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Bombardier To Assemble Q400 Turboprop In Russia  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11685 posts, RR: 33
Posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Bombardier and Russia are out of the woods and have reached an agreement for building the Q400 turboprop in Ulyanovsk. Final assembly of the first aircraft is scheduled to start in 2015 and should eventually reach an output 24 aircraft per year. A Canadian team will be responsible for quality control.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/24/2141/

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The serial production of Bombardier Q400 aircraft will be launched in Russia in 2015. It was declared by the Managing Director of Aviation Projects of Russian Technologies State Corporation (Rostec), Alexei Fedorov, during a conference dedicated to prospects of Bombardier Q400 aircraft operation, ITAR-TASS reports.

According to him, representatives of the Canadian manufacturer will be responsible for quality control and certification of the aircraft in accordance with Canadian specifications. The planned output of the plant is 24 aircraft per year. The number of Bombardier aircraft operated in the country will reach 250-270 ones by 2030.

Now what will happen with the current Q400 assembly line in Toronto? Is there enough market demand to keep two assembly lines alive? The backlog is pretty small (around 30 aircraft) although Russia agreed to buy 100 aircraft in exchange for the new assembly line.

[Edited 2014-01-24 03:38:58]


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

If the CSeries take off well, the bizjets and the CRJ-700/900 keep on selling, I can imagine they can close the Canadian production line, it's probably better for all parties to use this capacity on other aircraft instead of struggling to keep production and sales at say 20 aircraft a year with their expensive Canadian workforce.


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User currently offlinedeltadawg From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

This sounds almost like a license or contract manufacturing agreement. Other than the promised 100 frames it seems to may have made more sense to move production to their Mexico facility.


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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 2):
made more sense to move production to their Mexico facility

The move was to keep labour & build costs down, by building in the local market. As per the article they are looking at 250-270 units in the next 15 years.

Considering the vast amount of Antonov turboprops still flying, it is conceivable that 250-270 might end up being conservative.

Time will tell how successful this joint-venture will be.



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User currently offlinenewhaven From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
A Canadian team will be responsible for quality control.

They sure have their work cut out for them .... the Russians are NOT known for quality or excellence when it comes to building planes.


User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Quoting newhaven (Reply 4):
They sure have their work cut out for them .... the Russians are NOT known for quality or excellence when it comes to building planes.

While I would love to agree with you... I will play devil's advocate. There are an awful lot of soviet era Antonov and Illushin planes flying around still. I am not saying they are cheap to operate or they don't require lys of maintenance, just that they ARE still flying, which is a feat in itself.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting newhaven (Reply 4):
the Russians are NOT known for quality or excellence when it comes to building planes.

Try to fly and not maintain a Boeing for as long as the Russian crafts often are and see how many will be able to leave terra firma!

On another note, definitely have a look at SSJ, things have changed...



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User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6):
On another note, definitely have a look at SSJ, things have changed...

Looks like it! Who knows, we may be having a new conversation in a few years as to what company airlines will look to for a new plane, A, B or S???


User currently offlinedeltadawg From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6):

On another note, definitely have a look at SSJ, things have changed...

Exactly. I recently flew ZCL-MEX on Interjets SSJ and I must say it was pretty nice. Fit and finish were on par with Embraer or Boeing. While the SSJ was nice I still believe that 95% of N. American airlines will not buy Russian built aircraft without a Western name being on the nameplate. While BBD is setting up shop in Russia the true test will be someone like QX who have so many Q400's. Will they continue to buy them that is the question? In some respect I figure they will be forced to since their is only BBD and ATR left in this arena.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 8):
While BBD is setting up shop in Russia the true test will be someone like QX who have so many Q400's.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the whole idea of having manufacturing in Russia, to provide the Q400 specificially to that market? I don't believe at this point it is to replace the Canadian line.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/24/2141/



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User currently offlineWayfarer515 From Honduras, joined Dec 2013, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting newhaven (Reply 4):
They sure have their work cut out for them .... the Russians are NOT known for quality or excellence when it comes to building planes.

And I guess then that's why the IL-86 never had a single passenger fatality, the IL-96 never had a single fatality crew or passenger wise. We still however see people spewing BS about Russian aircraft safety and quality control. Sad thing though is that now you see Western aircraft falling off the Russian skies like flies, so I guess we could also spew BS about how Western aircraft are crap as well because of that.

Back on topic, it is a real shame that having the production lines for the IL-114 and An-140's available Russia has to resort to a foreign company to fulfill its turboprop market( and yes the An-140 has a production facility in Russia). From what I have read the IL-114 is a very competent and low maintenance aircraft with a very good flight record with Uzbekistan Airlines, the same goes for the An-140's flying for Yakutia.

Shame on Russian politicians not to solve the issues regarding the production lines of their turboprops, but I guess this has more to do with foreign relations than with anything else.


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