9v-spk From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6 Posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2080 times:
I never flew on them but I'd like to actually...as only a few number of airlines operate them.SIA operated them before, but only to very very few destinations and were not majors.So anybody had the experience?When you were travelling on the Combi's, Was the feeling just like normal travelling on normal B747's or slightly different?Because the capacity would be much much smaller.And which airline were you on, Asiana, SIA etc?Very Very Curious!!
Tg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2032 times:
I have flown on a 743 Combi. The airline was KLM and I can tell you that it was strange to be in one if the last rows although I was almsot over the wing. Sadly it was a nightflight (and I'm beennig very tired) so I didn't explore the aircraft although I had planed do do so. I still think that i missed a golden oportunety (exploring a 747-200SUD M would have been so cool).
The bad ting is tha KLM was cramped, and that you can't sit in the real back of the a/c.
RA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2019 times:
I flew on once one of the 2 Airbusses A310 of Martinair, one of which was a combi with a big cargodoor after the 1st passenger door. On this particular flight it was fitted with a total passenger interior, but the door was still visible inside.
I imagine that when Martinair used it as a combi they would have the passengers sitting in the rear and the cargo in front, strange idea
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
nothing special, except for less capacity which makes you sweat when flying stand-by!!!!!!
i´ve been on Lufthansa´s 747-200combis in ´93 on the FRA-DFW-IAH run and in ´95 to BOG via CCS, however, all combis have been converted to full-pax.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
9v-spk From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
Well yeh i think the original one would be better but Combi means fewer passengers!thanx for the replies anyways!
But here's the real problem.Just like 777kickass mentioned the weight problem, obviously if cargo was loaded first onto the plane, then wouldn't that mean the tail part would be much much heavier?Because usually when you check-in, staff would offer you a seat that's near to the front first, to allocate the weight, especially on the B747's.But for the Combi's, it'd be a different story, and if there was only cargo loaded with no passengers, it'd be quite unbalanced i should say. (Correct Me If I Am Wrong).
So the question is...is the structure of the Combi not the same as ordinary 747's?And does that mean they board passengers first and the load the cargo but unload the cargo first when arrived then unload the passengers or it doesn't matter?Also does that mean the flight should be almost full, then you can operate the combi with cargos or if just operate with cargos but no passengers...would the problem i assumed appear?Because I still think that the plane would be really unbalanced, but strange that never heard of a Combi with it's tail on the ground and nose heading towards the sky, when some freighters and passenger planes had already occured in such kind of incidents!Maybe they should change the other way round, cargo in front, passengers at the back HaHa! (Revolution for First Class - At the Middle Part Or Tail of plane!)
Quite tough question I know, but very curious to find that out...hope some experts or anyone knows how to explain could reply me!Thanx!
GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1962 times:
I have flown the Combi on Garuda, KLM, Sabena
and Swissair, and worked the Garuda Combi for years.
Its interesting to see a 747 cabin go only part way
back. There is no difference the way the plane flies.
As to the cargo on the Maindeck, there are 2 ways you
can load the plane without problems. The first would
be with a portable tail stand that attaches to the
aircraft under the tail by the APU. This allows the
plane to remain level at all times. If a tailstand is not
available, you would offload the maindeck cargo
first then the lower deck forward cargo hold, and for
the departure it would be the reverse. You would load the forward cargo hold first, then the maindeck. You would want to ensure you had some heavy pallets in
the forward hold to help with the CG and weight and
balance. The Combi is a beautiful aircraft from the main deck, as when the Cargo door opens you have a great view. The Maindeck cargo door can be opened either
from the inside, via a toggle switch, or on a panel
outside the fuselage under a small metal door. This
panel can only be accessed from the outside by someone on a Maindeck Cargo Loader.
Hope this helps....
UA865 From El Salvador, joined May 2000, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
Flew Asiana ICN-LAX in april, I was on the upper deck and went for a walk downstairs, you can really tell the difference on how smaller the economy cabin is than in regulars 747-400. Apart form the different configuration in UA 747-400 which are the only one's I had been on before OZ everything else was the same.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5681 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
I flew LAX-MXP-FCO-MXP-LAX aboard an AZ 747-200 combi back in 1990. The feeling is indeed a bit strange as the interior is, of course, smaller than a regular 747. Part of the strangeness emanates from the fact that the wing ends at about the point that the passenger cabin ends thus providing one with the false feeling that the wing is affixed at the very rear of the aircraft.
Puck From France, joined May 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
At the risk of repeating everyone else, yup, I've flown an Air France 744 combi from EWR-CDG earlier this year. I was sitting in Tempo (economy) just behind Class d'Affaires, so at first I wasn't aware, but later in the flight when I used the lavatory I was rather surprised to see the economy cabin stopping so soon in the aircraft, with a large galley in the back, just behind the wing. At CDG instead of a gate we got bussed in from a remote stand on 'moving lounges', IAD-style, don't know if that's more common for a combi than a full-passenger jet. As I was waiting to deplane, another bus pulled up to the 2R door and knocked - they were looking for a few passengers with very tight connections. Otherwise, a very comfortable flight with friendly service (always feel especially lucky for that on AF).
9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
I flew on a Swissair B747-300 Combi back in 1994. We were travelling Economy class and because I was young at that time, they put I and my family on the top deck, which was still Economy! It was really fun.!
Adam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
BA uses a combi on one of the JFK-LHR flights. I didnt figure it out until yesterday. Every once in awhile I had someone requesting seats on that flight and the seatmap showed 87 World Traveller seats.
Low and behold the equipment was 74F. I didnt even know we operated these. You learn something new every day.