FlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 997 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
The recent press release regarding AA's return to the SJC-HNL route prompted me to look up an older timetable. First of all, I was surprise to see that AA had served the SJC-HNL route in the past(with a DC10!). Since the Dec 15, '90 timetable, the airline's service to Hawaii seems to have really decreased. As of the end of 1990, the HNL routes were:
DFW: 3 flts DAILY
OGG: 2 flts DAILY
LAX: 2 flts DAILY plus an extra service on SAT
The OGG flights have been replaced by a nonstop LAX-OGG 757 daily. AKL/SYD flights have been replaced by QF codeshare service. DFW service has decreased to 2/day. LAX service is switching 1/2 flights to a 757 in December. All of the DFW, ORD, SFO, and 1 LAX flights will change to 767-300s next year. Doesn't AA see value in this tourist destination and the frequent flyers that it draws in? Anyone have comments/more info?
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
AA really is smart to reduce capacity there. Hawaii is notorious for low yields (worsened when operated by expensive DC-10 ops.). While there are many freq. flyers drawn to Hawaii, the majority of those freq. fliers are using their miles to get that trip, which in turn leads to more unprofitibility on those flights.
Purdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1152 times:
Your last sentence, FlyAA757, was a bit of an anomoly. "Doesn't AA see value in this tourist destination...?" While tourist destinations prove to be a great value to passengers, they are of little real value to most airlines. HNL service largely serves to provide AAdvantage members with a place to blow their miles. Unlike other routes, very few people who fly to Hawaii pay walk-up full fares, and even fewer actually pay to ride in the First Class cabin. Hawaii looks good on an airlines route map, but the high ratio of leisure to business travelers makes it less than ideal for an airline to serve.
SJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1149 times:
Yes,,,the SJC-HNL DC-10 svc didn't last very long, as they usually were not very well attended. Even Suntrips tried to fill the void left when (American) cancelled SJC-HNL. Suntrips started service with Rich International L-1011's , tho a great photo ops for us jet freaks, that didn't last very long either, either due to contractual time limits and load factors were charter only...nothing really came about of it, and of course the SJC-HNL service is no longer. I really don't see the American 757 svc to HNL in May 2000 to be really anything more than a competition angle against Aloha Airlines starting OAK-HNL service.........
DFW-JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
AAs new SJC-HNL flight is needed to take some relief off of SFO and LAX as there will be a slight downgrade to the 767-323s from the DC-10s.SFO will be a 767-323 and LAX will be a combo of 767s and 757s. AAs Hawaiian operation is the busiest during august in which AA turned over a $3 million profit for the month, its less for other months. AA carries a lot of mail out of DFW to HNL which helps the bottom line, however the 767-323s dont have that much extra capacity so it may suffer after the switch from DC-10-30s. Rumors have it you may see AA 757s to Hawaii from places like SEA,SNA,SAN,etc well just have to wait and see.
Purdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
I could really see AAs SJC service doing as well as, if not better than, SFO service. This is because there are basically no flights into SFO on American that connect to the HNL flight. The new schedule, though, has the SJC flight leaving at 3:45 pm, which is late enough for people to come in from the east coast, Chicago, and the West Coast network to connect onto this flight. Further, since the return arrives in SJC at 7 am, it will allow passengers to connect to outbound flights to other places. While the SFO service relies on local traffic, the SJC service will benefit from connecting traffic as well.