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PIT Update Thread 28  
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 28575 times:

The previous edition was getting long, so here is #28. #27 is archived here PIT Update Thread 27 (by PITrules Aug 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 28612 times:

Visual treat to get this edition started are postcards from my collection of stuff featuring PIT.

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0001-5.jpg
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User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 28436 times:

I love the pictures thank you for posting

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 28409 times:

I used to have one of those 1980s postcards, the one with that USAir 727 on 28C...


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28097 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Reply 2):
I love the pictures thank you for posting

Thanks; hopefully some of the others who work at the airport will continue to post pics of diversions, etc.



Construction to begin on Southern Beltway corridor
"Construction is about to being on a Southern Beltway section that is being hailed as a vital link between the energy corporation headquarters in Washington County and Pittsburgh International Airport."
http://www.observer-reporter.com/art...0113/NEWS01/140119791#.UtS4xrRjKOl


"Passenger numbers up 66 percent at Arnold Palmer Regional"
http://triblive.com/news/westmorelan...t-passengers-flights#axzz2qLckfJaF



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 27669 times:
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So PIT awarded a contract for an advertising agency

Quote:
The partnership creates new opportunities for businesses in PIT to increase brand awareness, such as, that to date, have never been explored in this market, including a skybridge billboards, spanning four lanes of traffic, glass graphics, and column wraps in new areas andreaching local passengers as they drive by the terminal. on the lower level In addition, a new Digital program will play 5-second commercials on monitors throughout the terminal.
http://www.aviationpros.com/press_re...irport-unveils-outdoor-advertising


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 27668 times:

Here comes a Delta 764 from CDG
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL185

Hopefully some more wide bodies to come this afternoon/evening. There have also been a handful of positioning flights, mainly by US and Republic.

US 757 from DUB:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE723

[Edited 2014-01-21 11:26:17]


FLYi
User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27488 times:
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US 757 from PHX:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20140121/1650Z/KPHX/KPIT

DL 738 from MSP:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...4/history/20140121/1900Z/KMSP/KPIT

UA 319 from ORD:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...0/history/20140121/2004Z/KORD/KPIT

and full links for the two in the post above

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...5/history/20140121/0940Z/LFPG/KPIT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20140121/1115Z/EIDW/KPIT

edit to add: this one is kinda interesting.

US 319 from BOS. Scheduled for BOS-PHL-PIT and it went to PIT from the start. US' website says "Details: The flight will not stop in Philadelphia but will continue to the scheduled destination of Pittsburgh."
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20140121/1630Z/KBOS/KPIT

[Edited 2014-01-21 18:02:29]

User currently offlinekrod031 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 27142 times:

US Will move operations center to Dallas. Sad for the 600 local US Employees, but not shocking news


http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/...ways-moving-pittsburgh-operations/


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27011 times:

"Plans already underway for newly closed operations center in Moon Township"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...already-underway-for.html?page=all

With Pgh's tight office market this building won't sit vacant for long.

However this news and the news that the 911th air wing has yet another fight for survival on its hands seems to indicate 2014 will shape up to be another bland year for PIT as I also don't foresee one new route added this year by the current airlines serving PIT.



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 26829 times:
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AF1 may be making a visit Wednesday. Doesn't say how POTUS will be traveling.

Quote:
President Barack Obama plans to visit Pittsburgh on Wednesday, a day after delivering the State of the Union address, the White House announced Saturday.

The White House will release details of Obama's visit “in the coming days,” a White House official said
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/5...74/obama-visit-plans#axzz2rLtNWjV9


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 26612 times:

Yet another rundown on the saga of US Airways pulling down PIT.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/we...curring-theme/stories/201401260180

Some interesting tidbits though, such as confirmation that Kent George, the ACAA Chief Exec who presided over the pull down, had and continues to have no idea about the realities of the industry.

"But Mr. George, formerly of the county Airport Authority, questioned the decision. He pointed out that the Moon center handled all US Airways domestic and international traffic even though Pittsburgh wasn't a hub and the airline's headquarters was in Phoenix.

"I don't understand what they're doing. It's a brand-new facility that I would think is capable of handling the entire new airline," he said.
"

There is not one reason why the DFW SOC would be closed so that PIT can remain.

"I don't fault US Airways for how they are establishing their route structure and where they're going to put their focus cities. What I fought them on was the way they did it," Mr. George said."

Fight them over "the way they did it"? Not exactly choosing your battles very well. In the mean time, this is the guy who wasted money on an unneeded wide body deice pad and an addition to the landside terminal all while the airport's costs were already sky high.

US Airways decision to pull down PIT was business, not personal. All the focus on this is ridiculous at a time airlines have increased seats at PIT over the past year by 4% while traffic is actually lower over the past year. A horrible combination for an airport. AA's new PIT-LAX flight goes out half full on most days. The ACAA and local leaders need to focus on the current challenges.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26568 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 11):
US Airways decision to pull down PIT was business, not personal. All the focus on this is ridiculous at a time airlines have increased seats at PIT over the past year by 4% while traffic is actually lower over the past year. A horrible combination for an airport. AA's new PIT-LAX flight goes out half full on most days. The ACAA and local leaders need to focus on the current challenges.

Good points. I'm trying to figure out why that 738 is only half full. The traffic is definitely there to support such a flight. Is the flight not timed well? Does it offer adequate onward connections to the rest of the West Coast as well as to Hawaii and the South Pacific? Is is possible for AA to switch the time so that they can gain in LF?



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 26435 times:
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Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 10):

Just noticed the TFR filed:

Quote:
Area A
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the MONTOUR VORTAC (MMJ) 290 degree radial at 2 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º29'42"N, Longitude: 80º14'13"W)
Radius: 30 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1645 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1145 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 1745 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1245 EST)
Area B
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the MONTOUR VORTAC (MMJ) 290 degree radial at 2 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º29'42"N, Longitude: 80º14'13"W)
Radius: 10 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1645 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1145 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 1745 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1245 EST)
Area C
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the ALLEGHENY VOR/DME (AGC) 078 degree radial at 6 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º18'54"N, Longitude: 79º55'12"W)
Radius: 30 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1700 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1200 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 2015 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1515 EST)
Area D
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the ALLEGHENY VOR/DME (AGC) 078 degree radial at 6 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º18'54"N, Longitude: 79º55'12"W)
Radius: 10 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1700 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1200 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 2015 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1515 EST)
Area E
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the MONTOUR VORTAC (MMJ) 290 degree radial at 2 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º29'42"N, Longitude: 80º14'13"W)
Radius: 30 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1930 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1430 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 2100 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1600 EST)
Area F
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the MONTOUR VORTAC (MMJ) 290 degree radial at 2 nautical miles. (Latitude: 40º29'42"N, Longitude: 80º14'13"W)
Radius: 10 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From January 29, 2014 at 1930 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1430 EST)
To January 29, 2014 at 2100 UTC (January 29, 2014 at 1600 EST)


User currently offlinebeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26413 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 1):

Great stuff. Is that mobile visible in roughly the 17th photo from the top the same as the one that currently is in the Midfield terminal?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26302 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 12):
Is the flight not timed well? Does it offer adequate onward connections to the rest of the West Coast as well as to Hawaii and the South Pacific?

It does offer connections, however the down time at LAX for South Pacific connections is quite long. The problem with a 5pm departure is it does not allow for a full business day in Pittsburgh. It should be scheduled to depart later, or first thing in the morning.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 12):
Is is possible for AA to switch the time so that they can gain in LF?

I'm sure there is a reason it is scheduled as is. Perhaps lack of gate space at LAX. I'm hopeful loads will improve as the US/AA integration continues, and hopefully they would use a smaller A-319 before considering axing frequencies.

Production of at least 3 more movies is set to begin in Pittsburgh in the next few months, that should help things as well.

Quoting beiaard (Reply 14):

Great stuff. Is that mobile visible in roughly the 17th photo from the top the same as the one that currently is in the Midfield terminal?

Thanks; I believe it is the same mobile but not 100% sure. Perhaps someone that works at the airport can answer that one.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25929 times:

I'm not sure what to think of this one...


"Allegheny County wooing Emirates airline"
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/re...rates-airline/stories/201401310091


The 'hub' idea is a non starter, unless the intent is to fly to PIT as a spoke and set up code shares with domestic carriers here which may be slightly more realistic but still not probable.

OTOH, with the amount of airplanes EK will be getting, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility EK will be serving medium sized markets with healthy economies; such as RDU, MSP, etc. within 5 years. Similar idea to BA's entry into AUS.

Also, with PIT's location between the northeast and midwest, it makes sense to make a case to Emirates SkyCargo for a flight combined with road feeder service. Add to that PIT promoting itself to be a primary A380 diversion airport for EK .... this trip isn't a total wasted effort.



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User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 25908 times:

With the combined new fleet that US/AA will have, perhaps it would simply make more sense to run PIT-LAX as a 319 or E90 (90-125) seats route rather than a 738 (160-ish). Also, keep in mind that the new AA flight competes almost directly with United's nonstop, rather than having a distinctly different departure time (such as a morning departure PIT-LAX).

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25818 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 16):

So they want to get EK to set up a hub at PIT? Yeah, as stated in the article, Johnny Law will say no to this...

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 17):
With the combined new fleet that US/AA will have, perhaps it would simply make more sense to run PIT-LAX as a 319 or E90 (90-125) seats route rather than a 738 (160-ish).

Does the E90 even have the range? That's roughly 2300 miles or so from PIT-LAX. Plus, who would want to spend 6 hours in a rather small cabin? I think the A319 idea would be more logical. Didn't US use the A319 on this route right up until they axed service a few years or so ago?



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User currently onlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25804 times:

My god Larry Fitzgerald is an even bigger idiot than i thought. If his ignorance of aviation and PIT's options/potential is any reflection on his knowledge base in general this county is in a LOT of trouble. EK? Old larry must be smoking crack with his counterpart up in Toronto. You couldn't fill a 777 to DXB once a month if you consolidated all of the middle east and Asian traffic for the entire month out of PIT onto that flight.

Looks like another excuse for an expensive political jaunt at best.


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 25769 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 18):
Does the E90 even have the range? That's roughly 2300 miles or so from PIT-LAX. Plus, who would want to spend 6 hours in a rather small cabin?

It's got the range. AC used to run it for YYZ-SAN. It's not quite a 6 hour flight, either, as flightaware lists the AA flight at 5:10 scheduled today westbound which includes winter winds. That's probably about as bad as it ever gets. The seats themselves in an E190 are wider than those in a 737, too, so I don't think comfort would be that bad at all actually.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25715 times:
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Quoting PITrules (Reply 16):
"Allegheny County wooing Emirates airline"
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/re...10091

Best news article I've read all week.      

Quoting Logos (Reply 20):
The seats themselves in an E190 are wider than those in a 737, too, so I don't think comfort would be that bad at all actually.

      Also no middle seats.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3136 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25660 times:

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 17):
With the combined new fleet that US/AA will have, perhaps it would simply make more sense to run PIT-LAX as a 319 or E90 (90-125) seats route rather than a 738 (160-ish).

I've suggested the A319 as well, but there may be a downside with first class offerings. There are times when the first class is fully booked on the 738. AA's A319s only have half the first class seats. Is the extra revenue generated by a full first class enough to offset the higher operating costs of a 738? Only AA has that data. Of course they could schedule a 738 on some days and an A319 on others.

I've never been on US' E190s, but if the first class offering is not up to par to AA's A319s or 737s, then the E190 is a non starter for this route.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 19):
If his ignorance of aviation and PIT's options/potential is any reflection on his knowledge base in general this county is in a LOT of trouble. EK? Old larry must be smoking crack with his counterpart up in Toronto.

I'm certainly no fan of his, but I'll give him a tiny bit of credit for at least thinking outside the box. I'm sure there will be other trade related business as part of this trip as well.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 19):
You couldn't fill a 777 to DXB once a month if you consolidated all of the middle east and Asian traffic for the entire month out of PIT onto that flight.

Demand certainly isn't there today. But I don't think demand is that grim to that part of the world. Demand to cities such as Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul, Delhi, etc is not much lower than that of any city in Europe outside London. Also, growth to those markets from PIT has been 200-300% during the past 10 years.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation

One amazing thing about Emirates is their track record of stimulating markets where there was none. SEA for example struggled to fill a 772 when EK first began. Barely 2 years later the route is being upgauged to a 77W.

Does than mean I think EK serving PIT will become a reality any time soon? Of course not. Should Fitzy be spending his time with Frontier and Alaska instead? Absolutely. But like I said earlier, in about five years time strong medium sized white collar markets such as RDU, AUS, MSP, etc will be fair game for EK service. If Pittsburgh's economy continues to evolve in the next 5 years like it did in the last 5 years, I don't hesitate at all to put Pittsburgh in the same league as those cities. I actually have no issues with this trip to Dubai.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 382 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 25531 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 16):
I'm not sure what to think of this one...

Sounds like Fitzy and his wife want a vacation to Dubai on the taxpayers dime, so he made up this bogus reason. Nothing ever changes with these Allegheny County politicians.


User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 months 8 hours ago) and read 25365 times:
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News today of CLE hub closing down for UA...I doubt the Dash 8 will stick around.

25 Post contains links PITrules : Yep, those flights will be gone for sure. One less city on our route map. "Pittsburgh International struggling despite the region's robust economy" ht
26 steeler83 : A fellow A.netter on Facebook posted the news story. That royally sucks for CLE. Granted it would be one less city in the route network, but how many
27 Cush : It isn't folks flying between PIT and CLE as an end destination, but connecting in Cleveland for flights elsewhere. A while ago, I was pricing flight
28 tarmacphotos : Connection options from PIT (and anywhere else without much non-stop service) sucks on the East Coast. The only airport I enjoy connecting on the Eas
29 Post contains links PITrules : AC Milan and Manchester City will be playing in Pittsburgh in July; hopefully we will see some interesting team charters. http://www.post-gazette.com/
30 JetBlue1058 : Looks like LBE is losing its Nonstop LBE-DFW flights on Spirit at the beginning of April.
31 Post contains links PITrules : "Closing of Cleveland United hub could benefit Pittsburgh International Airport" http://triblive.com/business/headlin...nd-pittsburgh-united#axzz2sEka
32 steeler83 : That sucks. But isn't that more of a business destination rather than leisure, and isn't NK's clientelle mostly leisure? I remember people arguing th
33 threeifbyair : AS doesn't serve CLE (or anywhere in Kentucky/Ohio/Indiana/Michigan for that matter - that is the largest hole in the network). The Big 4 get a lot o
34 kubus : Two things: if you are on US flight, grab the in flight mag and look at the combined fleet listings... apparently EMB145 looks exactly like ERJ170 and
35 PITrules : My take on this was LBE is more leisure based and DFW service was quite a surprise. But a pleasant one, because if DFW works as a business market the
36 steeler83 : Do you suppose anyone would be ballsy enough to go up against UA on PIT-EWR if people would rather go into Lower Manhattan versus Midtown... What doe
37 Flaps : I must disagree. While your point about the US FF's is quite valid, B6 had a horrible schedule to JFK. Combined with poor connecting opportunities an
38 dumbell2424 : Not even....the grand majority is Q400s with an occasional E135/170.
39 JetBlue1058 : Flaps- you are probably in the small (slim) percent that attempted to try B6 whenever, instead of the vast majority of yinzers just saw low fares and
40 JetBlueCLT : I know it's unfortunate that PIT lost B6 service from JFK. I think in the long run it's better for you guys. I can't speak for PIT but I'm a jetBlue
41 Post contains links PITrules : Here are the DoT daily (each way) passenger numbers and average fares in the following currently unserved markets to SEA in June '13: PIT-SEA 202 $314
42 Post contains links PITrules : Here comes the diversion of the day, an Emirates B773 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE231 Also a US A332 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE8
43 Post contains links and images dumbell2424 : This was totally planned, they're testing out the facilities and meeting Fitzgerald for the new hub. A couple others: US 321 MCO-PHL http://flightawa
44 tooluther : A couple pictures of diversions from the PIT Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152289616608933&type=3&l=d2d645ef46
45 tarmacphotos : I'm pretty sure they will spin it that way.
46 pliersinsight : Yes, the PIT Facebook page, where they don't even know how many people the standard 777 or A330 configuration will carry, here's a hint, it is not 50
47 Flytravel : B6 still doesn't have an early morning departure out of PIT into BOS and late return but US does offer it. I wonder with US/AA slowly downsizing MDT-
48 Flaps : If AA/US ever dropped BOS-PIT I would imagine DL would be back on it before B6 could generate a press release.
49 Post contains links PITrules : " Passenger traffic at Pittsburgh International Airport for 2013 was down 2 percent compared to 2012, airport officials said Friday. The airport in Fi
50 Post contains links PITrules : Last week I noticed AA's PIT-LAX now departs at 1750, which is much better than the earlier 1700 (and 1630 before that) departure time. Hopefully this
51 threeifbyair : Looks like it will be changing again, however, to depart at 1215. I'm not sure when exactly the change happens but I saw it come up as part of a biza
52 Post contains images PITrules : I have no idea what they are doing with this flight. So it goes to a 1215 departure in May like you said, then in mid-June it goes back to a 1630 dep
53 Flytravel : As an alternative to the expensive US nonstop fare between PHL-PIT and the long Turnpike drive, I flew TTN-CLE and found it an overall good experience
54 PITrules : The more that F9 expands, the more PIT becomes a larger hole in their network. When I see them add routes like CLE-SEA and STL-PDX, I scratch my head
55 Oak522 : Are we going to see AA move into B any time soon? Also, any chance of a hot meal on AA ex-PIT? I'm rather over "continental breakfast."
56 Post contains images steeler83 : That's IF he STAYS in the left lane!! Those routes aren't even daily and/or year-round, are they? The PHL-PIT market definitely is there, and US(AA)
57 PITrules : Nope. Yet its more than what we have now.
58 steeler83 : I was actually referring to the PUJ and CUN flights from PIT, but yeah, CLE is picking up SEA and one or two other routes courtesy of LCCs coming in
59 PITrules : Looks like someone finally put together a book about the early days of aviation in Pittsburgh. It seems to focus on military aviation, yet something l
60 Post contains links and images PITrules : Rare bird heads up: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BLS7912
61 Cush : I had a random thought and wanted feedback from some other loyal PIT fans... I know we are lucky to have Delta offer PIT-CDG now that the subsidy is g
62 Post contains links and images PITrules : "Consultant: Air service between Pittsburgh and NEPA would be profitable "Resuming commercial air service between Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International
63 steeler83 : Good luck pitching that PIT-ABE/AVP/MDT idea to the airlines. Will they want any part of that, knowing that they'll likely fill only a few B-1900s if
64 Post contains links dumbell2424 : Scheduled charters PIT-ACY in May From PIT Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/PITairport/p...sts/10200622560486928?stream_ref=1 WPA's largest casi
65 tooluther : How many gates does the combined US/AA operation need in the morning? The most efficient this for the airport as a whole would be to actually do the
66 PITrules : A couple B-1900s (or smaller) operated by a second or third tier commuter or air-taxi is all that is needed for this. Its not like they pursuing main
67 Post contains images steeler83 : I always assumed they could move the entire operation over to B as well. I guess there was a lot of speculation about AA possibly wanting to expand P
68 Flaps : D isn't big enough for the combined operations of AA/US and DL. AA's current ops can easily be handled via the existing US gates on B. If a concourse
69 Post contains links PITrules : 911th safe through 2015 http://www.post-gazette.com/local/we...t-planes-safe/stories/201403060317 Thorn Run Rd interchange (near PIT's Airside Busines
70 flightsimer : Went through the interchange today. Always thought it was a stupid design. But 6.2mil to redo it seems pretty steep.
71 JetBlue1058 : Looks like WN is ending PIT-FLL in October, Come on JetBlue! Start south florida service with 1X daily E190 service!! There is demand there, and with
72 Post contains links JetBlue1058 : http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...to-us-airways-strongholds/6313513/ Interesting article, if PIT airport can do anything right, try to get speedb
73 tarmacphotos : This would work here I think. No one from here wants to go through PHL or JFK to get over the pond. So what daily service will we still have to Flori
74 Post contains links PITrules : We certainly haven't been helped by that merger. I really miss USA3000 and AirTran. Like I said in the other thread this is a victory for Spirit at L
75 jbrusnak : I'd love to see AS open up SEA-PIT. As a Pittsburgh native who moved to Seattle and works in the tech industry the lack of a direct flight has been ma
76 ncflyer : Hello Pittsurgh-ians. Me thinks that you might see some traffic start to bleed to CLE with some of the Frontier Expansion and their ultra low fares. I
77 steeler83 : To have that kind of service with that kind of demand is flat out insulting to the Pittsburgh-to-South Florida market! I've flown on an ERJ-145 (EWR-
78 tarmacphotos : I hope AA upgauges the PIT-MIA route to at least an E170 now.
79 Flytravel : WN is also ending PHL-FLL then. However, September and October is the slow season to FLL, probably because kids are in school, weather isn't that cold
80 JetBlue1058 : Actually, service ends Augest 9th so this isn't a slow time they are cutting in. I guess they new more aircraft for DCA and this route wasn't perfomin
81 PITrules : Well CLE benefited from the local PIT market bleeding to CLE for many many years during the US hub days... some estimates in the hundreds of thousand
82 MasseyBrown : I think Frontier is very serious about its CLE investment. Their system really needs a counterweight to DEN to operate more efficiently. Once the ini
83 PITrules : I have no doubt that is the case. I never understood this rationale. Often we heard "JetBlue needs a midwest hub", or "Should Alaska have a hub in th
84 MasseyBrown : It's not for looks, it's for spoke utilization. F9, for example, has lots of cities with three or four flights only to DEN. It's hard to bank departu
85 steeler83 : So, I guess we could see some LCC investment in CLE. Anyone see this potentially hinder PIT's chances at being a focus city again? Granted, AA will ha
86 Cush : I enjoyed the article someone posted on British Airways and their new service to the US (Austin) and potential new service to cities such as Hartford
87 Flytravel : That's true. Along with PHL and PIT, WN is ending RDU-FLL. But B6 which competes directly against WN there, is sticking on RDU-FLL in September and O
88 Flytravel : What was F9's history at PIT besides the PIT-MKE debacle from a couple of years ago? Would PIT remember F9 in that light or would it be different wit
89 PITrules : Regarding the USA today article: "Intriguing possibilities on such a list -- but not ones specifically mentioned by Walsh -- could include Pittsburgh
90 MasseyBrown : Ouch! Not exactly confidence inspiring.
91 steeler83 : When did US even join the Star Alliance? I seem to remember them joining in 2004, after they announced that PIT was to be dehubbed...
92 Post contains links PITrules : "Penrod out as Allegheny County Airport Authority chief" Bradley Penrod was ousted Friday as president of the Allegheny County Airport Authority in an
93 Flytravel : Well besides PIT-MKE, what was F9's domestic route history at PIT? Not that it matters for future possibilities much, but just curious if there was a
94 PITrules : Nothing else other than PUJ/CUN. ACY charters (from LBE too), but that was when they were owned by Republic. MKE was inherited from Midwest Express a
95 steeler83 : And was it after that when LH said FRA-PIT was not feasible? Or did they declare that when they chose CLT in March of that year?
96 Cush : This was rather surprising to read. I know Brad and he is a good guy. I feel bad for him and hope he can find gainful employment soon! To be honest,
97 PITrules : I agree totally. While I'm not surprised to see Penrod let go (it was made known a year ago he would be replaced), the airport's problems are not of
98 Post contains links PITrules : A couple charters enroute from PVR http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK633 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK631 Sure would be nice to see these
99 atct : This is business, not high school. If you run a business that is losing money, you need to change, not matter how "nice" it is.
100 Post contains links PITrules : Rare bird (Atlas Air 767) heads up: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI8614
101 Post contains links and images PITrules : "Pittsburgh International Airport pins hope on next CEO" http://www.post-gazette.com/local/re...e-on-next-CEO/stories/201403180133 Today's earlier 762
102 Post contains links AaronPGH : Thought you guys would get a kick out of this post. Funny shit: August Wilson PIT PAT Fitz Frack MultiMode Node: http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2014/03.
103 steeler83 : Good post! Which one (or ones) of our elected officials would be certifiably insane enough to pursue something like this?
104 Post contains links krod031 : http://www.worldairportawards.com/Aw...stregionalairport_northamerica.htm PIT Was voted #10 in Best Regional Airport in North America by SkyTrax.
105 PITrules : Nothing too exciting considering we were ranked lower than PHL....
106 tarmacphotos : How is PHL on any "best of" list?
107 krod031 : Lol. True, however it could be worse... Not ranked at all.
108 Post contains links PITrules : "FAA finds 'no significant impact' with Consol gas drilling plan near Pittsburgh International Airport" http://powersource.post-gazette.com/...ional-A
109 Post contains links steeler83 : With that infusion of cash, they still should eliminate those landing fees and even decrease the cost to lease gate space. CLE is about to become a F
110 MasseyBrown : I think PIT has enough low-fare presence that the lure of F9 in CLE will be diminished. You might drive that distance to escape hub monopoly-level fa
111 steeler83 : Fair enough. Besides SEA, what other destinations are served (or are about to be served) non-stop from CLE? I guess that's probably what will make th
112 MasseyBrown : By mid-June Frontier will operate CLE non-stops to Atlanta, Cancun, Denver, Ft. Lauderdale, Ft Myers, Orlando, Phoenix, Punta Cana, Raleigh/Durham, S
113 steeler83 : I was actually wondering which cities would be served non-stop from CLE that are not (or will no longer be) offered from PIT, period. However, I can
114 MasseyBrown : If a PIT traveler has to drive 1 1/2 hours to CLE and then another 1 hour at the TTN end, then add in the airport hassle factor, won't it be easier j
115 steeler83 : I figured as much, unless there are those who live northwest of the city (New Castle, Youngstown vicinity) who are ultimately traveling to New Jersey
116 Post contains images PITrules : April marks the last month of service to CLE. While the need for air service to CLE is minimal if not zero now that CLE is dehubbed, I think it deserv
117 steeler83 : I also believe CO flew DC9s between PIT and CLE. One of my first memories of Greater Pitt was seeing my grandparents about to take off for PHX c1988
118 Cush : I would like to point something out that I noticed online the other day... A friend from Erie asked me to help find the cheapest flights for an exact
119 kubus : Anyone know why there was a A320/19 in America West colors at the US maintenance? I thought all were already in US paint, and I did not see any being
120 lakeeffect : While there won't be passengers disembarking between CLE and PIT; technically, the two cities will still be connected via F9's CLE-PIT-PUJ routing an
121 lakeeffect : That was likely N838AW ... it's one of those "heritage livery" which tries to mimic a previous livery of airlines related to US Airways history.
122 PITrules : USA3000 used to sell tickets between PIT and CLE when they did those flights. Too bad Frontier won't do the same to keep that 87 year streak going.
123 MasseyBrown : And apparently they won't, as of today. Maybe that will change. The schedule shows the flights (it also lists CLE-CVG) but won't allow bookings.
124 Post contains links dumbell2424 : Lyft (which has taken the area by storm judging by the amount of people I know who are taking it more and more often) has expanded to include service
125 tarmacphotos : I'm not sure I'd want to jump in an unlicensed jitney that puts a pink mustache on its grill to save a couple bucks. You may as well put an add on Cra
126 MasseyBrown : It's no worse than "Uber" with is a gypsy taxi service in DC and other areas. Some people highly recommend Uber over the existing taxi companies.
127 dumbell2424 : Uber is now in PIT too. The fare estimator on their website says $33-43.
128 GSP psgr : Looks like United will drop PIT-LAX in September. I guess it's not wholly surprising considering the US/AA merger and the relatively new service that
129 PITrules : Got a chuckle out of this, a United ad on my FB feed: "Fly United from PIT Book a flight to CLE on United.com and get the lowest United fare - guarant
130 tarmacphotos : I wonder how many connected through PHX, PHL, and CLT on US? I would think many will now fly AA to LAX because of One World as you mentioned. Also, A
131 Post contains links PITrules : I'm sure many connected through those places just to chase miles, which just kills the region's attempt to get new service which we have seen yet aga
132 Post contains images steeler83 : Is UA trying to tell us something here? hover-cars, anyone? One would think that, but you do have to wonder. What is it that makes people prefer conn
133 MasseyBrown : WN carries an amazing amount of one-stop traffic, even with non-stop competition. DoT says WN carried 24.6% of PIT-LAX in Q3, 2013
134 Flaps : They joined Star prior to 2004 but not long before. It was during the time when UA and US were hotly pursuing their merger plans It really isnt that c
135 dabpit : Passengers just don't want to end up on a regional jet. Other than that the aircraft does not matter as much to the general public.
136 tooluther : I've seen some twitter chatter that B6 is adding PIT-FLL (per speculation above). Anyone have anything credible? Side note: flee WN this morning out o
137 flightsimer : What site are you using to see the PDEW? I'm curious about the numbers for some other routes from PIT. Also, does anyone remember the site that you c
138 Post contains links PITrules : http://www.dot.gov/policy/aviation-p...stic-airline-fares-consumer-report Use Table 6, and the PDEW are in column I. I believe these are for entire me
139 flightsimer : Thank you for the sites, I figured you would know exactly which ones I was talking about. That is very sad to hear about Lucinda. I spoke with her a c
140 Post contains links PITrules : February another bad month at PIT as total available seats were up 2.7% - yet overall traffic down again 4%. http://www.flypittsburgh.com/pit-passenge
141 Post contains images pit : Look out for an announcement from JBU regarding PIT early tomorrow morning. [Edited 2014-04-13 13:49:50]
142 tarmacphotos : PIT-FLL perhaps?
143 JetBlue1058 : PIT: you better not be lying. This JetBlue PIT fan is literally crying if its a new route announcement.
144 JetBlue1058 : Its FLL
145 Post contains images PITrules : PIT- Southeast Florida is too big of a market to only be served by two 50 seaters. If WN doesn't want to maintain FL's market share, someone else wil
146 PITrules : Flights are loaded starting in late Oct. Daily flights, and pleasantly surprised to see it will be an A320. Looks to RON at PIT as well.
147 pit : October 29th https://www.jetblue.com/wherewejet/ I wouldn't look to see many new 190 routes anymore. All have been deferred til 2020.
148 JetBlue1058 : is it a bad thing im already booked on the inagural??? Heck no! Schedule: PIT-FLL 7:10-10:00 B6 2007 (starts Oct. 30th) FLL-PIT: 18:55-21:30 B6 2008 (
149 krod031 : Shoot, I'm seeing O/W Fares at $79 each. Those flights will fill FAST with those prices.
150 GSP psgr : It should be noted that the new flight will allow a bunch of new connection opportunities (and competition) to the Caribbean and South that were not p
151 Post contains links and images PITrules : This is as good a time as any to post this. When JetBlue enters a new market they have a piece of artwork commissioned showcasing the city and their s
152 Post contains links and images dumbell2424 : Looks like Obama is coming back again this Wednesday (14 April) with Biden. So, hoping for another AF1 sighting! http://www.post-gazette.com/news/pol
153 kpitrrat : Oh why not! You have inspired me. Thank You.
154 Post contains links PITrules : Pretty obvious from the tone of the quotes in this article that B6 is still very cognizant that they did not get enough support for their PIT-JFK serv
155 kpitrrat : If that is how they want to put it. From my experience, that flight was not empty. My grapevine told me that the flight was cancelled because they co
156 atct : AA operating PIT-MIA is competition. Yes its not FLL but that is like saying DL serving PIT-JFK doesn't compete with UA operating PIT-EWR.
157 Cush : I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree... When I was a ramp rat for AA and would work the MIA flight, it was a majority of connecting pa
158 PITrules : I don't think it will be status quo with AA on PIT-MIA. In fact things already changed with US joining OneWorld and merging with AA, giving AA a new s
159 PITrules : I don't think they ever travel together on the same plane, so I assume there were two Presidential transports here today? If so I hope someone got so
160 Post contains links dumbell2424 : AF1 (742) and AF2 (752). I couldn't find a good spot on the 10s w/o police moving me along. This Facebook page got some though: http://www.facebook.c
161 Post contains links PITrules : Cool, thanks. "West Mifflin mayor seeks to use county airport 'to its fullest potential'" http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yo...airport-county-kelly
162 steeler83 : Could you imagine the improvements that would be necessary for Lebanon Church Road and Rt. 885? That whole area would become a nightmare! The last tim
163 tarmacphotos : The USAF 757 (used as AF2) was doing touch and goes at AGC the other day.
164 kubus : Schedule: PIT-FLL 7:10-10:00 B6 2007 (starts Oct. 30th) FLL-PIT: 18:55-21:30 B6 2008 (starts Oct. 29th) I do like this schedule, can do a day or weeke
165 Flaps : That is an excellent B6 FLL schedule. I was always frustrated by the poor scheduling of their former JFK service.
166 pit : By the end of May, JetBlue should be fully moved into D79 and sharing a whole concourse with Delta :P .
167 Post contains links PITrules : "U.S. to end federal flight subsidies to three regional Pennsylvania airports" "Mr. Frungillo said the airport would rather have service to Pittsburgh
168 steeler83 : I don't get where he comes up with that number either. Is the ACAA still pushing -- ah, right, the PIT Connector project. Yeah, maybe it will. Bradfo
169 PITrules : The thing with IND (or any out of state airport) is that this would be a subsidy program offered by PennDOT (yes, PennDOT actually has an aviation di
170 Post contains links tooluther : PIT-CDG resumed in about six hours: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL631 Traveling on the repositioning flight from JFK must be a pretty hilariou
171 Post contains images pit : I used to commute on the the JFK-PIT-JFK 757 all the time. Typically got upgraded too. Much better than the CR9.
172 JetBlue1058 : Are you serious about the move from my precious C56???? I gotta get used to D79 e Arggh! Should have supported B6! The E190 sure is more comfy than th
173 kpitrrat : Since UA moved from C the writing has been on the wall for B6 to move. However, this is PIT so things don't happen necessarily when you would think t
174 Post contains images pit : I flew the flight all the time, especially Friday night 9:00P. Either way Delta nor JetBlue was making money off my ticket May 21st
175 steeler83 : I thought the connector also included unserved markets in the general region and not just those in PA. My fault... I guess regarding those out-of-sta
176 Post contains images JetBlue1058 : So is the airport just going to block off C? The customs facility is underground, and the DL 757 would usually get towed over to D78 however occasiona
177 Post contains links PITrules : "But, two other regional carriers have submitted bids to the federal government to start air service to Pittsburgh [from Jamestown, NY]." http://www.e
178 steeler83 : The same airlines interested in JST service to PIT are also interested in starting the DUJ-PIT service. I find that to be rather interesting. That art
179 Post contains links PITrules : Seems like its the same 3-4 airlines bidding for 6-8 EAS routes in the region. What I'm wondering is if the FAA sees these as an all-or-nothing award
180 Cush : OMG... HAHAHA...I can't stop laughing. How could someone publish something this poorly written. I mean, I remember writing some pretty good drunk pap
181 tarmacphotos : “This will take people off a roads and move them behind to atmosphere travel,” This can't be real.
182 flyinryan99 : While these airports are trying to focus on scheduled airline service, how about focusing on on-demand charters instead? I know it doesn't bring in al
183 MasseyBrown : It's as if the article was machine-translated out of English and then back again.[Edited 2014-04-30 07:30:30]
184 PITrules : The thing is, we will be paying for EAS even if it doesn't come to PIT because it is a federal program. For that reason I would like to see it at PIT
185 dumbell2424 : Just saw UA4810 (PIT-CLE) take off.....end of an era
186 Post contains links PITrules : "Allegheny County Airport Authority still employs at heyday level" http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5...t-authority-airlines#axzz30nYh7PNC Expansion
187 steeler83 : How many times daily does WN serve PIT-MCO? According to WN.com they fly 5x daily. Is that even including FL? I think US discontinued flying back in
188 PITrules : I believe WN/FL are 3-6 times daily depending on day and season. DL's Saturday only is very seasonal, only about a month and a half. 6 flights total.
189 Post contains links boeingkid : http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5...t-authority-airlines#axzz30nYh7PNC What is PIT thinking still employing at this level? We all know as soon as t
190 tarmacphotos : Nepotism. This is what happens with one party rule for so long in this county. The same thing is true in all facets of Allegheny County government no
191 Post contains links PITrules : A bit more on the EAS bids: "Silver is asking for nearly $3.8 million in its renewal proposal, including $2.2 million for the Johnstown service. Also
192 Flaps : Does anyone have any information on the C5 that was doing approaches at PIT this evening? I saw at least six approaches between 1645 and about 2000. I
193 tarmacphotos : C-5 was based at Martinsburg, WV, and routinely work the pattern at PIT due to our multiple long runways and very little air traffic.
194 Post contains links tarmacphotos : http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/...ow-pittsburgh-area-thursday/nfryh/ So sad that our airport is so dead the sight of a heavy causes people to cal
195 dumbell2424 : Nowhere in the linked article does it say people called 911. Anyways, it rattled the building I was in (downtown) on a couple of the passes. Was quit
196 tarmacphotos : I'm a cop and was told people called 911 from a dispatcher at County Communications.
197 Post contains links PITrules : "Firm hired to find CEO who can boost flights at Pittsburgh International" http://www.post-gazette.com/news/tra...ch-firm-hired/stories/201405090178
198 steeler83 : Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it... Flights to SAN, SEA, and though it's a long shot, LHR (altho we do have CDG...)
199 PITrules : Pittsburgh is now easily the largest unserved metro from SEA so its only a matter of time. I think SAN actually would be a much longer shot than LHR.
200 steeler83 : You do have a point. Why fly to SAN when you can fly into LAX and just rent a car? What would you think if more than one airline was granted the go-a
201 MasseyBrown : Driving I-405 and I-5 is no day at the beach any more.
202 PITrules : I don't think that could happen because these are subsidized EAS routes. Why subsidize two carriers on a route that can't stand on its own two feet w
203 steeler83 : Yeah, I figured as much. I wonder if these airlines are going to/are considering applying for any other cities from PIT that otherwise cannot support
204 Post contains links PITrules : Sun Air's proposal for DUJ-PIT is 6 flights a day on weekdays, 4 on weekends. Seems like overkill, but I'm not complaining. http://www.thecourierexpre
205 Post contains images steeler83 : That is overkill, even if they are only with 9-seaters. That's 54 seats each way; 36 on the weekends. How many times daily is Silver proposing to ser
206 Post contains links dumbell2424 : Semi-neat spotter alert. The first non-sharkletted (so, a US order) A321 in AA colors being delivered today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/
207 GSP psgr : I'm wondering if PIT would be a strong enough market to support a second carrier to Las Vegas; perhaps Delta with a similar schedule to what they do o
208 PITrules : I would think it should be as it has in the not too distant past with service by both WN and US. PIT was a dehubbed focus city for US, so I'm not sur
209 Post contains images MasseyBrown : Don't give up so easily. Spirit's CEO at the last earnings conf. call, said Spirit represents less than 2 percent of US airline capacity and there is
210 Post contains images point2point : Just to reply to this, but I think that F9 these days is also trying to avoid connections at DEN as much as they can, even though they are historical
211 Post contains links tarmacphotos : http://wavy.com/2014/05/15/new-airli...ring-more-flights-to-newport-news/ What happened to their plan to use PIT as a hub? Fees too high and ACAA woul
212 PITrules : One thing I find encouraging as far as PIT is concerned is that these ULCCs are increasingly entering airports with high fees, such as CLE at IAD. So
213 tarmacphotos : That's good to hear...if it ever takes off.
214 krod031 : On a good note for PIT. WN has re-added its PIT-FLL service. It begins on 11/4. edit: It looks to be on the 800 on Saturdays as well.[Edited 2014-05-1
215 flightsimer : It does, but doesn't. The official connector project that was the subject of the study that was finished last year only included cities within Pa. Ho
216 PITrules : The Connector Project only included 13 cities within PA as far as I know. Were outside cities considered? Perhaps, but if so I don't think that was e
217 kubus : According to 5/30 OAG changes it is dropped as of October.
218 Post contains images PITrules : Good thing November is after October If there is ever one thing I have learned from the OAG threads, it is to check the actual airlines' website for
219 krod031 : I know PEX has peen a hot mess lately, but according to their Facebook page, they are announcing routes and upcoming plans Friday.
220 Post contains links and images PITrules : "Long-awaited airline could finally get off ground" http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...-could-finally-get-off-ground.html Rare bird came and went:
221 steeler83 : Yep, I get it now. Thanks for explaining. It would be cool if the market could sustain more than one carrier, but we'll see how this connector projec
222 tarmacphotos : PEX withdrew their application, but it looks like they will fly under Vision Airlines for now.
223 Post contains links tarmacphotos : I was reading the AA/US summer departures thread, and found it interesting the PIT station for the New American has more daily departures than any oth
224 Post contains links tooluther : "Startup airline PeoplExpress will finally take to the skies June 30 with a schedule that includes a daily flight between Pittsburgh and Newport News/
225 Post contains links PITrules : The good thing about PHF is that this will appeal to travelers going to Richmond, Norfolk, and even the OBX. PIT has no service at all from anywhere
226 AaronPGH : I would kill for some Newark action from PEX. Any chance of that? We could use someone to break the high fares to NYC.
227 kpitrrat : I know with PEX things might be "iffy" at this point. But seeing 1 daily is a good start. Going off of that, werent they thinking about making PIT th
228 PITrules : I think there is a very good chance of that. The bigger concern I have is if it would actually be supported. JetBlue came in and lowered overall fare
229 PITrules : Am I the only one who thinks its weird there has not been one peep from the ACAA regarding PIT's new airline? No mention of PeoplExpress whatsoever on
230 steeler83 : That is quite weird. You'd think somebody would be all over this like they were when WN and B6 announced PIT service. Are they taking this airline fo
231 Post contains links Cush : WOOHOO! Spirit Airlines ADDS two new flights! Latrobe - Tampa Latrobe - Ft. Myers Service starts Dec 18th. Way to go Spirit! Keep adding service! http
232 Post contains images PITrules : The only thing I can think of is a few recent media quotes about PIT "being in continued discussions" with PeoplExpress. Who knows what that might be
233 Post contains images steeler83 : I guess we'll just take a wait and see approach to this and see what the heck materializes... That is good news. Bad, indeed for PIT, but good for th
234 Oak522 : Does anybody know when AA and US will combine ops at PIT? I just booked an AA ticket for Labor Day and realized dinner might still be double-catered f
235 steeler83 : I'm wondering the same thing. I'm wondering when AA will move over to B. I seriously doubt US would be the one to move over to the end of D. If this
236 Oak522 : It's s real schlep down to those AA gates now (too far from the Club).
237 PITrules : Speaking of US Airways club, does anyone know what the former clubs on the roof of the A and B concourses are used for now, if anything? Instead of wa
238 dabpit : They currently sit empty.
239 Post contains links PITrules : Unlike DUJ which wants to stick with Silver and IAD, AOO is supporting Sun Air and flights to PIT: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/co...-closes-in-o
240 MasseyBrown : Silver does their maintenance in DUJ. No Silver, no mx jobs.
241 Post contains links PITrules : BFD is now also supporting Sun Air to PIT, citing poor service by silver. "In his letter to the DOT, Frungillo reiterated that airport officials have
242 Post contains links USFlyer26 : More development in the PIT corridor. "Office buildings are going up faster than airplanes in the Pittsburgh International Airport corridor these days
243 Post contains links and images PITrules : That's not saying much . Seriously though, its great to see the local office market doing so well, both downtown and in the burbs. AF1 is at PIT yet
244 Post contains links PITrules : Reading this, if I understand correctly it looks like 2 out of 3 DUJ-IAD flights proposed by Silver would stop in JST: http://www.tribune-democrat.co
245 MasseyBrown : To be fair to Silver, their system service and reliability was pretty good until the pilot shortage came along in January, affecting all the regional
246 steeler83 : More international flights would be awesome. I wonder how likely that would be for PIT as this trend continues... DL's seasonal PIT-CDG service is nic
247 Cush : I respect the CDG service as well, but many people connect to other parts of Europe, and flights from LHR are MUCH higher than connecting through FRA
248 Post contains links PITrules : My remark was more directed at the choice between one nonstop to IAD vs four to PIT; not really implying anything about Silver's reliability although
249 Post contains links and images dumbell2424 : Friend of mine texted me a pic showing N18MV (Minnesota Vikings Falcon 2000) parked at the Atlantic ramp. Would be awesome to see this beaut take off.
250 steeler83 : Is it seriously that much to fly one pax one mile from JFK? I'm calling shenanigans at that! I seriously think that PIT's numbers are dropping due ma
251 PITrules : No doubt NK at LBE is a factor. So when looking at the Pittsburgh market as a whole, one should consider the 300,000 pax/year at LBE. But I don't thi
252 Post contains links EK413 : Hi All, This discussion has 250+ response's & slow to load for users so Part 29 has been created to continue the conversation. The previous thread
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