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Qatar Refurbished A330 To 787-style Seats  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13864 times:

Good Afternoon Doha Time!

My friend recently traveled to Oman, and flew on a Qatar Airways A330 Business Class with the new 787 seats! My friend does not know anything about aviation; the only thing he told me was the "old' planes have been fitted with the "new" seats.  From the pic I saw, the plane was A330, but I am not sure how many J seats were fitted or if the economy sections have been fitted as well.

QR has been very quiet about this news ever since they quietly announced that some A330 were going to be refurbished. I think they should announce this and promote it even.

What we know is 7 A332 are due to be refurbished:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-for-a330-cabin-renovation-392630/

Anyone know any more information? Perhaps Ojas or Beehamjee?


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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13260 times:

I guess their plans to convert to freighters have died since they ordered new 332Fs?

User currently offlineflyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

I think it is about time they are doing this. Some of the 330 s are getting quite old inside.

I dont think it is 787 style seats, but definitly better than current one.
Here is a snapshot.



Also the 320 s are getting new lie flat business seats and are being reconfigured from 12J/132Y to 12J/120Y

Here is the photo of a pampflet i saw. Sorry for the bad quality ot the photos.




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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

This is good news. I flew them in June to Bali. Flew the LHR DOH sector on the 787.

On the return it was a 330 and quite possibly the most uncomfortable journey I've had.

Very old inside. Air conditioning was terrible and the seats hard to the point I couldn't get comfortable.

The IFE possibly one of the most less intuitive too...

I'm glad to hear they're getting a revamp. Going from the 787 and the interior that offered to the 330 was a massive downgrade.



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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

Is there any information about which planes already have the new Business Class and which other planes will have it, and when?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30415 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12099 times:
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Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 1):
I guess their plans to convert to freighters have died since they ordered new 332Fs?

As of November 2013 the P2F program was still moving through development per http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...to-meet-future-air-freight-demand/


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11631 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 2):
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 2):

Wow am so excited to see the revamped A320 seats! You made my day!

As for the A330 seats I'm 100% sure it's the 787 style seats



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User currently offlineflyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 4):

Is there any information about which planes already have the new Business Class and which other planes will have it, and when?

Sorry have no info on what 330 aircraft are done. As for 320 A7-AHR and A7-AHS have new interiors.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Wow am so excited to see the revamped A320 seats! You made my day!

As for the A330 seats I'm 100% sure it's the 787 style seats

  You are welcome. I was as excited to see upgraded 320.
Now when i think of it they do sort of look little influenced by 787. Even similar to the 320.
Would be nice to have same or similar product on all aircraft.



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9999 times:

The base seat on the 787 and the one in the picture is the same, it is a B/E Aerospace Super Daimond seat. The 787 implementation is done in a reversed herringbone:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/Qatar788cabinbusinessclass_zpsb9e1bf2f.jpg

whereas the A320 implementation follows the normal Super Daimond style of a slightly angeled row of seats so you can get your feets inbetween the seats in front of you, here the KLM implementation which is similar to the Qatar A320 one:



and here one sees the foot ottomans which serves as the finish of the bed when lying flat:



The 787 implementation is more high end as all seats have direct aisle access ie you don't step over anyone sleeping when you need to go somewhere, the A320 version means you have someone to step over but is more space efficient.

Lufthansa has their version of this busines class seat where they use both variants depending on the cabin width. They thereby optimise how many they can fit abrest e.g. on their 747.8i which has both variants on the same plane.

United uses the angeled version on their 787 business class.

The good thing about them all are they are truly lie flat and have a 2 m bed in a 1,5 m pitch (60'').



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12784 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9521 times:
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Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 2):
Also the 320 s are getting new lie flat business seats and are being reconfigured from 12J/132Y to 12J/120Y

Very competitive, in particular vs. FlyDubai. I'm amazed at that configuration.
1. Why hasn't that become common before? For the premium customers in the region, it should sell well.
2. What is the conversion rate?

I care more about the A320s having lie flats

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 7):
Would be nice to have same or similar product on all aircraft.

That would give QR quite a competitive advantage. Customers would like knowing end to end service is a lie flat...

Again, why didn't someone else do this first?

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
Again, why didn't someone else do this first?

But BD and then BA have already done this:


http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ms-fully-flat-seating-on-bmi-a321s


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

I think the A330s have a couple of different seat versions don't they? The photo in the second post is just one of the new versions, but not the 787 refit.

The A320s being refitted is news to me! Looks fantastic, does anyone have photos of the entire cabin?


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8884 times:
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The image of the new A333 Business Class seat is certainly not the same as the 787 product. The new A333 seat looks like a new generation of the current seat, but fully flat vs lie flat. Or, a scaled down version of the 777 seat.

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 12):
The image of the new A333 Business Class seat is certainly not the same as the 787 product. The new A333 seat looks like a new generation of the current seat, but fully flat vs lie flat. Or, a scaled down version of the 777 seat.

The A333 I thought were certainly more flat the previous version but still not 100% flat.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
Again, why didn't someone else do this first?

I think you meant from the Gulf. Gulf Air did, but it certainly is not comparable to QR.



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User currently offlineflyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

It looks pretty nice  



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User currently offlineflyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
Very competitive, in particular vs. FlyDubai. I'm amazed at that configuration.
1. Why hasn't that become common before? For the premium customers in the region, it should sell well.
2. What is the conversion rate?

I care more about the A320s having lie flats

I am not sure about conversion rate. But all longer 320 destinations should have these aircraft before years end.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
That would give QR quite a competitive advantage. Customers would like knowing end to end service is a lie flat...

Again, why didn't someo

Well GF has. They have 14/96 seats and also SV has 20/96 on their 320 that they send to Europe.
Etihad has 16/120 but not sure if they send those on longer flights.



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12784 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
But BD and then BA have already done this:
Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 15):
Well GF has.

Excellent. However, it will be a first for the ME3. With the NEO and MAX, having lie flats will be a better business case as the narrow bodies will fly out another hour or so.

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 15):
I am not sure about conversion rate. But all longer 320 destinations should have these aircraft before years end.

It will be even better if QR can off lie-flats on all flights or at least all flights over say 2 hours.

I'm thinking about this strategically. The #1 complaint I hear about EK is inconsistency. If QR had more consistency in the hard product for premium passengers (lie flats) and maintains their reputation for better consistency on the soft product, that would be a boon to their revenue as it would make it easy for customers to know the level of product they are buying.

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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

The QR A330 I went on was highly acceptable. No EK A380 for sure, but okay. Combined with the exemplary QR service, it was a very nice flight. Would still be good if they upgraded it though to a full lie-flat product.

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 14):
It looks pretty nice

Wow, thanks for the photo! Did you take it?

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 15):
I am not sure about conversion rate. But all longer 320 destinations should have these aircraft before years end.

Any idea how many aircraft will have these seats? And if the A320 economy seats will be changed as well?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
It will be even better if QR can off lie-flats on all flights or at least all flights over say 2 hours.

I'm thinking about this strategically. The #1 complaint I hear about EK is inconsistency. If QR had more consistency in the hard product for premium passengers (lie flats) and maintains their reputation for better consistency on the soft product, that would be a boon to their revenue as it would make it easy for customers to know the level of product they are buying.

I once tweeted QR about having flat beds in business class. They replied by saying that it is not economical for them to do so. Guess they changed their minds.

Quoting Glom (Reply 17):
The QR A330 I went on was highly acceptable. No EK A380 for sure, but okay. Combined with the exemplary QR service, it was a very nice flight. Would still be good if they upgraded it though to a full lie-flat product.

Yeah, I do think the A330s are OK but certainly an upgrade to the new seats is better. 

I would like to know the seat configurations in the A333 and A332.



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12784 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2571 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
I once tweeted QR about having flat beds in business class. They replied by saying that it is not economical for them to do so. Guess they changed their minds.

IMHO the market has spoken.  


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 14):
It looks pretty nice

Is this a picture from the new A330 cabin?



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User currently offlineMaxiAir From Germany, joined Mar 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Karel, I hope you recognized, it's an A320!

Or do you ask, if they'll get the same seats ? Propably similar ones or those known from the 787.



Greetings Maxi. Already flew on: 319,320,321,332,333,346,733,734,73G,738,77W,CR7,CR9,DH8D,RJ85,F100,E90,E95
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting MaxiAir (Reply 21):
Karel, I hope you recognized, it's an A320!

Single aisle, how on earth was I thinking about the A330   



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User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
Is this a picture from the new A330 cabin?

Did you count the aisles?  

MaxiAir beat me to it. Mods, please delete.

[Edited 2014-02-03 12:16:39]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
I once tweeted QR about having flat beds in business class. They replied by saying that it is not economical for them to do so. Guess they changed their minds.

Things can change rapidly in the airline industry. Many airlines are switching to full flat business class seats and Qatar can't stay behind.

Last year, the CEO of Lufthansa complained about this expensive development, but admitted they'll have to follow (hence their A380s will get full flat J seats too).

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
IMHO the market has spoken.

  



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25 gilesdavies : With all the talk of new seats in Business, can us peasants in Economy look forward to an upgraded product and new seats too? I hope they don't have t
26 MaxiAir : Qatar surely isn't going to a 3-3-3 config, so the seat width won't change significantly! I flew on A7-AEB, about 2 years ago, it had the "new" airbu
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