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Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16841 times:
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Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 8 (by PHX787 Dec 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offline777stl From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16803 times:

I never meant to imply that PHX is going to be another STL, because it won't. PHX has far too much going for it for that to happen. STL was a bastard step child of a hub that AA never really wanted to begin with. Having three hubs within 800 miles of each other was destined failure, AA only gave STL a shot because the summer of 2000 produced horrific delays at ORD because of traffic and DFW having had a rough summer with thunderstorms. It was thought that STL could perhaps function as a reliever hub for the other two. For various reasons, that didn't work, mostly because the necessity to do so was no longer there.

I don't think the same is true with PHX because it's certainly more valuable and has superior O&D.

I do think PHX will see a significant right sizing, but I don't see it being de-hubbed. Logically, AA/US is tapped out for space at LAX, so PHX still has some value as a western regional hub.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16654 times:

I think we all know that there are going to be some reductions with the new AA.

My question would be will AA use larger aircraft 321, 320 over RJ's and CJ's to cut the number of flights. I know that this would reduce the number of flights, but might keep the number of seats similar or a little reduced to the number we have now. It seems like symantecs, but I also think it could be a way to appease some in that while the number of flights might be reduced the number of seats would/could be minimally effected.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16638 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 2):
My question would be will AA use larger aircraft 321, 320 over RJ's and CJ's to cut the number of flights.

Most of the cities that see RJs are FAT, BFD, SBA, SBP, BUR, LGB, YUM, FLG, PSP, TUS, MRY, ABQ, ELP, HMO. The only ones of those I could see a moving to a couple of A319s instead would be LGB, BUR, TUS, ABQ with a reduction in frequency I may be missing a city pair. I could see a situation where cities like MKE, BWI, CMH, IND, STL, move from 2/3x 319/320 to 1/2x 320/321. In other words moving out A319s in favor of less frequent A320s and A321s, which they have done a considerable amount of that already.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16555 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 2):
My question would be will AA use larger aircraft 321, 320 over RJ's and CJ's to cut the number of flights.

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The trend towards larger aircraft started already several years ago. It's amazing how many flights are operated withA321 these days, and a lot of it is real capacity increase. Take for example PHX-JFK: for many years there three flights daily, most on A319, ocasionally an A320. Now it's 4 flights daily, three on A321! PHX-DCA: used to be a single A319 daily. Nowadays it's an A321, a B752 and an A319.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 1):
I do think PHX will see a significant right sizing,

Indeed, it will be sized up.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16513 times:

Hey guys I don't think I should do the traditional thread intro anymore since I'm not gonna be living in PHX for another few years hahaha

But I will be back in the valley on March 6, for a week or so.


I'm going to have to concede there will be some reductions in frequencies but PHX has the O&D to sustain most routes on their current roster and maybe even add some. E.g., CVG.



One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16389 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
I'm going to have to concede there will be some reductions in frequencies but PHX has the O&D to sustain most routes on their current roster and maybe even add some. E.g., CVG.

I agree. I think a few weaker cities may get dropped -- particularly those already serviced from LAX or DFW -- and I think it's possible that we'll lose quite a bit of service due to RJ reductions, although that will likely be a combination of their "right sizing" and because of the growing pilot shortage.

AA/US is the only major carrier to have not made a significant move towards replacing smaller RJs with larger ones, and will still be using a significant number of 50-seaters for the foreseeable future. I don't think they'll be as well-positioned as Delta, and to a much lesser extent United, to weather the pilot shortage. United was similarly unprepared, but the purchase of a large number of E175s and bringing more CRJ700s into the fleet will at least remedy the issue, something AA/US hasn't done to a similar extent. DL's additions of the 717 and large RJs, effectively eliminating 50-seaters and giving them F on every flight, means they are much better prepared.

All of that plays into the ultimate fate of PHX and just how many flights we're likely to lose. Like CLE, whose cuts were inevitable and were conveniently blamed on the shortage, I think PHX could be "right sized" with AA claiming a similar rationale. I don't think the cuts will be devastating, but they will be significant and leave open the possibility of someone else taking a sizable market share to fill the void. Whether that will be WN or someone else will remain to be seen, just please not NK. Anyone but NK. I wonder if it could actually be a good way for F9 and their new ownership to have a fresh start outside of the Charlie Foxtrot that is DEN...

[Edited 2014-02-19 13:14:10]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16375 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 6):
AA/US is the only major carrier to have not made a significant move towards replacing smaller RJs with larger ones, and will still be using a significant number of 50-seaters for the foreseeable future. I don't think they'll be as well-positioned as Delta, and to a much lesser extent United, to weather the pilot shortage. United was similarly unprepared, but the purchase of a large number of E175s and bringing more CRJ700s into the fleet will at least remedy the issue, something AA/US hasn't done to a similar extent.
AA currently has more than 100 76-seat jets on order and yet to be delivered, on top of the ~190 they already fly. The combined new AA's present fleet plus backlog brings them to well over 300 large RJs within just a few years time. Please correct me if I'm wrong - but I believe that's actually more than United plans to have in that time (at least officially acknowledged as-of-yet). Now I agree most of these jets will go to replacing existing 50-seat fleets, so I suspect the new AA's 50-seat fleet will shrink dramatically in coming years, but even still there will be lots of new planes coming. If we use a 2:3 replacement ratio of new 76-seaters to 50-seaters, which I think is a fair approximation, we'd end up with AA's 100+ new 76-seats replacing over 150 50-seaters, and that's not counting that I think many existing AA/US large RJs are going to be getting replaced by mainline and reprioritized to replace 50-seaters as well.

Either way, I think the impact on PHX from this RJ issue is going to be relatively minimal compared to the larger dynamics at play with PHX economics. It's a lower-yielding hub with a competing hub by a lower-cost carrier, and it serves almost no traffic flow that other AA hubs don't already serve. That's a far bigger issue than RJs (especially since PHX is already among the least-RJ-centric hubs AA has).

[Edited 2014-02-19 13:31:35]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16334 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):

I'm not sure exactly how many UA will have, but I don't think it's too far off of AA's number. My impression was that many of UA's E-Jet deliveries were earlier than AA's, and since the problem is becoming fairly imminent, it might put UA in a better position in the short- to medium-term. UA has a lot of ERJ-145s and CRJ-200s floating around that need to go away, but AA has just about as many. If anything, perhaps they're both somewhat equally screwed with Delta in a far better position, but I think the effect on PHX is the same. With an all-but-certain decrease in service and a move towards larger aircraft, there will most certainly be fewer flight options and less traffic at PHX. We'll also risk losing links to a lot of smaller markets as the pilot shortage worsens and the 50-seaters withdraw.



1954 1974 1990 2014 -- Los geht's!
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16304 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
I think the impact on PHX from this RJ issue is going to be relatively minimal compared to the larger dynamics at play with PHX economics. It's a lower-yielding hub with a competing hub by a lower-cost carrier, and it serves almost no traffic flow that other AA hubs don't already serve. That's a far bigger issue than RJs (especially since PHX is already among the least-RJ-centric hubs AA has).
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
We'll also risk losing links to a lot of smaller markets as the pilot shortage worsens and the 50-seaters withdraw.

Considering US does not operate the 50 seat RJ's, that AA plans on retiring soon, these aircraft will have no impact on PHX ops, especially over the next 2 years since the airline will not be fully integrated until this time. Once this time approaches, the PHX hub will be ready to be downsized due to network redundancies.

[Edited 2014-02-19 16:20:27]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16152 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
Considering US does not operate the 50 seat RJ's, that AA plans on retiring soon, these aircraft will have no impact on PHX ops, especially over the next 2 years since the airline will not be fully integrated until this time. Once this time approaches, the PHX hub will be ready to be downsized due to network redundancies.

I wasn't talking about imminent cuts...I was taking about 2-3 years from now. It all depends on how they intend to utilize their aircraft then. Just because the replacements aren't currently going to the US side doesn't mean they won't in a few years time, and by then they'll be cross-fleeting anyway. Furthermore, depending on how severe the pilot shortage actually becomes, the 50-seat aircraft may be most affected due to their unprofitability (in particular the abundance of CRJ200s they contract) and a potential lack of pilots to fly them. So yes, all of that does have an effect on the PHX hub over the next few years in addition to however much downsizing they plan on doing. But as I said, I was not taking near-term. The next 12-24 months should be business as usual, with the only possible effects coming from the pilot shortage.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16105 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
If anything, perhaps they're both somewhat equally screwed with Delta in a far better position

I don't see how. Per Delta's own press release, the carrier has a hard cap of 325 large RJs. AA currently has either operational or on firm order large RJs totaling 303 tails. And this is for two airplanes that are now roughly the same, and this also assumes AA doesn't exercise any of the options it has outstanding for more large RJs. I'd hardly call that a "far better position" for Delta. AA presently has 332 50-seat RJs in operation (although this number will likely shrink materially this year, anyway), so if one assumes the 90 large RJs on firm order replace 50-seaters on an average 3:2 basis - which I think is reasonable - that brings them down to around 195 50-seat jets. When accounting for some level of existing 50-seat markets getting cut altogether and large RJ markets upgauging to mainline, I would not be at all surprised if AA ends up right around the same place as Delta - about 125-150 50-seaters. Again - don't see any enormous advantage for Delta.

In AA's case, I suspect they'll be able to manage the rapid drawdown of 50-seat flying fairly easily given the ability to upgauge the majority of 50-seat markets to lower-frequency 76-seat markets, and upgauge some of the existing 70-seat markets to mainline, further freeing up large RJ lift - just as Delta is doing. (AA does, after all, still have several hundred new mainline jets arriving in the next five years, on top of the >100 large RJs.)

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 10):
I wasn't talking about imminent cuts...I was taking about 2-3 years from now. It all depends on how they intend to utilize their aircraft then. Just because the replacements aren't currently going to the US side doesn't mean they won't in a few years time, and by then they'll be cross-fleeting anyway.

I agree - as I said, I think the broader economic and strategic issues facing PHX are far bigger issues to overcome than an RJ pilot shortage. I still maintain that PHX is going to shrink as a hub, with or without an RJ pilot shortage.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 10):
Furthermore, depending on how severe the pilot shortage actually becomes, the 50-seat aircraft may be most affected due to their unprofitability (in particular the abundance of CRJ200s they contract) and a potential lack of pilots to fly them.

I don't think it's dependent on anything at this point - I think it's pretty clear. The pilot shortage is going to be severe, and the 50-seat jets are going to be parked precipitously in the coming years.

[Edited 2014-02-20 15:34:09]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16077 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I don't see how. Per Delta's own press release, the carrier has a hard cap of 325 large RJs.

Yes, but you're forgetting that DL is taking all of AirTran's 717s, which is basically a large RJ. That concession allowed an increase in the scope clause for large RJs, and both of those mean that they will effectively be rid of 50-seaters, along with every aircraft having F.

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I agree - as I said, I think the broader economic and strategic issues facing PHX are far bigger issues to overcome than an RJ pilot shortage. I still maintain that PHX is going to shrink as a hub, with or without an RJ pilot shortage.

Right, but I wonder if the pilot shortage may exacerbate the problem and force further cuts, along with losing service to a lot of smaller communities, FLG for example.

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I don't think it's dependent on anything at this point - I think it's pretty clear. The pilot shortage is going to be severe, and the 50-seat jets are going to be parked precipitously in the coming years.

Of course, but I was addressing its effect on the PHX hub. The east coast hubs PHL and CLT may be worse off because of the large number of DHC-8s they utilize, and maybe the Saabs? I forget if they still use those. PHX has divested itself from all of those small props, and I imagine those will be the first to go. It may not initially hurt PHX as much as the other two.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16063 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Yes, but you're forgetting that DL is taking all of AirTran's 717s, which is basically a large RJ.

And AA is taking numerous new A319s, on top of those US already flies, and those are only 16% larger than the DL 717s. (And note: there are multiple recent examples at DL of recently-all-RJ routes seeing upgauges to mainline in the form of ... A319s.) Again - I see no discernible advantage here for DL. And I also further don't think this will have any net effect on the ultimate fate of PHX.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Of course, but I was addressing its effect on the PHX hub. The east coast hubs PHL and CLT may be worse off because of the large number of DHC-8s they utilize, and maybe the Saabs? I forget if they still use those. PHX has divested itself from all of those small props, and I imagine those will be the first to go. It may not initially hurt PHX as much as the other two.

Okay, but it's a broad network, so it's not necessarily a matter of "PHL and CLT have 50-seaters so those will feel the worst cuts." If tons of 50-seat capacity has to come out of the overall system - which it will - capacity will naturally reallocate across all the hubs regardless of which are immediately affected by the 50-seaters themselves.

[Edited 2014-02-20 16:56:56]

User currently offlinecageyjames From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15834 times:

Looking over the Maricopa Flood Control District historical images, it appears that Terminal 3 was expanded some time between 1982 and 1986. I always knew about the HP addition but I hadn't known they extended T3-South over 60% and North by almost 30% (to where it stays today). I assume this was done in conjunction with the HP expansion over that time but does anyone have more information on it? I had also forgotten about "the T" at the end of T2.

If you want to waste hours here is the link to their historical aerial image archive.

http://gis.maricopa.gov/MapApp/GIO/AerialHistorical/index.html


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15767 times:

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 14):

That was very interesting, thanks for that link. I find it amazing how much the airport has changed over the years. Someone that stuck out to me was the 2006 aerial image was the jetway that UA express gate has a jetway on it. I have never knew that there was a jetway there since it is no longer there. When UA express operated of C and D gates they used a outdoor boarding ramp as of a year and a half ago. Also good amount of ZK planes there as well.



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15746 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):
That was very interesting, thanks for that link. I find it amazing how much the airport has changed over the years. Someone that stuck out to me was the 2006 aerial image was the jetway that UA express gate has a jetway on it. I have never knew that there was a jetway there since it is no longer there. When UA express operated of C and D gates they used a outdoor boarding ramp as of a year and a half ago. Also good amount of ZK planes there as well.

I remember the jetway at gate C. Air Canada used to use that gate quite often with the A319, their 762's used gate 7 usually. I flew out of that gate a few times over the years, it was quite a hike up to a 757.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinecageyjames From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15718 times:

Last I recall using C was for Shuttle by United flights back when that was a thing.

Anyone recall the name of the motel/hotel that was across from Terminal 1?

[Edited 2014-02-24 12:37:39]

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15688 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 16):
I remember the jetway at gate C. Air Canada used to use that gate quite often with the A319, their 762's used gate 7 usually. I flew out of that gate a few times over the years, it was quite a hike up to a 757

I never noticed it until now and there is really no indication of a jetway ever being there now since that ramp has been resurfaced. When was Air Canada at T2?

So with AA moving out of T3 this week. Only SY and HA remain, seems like a little to much concourse for two airlines that operate once a day.



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15682 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 18):
never noticed it until now and there is really no indication of a jetway ever being there now since that ramp has been resurfaced. When was Air Canada at T2?

AC used T2 when they first started service to PHX, and continued to use T2 up to around 2005 or 2006 if I recall correctly. UA did all the handling of AC flights while they were at T2, they switched over to Serviceair when they moved to T4. I would go spotting with my dad all the time in the 90s and early 2000s and remember seeing the AC 767-200 at T2 often, among many other long gone airlines and aircraft.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinecageyjames From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15656 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 18):

So with AA moving out of T3 this week. Only SY and HA remain, seems like a little to much concourse for two airlines that operate once a day.

So what are the options? T3-North has basically no room. I'm sure they could squeeze those flights up there if they had to but at what cost. Can a 767 fit at T2 anymore?


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15642 times:

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 20):
So what are the options? T3-North has basically no room. I'm sure they could squeeze those flights up there if they had to but at what cost. Can a 767 fit at T2 anymore?

SY just moved to T3S from the north concourse, so I doubt they will move back to where they just moved from. The only widebody capable T2 gates I know of are used by UA currently, and are usually full at the times HA operates. I think there's a better chance of HA moving back to T4 again then to T2, but most likely HA and SY will just stay where they are for the time being.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15634 times:

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 20):
So what are the options? T3-North has basically no room. I'm sure they could squeeze those flights up there if they had to but at what cost. Can a 767 fit at T2 anymore?

T3 north has no room! There has been a Omni 772 at T2 so a 763 can fit over there but I don't see HA moving to T2. HA should have just kept their ops at gate 24 since the gate can fit a A330 and is close to DL techops. SY share a gate with B6 or NK?



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlinecageyjames From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15615 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22):

So here we are with T3-South being open a couple hours a day. I fear the TSA not staffing it well enough. I'll find out in a couple weeks when I go to Hawaii.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15521 times:

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 20):
Can a 767 fit at T2 anymore?

Gate 3 can handle up to a 777-200 on the alternate lead-in line.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 18):
When was Air Canada at T2?

Prior to December 2008.

AA/US co-location will begin tonight (February 25th). First AA flight to arrive at T4 should be AA1125 from ORD.

http://s1.postimg.org/583xp7wj3/photo_1.jpg

http://s28.postimg.org/sod1eu1tp/photo.jpg



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25 Aztrainer : Well when you consider that there is/are/were only three lines for all of T-3S there is going to be a wait. The last time I went to Hawai'i we were i
26 cageyjames : Why did B6 move up to north?
27 Aztrainer : Yes, HA and SY are the only ones in T3S now with AA moving to T4N. I guess FR, B6 and NK can move south with HA and SY and that would open gates for
28 Post contains links austwin : This is American's press release regarding the move tonite. It says the gates they will use are B7-14. My understanding is they fly regional jets on t
29 wn676 : B7/9 are already used for RJs. My understanding is that B7 will become primarily a B738 gate with Eagle ops at B9, although in a couple months the Ea
30 cageyjames : Seems logical. I can't remember the last time I flew an RJ to LAX but I'm pretty sure they still fly them there.
31 wn676 : US has had YV/OO flights there in the past. I might have spoke too soon though about future plans. US is all mainline currently to LAX but will be br
32 cageyjames : OK, thanks. I don't fly to LAX enough to really know the route.
33 Post contains images EricR : News is reporting that the AA move to T4 went smoothly last night including the movement of IT systems between both terminals. The news also reported
34 treebeard787 : Indeed, the move went smoothly last night. The PHXspottters facebook page has a lot of pictures up of the first T4 arrivals last night. One of the ne
35 austwin : Sky Harbor's Facebook page also had pics from the move posted from the Phoenix newspaper.
36 Post contains images PHX787 : Speaking of JFK, one of the long-haul A321s made an emergency stop at PHX T4 for med reasons....and it originated (or was destined to?) JFK. Btw guys
37 Maverick623 : It went almost flawlessly, especially considering within the first hour there was a medical diversion. AA really hit the head on the nail with all th
38 dlramp4life : The now former AA area which housed AA since 1979 is now a ghost town. I saw US taking all the AA equipment over to T4 last night. I don't see it happ
39 Post contains links and images wn676 : A321T diversion from last night. N106NN operating AA133.
40 Post contains links Viscount724 : Related article with video link covering some of the preparations. http://www.azcentral.com/travel/arti...n-airlines-moving-day-airline.html
41 chrisair : Saw the airport folks putting up the new signs at T4 last night. On the SkyTrain a few US workers saw the AA planes over at T4 and said it "looks weir
42 Post contains links Aztrainer : This is a little FYI for those of you heading to the airport that like to park at the terminal. Sky Harbor is allowing you to pre-pay for terminal par
43 PHX787 : When will the Skytrain to T3 open? I haven't heard much yet on it.
44 austwin : I read that the T3 station will open in early 2015.
45 chrisair : Cool link. Here's the only issue I see--they charge you a $2 service fee. Subtract that and you're paying the same ($11) as the East Economy garage o
46 Aztrainer : While that is true, I normally park at the terminal when I am going to Hawai'i and it cuts down on the time after the flight with an angry wife (dose
47 Post contains links austwin : West Jet announces service between PHX and YYZ. Link to the news release is below: http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=861
48 atcsundevil : Hmm. I think I said about a month ago that this route likely wouldn't get another carrier. But I did also say that the most likely candidate would be
49 dlramp4life : Really shocked to see the US A332 is not a big discussion item on this post.... Saw some pics of it on instagram, its good that the former hometown ca
50 osubuckeyes : Anyone know what gate the 330 used in T4? It would be a spectacular picture if the BA 744 and the 330 were adjacent on the high B concourse.
51 treebeard787 : It's using B-23, so right next to BA at B-25.
52 PHX Flyer : Are these the only wide body gates in T4, or could the end gates in the other concourses also be used for aircraft larger tan a B757? I am actually h
53 wn676 : A13 and B13 are striped for a 767-200 but AFAIK they would have to shut down the adjacent gates for wingtip clearance, which is not ideal considering
54 Aztrainer : I am sorry if this is a stupid/naive question, but is there any ability to manipulate the gates to allow more widebodies? I noticed that AA's MD's ar
55 PHX787 : Not only this widebody, but seeing the DL 763 having 2x daily service to MSP (along with the other 4 flights to MSP) is quite impressive to see. That
56 travaz : I was at terminal 4 today and the addition of American can crowd things up at certain times. Having flown out of PHX since 1970 it was kind of sad to
57 wn676 : Yes it's possible and has been done in the past, though not mainly for widebodies as there hasn't been a need. US re-configured their gates at T4N in
58 4holer : Crap. I've been dreading the arrival of that nugget.
59 Post contains links mariner : Frontier starting CLE-PHX, 3 x weekly, first flight June 13: http://news.flyfrontier.com/press-re...p-service-cleveland-six-new-cities "Frontier Airli
60 atcsundevil : Well...I guess someone had to try. F9 hasn't made literally anything else work over the past couple years, so why start now?
61 Post contains links mariner : Oh, I dunno. Frontier at TTN has gone from zero to 53 flights a week in fifteen months and will be at 70 flights a week by June. http://www.trentonia
62 atcsundevil : Well I guess if they threw enough darts at the board, something had to stick. Don't get me wrong -- seeking out new markets and being creative can be
63 mariner : How can I not "get you wrong"? They're owned by Indigo Partners now, who are no slouches at this stuff. mariner
64 osubuckeyes : Good moves for Frontier. CLE already had very high fares and little LCC competition, and now without the UA hub it is a perfect opportunity for them t
65 93Sierra : If UA coundnt make PHX-CLE work with a plethora of connecting points , why would F9 think it would work?
66 Post contains images point2point : F9 will offer $99 fares, where UA offers $500 roundtrip fares....... and F9 will almost certainly fill their planes with that.....
67 mariner : Probably for the same reason that CLE-SEA - which also United dropped - appears to be working, at least in terms of forward bookings. Frontier has in
68 AllegiantFlyer : A little disappointed tonight that i didn't make it to see the Qantas charter tonight, i had planned on going 5 months ahead of time! on a good night
69 atcsundevil : I thought it was clear that I was speaking to their previous performance. Yes, they are now under new, more competent ownership with a new direction,
70 mariner : Not clear to me. In your original post you made of mention of any change of ownership. Virtually all of Frontier's routes out of CLE are O&D mark
71 atcsundevil : I made mention of it in my second post, actually. I also referred to past years and horrible decisions by Republic on multiple occasions, and referen
72 mariner : But I first responded to your first post and the position you embraced in that. Given the success that Indigo Partners has has with ULCC airlines ove
73 atcsundevil : Simply because the management has changed does not effect immediate change to the company itself, and simply because Indigo has enjoyed past successe
74 mariner : There is one huge change. Frontier will now be a properly capitalised company, which has not been true for many years. It may be "relatively meaningl
75 PHX787 : I know Treebeard787 posted some of the QF 744 photos he took on the PHX Spotters page; did anyone else get any photos? Post them to our facebook or po
76 Post contains links Aztrainer : Well it looks like KPHX is still the 10th busiest airport in the US. It had a 19,500,000 passengers, but was down 0.2% from 2012's 19,540,000 http://w
77 AADFWFlyer : JFK is still listed in AA pubs and other places as a hub, and LGA a 'focus' city - but with the combined operations at both airports - both have grow
78 atcsundevil : I'm surprised no one has posted them here. I unfortunately had to miss them -- I was out of town, so my flight back in only missed them by a day! I'd
79 Post contains links 4holer : Temporary moving of the east cell phone lot. Looks good as a spotting location! http://www.azfamily.com/news/Sky-Har...c-around-Terminal-4-251458161.h
80 Maverick623 : Same thing they did over Christmas. That spot used to be the 42nd Street employee parking lot.
81 Post contains links 93Sierra : 4 sun country and 3 republic charters today at Laughlin/Bullhead. Side note, article about Tuscon airport. Article says TUS could add 20 flights a day
82 777stl : From personal experience this weekend in ORD, it needs to happen soon there. We were flying US back to PHX but wanted to drop by the Admiral’s Club
83 infiniti329 : Will US's 330 PHX-CLT red eye service continue indefinitely or is this seasonal equipment? How would B6 fair if they were start PHX-FLL redeye service
84 atcsundevil : I think the A332 service ends very soon -- in the next couple of weeks or less. I managed to get on it last week fortunately, but I was surprised the
85 infiniti329 : AC does YYZ-SEA with E 190 which has distance of 2097 miles (5hrs 15 min flight) ( I do not know if its payload restricted). I do not see PHX- FLL be
86 Aztrainer : It could be restricted in PHX due to temperature depending on departure time. According to stats that I have found on the E-190.... STD: 3,334 km (1,
87 atcsundevil : I guarantee you it would take a penalty especially in the summer, and with the higher CASM of the E190, it would be damn hard to make money with it.
88 treebeard787 : B6 have always seemed to have a hard time with their PHX service, they used to have 2 daily JFK flights, but couldn't make the 2nd flight work and re
89 AADFWFlyer : I agree, as they should move the ORD gates ASAP - for the size of an airport/hub for AA/US - should be next on the list in my opinion. Will let you k
90 Post contains images atcsundevil : They don't have the loyalty base in PHX that they have on the east coast and in California to make that work profitably. The fact that they've clearl
91 osubuckeyes : I could see them adding LGB or OAK if US scales back those routes as part of PHX cuts. The tricky thing is that both of those destinations are unique
92 atcsundevil : Right. Between AA/US and WN, they both have a pretty solid lock on those markets. Something pretty major would probably have to change for B6 to cons
93 Post contains links treebeard787 : A Super Guppy is en-route to KIWA with an ETA of 6:03PM. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA941
94 Post contains links infiniti329 : AC will turn PHX into a "Rouge" city with services from YVR, YYC & YYZ http://www.thestar.com/business/2014...ce_from_vancouver_and_calgary.html
95 4holer : CRAP!! I wish I'd seen this earlier! I think I heard it here in Gilbert but didn't go out to see it! Nuts!
96 treebeard787 : It's still there, they are going to leave sometime in the morning.
97 infiniti329 : Are they making their way eastbound?
98 atcsundevil : You sure it's all three? The way the article is worded, it seems like only YYZ will switch to Rouge as far as PHX service is concerned. The article a
99 Byrdluvs747 : Will the US hangar in PHX bear the AA name anytime soon or will that have to wait until they officially join in 2015? I'm not aware of any operational
100 777stl : I’ll be curious to see how well Rouge works for AC, considering very few airlines have been able to make the LCC airline within an airline concept w
101 treebeard787 : Yeah, they are heading to AUS today.
102 Aztrainer : That was what that was..... Damn, I was going to a meeting for my wife and saw something going to IWA that I had no idea what it was but it was big,
103 infiniti329 : In second paragraph is states "Seasonal service from Vancouver and Calgary to Phoenix will begin next December." I was able to pull up YVR-PHX flight
104 dlramp4life : So it looks like Swissport will be parking most of their hydrant trucks in favor of hydrant carts at T3 and T2.
105 atcsundevil : Ah, ok thanks. My iPad brought up the iPad version of the article and it didn't display that paragraph, so I missed that part. So I guess Air Canada
106 777stl : I don’t *think* there’s been a success yet. DL’s Song and United’s Ted failed relatively quickly. I’m not sure it was surprising considerin
107 atcsundevil : There hasn't been a success yet, unless I'm forgetting something. United also had United Shuttle to go against WN, which also flopped miserably. Ted
108 777stl : Ahh yeah, I forgot about Zip and Tango. From the very little I know about it, Rouge seems to be a separate subsidiary, which might bode well for it i
109 atcsundevil : Exactly. They seem to have taken a page from Lufthansa with Germanwings and IAG with Vueling. It'll make for a lower cost structure than a simple "sp
110 PHX787 : So what brought the Guppy to AZA? I clearly missed that one haha
111 treebeard787 : It made an overnight fuel stop here I believe. As I understand it, they were carrying a new type of fuel tank that Boeing built, and it was headed to
112 Post contains images infiniti329 : Apple at it again, determining what you can and cannot do (or read in this case)..
113 atcsundevil : The Guppy pretty much runs around parts for the Orion spacecraft, doesn't it? Is this related or is it something else? No kidding! Apple needs to qui
114 PSAJet17 : The SuperGuppy was carrying a composite rocket fuel tank to the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville Alabama. This is part of the Space La
115 infiniti329 : They should make an app for it.."What Apple Cant do" available now on itunes. LOL
116 atcsundevil : I figured it had to do something with Orion. I wasn't aware that it currently tasked with any other missions aside from supporting the Orion program.
117 PHX787 : Guys, keep an eye out in the next few weeks. I've heard a rumor some of the NH 744D will arrive at MZJ or GYR
118 wn676 : One already went to TUP, how many are still left to ferry over?
119 Post contains images wn676 : A couple of mine. Wish I could have found a way to include both aircraft since OEJ took so long to depart but the angle just wasn't there.
120 atcsundevil : Great pics! Thanks for the post. I wish I had been in town to see them.
121 ak : Working in the backyard this early evening around 1720 and heard the unmistakable sound of a Starship. I looked up and sure enough there it was on fin
122 Post contains links treebeard787 : There aren't any Starship's at IWA at the moment, you probably saw this http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N134EC A P180 arrival from KHOU at 5:25PM
123 93Sierra : And there is no runway 9 at IWA. They are 12L,C,R and 30 L,C,R.
124 osubuckeyes : Last night and two weeks ago I flew US back from DEN and LAX and both times when we arrived during the late night arrival bank it seemed that they wer
125 wn676 : It's fairly normal for that complex and only made worse by the co-location. I know US had to rely heavily on remote parking for RONs during the March
126 Aztrainer : It seems as if the DC-10 forest fighting plane was at IWA yesterday. I saw it from the 202, but when I passes at 10:00 the wind was blowing and it was
127 travaz : Every Day in the morning there are 6 to 8 US airbuses in the penalty box. Sometimes for 30 Plus minutes. This happens 7 days a week about 10 am
128 Maverick623 : The infamous Complex 3/4. US schedules ~40 departures (mostly eastbound) within 10 minutes of ~30 arrivals (mostly from points east).
129 chrisair : This has been going on since I started flying out of PHX in 2001. Note to self: if flying USAir to PHX, arrive before 9a or after 12p.
130 777stl : According to 10 Tanker's FB, they've positioned a DC10 at IWA.
131 treebeard787 : That's correct, it's been flying today. I tried to catch it depart this afternoon, but I only got a few shots over the fence and missed the take-off.
132 AllegiantFlyer : Im sorry but I have to bring this up, even though most of us East Vally guys hate to think of it. IWA - I was really expecting F9 to do really good bu
133 atcsundevil : In a word: No. A lot of F9's decisions under RAH's direction were shots in the dark, at best. I think the concept had merit, but I don't think they w
134 93Sierra : I heard their avg load factor was like 84 percent out of Gateway.
135 atcsundevil : Yikes! That's pretty decent to have then withdrawn from the market. Their costs were just too high compared to NK to compete on price, I suppose.
136 Aztrainer : What is the cost of OPS at a place like IWA vs PHX? I would think all of the fee's would be less to get more traffic to use IWA. Thank you, I was goi
137 Post contains links dlramp4life : Much cheaper. I believe IWA wavies some landing and gate fees. http://www.phxmesagateway.org/AirlineOpportunities.aspx I was thinking that F9 would m
138 mariner : Not with an E170 or even the E190, both of which are almost impossible to make money with on Frontier's (or any airlines) lower fares - which is why
139 Post contains images atcsundevil : Much, much cheaper. IWA offers incentives that PHX would not unless the city felt it could benefit without pissing off other airlines. IWA has histor
140 Post contains links and images mariner : Although even Jetblue has issues with the E190: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ut-into-jetblue39s-profits-385172/ Embraer maintenance costs c
141 treebeard787 : Speaking of Frontier, flight 742 PHX-DEN had a contained engine failure this morning, it ended up rejecting the take-off from 07L.
142 travaz : Why cut yourself off from a large part of the market. PHX is nice and central. I won't drive all the way to IWA from the west valley to save a few bu
143 777stl : There are far more people in the east valley than there is in the west valley. Between Tempe, Gilbert, Chandler, and Mesa alone, there are well over a
144 osubuckeyes : PHX is way more convenient for anyone that lives West of Arizona Ave (SR87) unless airfare is significantly different. The major areas that IWA shoul
145 PHX787 : AZA couldn't keep NK service...that's the thing that has me concerned about AZA.
146 777stl : Yeah, make no mistake, AZA is never going to explode in growth because there really is nothing wrong with PHX. Sky Harbor isn’t slot constrained, i
147 Aztrainer : PHX has room for growth especially with the lack of anyone other than HA using T-3 south. PHX is in a great location for the whole valley and is easy
148 Aztrainer : Do most new plane for WN now go through PHX for their delivery or are they also going through LAS?[Edited 2014-04-19 08:47:14]
149 atcsundevil : I don't think it's "most", but certainly many do begin their revenue service lives in PHX. The couple of times I've been at the WN MX hangar they've
150 PHX787 : Ok I think it's safe to say we can say byebye to the PHX hub after 3 years, with AA apparently announcing LAX as the gateway to Asia....no need for PH
151 777stl : I couldn’t disagree more. PHX was never destined to be a powerhouse international hub, save for a few flights to Mexico and Canada, merger or not.
152 wn676 : There's nothing that PHX is giving up or could really ever give up to LAX in terms of international flying. Nothing is being lost in that sense with
153 Post contains images atcsundevil : Phoenix was NEVER going to get this to begin with, and thoughts otherwise are foolish (as I've said for years). If it was possible, US would have beg
154 Aztrainer : PHX never was and never will be a "gateway to Asia" With the connections via SFO and LAX there is not the need. Will AA destroy PHX, no I think that
155 Post contains images PHX787 : I have to say it's kinda hard to look at the OP of this thread, since SA7700 has passed on Other than that, it's been quiet here recently. How's it in
156 osubuckeyes : Getting hot. Preparing for the annual CRJs were weight restricted due to heat threads. In other news the people mover has nightly closures going on t
157 Post contains images aztrainer :
158 travaz : I think that Phoenix would be a good option for a lot of East West connections for AA. (none TPAC) SLC, OAK, SJC, LAS, SEA and others would be good fo
159 777stl : What happened to him?
160 dlramp4life : What are you talking about? Well there were alot of diversions and gate holds because of the ground stop at LAX this evening. Construction is slowing
161 aztrainer : Anything interesting come in due to the ground stop at LAX?
162 Post contains links wn676 : There were a few. Virgin America A320 from JFK: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...1/history/20140430/1700Z/KJFK/KPHX Copa B738 from PTY: http://
163 aztrainer : I would of like to see the AA 757 in its nice and shiny chrome outfit under the Arizona sun.
164 BA744PHX : Hey Everyone, Not much going on this thread recently decided to bring up a few topics Does anyone know how Y4 is doing on GDL/MEX-PHX? Any possible ex
165 BD338 : Well, the route did survive the loss of the HP feed and is now back to daily well before the US/AA codeshare, so maybe there might be an increase in
166 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : Our Thoughts For Hercules (SA7700) (by wilco737 Apr 15 2014 in Non Aviation) The OP passed away in mid-April- RIP
167 Post contains links EricR : PHX, like many airports, has a development marketing program with incentives to encourage new service to unserved markets. For new international route
168 Post contains links 4holer : Fun day for IWA... Just watched an AN-124 approach, and now I see that the DC-10 tanker has scheduled a flight in later this AM. http://flightaware.co
169 treebeard787 : Yeah, I was on the southeast side of the airport and the An-124 flew right over top of me, that was cool.
170 4holer : I'd seen it on FR24 over Prescott (have fr24 filtered to show most widebodies only), and I'd hoped it would make a more favorable approach for me in
171 infiniti329 : Its there under DOD contract (...dunno why when have our own c-17s personal gripe)
172 aztrainer : Last time they were in town they took some AH-64's to the middle east.
173 treebeard787 : From what I've heard, AH-64's are what they were loading on earlier today.
174 atcsundevil : Very interesting. I've wondered for quite a while why there's never been a PHX-RIC flight. I grew up in RIC and up until last year, I went back to vi
175 Maverick623 : It takes a lot more than 30 people each day to start a route.
176 osubuckeyes : Revenue gaurentees/incentives on both ends, catchment from surrounding areas (PHF, ORF, CHO, Northern VA), and West coast connections it would not be
177 atcsundevil : What I described was obviously 30 people on one airline at a particular time of day and entirely O&D PHX-RIC. So, I'm guessing there's a lot more
178 Mah4546 : There are only ~70 people each way flying between the two cities.
179 cageyjames : How congested is T4N these days? I see US and AA planes lined up on the apron waiting for gates to open.
180 osubuckeyes : In the morning around 8 or 9 all the westbound arrivals stack up waiting for the eastbound departures to leave. Similar thing happens in the evenings
181 PHX787 : The Cincinnati Chamber of Commerce is currently planning some incentives for US/AA to begin service as well from PHX-CVG, replacing the current one-m
182 atcsundevil : Which is all O&D and doesn't account for connections to/from LAS, LAX, etc. PHX wouldn't offer incentives for a direct RIC link if the route was
183 93Sierra : Also to add to the RIC flight, the largest reserve company in the USMC is located here in PHX. The 6th Enigneer Support Battalion , Charlie Company is
184 afitch7881 : Anyone think AA/US will restart PHX-BDL? This was a solid route for HP for years.
185 travaz : I wish they would. That is where most of My family live and I fly it quite often, AA used to have a non stop back in the day.
186 Mah4546 : Connections already easily taken via Chicago, Charlotte and Dallas.
187 EricR : Perhaps, but those connection options you listed above certainly did not stop AA/US from recently adding PHX-CLE.
188 atcsundevil : ...which means the airline couldn't take advantage of incentives and route guarantees offered by both RIC and PHX, and considering that takes away th
189 Mah4546 : PHXCLE is a significantly larger market. I fully expect AA to add markets like PHXRDU, PHXCVG, PHXBNA, etc. while the hub still exists - logical addi
190 atcsundevil : I never once said PHX-RIC will happen, I only implied that it is possible. Officials in both cities are seeking nonstop service to each other which g
191 osubuckeyes : Yea, I saw it flying out that weekend before. I had just dismissed it as a RON, but I guess it was not. Now that I think of it E-Jets aren't a common
192 chrisair : It's been here for a while. I've seen it over at Cutter and over by T2 where that WN 733 was parked in the winter. Wonder if it's being used by Honey
193 Mah4546 : On United? No. On Frontier, I would never have said that, because Frontier has that kind of out-of-the-box route thinking. And I never referred to So
194 aztrainer : I have seen and photographed an AC's E-jets, but you are correct they are fairly uncommon. I was playing on Google Earth this weekend and they have n
195 osubuckeyes : If you go to PHX there are some people that have given reviews to each of the runways. Some of the reviews are pretty entertaining.
196 93Sierra : G4 had an emergency evac today on the taxi way, flt to ICT, 169 pax. Blew the slides and got out on the taxiway vs taxi back to terminal due to smoke/
197 4holer : Evacuation would have gone much faster but the F/A at the door charging the "Evac Slide Usage Fee" was having issues with her credit card reader. Onc
198 dlramp4life : We get it, they charge for everything... Seems like that was a little much. Local news said the FAA was enroute to investigate, anyone know any more
199 Post contains links EricR : SkyHarbor airport topped the 4 million passenger mark in March. This was the first time in its history that Sky Harbor had more than 4 million passeng
200 osubuckeyes : Not surprising at all with the horrible weather that was all over the East coast all winter. Should be interesting in the years to come as more baseb
201 osubuckeyes : Also I was wondering if anyone expected Virgin America to enter the PHX market anytime soon?
202 treebeard787 : I agree, that was a little harsh. I have flown Allegiant several times before, and while they do charge for everything, they aren't overly pushy on t
203 777stl : I'm optimistic that this is good for the prolonged longevity of the hub.
204 PHX787 : Anyone have any idea when the T3 people mover will be finished?
205 EricR : I do believe the opening is scheduled sometime early 2015.[Edited 2014-05-22 06:59:01]
206 aztrainer : Well due to the fires the DC-10 tanker 911 is back at IWA.
207 Post contains links 93Sierra : PHX recorded it busiest month ever in March. Over 4 million passed through the airport. 1.9 million by US and 1.2 million by WN. http://www.usatoday.c
208 Post contains images PHX787 : I was part of that 4 million, but via DL
209 treebeard787 : I saw 911 on the ramp yesterday afternoon, there is a single Neptune out there as well.
210 Post contains links wn676 : AA 777 diversion enroute from LAX to MIA for unruly pax. Reg is N783AN: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20140522/1750Z/KLAX/KPHX[Edit
211 atcsundevil : I know that IWA has been courting them for a number of years -- at least since 2008. I think it was pretty optimistic since it isn't the typical airp
212 treebeard787 : My guess is it's because their primary markets, LAX and SFO are already saturated to PHX. LAX-PHX has 29 flights scheduled today between AA, US, WN,
213 Maverick623 : Testing has already started. For 10 days this month, and for the entire month of June, the train will be shut down every night from 10PM-5AM for test
214 atcsundevil : Right, I almost added that to my post. The PHX-California market is totally saturated, which is an unkind environment for new entrants with zero loya
215 infiniti329 : Could Apple setting up shop in Mesa influence VX to run a few flights a week to IWA?
216 treebeard787 : I suppose it's a possibility, unlikely, but still possible. I don't think the new Apple facility is large enough right now to create that much demand
217 chrisair : Highly doubtful. Apple isn't shuttling large swaths of employees between Cupertino and Mesa. If any bigwigs fly down here, they'll come on the compan
218 atcsundevil : As the others say, I think that's doubtful, albeit a good thought. Intel shuttles their employees from IWA to SJC (I think) from their campus in Chan
219 Aztrainer : Does anyone know if the AN-124 is going to be coming back to IWA soon? The reason why I ask is that this morning I saw four AH-64's on the north side
220 777stl : Correct. It's somewhat ambiguous as to who actually owns/leases the plant, but it's run by GT Advanced Technology, a subcontractor.
221 treebeard787 : Yes, I heard from a contact that the An-124 will be coming back sometime soon to pick up the rest of the AH-64's that were ordered. I don't know when
222 Aztrainer : Thanks and I will. I just hope that it is not Tuesday PM or Wednesday AM as I have appointments then and cannot see it.
223 Post contains images PHX787 : How soon are we talking? Next week soon, or like, August-when-Zach-returns-To-Arizona- soon?
224 infiniti329 : As of yesterday (5/30) the outgoing apaches are already parked on taxiway C awaiting pick up
225 Post contains links mach2is2slowaz : Looks like an AN-124 will be at IWA in the morning. Sunday June 1st around 8:19am http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA1801
226 Post contains images atcsundevil : NBC12 just reported that according to PHX airport officials, "...a bullet was found on the runway around 2:30 this afternoon. The bullet was on a jetw
227 Post contains links Aztrainer : AN-124 will leave at 6:10 this morning (6/2) to Goose Bay in Canada http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA1814 Saw the same thing and thought the same
228 hz747300 : Just in town for a few days, and I have noticed the same to United Express, ie, Mesa, E175s parked near the police station. They seem to have been the
229 atcsundevil : Well, three things (and there's possibly more to it -- I'm not an insider). One, all new aircraft when delivered to an airline go through an entry in
230 hz747300 : Nice, and well, I can attest to this for sure. 112F with almost no humidity is much easier to deal with than 90F and 99% humidity. Family beckons, an
231 Aztrainer : Best statement EVER on the heat here. I also love when people say, "But it is a dry heat" witch I follow with, Yeah, so is a fire.
232 AllegiantFlyer : Currently at sky harbor going away on a trip to Kona, I noticed an AA 757 landing? Anyone know about this? Does AA ever send 757's to PHX on a schedul
233 Post contains links osubuckeyes : PHX-DFW on AA has started seeing some 757s, I believe 2 or 3 daily. I think they have started one to ORD as well. This will be more common as crossfl
234 wn676 : That appears to be a temporary schedule with the 757s. They go back to MD80s and 738s next week and through the rest of the summer.
235 Maverick623 : Temporary schedule change. 2 daily DFW trips will be on 757s this week.
236 Post contains images travaz : Having been to Hong Kong in July (my favorite city) it is 95 degrees with 90% humidity. I will take the desert!
237 atcsundevil : I grew up in the south, so while I'm no longer accustomed to humidity, I can take it just fine. I've never thought that sort of heat became simply op
238 MountainWest90 : Does anyone know or remember what kind of service level AM has had in the past? It seems a bit odd to me that they maintain their one daily flight to
239 wn676 : AM historically had a larger presence than they do today, most of which fell off between 2008-2010. They operated GDL and MEX nonstop with 737s and M
240 hz747300 : I can attest, it makes a difference. I lived in PHX for four years, but eight years in Safford, prior to Safford, I was in Jeddah, KSA for 13 years.
241 MountainWest90 : Thanks for the reply. I still find it interesting that they continue to operate the 5D service HMO. Since I'm on a Mexico rant today. What are the ch
242 Post contains links wn676 : These look like brand-new planes prepping for EIS. Regs appear to be N87302, N87303, and N88301; that last one has been doing some proving runs: http
243 wn676 : MTY does have service to LAX on 5D. AA certainly has a larger customer base to pull from on the west coast but like you mentioned they do already hav
244 MountainWest90 : I missed that one. I just thought I'd pose the question see what some thoughts were. As well I find it unlikely. However I will say that while MBJ ha
245 Maverick623 : The dry heat is more tolerable. For about 2 minutes, or until you touch the steering wheel in your car at 2PM. My favorite comeback to the "dry heat"
246 osubuckeyes : I always say go stand by your oven for 4 months then see how you feel. The frustrating thing for me is when it's still 105 at 11pm. Then comes the A.
247 Aztrainer : Two finger driving technique mastered.... Thanks to my college days of driving a 1971 VW Bug with black searing wheel and vinyl seats. Actually they
248 777stl : Meh, this isn't bad. Unless your from one of the far northern states, chances are, your summer sucks equally as bad, only because of humidity. The oth
249 mach2is2slowaz : I have been to both Houston and Atlanta in mid July when its 98 deg with 100% humidity couldn't wait to get back to the 115 deg in PHX. At least in PH
250 Post contains images chrisair : For anyone complaining about how hot PHX is, this is a DESERT. It's supposed to be hot here. Park in the shade and sit in the air conditioning. Is thi
251 Aztrainer : Yep, after getting burned enough it went from a steering wheel to a searing wheel. They wanted to extend the runways to allow bigger Business jets in
252 93Sierra : They have the space right now to extend 4R/22L about 485 feet with out moving the perimeter road. The push for over 5000 is that some bizjet operators
253 Post contains links Aztrainer : Mesa PD's MD-500 had to do a hard landing in a field due to an engine failure. The pilot and observer walked away, but the tail rotor snapped off. htt
254 MountainWest90 : Is it feasible for US to fly some seasonal routes to ski destinations such as ASE, EGE, or JAC even if it's less then daily?
255 mach2is2slowaz : Its too bad that the City of Chandler didn't work with Gila River to develop Memorial airfield into a viable large scale airport. With it access to I-
256 Post contains links EK413 : Hi All, With this discussion reaching well over 250+ responses I have kicked off discussion thread Part 10. Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Part 10 (b
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