549 times:
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The Airbus Viet jet deal has been signed... It was originally meant for 62 firm 32Xs and options

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/433144637155336192/photo/1

Flightglobal says it's now for 70 firm

RT @MaxABEd: @airbus signing deal with VietJetAir for up to 100 (inc 30opt) #A320ceo/neo #SGAirshow

[Edited 2014-02-11 00:01:16]

And from Reuters the break up of models...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...w-vietjetair-idUSBREA1A09920140211


[Edited 2014-02-11 00:07:45]

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34301 times:

G´day

Seems the Doric A 380 order is close   

http://www.4-traders.com/AIRBUS-GROU...r-changes-name-to-Amedeo-17927682/

Cheers

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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34053 times:

Yalla.

Quoting india1 (Reply 72):
Flightglobal says it's now for 70 firm
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 73):
Seems the Doric A 380 order is close

Excellent! Thanks for the update.
But the Doric doesn't seems to be ready though.
Quote:
"Airbus is putting the finishing touches on an order worth up to $8 billion for A380 superjumbos from Doric Lease Corp, sources close to the deal said on Tuesday, as the leasing company also prepares to change its brand."


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 33990 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 72):
Flightglobal says it's now for 70 firm

No it doesn't.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-deal-for-up-to-100-a320s-395775/

"The deal, which covers A320ceo and A320neo family aircraft, comprises firm orders for 63 aircraft and purchase rights for 30 more. The Vietnamese airline will also take seven additional aircraft through leasing companies..........Airbus chief operating officer for customers John Leahy says that a last minute deal over lunch with VietJet Air executives at the show for an A321neo flight-test aircraft increased firm order from 62 to 63 aircraft."


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 33909 times:
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Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 75):
No it doesn't.

Shouldn't the 7 leased frames also be incl as firmed? The Airbus press release certainly seems to indicate that -

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...finalises-major-a320-family-order/


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34033 times:

That depends if they are existing orders that the Lessors have already made or new ones.

User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 33727 times:
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If...and I again stress "if"...the OZ article includes new 388 orders I can just see some peoples' heads exploding here 

Good start for the 320neo family   its shaping a pretty impressive backlog me thinks


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 33512 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 78):
If...and I again stress "if"...the OZ article includes new 388 orders I can just see some peoples' heads exploding here

  

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 78):
Good start for the 320neo family   its shaping a pretty impressive backlog me thinks

You think?  
More than 2 frames ordered in average everyday since launch.


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 80, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 33280 times:

Air Finance reports about a possible A320neo order with PW1100G forthcoming:
http://www.aviationnews-online.com/

PW has an annoucement planned for tomorrow, so there could be some truth in it!
http://www.pw.utc.com/News/Story/20140203-1300/2014/All%20Categories


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32088 times:
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OK, so on Day II of Singapore, Doric / Amadeo is now a done deal! It's all over the press and Airbus are also confirming it.

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Reply 82, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32071 times:
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Quoting india1 (Reply 81):

Finally done  I m sure a L O T of people wrote this off as a dead deal


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5005 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32080 times:

Hello All,

Airbus have secured an order at the SIN Air show for 20 A380's worth $8.3 billion.

Any ideas as to whom would be ordering 20 frames? Certainly is good news for Airbus!

Airbus announces Amedeo order for 20 A380s worth $8.3 bn

European plane maker Airbus on Wednesday announced 20 orders by Amedeo, formerly Doric Lease Corp, for its flagship A380 superjumbo worth $8.3 billion at list prices.

The order from Amedeo was announced at the Singapore Airshow, where both companies signed the final agreement for the purchase.

"This firm order from Amedeo is a clear recognition of the A380s long-term market appeal," said John Leahy, Airbus chief operating officer for customers.

Source: http://news.malaysia.msn.com/regiona...r-for-20-a380s-worth-dollar83-bn-2

I've opened a separate thread: Airbus Announces Order For 20 A380s Worth $8.3bn (by EK413 Feb 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

EK413



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31645 times:

Flightglobal also says that there are no customers for the Doric A380s yet, it says it is a speculative order

Additionally, the headine in FG is that it has ordered UP TO 20 A380s, make of that what you will.

[Edited 2014-02-12 02:48:38]

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31627 times:

But they must be a long way along with customers or I cannot see them having firmed up the order.

User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31221 times:
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Quoting fcogafa (Reply 84):
Additionally, the headine in FG is that it has ordered UP TO 20 A380s, make of that what you will.

I cant see that : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...e-amedeo-firms-up-20-a380s-395828/


User currently offlinebobdino From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31040 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 84):
Additionally, the headine in FG is that it has ordered UP TO 20 A380s, make of that what you will.

No, it's not. Flightglobal have used a somewhat confusing turn of phrase. To "firm up" means to "confirm" an order. You could rewrite the headline as "Amedeo confirms order for 20 A380s".


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31042 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 86):
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 84):
Additionally, the headine in FG is that it has ordered UP TO 20 A380s, make of that what you will.

I cant see that : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...5828/

He probably just misread "firmed up" for "firmed up to" - almost happened to me as well  .



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Reply 89, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 30976 times:
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Airbus are pretty clear it's a firm order for 20:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...medeo-firms-up-order-for-20-a380s/

Quote:
Amedeo (previously Doric Lease Corp) and Airbus have finalised the contract for 20 A380s originally announced at the 50th Le Bourget Airshow on 17th June 2013. The final agreement was signed today at the Singapore Airshow 2014 by Mark Lapidus, CEO of Amedeo and John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers.



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 30811 times:

G´day

The original text in FlightGöobal was "up to"

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 84):
the headine in FG is that it has ordered UP TO 20 A380s

Since obviously they also read the A´net they must have realized the error and corrected it


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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 30726 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 90):
The original text in FlightGöobal was "up to"

Thanks - glad I'm not seeing things!


User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 30284 times:
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So what besides the two hits for Airbus (Vietjet and AmEdeo) what do we have on the Boeing corner?!

[Edited 2014-02-12 12:41:02]

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 93, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 30249 times:
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Quoting Ab345 (Reply 92):
Amadeo

AmEdeo.  


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Reply 94, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 30241 times:
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 93):
AmEdeo.

Already corrected. Besides that was is the "score" up to now ? 


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Reply 95, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30070 times:
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Quoting Ab345 (Reply 94):
Already corrected

Tha capital E was my way of trying to make clear that the new name of Doric is Amedeo. But it is understandable that people easily think it is changed into Amadeo. I made the same mistake myself too.  


User currently offlineMaxiAir From Germany, joined Mar 2013, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30075 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 80):
Air Finance reports about a possible A320neo order with PW1100G forthcoming:
http://www.aviationnews-online.com/

PW has an annoucement planned for tomorrow, so there could be some truth in it!
http://www.pw.utc.com/News/Story/20140203-1300/2014/All%20Categories
http://www.aviationnews-online.com/e...order-pw-powered-a320neo-aircraft/



Has anything new occured concerning this suspicious A320-order?
Would love to see Malaysian Airlines fly the A320-Family!



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30083 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 92):
So what besides the two hits for Airbus (Vietjet and AmEdeo) what do we have on the Boeing corner?!


Nok Air ordering 15 B737s, eight 737-800s and seven 737 Max


User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30003 times:
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 95):

Last two days I have taken quite a beating about spelling on this site  I feel like I'm in school again lol! Joking aside, I also read about the Amedeo history and who it was named after. Do they count as 2014 orders though? I remember Mr. Leahy saying @ the Paris show that Airbus doesn't count MoU on its' spreasheets so if this reasoning stands, 2013 closed with the 50 EK order and 2014 opened up with the Amedeo order? I am correct on this?

Do we have a type for the MAX order of Nok Air? Is this the MAX 8?

[Edited 2014-02-12 14:34:57]

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 99, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 29928 times:
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Quoting Ab345 (Reply 98):
Do they count as 2014 orders though?

I think they do. Last year they signed a MoU, but that is no firm order yet. As of today, the 20 A380's signed for by Amedeo are firm on order.

[Edited 2014-02-12 15:25:06]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 100, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 29656 times:

I believe this is a new order for 4 789s for DY.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_02_13_2014_p0-663750.xml

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Reply 101, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29663 times:
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That link is to an OP-ED by Richard Aboulafia on how Airbus is doomed.

Google News doesn't have anything on a new DY order, just the reference to the two leased 787-9s.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 102, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29808 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):

My bad. Here is the link:


http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/norwegi...-four-new-787-9-dreamliners-960737

Are these new orders? New leases?

tortugamon


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Reply 103, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29794 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 102):
Are these new orders? New leases?

Per the article, they are new leases placed with ILFC.

Quote:
Norwegian continues to expand its international operations by entering into an agreement with International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) to lease four Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners. The new Dreamliners are expected to enter service in 2017 and 2018.

ILFC has 41 787-9s on order, so these are likely going to be delivered to DY from "dealer stock".


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 29579 times:

G´day

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-places-order-for-four-a330-200s/

Aerolineas argentinas 4 x A 330-200 order just announced. Been rumored about some time


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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 29487 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 95):
Tha capital E was my way of trying to make clear that the new name of Doric is Amedeo. But it is understandable that people easily think it is changed into Amadeo. I made the same mistake myself too.

How not to choose a new brand name?


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 29428 times:

Is that now 14 A330's this year? So for the 200 target we need another 186.

I have just read Richard Aboulafia's piece. It is very one sided and slanted and I am sure even the most optimistic analysts within Boeing see it this way.

He sees the decline of A350-800 orders as doom for Airbus when I think most see a campaign process by Airbus to move orders to the -900. Yes it then leave a hole potentially where the -800 was but so far this year we are seeing good orders for the A330.

The A380 is his next target. In reality it has more orders in the last 6 months than for the previous two years. Yes a large proportion are for the one customer and that is a difficuolt place to be. As the global economy hopefully recovers there may be more need for plane as like many others I think the -900 will be much better looking.


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Reply 107, posted (10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 29092 times:
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An order for the 332! That's interesting news today   And here we were seeing how unwanted and obsolete the 200 variant was.

Although I have to admit it's not cutting edge tech, we must never forget that not all operators can afford 150 777Xs 
Some will have to live with just 4 A332s  


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 28899 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 106):
I have just read Richard Aboulafia's piece. It is very one sided and slanted and I am sure even the most optimistic analysts within Boeing see it this way.

It's difficult for me to see how anyone can take Richard Aboulafia seriously, especially since that the (healthy) A330 backlog is the only one "shrinking" for Airbus.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 97):
Nok Air ordering 15 B737s, eight 737-800s and seven 737 Max

This is "just" a commitment.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...e-nok-air-to-order-15-737s-395841/


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Reply 109, posted (10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 28836 times:
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Quoting Ab345 (Reply 107):
An order for the 332! That's interesting news today.   And here we were seeing how unwanted and obsolete the 200 variant was.

I am sure they are replacements for their four A340-200s. As such, the decision may have been driven by matching capacity, the need for more range than the A330-300, or both.


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Reply 110, posted (10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 28472 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 109):
I am sure they are replacements for their four A340-200s. As such, the decision may have been driven by matching capacity, the need for more range than the A330-300, or both.

Totally agree Stitch. My comment was about the D.O.A. status of the 332 frame. Four frames don't make that much of a difference but again it's something  


User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 28427 times:

New Member here  

So the P&W link posted above, said "signing with a new customer" and press briefing, does anyone know who the new customer was?


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Reply 112, posted (10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 28478 times:
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Quoting Ab345 (Reply 110):
Totally agree Stitch. My comment was about the D.O.A. status of the 332 frame.

As the A330-300 comes closer to the performance of the early A330-200, customers who were buying the smaller plane because it alone had the range they needed can now take advantage of the larger capacity and better economics of the A330-300.

With the latest 242,000 kilogram TOW, I expect the A330-200 is now good for around 4500nm with a 50,000 kilogram payload. While still 1500nm short of what an A340-200 can fly that payload, I would not be surprised if it is within the range envelope of most A340-200 operators - especially as no A340-200 operator ordered the A350-800LR, which would have been a natural replacement (perhaps they will instead go with second-hand A340-500s if they need more capacity at similar ULH ranges).


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 27928 times:
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These 330s I posit are not new orders as such but a revealing of the Dec order for 4 units of the -200 version. At the time, I had linked a news report speculating on who the customer was, and now it's clear (to me) they're for Aerolineas Agentinas

User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27793 times:

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 111):
So the P&W link posted above, said "signing with a new customer" and press briefing, does anyone know who the new customer was?

BOC Aviation

http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20140212-0000/2014/All%20Categories


User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 27368 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 114):
BOC Aviation

http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20140212-0000/2014/All%20Categories

Thanks! Suspected it wasn't a new Airbus order as I've never heard of a situation where the engine OEM schedules the press conference.


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26537 times:

G´day

Spring Airlines to order 30 A 320´ies, not yet a firm order but......

http://www.4-traders.com/KOREAN-AIR-...yes-3-billion-A320-order-17967317/


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26364 times:

G´day

Boeings turn now for a 737 order from Turkish / German Sun Express

http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...r-for-50-Boeing-aircraft-17967946/

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 118, posted (10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26373 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 117):
Boeings turn now for a 737 order from Turkish / German Sun Express

The order includes 40 firm orders and 10 options and comprises 25 737-800 NG and 15 737-8 Max aircraft. Deliveries between 2015 and 2021.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-02-...5-737-MAXs-25-Next-Generation-737s

[Edited 2014-02-19 04:12:00]


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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26339 times:

Do we know if either of these orders are really new - or just declarations of the unnamed orders from last year?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 120, posted (10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26332 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 119):
Do we know if either of these orders are really new - or just declarations of the unnamed orders from last year?

It looks like a new order. There are no undisclosed customers listed with 15 737 Max on order.

http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26063 times:

G´day

A busy day today,

Now its Kuwait Airlines firming 10 A350-900 and 15 A320neos

http://www.4-traders.com/AIRBUS-GROU...ct-to-buy-25-Airbus-jets-17969394/


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 122, posted (10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25961 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 121):
Now its Kuwait Airlines firming 10 A350-900 and 15 A320neos

That was quick, only MoU-ed last December and now firmed already? You would expect it to take a bit longer due to government involvement.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 123, posted (10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25946 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
ou would expect it to take a bit longer due to government involvement.

Maybe the government in Kuwait is highly efficient?   .

But this is good news indeed.  .


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 124, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25793 times:

Also worth noting the deal includes a second contract for the lease of seven A320s and five A330s.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-lease-12/articleshow/30686079.cms



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User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25749 times:
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Karel what is the final number for A350 orders by model? I don't really trust wikipedia 

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 126, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25778 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 125):
what is the final number for A350 orders by model?

> A350-800: 46
> A350-900: 589
> A350-1000: 189

Total: 824



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User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25916 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 126):

Thank you very much for the immediate answer   Would love to see them hitting 4 digits by the end of 2014


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25857 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 127):
Would love to see them hitting 4 digits by the end of 2014

Me too! But I think it's a stretch, especially since I believe that the A330NEO will be launched and might nibble on the A350-800 backlog.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 129, posted (10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25804 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124):

Also worth noting the deal includes a second contract for the lease of seven A320s and five A330s.

Any info whether they be used or new builds?


User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25783 times:
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Quoting chiad (Reply 128):

I believe some repeats will follow especially after EIS. For some reason I m holding out for NH. They have of course shown interest in the 777X but I do hope I m proven correct   Just wishing here of course


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 25604 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 125):
Karel what is the final number for A350 orders by model

How does Karel know the FINAL number? God online?


User currently offlineAb345 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2013, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 25576 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 131):

From what I have seen from his posts he is always up-to-date and really knows his 'stuff'   Anyone who knows best may correct any of us I presume also


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31384 posts, RR: 85
Reply 133, posted (10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 25598 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 131):
How does Karel know the FINAL number? God online?

Consider it the final number as of today, not of the program's life.  


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Reply 134, posted (10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 25513 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 133):
Consider it the final number as of today, not of the program's life.

Very properly stated Stitch   So where are we up to now with Airbus and Boeing?


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25412 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 132):
From what I have seen from his posts he is always up-to-date and really knows his 'stuff' Anyone who knows best may correct any of us I presume also
Quoting Stitch (Reply 133):
Consider it the final number as of today, not of the program's life.

don't be too serious. this just sounded so funny i could not resist


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Reply 136, posted (10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25401 times:
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Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 135):

Well you never know in here  Anyway so where are we on orders numbers? I guess the Singapore show was a hit for Airbus? Boeing secured some MAX orders if I remember correctly?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 137, posted (10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25364 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 128):
But I think it's a stretch, especially since I believe that the A330NEO will be launched and might nibble on the A350-800 backlog.

I don't expect the A350 backlog to shrink much, most operators will switch to the larger -900 instead. The A330-200 has less seats while the A330-300 has less range than the A350-800, I believe the A330neo will attract a different market.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 129):
Any info whether they be used or new builds?

Don't know yet. First deliveries will start this year already, indicating it might be second-hand jets.

[Edited 2014-02-19 13:48:46]


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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (10 months 16 hours ago) and read 25122 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
I don't expect the A350 backlog to shrink much

I dont expect the A350 backlog to shrink at all. I just dont expect it to grow by some 175 frames to hit 4 digits.

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 127):
Would love to see them hitting 4 digits by the end of 2014

But I would love if it did as well.!
 


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 139, posted (10 months 8 hours ago) and read 24720 times:

Airbus officially confirms the Kuwait Airways order:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...commitment-for-25-airbus-aircraft/

I still cannot believe it  



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Reply 140, posted (10 months 8 hours ago) and read 24661 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
I still cannot believe it  

Well, more proof than this is impossible I would say?      


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 141, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 24536 times:

Boeing's weekly update is showing the following as firmed this week

Cargolux: 1 747-8F
SunExpress: 25 737-800 & 15 737-8MAX
Unidentified: 9 737s


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 142, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 24610 times:

Boeing changes since last update: 50 new orders (Cargolux Airlines one 747, SunExpress Airlines 40 737s and Unidentified Customer(s) nine 737s). In the changes category, reduce 737 net orders by nine.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm



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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (10 months 6 hours ago) and read 24509 times:

Someone seems to be quicker 

Cheers

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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 144, posted (10 months 4 hours ago) and read 24347 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 142):
Unidentified Customer(s) nine 737s. In the changes category, reduce 737 net orders by nine

Sounds like a NG to MAX conversion


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 145, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23663 times:

Related to sales (and I don't think we should start a new thread for this), Airbus will increase A320 production to 46 per month in Q2 2016.

http://www.airbus-group.com/airbusgr...6_airbus_a320_production_rate.html



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User currently offlinep201055r From Ireland, joined Sep 2011, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23491 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 136):
I guess the Singapore show was a hit for Airbus? Boeing secured some MAX orders if I remember correctly?

If I recall correctly too, there was a pre-Singapore announcement by Boeing, reported on FG I think, of a substantial Indian sub-continent order (for 737 series) being finalised and an announcement to be made during that show.
However, I can't find any follow-on.
Can anyone "in the know" provide clarity on this one?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 147, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 23492 times:

Quoting p201055r (Reply 146):
Can anyone "in the know" provide clarity on this one?

There was only 1 Boeing order announcement (an 737 commitment from Nok Air) during the air show:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-02-...rder-737-MAXs-Next-Generation-737s



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23137 times:

Quoting p201055r (Reply 146):
If I recall correctly too, there was a pre-Singapore announcement by Boeing, reported on FG I think, of a substantial Indian sub-continent order (for 737 series) being finalised and an announcement to be made during that show.
However, I can't find any follow-on.
Can anyone "in the know" provide clarity on this one?

I believe you mean the Bloomberg article for SpiceJet?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-9-billion-of-boeing-max-jets.html



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 22668 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 148):
I believe you mean the Bloomberg article for SpiceJet?

This might be an upcoming sale.
As for now it's not an order, not even a commitment!


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Reply 150, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 22682 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Reply 148):
I believe you mean the Bloomberg article for SpiceJet?

A Big MAX order eh? With fries, I trust  

Rgds


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 151, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22190 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 149):

Quoting mffoda (Reply 148):
I believe you mean the Bloomberg article for SpiceJet?

This might be an upcoming sale.
As for now it's not an order, not even a commitment!


I believe we'll find that this IS, in fact, a firm order. But booked last year as Unidentified.

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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22425 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 149):
This might be an upcoming sale.
As for now it's not an order, not even a commitment!
Quoting astuteman (Reply 150):
A Big MAX order eh? With fries, I trust

Did I say or imply anywhere that it was an order or commitment? p201055r was asking about a "pre-Singapore announcement". I just pointed to the announcement. Is there an issue with that?



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22328 times:
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The 16 x USN P8s have been shown as booked by Boeing this week

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


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Reply 154, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21878 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Reply 152):
Did I say or imply anywhere that it was an order or commitment? p201055r was asking about a "pre-Singapore announcement". I just pointed to the announcement. Is there an issue with that?

Perhaps I should restrict light hearted attempts at humour to the to the posts of posters more likely to find it humorous?
If we've got any.

I know it wasn't that funny. My kids liked it though. Ah well.

Rgds


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21600 times:

Reuters reports China Eastern Airlines to order 70 A320neo.

BEIJING, Feb 28 (Reuters) - China Eastern Airlines Corp Ltd 600115.SS 0670.HK said on Friday it will order 70 A320neo planes from Airbus AIR.PA for about $6.37 billion.
The planes will be delivered to China Eastern from 2018 to 2020, the firm said in a stock exchange filing.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 156, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21570 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 155):
delivered ... from 2018 to 2020

It seems that production rate increase might have played a role here   



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21529 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 156):
It seems that production rate increase might have played a role here


Airbus have earlier stated that they are aiming for 60% of the NB market, counting only A320 and 737 sales.
With Boeing planning for 45(?) per month, Airbus needs to increase prodution to much more than the 46/month they recently announced.

This order is by the way the first in China for the A320neo. More to come later this year.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 158, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21503 times:

The China Eastern order is most likely part of the 100 commitments announced in September last year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...airbus-china-idUSBRE98I0CI20130919

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 157):
Airbus have earlier stated that they are aiming for 60% of the NB market, counting only A320 and 737 sales.
With Boeing planning for 45(?) per month, Airbus needs to increase prodution to much more than the 46/month they recently announced.

I meant something else. The A320neo was sold out until 2020/2021; due to the latest production increase announcement China Eastern Airlines can now take delivery of all 70 aircraft before the end of the decade.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 157):
This order is by the way the first in China for the A320neo.

Not entirely:

> Zhejiang Loong ordered 9 jets last year
> Qingdao Airlines placed a MoU for 18 jets last year
> HK Aviation Capital placed a MoU for 60 jets last year

[Edited 2014-02-28 02:28:12]


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User currently offlineIndia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20800 times:
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The Hyderabad Airshow is coming up & WSJ says Astuteman's "Big Max with fries" is going to be served with Indian Spice.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 160, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20733 times:

Quoting India1 (Reply 159):
The Hyderabad Airshow is coming up & WSJ says Astuteman's "Big Max with fries" is going to be served with Indian Spice.

It might be the revelation of one of the undisclosed orders Boeing booked last year. They still have lots of undisclosed orders in the order book.



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User currently offlineIndia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20711 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 160):
It might be the revelation of one of the undisclosed orders Boeing booked last year. They still have lots of undisclosed orders in the order book.

Yes, likely. The article mentions Jet & Indigo orders as well, although the latter may not quite be ready in time


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20450 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 150):
A Big MAX order eh? With fries, I trust
Quoting astuteman (Reply 154):
I know it wasn't that funny. My kids liked it though. Ah well.

Prah ha ha ha
  

I must be just like your kids.
Hmmm .. I sounded just like my wife. Maybe she's right after all?
  


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 779 posts, RR: 6
Reply 163, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19776 times:

Just been informed...

KLM will receive 23 787-9 in a 276 seat config (9 less than the MD11 and right between the A332 & A333s) and (only   ) 7 A350's....

I personally hope for more 350s in the future!  

//Edit: Found a more detailed 787 config (not confirmed though! Wikipedia) C36 Y+45 Y195
//Edit2: Also:

B787 Deliveries (unconfirmed, Wikipedia):
2015: 2
2016: 9
2017: 5
2018: 2
2021: 1
2023: 2
2024: 2

A350 Deliveries:
2019: 2
2020: 2
2021: 2
2022: 1

[Edited 2014-03-06 06:49:59]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 164, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19562 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 163):
KLM will receive 23 787-9

Yes, 15 are from the AF/KLM order of 25 + 8 lease from ILFC.

Quoting starbucks (Reply 163):
276 seat config
Quoting starbucks (Reply 163):
C36 Y+45 Y195

It seems the cabin configuration has changed since last year, there was initially no mention of Y+

http://www.uncweb.nl/nieuws/articlet...g-tussen-de-cabinevakbonden-en-klm



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 165, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19479 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 163):
KLM will receive 23 787-9 in a 276 seat config (9 less than the MD11 and right between the A332 & A333s) and (only ) 7 A350's....

I personally hope for more 350s in the future!

Hmm, this was already known for a couple of weeks already. And don't worry, there will be more A350s for KL. When it will be time to decide on 772 replacements, I'm sure current options on the A350 will be exercised. 7 is too small a subfleet for KL.



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Reply 166, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19358 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 160):
It might be the revelation of one of the undisclosed orders Boeing booked last year. They still have lots of undisclosed orders in the order book.

I think Jet Airways will order 50 MAX next week. SpiceJet is still a wildcard, they are incurring huge losses, have large dues to airports and recently auditors declared company's net worth is negative. As much as I would like to see Boeing orders, SpiceJet need to get its house in order. If at all it happens rumor is for 38 MAX (30 new, 8 conversions)


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Reply 167, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19355 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 165):
And don't worry, there will be more A350s for KL. When it will be time to decide on 772 replacements, I'm sure current options on the A350 will be exercised. 7 is too small a subfleet for KL.

Though not a new order, that is my expectation as well. Will make a nice combination to see the B787 and the A350 operating side by side from AMS.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 168, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19370 times:

GECAS ordered 5 more 737 aircraft.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm



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Reply 169, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19246 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 165):
Hmm, this was already known for a couple of weeks already.

Okay... Just heard today..   Hadn't read about it over here either..



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Reply 170, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18858 times:
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Regarging the A330 MRTT, I don't know if this belongs in this thread (even if it just a tweet confirmation) but it seems to be official:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ore-confirms-a330-mrtt-buy-396677/

The article says it is speculated to be around 6 frames.

[Edited 2014-03-06 15:31:58]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 171, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18607 times:

Airbus February figures:

> 20x A380
> 10x A350
> 78x A320
> 33 narrowbody cancellations

Gross: 108
Net: 75

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/

The Aerolíneas Argentinas A330 order is not in the books yet.

[Edited 2014-03-07 01:13:21]


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 172, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18406 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 171):
The Aerolíneas Argentinas A330 order is not in the books yet

Wasn't that booked in 2013 an UFO?

Who is behind the cancellation?

[Edited 2014-03-07 01:42:46]

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Reply 173, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18392 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 172):
Wasn't that booked in 2013 an UFO?

Yes, their spreadsheet had a 4 frame -200 Undisclosed order booked on 19th Dec


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Reply 174, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18403 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 172):
Wasn't that booked in 2013 an UFO?

Ah yes, I forgot that one.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 172):
Who is behind the cancellation?

According to Reuters, the cancellations are linked to airline restructurings in Indonesia and Serbia.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 175, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18374 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 168):
GECAS ordered 5 more 737 aircraft.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

In addition it was 8 737 UFOs this week as well


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 176, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18383 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
According to Reuters, the cancellations are linked to airline restructurings in Indonesia and Serbia.

Mandala -25 A320
Air Serbia -8 A319


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18663 times:

were these ceo's or neo's?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13070 posts, RR: 35
Reply 178, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 170):
Regarging the A330 MRTT, I don't know if this belongs in this thread (even if it just a tweet confirmation) but it seems to be official:

Airbus Defense confirmed the A330 order:

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/PressC...T-Multi-Role-Tanker-Transport.aspx

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 176):
Mandala -25 A320
Air Serbia -8 A319

Thanks  

Quoting StTim (Reply 177):
were these ceo's or neo's?

CEO's

[Edited 2014-03-07 02:11:56]


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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 179, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18382 times: