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Current Status Of L-188 G-FIZU, C/n 2014 - Ex KLM PH-LLG?  
User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Posted (6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9313 times:

Does anyone know what the current status/condition is of Lockheed L-188C(F) Electra G-FIZU? It is stored at Abbotsford, BC, Canada and owned by Conair.

It was phased out by Atlantic Airlines based at Coventry, UK in 2013 and flown to Abbotsford sometime later that year.

Reason I ask is because this aircraft (c/n 2014), to my knowledge, is the only ex-KLM Electra still in existence and wondering what its current condition is. The reference below mentions that it is still complete.

http://www.aviation-friends-cologne....lockheed-electra-l188-listing.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetwashphotos/9480480251/in/photostream/

Being the only surviving ex-KLM aircraft, and probably the last Electra with a Hamilton Standard propeller system, Wouldn't it be great if this unique aircraft would some day be displayed in a Dutch museum?


Best regards,

Starglider

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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Heres a photo I took two weeks ago, looks in pretty good condition and still has all her props


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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8831 times:

YVRLTN, thanks for sharing this very recent picture of the aircraft.

The caption next to the picture mentions G-FIZU moved to Abbortsford in 2011. Then I was mistaken in thinking she was still operational in 2013.

The final departure from Bournemouth must have taken place in 2011 but not published until january 2013, see link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBxvb3bBkks

That implies she has been sitting idle for close to 3 years (?). Also the suggestion that she may not be owned by Conair but owned by a Technical College is very interesting. I wonder what kind of project is contemplated to keep this aircraft in a near airworthiness condition.

Just a thought, wouldn't it be a great idea to have this aircraft returned to its original roots and flying in the colors of her first operator, KLM, when it celebrates its 100 year anniversary in 2019 as the oldest airline still operating under the original name? The year 2014 / e.g. c/n 2014 (pardon the pun) could be a good start . . . . .

Especially knowing that the L-188 fleet left KLM when the airline was about to celebrate its 50th anniversary in 1969.


Best regards,

Starglider


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

In fact, Lockheed L-188C(F) Electra G-FIZU operated for two Dutch airlines as the aircraft was also in service with Martinair Holland.

Lockheed L-188C c/n 2014 was flown first on 17 February 1960. The airliner was registered PH-LLG with the KLM NV on 24 February 1960, delivered on 25 February 1960 and christened "Neptunus". On 22 January 1969, registration PH-LLG was cancelled, after the aircraft was sold as N857U to the US freight carrier Universal Airlines. Lockheed L-188C N857U was converted to a freighter and the type was changed into a L-188C(F). Universal Airlines ceased operations in 1972 and the N857U was sold to the former Universal owners Zantop, which family founded Zantop International Airlines. The ex KLM Electra's, including the L-188C(F) N857U, however were sold to Saturn Airways. In December 1976, Trans International Airlines acquired Saturn including their Electra's. When TIA was renamed Transamerica Airlines in May 1979 the N857U was transferred once again. In October 1985, the N857U was transferred to Interstate Airlines. Lockheed L-188C(F) N857U was sold to Sweden and registered SE-IZU with Falcon Cargo on 29 October 1987. On 6 April 1993, the Electra was transferred to Hunting Cargo Airlines and registered first in the UK as G-FIZU. On 20 May 1997, the freighter was transferred to Hunting Cargo Airlines Ireland and registered EI-CHY. On 23 December 1998, the Electra was registered again in the UK as G-FIZU with Atlantic Airlines. Since Atlantic Cargo and Channel Express operated it. In 2005, the Lockheed Electra II was still active as G-FIZU with Atlantic Airlines.


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This is a video of a KLM L-188 Electra arriving at Nice Airport.

The aircraft was registered PH-LLG and named Neptunus.


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On June 12, 1961: KLM Flight 823 PH-LLM routing AMS-KUL via MUC, FCO, CAI, KHI crashed short of the runway at Cairo killing 20 out of the 36 on board.

http://buchairshop.ch/webshop/Lockheed-L-188-Electra-PH-LLG-KLM/en


User currently offlinecougar15 From Germany, joined Sep 2013, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8503 times:
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Quoting Starglider (Thread starter):
L-188 G-FIZU, C/n 2014 - Ex KLM PH-LLG

Maybe one Joe from Buffalo Airways should look at?



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 4):
Maybe one Joe from Buffalo Airways should look at?

Maybe Joe was not interested in this particular aircraft because of the Hamilton Standard propellers (rounded blade tips) installed on G-FIZU? All the Electra's in the Buffalo Airways fleet have Aeroproducts propellers (straight blade tips).

There are differences between the Hamilton Standard- and Aeroproducts propeller governing systems and synchrophasing controls. So that would have presented him with a spares issue. G-FIZU is most likely the last Electra (in perhaps near airworthy condition) with Hamilton Standard propellers. For spares he would have to refer to the P-3 Orion (or Aurora) which also operate with Hamilton Standard props.


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8224 times:
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Quoting Starglider (Thread starter):
Being the only surviving ex-KLM aircraft, and probably the last Electra with a Hamilton Standard propeller system, Wouldn't it be great if this unique aircraft would some day be displayed in a Dutch museum?


I worked this aircraft on occasion when it was running logair routes with Transamerica and Interstate. Interior is not anything like it was when with KLM.... Cargo doors cut into it, windows plugged, interior ripped out, cargo liner & rollers installed. It would be a challenge to put the pax interior back in...



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 6):
It would be a challenge to put the pax interior back in...

Great to read that you have actually worked on this aircraft, a very innovative design for its time and too bad they are not built like that anymore.

Sure, it has been converted to a freighter decades ago but at least the airframe is still intact. And I agree, it would be a big challenge to put a pax interior back in. But for starters, re-installing most of the cabin windows and repainting it in the 1960's KLM livery would be feasible. Then . . . put it on display and work on from there . . . . that is what challenges are for.

It will never be as it was originally but this aircraft has a story to tell with over 5 decades of service.


User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 3):
n fact, Lockheed L-188C(F) Electra G-FIZU operated for two Dutch airlines as the aircraft was also in service with Martinair Holland.

KLM leased the aircraft to Martinair Holland for several months in 1968. When returned from the lease it was sold to Universal Airlines in early 1969 (and converted to a freighter).


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6658 times:
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Quoting Starglider (Reply 7):

Forgot to mention... the original pax doors are gone... Pilots enter thru forward freight door if I recall correctly... Might still be a service door on the right side in the aft...



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 2):
That implies she has been sitting idle for close to 3 years (?). Also the suggestion that she may not be owned by Conair but owned by a Technical College is very interesting. I wonder what kind of project is contemplated to keep this aircraft in a near airworthiness condition.

I dont know, but it is likely Conair will convert it to a fire bomber depending on the future demand. The last airworthy DC6 was sold to Alaska just a couple of months ago and I believe it was operational as a back up only up to the past summer. Conair replaced the 6's with the Electra so while some will no doubt be for spares I think they will maintain a sizeable operational fleet as everything cant be done by the Air tractor's. No doubt we will see in a few months once fire season starts again.

Its possible the college are involved in the conversion program as part of their courses. Most of the frames they have are very derelict, including an ex Conair Tracker, a CP 732 and 8P B1900 (just moved over in the past month).

Quoting Starglider (Reply 2):
The final departure from Bournemouth must have taken place in 201

I took this picture in July 2011, which was indeed very soon after her arrival (FIZU is the frame behind).



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User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 months 6 days ago) and read 5977 times:

I may have flown her during my 6 month career at Saturn. I'm on vacation in Hawaii now, but I
I'll check my logbook when I get home. On a side note I was sitting in a Saturn Electra in Hill AFB during loading when we felt a solid bump. The Air Force airman was just a little too low with his fork lift and made two identical punctures of the plane's skin below the loading door. We cancelled for the day.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5465 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 10):
I dont know, but it is likely Conair will convert it to a fire bomber depending on the future demand.

If they do convert it, at least it will be operational again. I assume, as it still has a British registration, this Electra has not flown since it arrived at Abbotsford almost 3 years ago. Hopefully it will not end up in "corrosion corner."

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 11):
I may have flown her during my 6 month career at Saturn. I'm on vacation in Hawaii now, but I
I'll check my logbook when I get home.

Looking forward to your reply.


Best regards,

Starglider


User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Apparently KLM was the only airline to buy the L-188 with Hamilton Standard 54H60 hydromatic propellers, identified by their round tip blades made of dural aluminium.

All other airlines at the time bought the Electra with Aeroproducts A6441FN606 propellers with square tipped blades made from steel.

Aeroproducts claimed a 1.5 to 2 percent efficiency increase with the square tip design. From what I have read, Hamilton Standard in later years, bought the rights from Aeroproducts and manufactured the same A5441FN606 square tipped propellers.

This raises the question why KLM (as the only airline) chose the Hamilton Standard 54H60 prop? And later on most, if not all, P-3 Orions and CP-140 Aurora's were equipped with the Hamilton Standard round tipped props. Was this a case of weight versus aerodynamic efficiency?


User currently offlinestudedave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 13):
Apparently KLM was the only airline to buy the L-188 with Hamilton Standard 54H60 hydromatic propellers, identified by their round tip blades made of dural aluminium.

I'm not so sure about that. I swear I saw a pic the other day of the Beatles getting off of an L-188 that had those same props. I couldn't quite tell the airline, but I thought it looked like it may have said 'AA' on the tail. Now that I think about it- the pic I saw was on the news here in Los Angeles. The story was about a gallery in a hotel here in the city. I'll see if I can find it, and post it here for the pros to decide whose bird it was. I know what is normal, that's the only reason I went back for a second look. During my year on Diego Garcia I saw more then a few props from USN P-3s...

I found a link- http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video...wcases-rare-photos-of-the-beatles/ (go to :49)




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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 2):
Just a thought, wouldn't it be a great idea to have this aircraft returned to its original roots and flying in the colors of her first operator, KLM, when it celebrates its 100 year anniversary in 2019 as the oldest airline still operating under the original name?

There was not enough interest and money to get the DC-8 ex PH-DCZ back from Manston to Lelystad, an aircraft type of much more importance to KLM then the Electra. So I doubt they would fund returning this aircraft back to the Netherlands while it is wanted in Canada, the costs would also be much higher as well then for the DC-8.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Quoting studedave (Reply 14):
I'm not so sure about that. I swear I saw a pic the other day of the Beatles getting off of an L-188 that had those same props. I couldn't quite tell the airline, but I thought it looked like it may have said 'AA' on the tail.

Thanks for the reference. I checked the link at :49. The Electra in question,from which The Beatles de-boarded, was one operated by AFA, American Flyers Airline. AFA operated two L-188C's originally ordered by Capital Airlines but the order was cancelled by Capital before delivery when they merged with United Airlines. Capital ordered five L-188C's (msn 1130, and 1133-1136). These five aircraft were subsequently delivered to Braniff (one), PSA (two) and AFA (two). This implies that these five aircraft were also fitted with the Hamilton Standard propellers.

According to a recent list of remaining L-188's, of these five aircraft only msn 1133 still exists. Stored at Red Deer and owned by Airspray with registration C-GJTZ in basic Zantop colors. Checked photo's here on A.net and at some time this aircraft must have been modified with Aeroproducts props if all five Capital aircraft were originally fitted with Hamilton Standard props.



">Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 15):
There was not enough interest and money to get the DC-8 ex PH-DCZ back from Manston to Lelystad, an aircraft type of much more importance to KLM then the Electra. So I doubt they would fund returning this aircraft back to the Netherlands while it is wanted in Canada, the costs would also be much higher as well then for the DC-8.

The difference here is that the DC-8 was not in an airworthy condition and would have been disassembled for transportation by sea and road. It was stored at Manston since 2001 and scrapped last year. The Electra in question may be in a near airworthy condition and with some effort perhaps could be returned to an airworthy condition.

[Edited 2014-02-07 12:47:23] [Edited 2014-02-07 13:17:15]

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[Edited 2014-02-07 13:21:53]

User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

On a different note: can anyone identify the operator of this particular L-188? The blurry pictures were taken from a DVD and the tail logo is unfamiliar to me. These shots are from the 1974-1975 period somewhere in the USA. The aircraft was chartered by Rick Wakeman (of keyboard fame) and his band during the 1974-1975 world tour of "Journey To The Centre Of The Earth". Ironically this Electra also had a sticker with these words on the fuselage near the forward passenger door. Not the best of titles for an aircraft to wear . . .  
L-188 - operator unknown.




L-188 with "Journey To The Center Of The Earth" sticker.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 3):

What routes did KLM's Electras serve? I remember seeing a picture of one in KLM livery at MIA. I thought that pic was here on A-Net? I'm not at my computer so I couldn't post it.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
Quoting factsonly (Reply 3):

What routes did KLM's Electras serve? I remember seeing a picture of one in KLM livery at MIA. I thought that pic was here on A-Net? I'm not at my computer so I couldn't post it.

They mainly operated within Europe but in their early period of service they were also used on multi-stop services to Asia and Africa. KLM was the only European customer for the Electra.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Any word on the two ex RV Electras Atlantic had.

I thought Joe had made a bid on the former 78R, they featured him starting number 4 when they where over there in Season 2.

44C looked very rough, but Joe was making comments about it possibly being restorable despite the sorry shape Air Atlantic left it in just because of the rarity of the aircraft these days. But he was right a few years ago they wouldn't have even looked at the aircraft.

Also I got the impression that these aircraft are going to be generally used as air tankers in the fire suppression mission. I know Air Spray has converted a few Electras but my understanding is that they where all pax configured without the big cargo doors (both the Lockeed and aftermarket doors forward and aft). Can the existing mod kits be used on aircraft with that much structure cut out for the cargo bays.

BTW. On the subject of Air Spray. They ended up with 68R after Reeve folded.....did they ever do the conversion of her?

This old Reeve ramp rat would like to know.



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1785 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting Starglider (Thread starter):
Being the only surviving ex-KLM aircraft,

Not really . There is also this one


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Quoting Starglider (Reply 2):
Just a thought, wouldn't it be a great idea to have this aircraft returned to its original roots and flying in the colors of her first operator, KLM, when it celebrates its 100 year anniversary in 2019 as the oldest airline still operating under the original name?.

When a fully airworthy L-749 in original KLM colors cannot take to the air because of Dutch bureaucracy, fat chance you have of doing anything with this Electra, which is not even in Dutch hands anymore.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
BTW. On the subject of Air Spray. They ended up with 68R after Reeve folded.....did they ever do the conversion of her?

This old Reeve ramp rat would like to know.

68R completed conversion and is operational with Airspray as tanker 84 (msn 2007, C-GHZI).

44C was sold to Buffalo Joe in 2010 and stored at Red Deer with parts missing (msn 1140, now registered as C-FIJV).

78R was also sold to Buffalo Joe in 2010 and was being converted to tanker at Red Deer in December 2013, it may be operational by now (msn 2010, now registered as C-FIJX). Ref. list below:

http://www.aviation-friends-cologne....lockheed-electra-l188-listing.html

[Edited 2014-02-08 00:52:13]

[Edited 2014-02-08 00:53:12]

[Edited 2014-02-08 00:59:46]

User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 21):
Not really . There is also this one

Obviously I meant the last KLM Electra.

But very interesting to see that this ex KLM DC-7C also survives to this day. Apparently this aircraft has been stored at GYR since 1990 according to a photo search here on A.net? Someone must think it has value, preventing it from going to the scrappers?

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 21):
When a fully airworthy L-749 in original KLM colors cannot take to the air because of Dutch bureaucracy, fat chance you have of doing anything with this Electra, which is not even in Dutch hands anymore.

One can see these issues as problems but I rather see them as challenges to overcome  

[Edited 2014-02-08 01:10:14]

User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

I saw PH-DCZ, (now 9G-MKA) at Manston on 22 June 2013.

It was in pretty poor condition following long storage.

I had not heard of it being scrapped.


25 ImperialEagle : Actually, that's quite remarkable! It can't be a completely dry climate as green clumps of some vegetation are growing on the field. Would be great t
26 Post contains images Starglider : Thanks for the background info regarding the five Capital aircraft. If all five had been converted to Aeroproducts propellers before delivery to the
27 Post contains links and images Kuja : A photo of its final moments: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470631346380309 Sad indeed.
28 L-188 : Well it is good to hear it is on the right side of the pond. Is it safe to assume they put enough of her together to ferry it over....if so I hope th
29 ImperialEagle : Well I did say "about"! By then Lockheed wasn't knocking the dust off of anything until they saw the cash. I think they must have made arrangements t
30 Post contains links Starglider : That may have been the reason, that KLM at the time was the only L-188 operator in Europe. Apparently all the airlines that operated the ex KLM L-188
31 studedave : Is this a list of ALL known survivors, or are there other airframes elsewhere in the World not on the list? No worries- glad I could help!!! StudeDav
32 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Another photo of an AFA L-188 Beatles charter with prop close-up.
33 KL5147 : Maybe DC-9-15 45718 - 17 (former PH-DNA) might be a candidate now
34 Starglider : Why not both? For a period between 1966 and 1968 PH-LLG and PH-DNA were both in service with KLM on the European routes. DC-9-15, PH-DNA, brings back
35 Post contains images ImperialEagle : Why not? It would make sense. After the B-307 disaster KL was certainly close to Douglas for a long time. BTW I think it is quite remarkable that a 1
36 petertenthije : Let's be realistic here. Just two years ago the Aviodrome was closed for bankruptcy and there was genuine fear that the collection would be sold and
37 UTAH744 : From Starglider reply 12. Looking forward to your reply. Got real busy after vacation but dusted off the long books and I indeed did fly her. April 9,
38 Starglider : And perhaps the time is approaching, due to rising fuel prices, that the magic word for airlines will be "prop-jet" again. If fuel prices continue to
39 Post contains links Starglider : Thanks for sharing your experience and that you actually did fly her. Your experience operating subject Electra (and P-3s) with Ham-Standard props re
40 L-188 : Actually, the Herk Props are different still. But still I would have placed money in this day and age that the HS props would be easier to source par
41 factsonly : In addition to these great features, the Electra was KLM's fastest airliner on short-haul routes. In the 1960's the KLM Electra operated AMS-LHR in j
42 Post contains links and images Starglider : Not sure if that list is complete. It could be cross-checked against this list (however, no guarantee this list is up-to-date either): http://www.rzj
43 Viscount724 : That's true on virtually all routes that had nonstop service 50 years ago. I doubt you'll find many block times today that are faster. The only time
44 Starglider : And then take into account that the Electra with approximately 30 minutes shorter block-times operating AMS-LHR also burned about 30% less fuel per h
45 Starglider : I have noticed that this aircraft as shown in the picture of reply 1 is still on the British register after sitting idle for almost 3 years. All othe
46 ImperialEagle : It will be a large twin----with none of the old charm unfortunately. Yes. EA discovered the same thing on their "Shuttle" The 188's were faster BUT t
47 Viscount724 : Or maybe it was only acquired for parts so there's no need to register it in Canada, and the previous owner appears not to have got around to cancell
48 Starglider : Indeed, if such a design is revived, it would most likely become a twin if designed from scratch. However, one of the L-188's major design features f
49 ImperialEagle : Wouldn't that be interesting?! Well, maybe a little larger overall area with the same shape. The though of it is pretty cool!
50 Post contains links Starglider : Yes, scaled up to a 120 to 150 seater for short to medium haul would be the right size for the foreseeable future. If the CAA website (GINFO) is corr
51 L-188 : Conair has had a contract with AKDOF for the past couple of years and has parked a CV-580 tanker at the Palmer base to cover it.
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