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Turkish Aviation March 2014  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 months 16 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

Hello Everyone. Here we are and yet another month.


One of the highlight from last month was Sun Express order for 40 737NG and MAX aircraft.



I find it interesting how LH-TK have been able to maintain the Sun Express partnership all these years especially now that Sun Express continues to grow in Germany and is truly stealing passengers from LH as it grows routes beyond its traditional Germany-Turkey focus. Even in Germany-Turkey markets XQ has stronger market share than LH in some city pairs.

Now with TK, PC and XQ having new generation planes on order, will we see anything similar from Atlasjet or Onur Air? Speaking about Onur I guess their ownership is in question with old owner back in the picture as planned buyers appear to have fallen through.


Looking ahead in 2014 and potential new TK markets, at the just posted investors update TK provided the below table with list of "planned" destinations (in red)



Some other tidbits out of the investors update:
o Turkish market accounted for 104mil travelers in 2013. Forecast to grow to 153mil by 2017. Domestic demand has been growing at 15% since 2007 and Intl demand 11%
o In 2013 24% of passengers made Intl-Intl connects on TK up from 23% in 2012. So 76% of business still remains Turkey O&D.
o Premium class clients accounted for 5% of passengers in 2013, but 20% of revenues.

They also published a fleet forecast as well.



While reading the update, I also impressed to read about all the 3rd party work being done by the various MRO affiliates of TK. For example at HABOM hangars at SAW, 92% of the revenue comes from 3rd party airlines, at the TK-Goodrich venture 64% is from other airlines, while TK Technic IST base earns 24% of its revenue from other outside sales.


Of course one of the bigger topics on A.net in February was the rumors about A380 leases at TK.
Personally I have stayed quiet on the topic as I view the talk as hot air and not serious. Sure TK looks at lots of things, including aircraft, but a company might analyze 20 potential scenarios of which none become reality at the end. Also I know the reality that TK management likes to talk, and unfortunately the media (and A.net) members take any comments they make as gospel.

On a personal note, I am aware VLA analysis done at TK in recent years, and yes there could indeed be a place for such an aircraft at TK, but its a niche need, and one that is only useful in a small subset of markets and times. But its not the most compelling business case in the grand scale of things. So yes I think TK will have a VLA one day, but its still a very costly proposition and a fleet of 330, 777s etc are much much more flexible and provide much more compelling use case at this time.


So lets get on with the discussions and see what transpires in March.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineek604 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 5 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

LHE being upgauged from 738 to A332 from 24/6/14

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

Adios to hot and dry 13/14 winter.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
They also published a fleet forecast as well.

Looks like TK plans its NB fleet based on B738 and A321. All other types are slowly phased out (except B739 for niche markets).

So TK will have mainly 4 types: A333 - B77W as WB and A321 - B738 as NB.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Looking ahead in 2014 and potential new TK markets, at the just posted investors update TK provided the below table with list of "planned" destinations (in red)

Some of the destinations in red have already been announced. The latest ones are Oran, Constantine, Tlemcen and Batna in Algeria:

http://airlineroute.net/2014/02/28/tk-algeria-may14/

as well as Pisa in Italy

http://airlineroute.net/2014/02/28/tk-psa-s14/

For the Americas, this table should put to rest the stubborn persistence of the MIA fan club on this site that a return of TK to Miami is just around the corner. It seems that we are looking at San Francisco and Atlanta next and what I presume to be a combined Mexico-Havana and Caracas-Bogota flight further south.


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 hour ago) and read 9798 times:

looking at fleet plan:
A 332 ,16 means 8 addition, if it is means 8 announed lease (5 aercap and 3 jet birds) , 2 remaining GF birds will not be taken.
A333, Airbus will deliver 5 frames in 2014, it should be 17 or 1 lease,
It seems that Jet 777s will be returned this year
i think smaller sizes will syat at fleet but due ro expiring lease they are not included, normal tendency is to extent leases
both of A 319 and 320 have different missions


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

I agree with Laxint, rather than VLA , smaller types of WB fits better for TK. frequency is very important at TK s business model. In addition to 777/332/333 some more 332 HGW will fits as well. some 788 would be a perfect fit for adding destination in US while range is needed but 77w is too big
maybe some 77L for SYD or 789 ( i assume it has enough leg)


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9566 times:

Looking forward to the first flight of the new service of TK to my local/home airport RTM on next tuesday.
This first flight will will probably be performed by an A321. and there are more flights with this type scheduled for april and May. So i seems there is enough demand for this new service.


User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Thanks for a great thread starter with the two images (Destinations and Fleet Plan) LAX ... gives a lot of info at just one glance and helps look at the big picture before posting stuff.

TK is surely on fire ... can't wait for the new 77Ws and 333s coming in. But the new IST airport is the big priority at this moment - the future this airport will will be a principal constraint of TK's explosive growth. Meanwhile, streamlining the fleet composition to 4 types is a very good move towards better efficiency and maintenance.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 2):
So TK will have mainly 4 types: A333 - B77W as WB and A321 - B738 as NB.

Question to the thread is:
1. W hat would be the most optimum conditions and projects in the interim 5 years (until the new airport is online) that would make the maximization of capacity at IST and also the most aggressive growth of TK possible.
2. New parking positions at IST is under construction as I understand. What about new terminal gates in the place of the cargo area east of the current terminal? How long would it take to construct 10-12 gates there?
3. New cargo area to the west of the parallel runways? Or moving dedicated cargo operations to SAW?

Meanwhile, can't wait to see a TK bird in BOS ... and in Central / South America!


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 7):
Question to the thread is:
1. W hat would be the most optimum conditions and projects in the interim 5 years (until the new airport is online) that would make the maximization of capacity at IST and also the most aggressive growth of TK possible.
2. New parking positions at IST is under construction as I understand. What about new terminal gates in the place of the cargo area east of the current terminal? How long would it take to construct 10-12 gates there?
3. New cargo area to the west of the parallel runways? Or moving dedicated cargo operations to SAW?

We need to see start of new airport construction. There are some legal and financial issues about this; if they can not overcome with these problems current expansion work may be turn a much bigger investment even a remote terminal to military area. Actually I make same rough measuremets via google maps; this area can accomodate same size of current international terminal and decent apron space; but does it worth spend billions while a brand new airport construction in the horizon or if it build does runway capacity can handle this expansion ?

New terminal gates will be widebody capable, 5 of gates will be build. My guess it will take less than a year even 6 -8 months.

About VLA, I know TK management likes to talk about everything but delaying new airport limits additional frequencies and pushes bigger aircraft. If you remember, there were a different ideas coming Mr Kotil and Mr. Topcu about VLA; but Mr Topcu changed his words and now stated need of VLA. I guess they will be happy if they can lease 380 like they made 777; try and buy later.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9241 times:

Here is very basic animation how can be built additional terminal and open parking spots into military area

http://i62.tinypic.com/9rixjk.gif


User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 9):
Here is very basic animation how can be built additional terminal and open parking spots into military area

Thanks MeCe ... that animation is eye-opening! That is a HUGE amount of area and can easily accomodate a whole new terminal ... along with plenty parking spaces. But bigger question remains on runway capacity. Is there any room for some new ATC safety procedures or that is maximum already? Also, anyway to lengthen or widen existing runways? I guess, it boils down to the basic question: how much longer can present IST sustain TK's growth?


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 9):

I still believe that 3rd Airports needs a lot of efforts and study before construction can start if ever starts. Considering the leaked tapes of main contractor partners also puts this project in political risks.

I think DHMI should investigate possibilities for further growth at IST as a back up plan. Perhaps TK can built its own prestigious international terminal as shown by MeCe in the military area. A terminal design similar to Terminal-2 of MUC with minimum 40 or even 50 gates would be fine and fit well to this space. Existing International gates from 201 to 209 can be switched to domestic terminal to increase domestic capacity.

Quoting ASA (Reply 10):
bigger question remains on runway capacity

Yes… This is the challenging question.

Only way to go is to build a new 17/35 parallel runway at the east side of the airport.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

I still belive a proper planned 3 rd airport is a must for Istanbul. Current airport area and shape is well limited for further growth; but there is still some room as you see.

I wish TK, TAV and DHMI have a back up plan for this mess, for example years ago TK management declares growth for over 200 plane fleet; an additional terminal should considered at same time. Now this kind of expansion can be built at least 24 months, at this time TK's growth make runway capacity obsolote. I have clue there is still available slots because of TK's bank type operation. But again who wants to invest billion dollar for such a limited time operational terminal ? May be TK,TAV and DHMI should built and share expenses


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 2):
So TK will have mainly 4 types: A333 - B77W as WB and A321 - B738 as NB.

Yes looks to be so.

Basically TK fleet seating capacity mix will be -- 150 - 180 - 280 - 340.

Looks good except for the gap between 180-280, but with the A332 still sticking around in some numbers will help cover that.

Quoting ASA (Reply 7):
Or moving dedicated cargo operations to SAW?

Simply does not work. It has been looked at, but virtually entire Turkish freight forwarder community is based on European side of Istanbul and moving cargo back and forth via road to SAW creates an even larger logistical time and cost headache.

Also for TK the ability to transfer cargo between pax and freighter aircraft at IST works similar to how passengers transfer between flights, so moving freighters to SAW weakens this connectivity.

Quoting MeCe (Reply 12):
I still belive a proper planned 3 rd airport is a must for Istanbul.

  

Istanbul is now a market of 70mil, headed to 100 million, so there is indeed a strong need for a new greenfield project.

Without a new airport, Istanbul will end up being artificially constrained as we see in places like London.

Quoting MeCe (Reply 12):
May be TK,TAV and DHMI should built and share expenses

Its more an issue of ROI. Spending billions on something that wont be around for several decades is a poor investment.

I recall reading in financial documents TAV expects to lose money on Ataturk if its closed to commercial traffic prior to 2022 as it will not have fully recouped its investment.

So I don't see much appetite for large spending at IST unless there are financial guarantees to the investors from a party like the government to assure them they receive proper returns even if the lifespan of any project is very short.



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User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8258 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 9):

Here is very basic animation how can be built additional terminal and open parking spots into military area

Inspired by MeCe animation, here is a modified version of that scheme with a second runway parallel to the existing 05-23


It is extending over the sea at the western end of the runway which can be done as in Madeira airport with pylons supporting the runway itself. ( Passengers might experience a similar experience to landing on an aircraft carrier )

yes a bit crazy, but Istanbul is full of crazy projects these days so why not  

[Edited 2014-03-04 05:13:06]
Big version: Width: 1281 Height: 854 File size: 996kb


[Edited 2014-03-04 05:14:19]

User currently offlineek604 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Hello all I will be arriving in IST on 14/3/14, if I am correct as American citizens, my sister and I will be able to still get Visa on Arrival correct?
-ek604


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 14):

This is a nice idea: Relatively easy and cheap to realize.

However I do not think that it will improve the slot capacity a lot, as parallel multiple landings and take offs are still not possible.


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

hi all,
as per airfleets.net, other 2A330-243 of GF have been delivered to Hi fly and TK cancelled the deal. i found it at q4 presentation as well. does any body know why and under this circumstances what will happen to TC-JNV.

it will be the only Passanger A332 with RR engine, but there are plenty of A330-343 or A330-243 F with RR engines


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Quoting ek604 (Reply 15):
Hello all I will be arriving in IST on 14/3/14, if I am correct as American citizens, my sister and I will be able to still get Visa on Arrival correct?

Program is about to be discontinued in favor of eVisa which has been up and running since last fall.

You can get your visa online in advance.

http://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/

=



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User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 16):
as parallel multiple landings and take offs are still not possible.

Thank you but a quick question, why parallel landings and take offs are not possible, due to regulations or physical limitations?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Parallel operations cannot be performed on the 17/35 runways due to lack of spacing between runways.

You would need to relocate 35L/17R further west towards the Florya community, but airport boundary does not provide sufficient space.



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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

Thanks for starting the thread and the quality news/opinion as always.
The XQ story is always interesting to me especially so much of LH's pie is taken by TK from the Turkish market and them openly complaining about it. XQ growth is impressive for sure nice to see their new order.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
They also published a fleet forecast as well.

The wide body fleet further out seems to be sufficient to start the new routes, although I am having a hard time seeing A340's past 2020 I always thought they would slowly retire them, I know they are impeccably maintained and owned so cheaper to operate but, probably will be the oldest a/c operated by TK if its not already.
What plane would fill the gap between 180 and 280 seats and have the range to operate long and thin routes? 788/789 I feel like any 350 offering would be too much plane for that gap.

Quoting MeCe (Reply 9):

Thats a very nice animation thanks for sharing that. I know IST needs a 3rd Mega airport, but from the start I believed that could have been developed at IST(crazy project extend to marmara sea) that would be crazy but less expensive than the 3rd project.This is a rare subject that I disagree with LAXintl, If we need a new airport it should not be built where they chose to built right now. I'm not a tree hugger or anything by any means, but I know and live part time in Istanbul and I did my research on this, the project coupled with the new bridge(that is being built fast) is a horror story for the city. A city like Istanbul needs a mega airport I agree but it could easily be in Silivri. Look at Rome, where FCO is built miles away from the city. Why put it in the last undeveloped heart or should I say lungs of the city.
I don't think this airport will be built no matter how many judges they change, and not togo in to politics but AKP as we know it with its current structure would either be gone or formed and renewed in different party for next elections.
We shall see.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Pegasus published its 2013 figures

Operating EBITAR was 533.5 million Turkish Lira increase of 28% compared to 2012, on 25% increase in revenues. Gross profit was 450.5mil.
Company transported 16.8 million guests with average load factor reached 80.2% serving 76 destinations in 30 countries. Year end fleet was 49.

Carrier says its domestic market share has risen to 26.9%.

For an idea of growth this is what they published as planned firm order deliveries.
2014 - 1 737NG
2015 - 2 737NG
2016 - 7 A320NEO
2017 - 5 A320NEO
2018 - 10 A320NEO
2019 - 14 A320NEO
2020 - 13 A320NEO

=


In other news TK is greatly expanding its relationship with SQ. This is actually a major achievement as SQ is not the most friendly when it comes to cooperation.

Pending regulatory approvals effective May 1st. SQ will commence codeshare on TK services to Africa, Europe, Middle East, while TK will launch codeshare on SQ services to Australia, New Zealand and South East Asian destinations

Previously carriers only code shared on the IST-SIN sector.

As part of the deal SQ is increasing its IST service to 6x weekly effective May 26th.

I wonder if SQ sees TK as a bit of a QF-EK like deal, and can utilize TK to reach deeper into markets like Europe which SQ can access with its own equipment? This obviously also provides TK added connections to Oceania and Far East supplementing the codeshares on Thai.



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User currently offlinetk1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Turkish Airlines started flying to Rotterdam yesterday. What a great service they had. Three pictures for now:



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
I wonder if SQ sees TK as a bit of a QF-EK like deal, and can utilize TK to reach deeper into markets like Europe which SQ can access with its own equipment? This obviously also provides TK added connections to Oceania and Far East supplementing the codeshares on Thai.

But SQ/TK would still be at a disadvantage to QF/EK as you would have to route EUR-IST-SIN-AUS instead of EUR-DXB-AUS.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 25, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 25):
But SQ/TK would still be at a disadvantage to QF/EK as you would have to route EUR-IST-SIN-AUS instead of EUR-DXB-AUS.

I think you are missing the point.

Works great for the carriers respective home markets SIN-IST-XXX or for TK IST-SIN-XXX

SQ is disadvantaged in Europe as it only serves a few cities but not now can access very many more 1-stop via IST, same manner QF is able to use EK DXB hub.

Lets see how this develops. I would not put it past them to maybe create a JV one day.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 26):
I think you are missing the point.

Works great for the carriers respective home markets SIN-IST-XXX or for TK IST-SIN-XXX

My bad. Of course it will focus on respective home market and open up many new 1 stop options.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 27, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

TK's latest A333, registered TC-JOA, c/n 1501, seems to have been delivered from TLS. The next one is line 1514, so we may expect that one in a month or two.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 28, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

More details on the SQ-TK deal.
TK will offer connections via IST to 4 points in Australia, 2 in New Zealand plus to Brunei and Hanoi on SQ, while SQ will codeshare on TK via IST to 23 points in 11 countries.


Also per Istanbul stock exchange filing, TK has agreed to lease 2 additional A321s. MSN 2916 and 2919 on 6-year terms. Both aircraft are ex Kingfisher.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 29, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

TK released its 2013 earnings. Net profit TL 683 million on 18.8 billion TL revenue.

Also information released on various subsidiaries - Sun Express posted at USD $56mil net profit also.

=

Other news, on Friday, Turkish construction firm YDA İnşaat won tender for operation of Dalaman airport terminal till 2040 for 705 million euros. Other bidders included TAV, Limak-GMR and Fraport.



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User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

This thread is discussing TK's upcoming service to BOS ...

and could use your help on why 343 is shown instead of 333  
BOS Terminal E Renovation (by iyerhari Mar 4 2014 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
TK's latest A333, registered TC-JOA, c/n 1501, seems to have been delivered from TLS. The next one is line 1514, so we may expect that one in a month or two.

True, also the first 9W A332 arrived last night in Istanbul.
Second bird should follow very soon, too.


User currently offlinetk1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Just returned from Istanbul. What a major difference between TC-JSE (A321) and TC-JFZ (B738)... Most passengers were disappointed when they entered the plane.

Does TK think to upgrade the interior of its older planes? Or will they wait until the birds are replaced with A320NEO/737MAX?



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User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Quoting tk1244 (Reply 32):
Just returned from Istanbul. What a major difference between TC-JSE (A321) and TC-JFZ (B738)... Most passengers were disappointed when they entered the plane.

Does TK think to upgrade the interior of its older planes? Or will they wait until the birds are replaced with A320NEO/737MAX?

I think its going to be none of the options you mentioned.

They will just be still around and subbed randomly on every possible destination. TK will not retire too many birds except the early TC-JF(X) series. Some birds are getting new turkish made seats, that is all.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 34, posted (8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

With Turkish Technic now making seats they plan on refitting 25 narrowbody planes with the new cabins this year.
Anadolujet will also get the new seats, so some aircraft will get a refresh but ultimately there will be a few varieties floating around.



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User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 34):
With Turkish Technic now making seats they plan on refitting 25 narrowbody planes with the new cabins this year.
Anadolujet will also get the new seats, so some aircraft will get a refresh but ultimately there will be a few varieties floating around.

The sad part is that those will be changed with non IFE seats. So, in the end there is not much of a difference for the passenger.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 35):
be changed with non IFE seats

To my knowledge, there are Turkish made intercity buses with IFE systems. I'm sure TK can integrate IFE to those seats easily. The real challenge would be the certification!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 37, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Aviation Daily had a network profile for TK. Below are a few bits.

Top Airports in average daily departures
1. IST - 390
2. ESB - 87
3. SAW - 52
4. ADB - 16
5. ADA - 15
6. AYT - 10
7. TLV - 7
8. ASR - 7
9. TZX - 6
10. VKO - 6

Top Airports per ASMs(mil) and year over year change
1. IST - 670.3, +21.5%
2. SAW - 38.5, +205.7%
3. ESB - 36.9, +7.1
4. NRT - 24.1, +80.9
5. JFK - 21.2, +1.8
6. BKK - 20.4, +8.9
7. LAX - 16.3, 0.0
8. GRU - 14.4, +39.0%
9. IAH - 13.0, 0.0
10. LHR - 11.5, +10.1%

ASM Distribution and year over year change
Africa/ME - 65.8%, +26.5%
Asia - 12% , +26.0%
Canada - 0.6% , 0.0
Europe - 15.5% , +29.0%
Latin Am - 1.1% , +39.0%
USA - 5.1% , +25.1%

Also if anyone is curious the top stations in Europe based on enplanement are LHR, CDG, FRA, DUS, AMS



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 38, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Hey guys finally got my Turkish Airlines TR up for those interested.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/TKDEC/DSC03563_zpsd9afbf05.jpg

Turkish Airlines J Class DUB-IST-ATH+Lounges (by OA260 Mar 10 2014 in Trip Reports)

Points to mention were the three different cabin interiors. Of course I was spoilt with the new interior in J on the DUB-IST which was fab.

Catering great as always. That has always been a strong point on TK from my early days of flying them in the 90's.

The only issue I have is the flight connections at IST. WOW that place is mental. They really need to triple it in size as its one thing that lets down the whole experience.

The lounge has recently ( since my TR ) been extended again and feedback is very positive so it seems they have solved that which is great.

I know people sometimes complain about the crew but in all four flights I could not fault them at all. Smiling/attentive and professional service.


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

TK's second A332 from Jet Airways arrived last night in Istanbul.

User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 39):

According to Amadeus these birds are scheduled for BCN and MAD on morning rotation.



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 40):
According to Amadeus these birds are scheduled for BCN and MAD on morning rotation.

Let's hope for a better cabin condition than other previously leased planes.

When is the first flight of these planes scheduled?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 41):

Which ones? This one seems to be in good shape, similar to the 77W when they came first time. Config is 30C/190Y.

They're starting to fly by end of this month, and scheduled as daily to BCN/MAD 28APR onwards.



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4903 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 42):
Config is 30C/190Y.

Interesting configuration. Could be deployed on almost any route of the TK network.
Wonder if we could ever see it in NCE. It has a very premium heavy customer base, where TK sells even in winter months lots of C class seats.


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 43):
Wonder if we could ever see it in NCE. It has a very premium heavy customer base, where TK sells even in winter months lots of C class seats.

AFAIK in NCE there's regional Amadeus HQ which generates always big traffic from there...



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Not only of Amadeus, but also lots of other IT companies and start-ups are in the region.
Additionally, there is a huge influx of tourists from the Middle East and the Far East.

The two planes seem not be loaded into their own web page's reservation system, since these planes are not showing up if you make a dummy booking.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 46, posted (8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

The 30/190 seats map can be see in Seatguru.com

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Jet.../Jet_Airways_Airbus_A330-200_B.php

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From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

accoring to www.trfleetnews.com, second GF A332-243 has been painted as TK. really i am confused, for me I will not believe unless I see the bird at flights. I remember EC-LKE several months at Istanbul and then it has been returned.

User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 47):
accoring to www.trfleetnews.com, second GF A332-243 has been painted as TK. really i am confused, for me I will not believe unless I see the bird at flights. I remember EC-LKE several months at Istanbul and then it has been returned.

That contract was cancelled, so those birds will NOT be delivered.


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

hi turkish 777x
do you know why the contract has been cancelled, why they took one of it and then cancelled contract


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 49):
hi turkish 777x
do you know why the contract has been cancelled, why they took one of it and then cancelled contract

No, I just heart that they could not agree on the terms. Could also be due to the high increase of the turkish lira. I also think that TK will only take 2 of the initially planned 3 Jet Airways A332s. I hope I am wrong on the latter, since these birds are not bad at all.


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

as far as i remember they have a budget of 57 wb for 2014. If they cancel or reduce number of leased plan budget would notbe acheived.
on the other hand 220 for A332 would not be profitable (only 30 high yield c pax)
may be they can use the frame for thin long routes as an example deploying it for Jakarta (non stop) or Vietnam if they have enough range (both are tag on Sin or Bkk flights right now)


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

according to www.kokpit.aero 4 LOT 788 will be wet leased and deployed on Boston route.
i saw this rumor at same site for the past 4 months. lets see


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

unfortunately, nothing from kokpit.aero came out to be true in the last few months (787s, A380s, etc.). Anytime they make up a story, a TK executive comes up and denies it (those guys arent reliable either, but..)

so, when you see news originating from kokpit.aero, think twice before believing it.

(I hope I am wrong, btw, 787s would be awesome)



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 53):
unfortunately, nothing from kokpit.aero came out to be true in the last few months (787s, A380s, etc.). Anytime they make up a story, a TK executive comes up and denies it (those guys arent reliable either, but..)

so, when you see news originating from kokpit.aero, think twice before believing it.

(I hope I am wrong, btw, 787s would be awesome)

+1

BTW, latest information that I got confirms that TC-JNU will be delivered soon against all the speculation that the lease contract was canceled

[Edited 2014-03-23 05:25:45]

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

It is all quiet at Turkish Aviation lately. I suppose, you also follow MH370 story breathlessly like me.

I'm on my way to AMS and sitting now at THY Istanbul Lounge for the first time after extension. I have to say that I'm quite impressed . Kudos to TK management. Even though now it is a big space, they managed to make it a welcoming warm place. Much much better than LH or EK lounges at their home airports.

However I must warn you, it is already 50% full even after the extension.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p682/UmutAydinOrtana/IstanbulLounge23-3-2014_zps825dad5c.jpg

[Edited 2014-03-23 09:57:51]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 56, posted (8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Hello everyone,
As you might have noticed I have been taking a break for the last 4 months from a.net.
Thanks to LAXintl for keeping the threads up and others for keeping in touch.
I am a bit behind on Turkish aviation news but from now on I will try to participate as much as I can.

Also I have been really busy this year and after joining TK Miles and Smiles (finally!!), I flew close to 40,000 miles so far this year on TK and will qualify for Elite on my next flight. I flew a good combination of flights; both domestic and international, and TK is doing a good job but the usual problems remain.
Still almost all my flights were nearly full/on time and uneventful.

Again, thank you LAXintl  


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

hi TK787
great to see u. i was following u for the past 5-6 years, finally i joined but could not be here at the same time.
accoring to kokpit.aero rumors for wet leasing Lot 787s, maybe this timewe will see 787s(hope not only rumor)


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 58, posted (8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 55):

Well it was badly needed and people were left standing before. I can see another lounge being opened in future if this one fills up and cant be extended again. Maybe a seperate one for Elite Plus.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 56):

Hey great to see you back . Congrats on the Elite it really eases travel through IST along with other nice benefits.


User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

by the wat, TAV passport card is some thing great as well, real time saver, makes life more than easy

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 60, posted (8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

ist2014, welcome to a.net

-TK gets another used 321, TC-JMM msn 2916
-TC-JOB, latest TK 333, cn 1514, should be joining TK fleet shortly
-Pegasus receives its 4th Winglet 320 TC-DCD


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 61, posted (8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Welcome back TK787 !

Hope all your endeavors over the last few months were a success.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 62, posted (8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Bora Jet is to operate Summer services to RHO and JTR.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/08D642BF-EE45-4433-9B86-4088BE6C648F_zpsvxm47ua1.jpg

Link in Greek only :

news.travelling.gr

[Edited 2014-03-27 13:09:33]

User currently offlineist2014 From Turkey, joined Jan 2014, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

according to kokpit.aero, TC-JDJ retired this week, i checked from web and found last flight to SAW.
tail will be used for repairing TC-JDN.
it seems that gradual phase out started, however problem I see is that 7A340 were part of 2014 budget.
I am not sure whether 57 WB budget for 2014 will be acheivable or not (unless new leases)


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 56):
Also I have been really busy this year and after joining TK Miles and Smiles (finally!!), I flew close to 40,000 miles so far this year on TK and will qualify for Elite on my next flight.

After my long haul flights last week, I also just became Elite  

I used to be Elite many many moons ago when one could become an Elite member based on the numbers of flights and not necessarily on miles flown....

It will be exciting...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

A question for our IST airport specialists if I may?

My wife and I are flying with TK in August (first time on TK - very excited!) from KZN to DUB. I am wondering about the transfer in IST. Is it a simple transit? Or do we have to go through security procedures?

I have tried to find information on the net but it has only confused me more.

We have 1hr 10mins to transit in IST and I am wondering if it is enough for our type of flight transfer?

Thanks for any help!  



my luggage is better travelled than me!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 66, posted (8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 65):
We have 1hr 10mins to transit in IST and I am wondering if it is enough for our type of flight transfer?

Arriving from KZN you will head to flight connections where more often than not its a cattle market. Its one of the weak points in the whole experience IMHO. The connection is possible if everything is on time. I have done a one hour connection but it was a rush from gate to gate. You do need to clear security at the flight connections which is what takes the time. Last time it was a free for all. ! My advice is just dont hang around.

[Edited 2014-03-28 03:08:37]

User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Thanks OA260, that's what I was afraid of. Let's hope everything works out well!


my luggage is better travelled than me!
User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 65):
do we have to go through security procedures?

Today I returned back from AMS via IST. Now at IST, arriving passengers, who have international transfers, are directly disembarked to departures level at the gate ramp. I do not know if this is the policy for all international arrivals or only for flights arriving from airports with better security measures. But it certainly helps and I also witnessed that security check at arrivals level to go to departure level was completely empty.

By the way, it was another judgement day at IST. Looks like this time it is the rush for tomorrows elections  


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Turkish Airlines received another Airbus A321-231 from AWAS/PAFCO last night. The aircraft with its new registration TC-JMM was a former Kingfisher aircraft. One additional plane is expected to join as TC-JMN within the next months, too.

Their previous config was 32J 119Y. Very premium heavy, which is quite opposite to TK's A321s.

BTW, the former two 9W A332, which arrived a couple of weeks ago, are still not in service. Any ideas?

[Edited 2014-03-30 03:21:30]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 70, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Please continue here:
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