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Flying Pets Across The Atlantic?  
User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

My family is moving to Europe this fall and my mom wants to take our pet cat with us. She's wondering if there are any steps to take to make this possible. By steps I mean things like seeing the vet, getting the propper vaccines, getting the ok from the airline etc.

many thanks, Mark.

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User currently offlineTimdapup22 From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Contact the european country in question regarding regulations.

I know for Australia from the USA, its about 12 months quarantine.

A vet visit and checks will be necessary, prolly will need the cat properly de-flead and any other stuff similar. (washing cats is also great fun).

Most airlines will do it, if they wont have the pet put on another airline.


User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Where is the pet quartentined?

User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

My mother and I went to Denmark to purchase a cat once. Don't ask why...that's another story. Anyway, we proceeded to go to Paris and Amsterdam on our way home to the States. When we were flying intra-Europe, they didn't even care about the cat. When we got to LAX, we went through the red line and declared the cat. We had the cat's previous owner get a health certification from the vet in Denmark, so we had official proof that the cat was healthy. We showed this document to the agricultural agent and we had no problems. There was no quarantine in the States, either.

By the way, we had a nifty bag for the cat which looked like a normal carry-on. It looked perfectly normal on one side, with breathable mesh on the other side. We avoided the carry-on pet fees by "smuggling" the cat on the planes.

There are plenty of animal bags available that look just like normal duffle bags. My advice would be to get one and take the animal onboard and avoid the ludicrous fee.

Our cat was very well behaved considering we didn't drug him.

In the terminal at AMS, the cat went to the bathroom on himself. Since we were about to board the plane, my mom took him into the airport bathroom and quickly rinsed him off. Since he clearly needed to be scrubbed with soap, my mom finished bathing him in the back lav on our KLM 744 once we were airborne. Talk about fun memories : ) I'm not aware of too many people who have bathed animals at 35,000 feet.

Needless to say, bringing our cat home from Europe was pretty simplistic despite his little "accident".


Good luck.

tsully




I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineCo Cargo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Call the cargo service center of the airline you'll be flying well in advance. They will guide you through the steps you'll need to take. By well in advance, I mean now.

User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Tsully- you have a lot of nerve advising someone to break rules just because you and your mom did.

By the way, YKA, the ''fee" for a pet carried in the cabin is the same as for one checked with baggage, $75. The bag that Tsully may be talking about is called a Sherpa bag and they are designed to carry pets that are no larger than 20 lbs. They seem to be more comfortable for the pet than the older hard sided cases, but not as protective in case of turbulence in flight. If you are going to the UK, I believe the quarenntine is 6 months, but I am not positive. Like Timdapup22 said, check with the consulate of the country in question and they will probably send you any necessary papers required. Just so you know, if you do try to "smuggle" the cat on like Tsully advised and you get caught, you can run into other problems, some of which may be legal since you are leaving our country. Hope everything works out for all of you though, keep us posted.


User currently offlineJplenny From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Hey YKA,

A lot is going to depend on which country your parents are moving to and when they will ship the pets.

I shipped my three cats from the US to Germany, after we settled here. It wasn't too hard. The hardest part was finding the right offices at Frankfurt airport to pick them up.

We had to have a health certifiacte performed by a USDA certified vet in the US within 10 days of travel and a rabies vaccination that was less than 1 years old but not less than 30 days old.

Do not attempt to "get around" the rules. Most countires have little tollerance for people trying to sneak animals in. The end result of getting caught could mean having your pet destroyed.

Doing things correctly isn't that hard. You can do it yourself and have them travel with you or ship them seprately.

If you need more info, let me know. I can point you in the right direction.






User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Sorry I forgot to add, the cost incurred by your pet being quarrentined is borne by you not by the country that you entered.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

I flew my cat MBS-FLL with a stopover in CLE in early September...

I recommend checking with a vet and getting a sedative.....test it our a few days before the trip....most of the time 'kitty valium' works but sometimes it just makes the cat more nervous. In my case she was an absolute joy until about four hours into the entire excursion, an hour out of FLL when she started kicking to get out of her "Sherpa" bag(that tsully describes). I unzipped her bag, she squeezed her head out and i held her mouth open while the lady next to me (who thought it was just a riot) 'bombed' her with another pill. She was fine after that...a little groggy that night but fine the next day.

I don't know about international travel, be VERY careful to ask the airlines and maybe even the embassy of the country(ies) you're flying to.

I've always held that nothing puts babies, kids (and now kitties!) asleep faster than the comfortable drone of a big active turbofan.


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

OK, my cat has crossed the atlantic a few times, poor kitty. But here's what to do...

Get all the cat's shots and health certificates in order. Check with your vet, they'll know exactly what you need. I would advise against drugging the cat. That can have adverse effects at high altitude.

Contact the airline you're flying with and get all the info pertaining to flying a pet. Also, do this VERY SOON. When you call, tell them you're transporting your cat, but you'll like to take it with you in the cabin. You have two choices, the cat can be shipped in the cargo hold (it's heated), or can travel with you in the cabin. However, most airlines will only allow one pet per cabin, for obvious reasons, that's why you have to reserve this NOW.

They will have you pay a fee, usually between $50-$75. Don't get upset. This is actually an insurance fee. If anything should happen, you and your pet will be covered. If you sneak the cat onboard, and something should happen, you'll face ALL liabilities.

Buy the bag specified above, it's much better than a kennel. It looks like a duffel bag with a mesh for providing air. Cats prefer it because it's more comfortable, and it won't draw a crowd at the airport.

When you board, simply put the bag under the seat in front of you. My cat was very well behaved for a 12 hour flight. You'll be surprised that they don't need to eat for the trip. Just make sure you don't feed them a few hours before the trip, and make sure they use the cat litter before leaving. You really have to time this very well. It's no fun taking the cat on an airplane if it's bladder is full. Rest assured however, that very few times will they really really need to go. They can hold it in for a surprisingly long time, and they can go a few days without eating. More than likely, they'll just sleep the entire trip. My cat woke up a few times, and I just put him in my lap (in the bag) to comfort him, but I had no problems whatsoever, and I had to transfer and take another flight.

It's not a bad idea to take a temporary cat litter with you. You can buy these at Walmart or Target. They're basically litter boxes made out of plastic with the litter sealed in. They're made to be portable, and you can easily fit one in your carry on bag. If push comes to shove, you can easily open up the portable cat litter box in the airport bathroom.

Most European countries aren't very iffy about pets, except of course, for countries like the U.K. Please find out the country's policies before going there. THe airline will usually have this handy when you book your flight with them. Most times, the customs agents won't even realize you have a cat if you have one of these duffle bags. Most times, they just won't care. Nowadays, in wake of the recent attacks however, be prepared to undergo extra scrutiny. In the U.S., they have ALWAYS had me take the cat out of the bag, put the bag through the scanner, and have me and the cat walk through the security screen together.

Any questions, send me an email.

Good luck!


User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

On the show Airport on Discovery Wings, there was a Canadian DC-10 that had a problem with some dogs. They had to put it on a BA flight to Montreal. You also need to tranquilize it.

User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2656 times:

what about a big dog such as a golden retriever or a great dane? buy it a seat?

User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2655 times:

Actually Lubcha132 Madonna bought her Parakete a seat from JFK-LAX in first class.

User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2654 times:

well, madonna isn't John Doe from Syracuse, NY! Famous people get away with murder (literally)

User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I'm gonna be flying from Canada, probably through Holland or Germany where we will catch a connection to Poland.

Thanks for all the help.


User currently offlineCo Cargo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

All airlines that are members of IATA follow the regs in The Air Cargo Tariff (TACT). In it, regulations pertaining to imports and exports for each country are described in great detail. For Poland, the TACT reads as follows: 2 health certificates and for cats, dogs, etc. also Rabies Inoculation Certificate (legalized by Veterinary Service in country of origin), issued at least one month but not more than 12 months (for cats 6 months) before transportation. What that means to you is that you will need to do the following:
-Call your airline now to book your freight, if it's too far
in advance, they will advise you of when you can
make your booking.
-Listen to any particulars about freight on that airline.
Right now, your airline might not be accepting freight
from "unknown shippers," and you are an unknown
shipper.
-Go to your veterinarian. Your veterinarian will be
familiar with the required health certificate. In the
US, this certicate must not be more than 10 days old,
I don't know about Canada (your airline will). You will
also need a Rabies Inoculation Certificate legalized by
Veterinary Service in Canada. This certificate must
be issued at least 1 month but not more than 6
months prior to your travel date.
-If your cat is well behaved already, avoid tranquilizers.
-You must have an approved kennel if the cat is riding
in the cargo bin. (Plastic with metal "windows" and a
metal cage door is the type) This kennel must have
an absorbant material on the floor (carpet or
newspaper will work) 2 dishes, one for food and one
for water must be inside the kennel.
-Do not put anything else in the kennel (i.e. toys)
Due to changes in security, you will be asked to
remove anything.
-Be prepared for your cargo to be inspected.
-Arrive at the airport cargo facility very early (3 hrs
before your flight) International documents on a live
animal can be time consuming to prepare, don't put
the cargo agents in a giant hurry in which errors can
occur.
-Create an invoice for customs. At the top, put the
word "Invoice" or "Pro-forma Invoice." Then put your
name, address, and phone number. Underneath that,
put the name, address and phone number of the
consignee (who the cat's going to). If you are the
consignee, then put your name and address at which
you'll be residing in Poland. Next, put the number of
pieces of cargo (1), the weight (in kg), a description
(live cat), and a value (since this is a family pet, you
can put "family pet, no commercial value, not for
resale"). Make several copies of this invoice.
-Bring a government issued photo i.d. to the cargo
facility, you'll be asked to show it.
-Don't try to get cute or slick. Shipping international
cargo is not hard if you follow regulations. If you
don't, you are even more at the mercy of customs
at your destination.
-Be prepared for everything!

Respectfully Submitted,
Co Cargo


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

When I saw this topic "Flying Pets Across The Atlantic?"

I thought you were on Acid or


LSD


User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

To anyone who thought I was suggesting "going around" the national rules of countries concerning importing animals, I'm sorry but you were misled.


In fact, to those of you who criticized me, you are quite ignorant. I was advised by KLM personnel to bring the cat on board without drawing attention to the cat or myself. Perhaps it was different since I was traveling on NRSA status. Nevertheless, I followed that suggestion and avoided the fee.



I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Thanks for the info again.

realhigh......if that was the case the topic would have read "Pets flying across the atlantic".


User currently offlineZbeeblebrox74 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

I have a fun one for ya! It's not that relevant to the thread, but it involved carrying pets nonetheless and might give you a good chuckle Big grin

I once (summer of 1995) imported 35 adult tarantulas into the USA (from Belgium) through Washington, Dulles which I carried in my handluggage on a UAL flight.

Procedure was quite simple. The dealer that sold them to me also supplied me with the necessary paperwork which was a simple form from Fish & Wildlife declaring the species involved and the number of each.

I called F&W @ Dulles a week before my flight to let them know when I'd be arriving and with what. The person who I spoke with on the phone met me at the baggage claim. I showed him my documentation and he had a look at my 'wares'. Soon I got surrounded by a crowd of curious customs and security people who had heard the 'big hairy spiders' rumour. One spider in particular, a rare Hysterocrates spellenbergeri from West Africa drew a lot of interest, more than likely because she was the size of a dinner plate. He made sure that what I had with me contained no species on any of the CITES lists, we shook hands and I was on my merry way.

That same dealer (a very well respected biologist) has carried over 700 (spiders + scorpions) on a single flight from Africa on Sabena, who with prior arrangement had no trouble letting him, and his creepie crawlies on the aircraft Big grin

A funny fact about carrying spiders. It's best to make prior arrangements with the airline involved. For the USA the airline that gives the least hassle seems to be Delta. In any case, even if you sneakily decide not to tell the airline, you are unlikely to be asked to open your luggage. The chemical composition of a spider's exoskeleton is a pretty 'stealthy' design from mother nature. It absorbs X-rays rather than reflecting them. Even my dinner plate sized baboon spider is invisible under the baggage scan  Wink/being sarcastic

zb74


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