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New Frontier Part 45  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22085 times:
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Due to the previous thread becoming quite long and in some cases slow to load for some users, it was locked down for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in this ongoing thread.

Part 44 can be found here:

New Frontier Part 44 (by iowaman Dec 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22072 times:

Part 45 so soon already?

 


User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21998 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 1):
Part 45 so soon already?

Its because we've been talking a bit too much about TTN in the general thread. With 7 threads (8 if you count the orginal Frontier Announces TTN thread from August 2012), its the God of regional airport destinations. All bow down to the mighty TTN  

[Edited 2014-03-01 14:15:17]


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21928 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 2):
All bow down to the mighty TTN

I thought that we had to bow because it's to the Almighty DEN......

  

I am glad though that TTN got on line for F9.

F9 from the West had to control the whole of the U.S. from DEN, at least now it has TTN to help it along to control some of the East, eh? This can finally mean that with TTN now online F9 doesn't have to be completely DEN-centric.

And I think that ILG can help some along as well, if only from the front it didn't look like the laundromat in the strip mall that I use sometimes when I want to do some large pieces of laundry.....

  

I'm having fun here, huh?

 


User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21887 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
And I think that ILG can help some along as well, if only from the front it didn't look like the laundromat in the strip mall that I use sometimes when I want to do some large pieces of laundry.....

Also in the running for airport most likely to be mistaken for a strip mall
Northeast Florida Regional Airport (St Augustine/Jacksonville: UST)



(From the Skybus days)



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21866 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 4):

Hey.... great pic.... and you have me laughing some more now.....

  

 


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24998 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21756 times:
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News of Old Friends:

Sadly, the news from Great Lakes is not good. They say the new rules for pilots have hit 'em hard and they've had to cancel routes because they don't have enough pilots.

Cranky Flier explains it all here:

http://crankyflier.com/2014/02/03/gr...mall-cities-blames-pilot-shortage/

And there's a map showing all the routes that have been cut. It isn't pretty, but then these things never are. The numbers given for how much the pilots at the airline get paid are fairly disturbing.

On a somewhat happier note, Frontier's old chum Jeff Potter is back in the airline business. He's taken over as CEO of Surf Air:

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...air-ceo-eyerly-resigns-former.html

"Surf Air CEO Eyerly resigns; Former Frontier Airlines CEO to take role

If you haven't heard of Surf Air, you;re probably not alone. It's a club which offers private jet service. Don't ask me what I think of the model, because I don't entirely understand it, but it may appeal to the rich.

But it's good to see Jeff Potter doing the thing he loves again. I hope it works out.

mariner



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21747 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
And there's a map showing all the routes that have been cut.

It looks as though F9 isn't going to be the only DEN-centric scheduled commercial airline anymore.......

 


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24998 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21737 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 7):
t looks as though F9 isn't going to be the only DEN-centric scheduled commercial airline anymore.......

It's been that way for years. Great Lakes keeps trying to break out and then keeps retrenching - to DEN.

Here's the map on their website, without Cranky's amendments:

http://www.greatlakesav.com/route_map/Docs/route_map.pdf

Totally DEN-centric.  

mariner



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 21714 times:
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I don't mean to be uncaring but alot of these cities don't need EAS.

Devils lake: 1 1/2 hours to Grand Forks
Jamestown: 1 1/2 hours to Fargo or Bismark
Ft. Dodge: 1 1/2 hours to Des Moines or Waterloo
Mason City 1 1/2 hours to Waterloo or 2 to MSP
Ironwood: 2 hours to Duluth
Thief River Falls 1 hour to Grand Forks

Unless it takes 3 hours or more to get to an airport and there is a decent population in the area then they don't need EAS.



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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5001 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21675 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 9):


Devils lake: 1 1/2 hours to Grand Forks
Jamestown: 1 1/2 hours to Fargo or Bismark
Ft. Dodge: 1 1/2 hours to Des Moines or Waterloo
Mason City 1 1/2 hours to Waterloo or 2 to MSP
Ironwood: 2 hours to Duluth
Thief River Falls 1 hour to Grand Forks

Unless it takes 3 hours or more to get to an airport and there is a decent population in the area then they don't need EAS.

Which it may well take during the winter months. All those cities mentioned are in the snow-belt. Maybe seasonal EAS?  



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 21598 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
But it's good to see Jeff Potter doing the thing he loves again. I hope it works out.

Boys and their Toys.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21515 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 10):
Which it may well take during the winter months. All those cities mentioned are in the snow-belt. Maybe seasonal EAS?

If they don't like the weather perhaps its time they get out of (Ft) Dodge (pun intended). But yes, perhaps seasonal EAS.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 4):
Also in the running for airport most likely to be mistaken for a strip mall
Northeast Florida Regional Airport (St Augustine/Jacksonville: UST)

What really gives it its potental as a winner is that its the only airport in the US with a Dollar General on property.  Big grin

[Edited 2014-03-02 10:57:12]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21362 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 12):
If they don't like the weather perhaps its time they get out of (Ft) Dodge (pun intended). But yes, perhaps seasonal EAS.

For the longest time I was under the impression Fort Dodge was a aviation NAVAID and not a city. I've heard Fort Dodge routing being requested most time by UA flight decks flying westward out of Chicago to SEA on UA Channel 9.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21214 times:

Any ideas why F9 flight # 726 an A320 diverted to MDT today enroute to DCA from DEN. Weather perhaps. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT726


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24998 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20897 times:
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MEM has begun and, originally announced as 4 weekly, it is already going to daily in June:

http://www.memphisflyer.com/NewsBlog...mes-first-frontier-airlines-flight

"Memphis Airport Welcomes First Frontier Airlines Flight

Frontier originally announced they'd start with flights four days a week leaving from the Memphis airport, but reception has been so good, they've already announced plans to expand that service to seven days a week."


I'm not big on Memphis, although there is - or was - a great cafeteria there, but hey, if it makes money.....  

mariner



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20837 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
MEM has begun and, originally announced as 4 weekly, it is already going to daily in June:

Yes, this is good to hear and hopefully will become profitable for F9. It is interesting to note on another thread there was reference to US/AA announcing the start up of PHL - MEM. I am beginining to suspect that the success of F9 at TTN is now making US/AA pay more attention to what F9 adds from that sector of the country.

I can confirm that the flight loads are running very good if my round trip DEN - PHX this week was any indication. Left DEN on an 8:05am Saturday dep with all paying pax as gate attendant announced that there was no standby space. On my return late Wednesday night (320) all but five seats were filled. First time F9 flyer sitting next to me said she chose F9 because her cost for the trip was less than SW even with the bag fee.  

We know some of the red-eyes that will be going out of DEN this summer, but are all of them out there yet? Things are looking up for F9.

Frontier 14


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20774 times:

Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 16):
on another thread there was reference to US/AA announcing the start up of PHL - MEM. I am beginining to suspect that the success of F9 at TTN is now making US/AA pay more attention to what F9 adds from that sector of the country.

For clarity F9 new MEM service is DEN-MEM-DEN correct. MEM is not yet offered f rom TTN or ILG?    http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/route-map

It appears the new management team got the MEM part correct just not to MCO.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 20722 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):
For clarity F9 new MEM service is DEN-MEM-DEN correct. MEM is not yet offered f rom TTN or ILG?

Yes just between MEM and DEN. MEM-DEN could be a indication that they might offer TTN-MEM in the future, US looked at the numbers and decieded to beat them to it.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20337 times:

There are apparently two gates at DAL which are in play and out for bid. The DoJ seems to have embedded itself in the award process. Apparently DL wanted the gates but the DoJ said no legacies. I'm not sure I understand why th DoJ would be be involved as DAL is not a capacity controlled airport. It is of course the home base of WN. Everybody seem to think WN will prevail on their home turf.

For the sake of discussion and quiet I wanted to toss out if there might be any thoughts pro or con about F9 beginning service at DAL-TTN or DAL-ILG. Houston-ILG didn't pan out of course. F9 would have both of the Dallas airports covered from different directions. DFW is supposedly there second busiest market after LAS from DEN.

Would WN retaliate if F9 were to start DAL-ILG or DAL-TTN?. The two carriers seem to work in harmony at several other stations including MDW, BNA and DEN which are WN focus cities.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 20303 times:
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I heard VX wanted them. Also have to wonder why ILG-IAH didn't pan out? Was it ILG? Was it IAH? TTN does have a larger population to draw from and the end of the Wright Ammendment is coming just in-time for the winter timetable of completion of the removal of obstructions to allow longer flights. When talking about longer flights they did mention DFW as a possible destination (probably thinking DL had a lock on the DAL gates) So who knows.


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 20265 times:

Speaking of Great Lakes / DEN, Are they flying any 9-seat Beech 1900s under 135 yet? Still think that's an extremely clever way for them to weather out the pilot shortage.

[Edited 2014-03-10 19:04:14]


What now?
User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20090 times:

Excellent news -

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/03/prweb11656973.htm

Quote:
Frontier Airlines Adds Nonstop Service from Cleveland to Six New Cities
Fly to Atlanta, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Phoenix, Raleigh-Durham, and Tampa with amazing fares at FlyFrontier.com

Following is the schedule for Frontier’s new nonstop service from Cleveland**:

Route: Atlanta
Effective: June 13, 2014
Frequency: Mon/Tues/Wed/Fri/Sat
Aircraft: A320

Route: Fort Lauderdale
Effective: June 14, 2014
Frequency: Mon/Wed/Sat
Aircraft: A320

Route: Fort Myers
Effective: June 13, 2014
Frequency: Wed/Fri/Sun
Aircraft: A320

Route: Phoenix
Effective: June 13, 2014
Frequency: Mon/Wed/Fri
Aircraft: A320

Route: Raleigh Durham
Effective: June 15, 2014
Frequency: Tues/Thurs/Sun
Aircraft: A320

Route: Tampa
Effective: June 15, 2014
Frequency: Tues/Thurs/Sun
Aircraft: A320


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5364 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20069 times:

I had a feeling there was a reason for the route map's "bigger print, bigger dot for Cleveland" that mariner reported.

It makes tons of operational sense to make the system into a CLE-DEN dumbell, even if the DEN end remains substantially bigger..

[Edited 2014-03-11 08:28:46]


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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20044 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 23):

I had a feeling there was a reason for the route map's "bigger print, bigger dot for Cleveland" that mariner reported.

It makes tons of operational sense to make the system into a CLE-DEN dumbell.

This is good news. The biggest surprise to me is F9 going up against DL on CLE-ATL. It's somewhat like NK that challenges the legacy carrier.

Since F9's service can be tolerated by more pax (including some business pax) than NK's service, I'm sure DL will price match the same day/similar time flights.

CLE-RDU is also another challenge to DL, but DL has limited nonstop frequency and RDU isn't a hub for it, and it's doubtful DL would upgrade it's service. The flight times appear different enough as well.


25 Post contains images MasseyBrown : I don't think F9 is challenging DL so much as they are better utilizing (reducing per pax cost) stations that have relatively few frequencies. They ca
26 GentFromAlaska : Darn and I thought the big dot at CLE meant they are using the A320 for all of the newly announced cities. I think DL and F9 are at ease with each ot
27 Frontier14 : You are right on from my perspective. F9 has seen this as an added opportunity and has not wasted any time in responding. What is interesting is none
28 Post contains links mariner : I heard rumors something was happening, but just as a route or two - and I had my fingers crossed for CLE-PHX. I believe they're "basing" at least on
29 MasseyBrown : All of it? I think F9 sees CLE as an exceptionally good fit in light of the city's and the airline's present circumstances and wants to get in ahead
30 mariner : What's been missed - or what I haven't seen posted anywhere - is that CLE-MCO also goes from 4 x weekly to 6 x weekly. mariner
31 MasseyBrown : It was mentioned in a Crain's Cleveland, a business newspaper, today that MCO frequency was increased before service had even begun based on demand.
32 Flytravel : I agree that F9 is doing what you summarized. But from DL's markedly territorial view in regards to their fortress like hub markets: ATL, DTW and may
33 mariner : This is really the first time there has been a direct challenge to Delta since the notorious adventures at MCI - Delta went nuclear when Frontier add
34 MasseyBrown : We'll find out. It's interesting that nobody expects UA to respond; they are planning to continue operating the Florida routes and to maintain a crew
35 mariner : Generally speaking, when it is just United and Frontier they have co-existed pretty well. There are numerous routes out of DEN where it is just the t
36 Frontier14 : Since the UA CLE pulldown was announced hasn't DL jumped on three routes from CLE to IND, RDU and BDL? I am thinking DL was wanting to cherry pick wh
37 Flytravel : Regarding RDU-CLE, I think F9 and DL are both doing opportunistic flying but neither are offering a comprehensive schedule. I think the flight times a
38 Post contains links and images mariner : Sure is. It's a line that Daniel Shurz used at Cleveland and has been using quite a lot recently: http://fox8.com/2014/03/11/even-frie...lying-more-f
39 F9Fan : Good to see F9 taking advantage of the UA departure from CLE. The CLE market is a little smaller than DEN, but with some opprotunities if you aer will
40 GentFromAlaska : I have it on good authority they don't shovel sunshine in PHX. If F9 keeps flying from the colder to warmer destinations they may to start shopping f
41 Post contains images MasseyBrown : In a PHX summer, the shovels would melt. People from the eastern sections of Toledo and Erie, PA, are also CLE customers when the flight is long and
42 MasseyBrown : There was speculation in Aviation Week that Indigo-associate Tigerair Singapore has gotten a little ahead of itself. If there is any retrenchment, I w
43 Post contains links PITrules : Its certainly not folklore; those of us in Pittsburgh know all too well about the leakage to CLE when PIT was a fortress hub. Here is an archived art
44 jeepyjeep : Just saw that the Frontier schedule was extended until mid-September. Haven't seen any surprises yet, but did notice that some of the MDT-MCO flights
45 jerseyguy : If you want to be saving some green on your F9 ticket for travel by May 21, 2014 use code POTOGOLD by March 18 to save 17 %
46 Post contains links mariner : There's obviously quite a lot of buzz about CLE, especially since Siegel has said it is now a focus city, and it;s best summed up in this headline: ht
47 jerseyguy : people may not like how he did it, but the airline did turn around, the alternative was much much worse (aka non-existant).
48 Flytravel : I wonder if WN and UA would actually like F9 to grow in CLE and might not contest it with response in any form, if it results in F9 shifting some fli
49 mariner : I;m not sure that will happen in any serious way, although to a small extent it may have. While the percentage of Frontier that is DEN-centric may de
50 Mexicana757 : I don't see Southwest reacting much at the moment. They are busy with DAL and DCA to pay any attention to CLE. Good moment for F9 to pounce on. That'
51 GentFromAlaska : In the ULCC model I think F9 needs to be weary of pricing their fares at CLE to low; which the other carriers should match in the markets they compet
52 Frontier14 : Thoughts - is SRQ to close to TPA to be a potentially viable F9 winter/spring (north - south flying) destination? It appears that UA and DL provide se
53 Post contains images MasseyBrown : Trying to think of ways Frontier and Wizz could collaborate. It don't come easy, as the song says; but they have to be thinking about this in DEN, BUD
54 CIDFlyer : I like what F9 is doing, seems like they are still adding smaller destinations via DEN but also taking risks at creating focus cities like TTN, ILG an
55 Post contains links jerseyguy : Here's some news on ILG: Apparently they are proposing a $4.50PFC to pay for past projects and a study of options to expand the airport. Proposed star
56 Post contains links mariner : Southwest strikes on STL-SFO - starting in October: STL-SFO Nonstop On WN. (by OzarkD9S Mar 22 2014 in Civil Aviation) I've always understood the rout
57 Post contains images Frontier14 : Well, I am not surprised by a LUV reaction as STL is a major focus city for them with around a 100 flights/day. Just in guessing, if the route had po
58 mariner : That;s long been true. There used to be a small section in the Denver Post dedicated to Frontier news, as the hometown airline, but that's gone and I
59 Frontier14 : Well stated.......... Frontier 14
60 Post contains images point2point : LUV it....... I think that F9 does get some coverage in the DP, but I have to more than less agree in that WN seems to get all of the positive spin,
61 Post contains links mariner : In this DEN-centric world which this thread must - to some extent be - news about Frontier from other stations is sometimes missed - as it is almost
62 GentFromAlaska : F9 also potentially has a plan "B" if STL-SFO becomes to crowded. Move the service 86 miles East to the SMF
63 jerseyguy : Then they'll drop it leaving the route empty again. To quote the great philosopher Samuel Axe "You know (airlines), just a bunch of bitchy little gir
64 Post contains images point2point : Didn't know that one...... but so true......
65 mariner : LOL. I somewhat lean towards Frontier dropping the route now and switching the aircraft to "somewhere else". It's good that they want to give STL a g
66 CIDFlyer : at one time didnt F9 consider building up a hub in STL? what are the chances they could build a focus city in STL and maybe do like they do in DEN, f
67 OzarkD9S : I don't know if they considered it or not but the STL airport brass talked to F9, B6 and FL about setting up shop here after the final AA cuts. I've
68 CIDFlyer : I wondered that too. Although at the time F9 was restructuring, perhaps PHF should look into F9 as another alternative for more flights and ditch the
69 Post contains images MasseyBrown : I think you're describing a small hub. Isn't St. Louis already a focus city? F9 presently plans to fly STL-DEN and nine other points.
70 Frontier14 : It already is if the dot size on the F9 route map is any indication. Most likely we will see some additions in the future in the STL market. There ar
71 mariner : I think the backbone of STL has to be the Apple flying, which is quite extensive. I also think that the Frontier summer schedule may have taken a lot
72 Post contains links sdoyon : I was playing around with Frontier's add/drops at TTN, and I needed to see it visually; though it would be nice to share! I am amazed they've gone fro
73 GentFromAlaska : Where strategy and or tactics enter the equation WN timing is suspicious. There is another thread in circulation on A,Net now which informs readers t
74 MasseyBrown : I checked the Spirit schedule for clues to Frontier's new strategy and was surprised to see how many of Spirit's routes are daily and often twice dai
75 sdoyon : Also, I think this has been brought up before, but the idea of BKG is sort of tempting. WN couldn't make 1x BKG-MDW/DAL/HOU/MCO work, but maybe F9 cou
76 Post contains images mariner : I was actually a tad surprised they didn't add BKG-ATL this summer. mariner
77 lakeeffect : I have three F9 itineraries now booked from CLE. I've never flown them before, but I definitely want to support any expansion they will provide to CLE
78 OzarkD9S : The WN hub-thingy might work westbound, but the eastbound gets into STL at 11:55pm. Westbound will have to rely on O&D or whatever minor feed the
79 GentFromAlaska : 1400 or shortly thereafter was the time one of their SEA-DEN flights departed SEA. If they modified your flight times you might want to check your it
80 Post contains links mariner : Given Delta's interest in SEA that's always possible, if only seasonally, and I suspect it would be more about SEA - and Alaska - than Frontier. I'm
81 F9Animal : WN is not like the big boys when it comes to war on routes. Another words, most airlines look to fight WN, but WN really just does what it does, and w
82 GentFromAlaska : I have a suspicion this is best explained by the regional jet flying Republic did/does for DL. I suspect DL looks at at F9 as nothing more than a nui
83 mariner : Republic was flying extensively for Delta t the time of Frontier's MCI-MSP. It sure didn't help. Delta's ferocious reaction was one of the causes of
84 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Airline or feuds are like fine Brandy they tend to smooth over time.
85 Post contains images point2point : or maybe turn to cheap vinegar like DL/AS? [Edited 2014-03-26 12:16:31]
86 GentFromAlaska : I'm not a 100% convinced it's the vinegar everybody believes it to be, No doubt a tit-for-tat.
87 Post contains links jerseyguy : Some good news for ILG travelers. Doubling of the baggage claim area and more parking spaces in the remote lot (only 50 but every little bit helps). W
88 PITrules : Like in PHL?
89 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : "Frontier, which started service out of the airport last summer, clocked 70,000 arrivals and departures in its first four months alone." 70,000 passe
90 jerseyguy : Well its not necessarily load factors but the price of the tickets. ILG-IAH could be had for $91RT. Plus ILG-IAH is 400 miles and another hour longer
91 GentFromAlaska : Yes; I saw some ILG-RSW fares from $87 and a week later returning for $500 (I wonder what that's about) I checked several days in April and May. Usin
92 mariner : It's fairly standard practise. You can book a cheap fare going but maybe the fare coming back will be more expensive - or not, depending on the booki
93 GentFromAlaska : Or a one-way ticket on another carrier. I have a suspicion the leisure airlines G4, F9, and NK price their fares around happenings in any given city.
94 mariner : In extreme cases perhaps, but generally - why? Average out the two fares and you've likely still got a good overall price. These high fares are not c
95 jerseyguy : Probably some glitches, perhaps an errant routing via DEN on a day they didn't have a nonstop. I went thru the fare calendar for ILG-RSW and I didn't
96 SANFan : I've got another suggestion for the F9 route planners, especially if they're in a particularly "let's poke a stick at WN", as well as a "what else can
97 Post contains images MasseyBrown : For years the knock has been that CLE-SAN yields are too low (thanks to WN one-stop fares) for year-round service. F9, with a lower CASM, may be less
98 GentFromAlaska : Possibly. Using April 22 as the outbound date ILG-RSW the fare populates for $99. The return fare back to ILG four days later; Saturday April 26. pop
99 mariner : To a very real extent, that depends on Cleveland now. All the airline can do is offer. We know that the early bookings are good, we know that Frontie
100 Frontier14 : Glad to learn what gate F9 is using in CLE. I looked at the A terminal map; and it shows AA/US having most of the other gates. Do we know if there is
101 jerseyguy : When you gave me the dates,I did a bit of research, lowest nonstop fares on the 26th RSW-PHL are $500. $265 is available with connections but in plac
102 GentFromAlaska : Yes even WN flight RSW-PHL are for the most part sold out. The one flight remaining on April 26 is pricing for $311. something must be going on in PH
103 jerseyguy : A quick google search says that the Annual meeting of The American Academy of Neurology and a Star Trek Convention are in town. Apparently there are
104 MasseyBrown : Turns out I'm wrong (nothing unusual about that). Both gates adjacent to F9 are common use gates, meaning F9 can use either one as needed. I mistaken
105 mariner : Okay, I'm now fairly confident that there wouldn't be a kick in the nuts retaliation by Delta against frontier because of CLE-ATL/RDU. When such reta
106 GentFromAlaska : See what good whole hog North Carolina smoked pulled pork (a.k.a Carolina Q) gets you. One of my favorites is the Pit in Raleigh.
107 pointer : A bit of good news for the a Frontier pilots. The NMB has determined we are not part of single status carrier. This means that The IMSL(integrated mas
108 BostonMike : That's great! Do you have a reference to the NMB ruling? Can't seem to find one anywhere.
109 MasseyBrown : Has Frontier indicated whether future aircraft deliveries will be for growth or to replace A319's?
110 mariner : A slightly tricky balance of both - and there are some variables - so I think the future fleet is still a work in progress. Everything is now geared
111 MasseyBrown : I guess a fairly short term lease on aircraft coming up on heavy checks might work; fly them until they cycle out and then turn them back for parting
112 mariner : That's way to go, but one of the things of which they are extremely wary is getting into the same pickle that "old" Frontier was in about 2004/2005.
113 Frontier14 : Very good news to hear. The previous union fiasco with the IBT has been a worry to the F9 flight crews. Glad this part of the legal maneuvering is fi
114 Post contains links mariner : Here's a fun article from The Trentonian. It's actually about TTN, but Frontier is the reason - obviously - for it: http://www.trentonian.com/general-
115 Frontier14 : Appears that the study corroborates what we have been hearing from Shurz and other a.netters that the loads going out are consistently doing well. No
116 jerseyguy : People who started using Trenton for its cheap fares will likely return even if fares become more in line with other carriers due to its convenience.
117 Post contains links mariner : That;s surely part of it - as Frontier has said, they have to sell the airport as much as the airline and this applies particularly to the new routes
118 GentFromAlaska : For clarity the writer of the Trentonian article got the TTN IATA code wrong at least in part. It is not TNN. She actually wrote it correct in the fi
119 Post contains images MasseyBrown : I'm inclined to go easy on her. I frequently turn Fort Lauderdale, FL into Fairfield, IA.
120 jerseyguy : The Trenton Titans hockey team has gone bankrupt and ceased operations. I don't know about that, I sent her a email letting her know and she replied
121 Frontier14 : I guess I really did not realize the population numbers were that large near to TTN. The greater DEN area (six counties) doesn't have a lot more than
122 GentFromAlaska : I didn't get that memo.
123 Post contains links jerseyguy : Yep they ceased operations April 23, 2013. I was on a flight with them from MCO to TTN in early February 2013 when they had come back from a game (wh
124 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's a small turn-up for the books which slipped right under my radar. It's an almost throwaway line in this article, buried towards the bottom: htt
125 GentFromAlaska : The airfares were were exceptional last Summer too; my wife flew from DCA-IAH-ANC on the outbound leg and ANC-DEN-DCA on the return leg for $392.00 r
126 rj777 : So, how many planes are painted in the new "FlyFrontier.com" liver?
127 jeepyjeep : I believe there are 4 -- N954FR - Mickey the Moose N220FR - Finn the Tiger Shark N221FR - Bugsy the Tree Frog N223FR - Francesca the Flamingo (I beli
128 Post contains images point2point : Or more likely, current new owner Indigo just isn't some dumb-cluck-airline-biz-dog to be kicked around - like a lot of former other owners of F9....
129 GentFromAlaska : He is a prior military infantry officer. Although I don't know what is battlefield experience is; being shot at or stepping in range of an enemy IED
130 mcg : I've got a F9 trip in about a month. I've booked an economy ticket. Is there any way on the F9 web site to change to a Classic booking? I've looked at
131 MasseyBrown : Looking at seat availability in June for some of the new CLE flights, I noted that the pricier seats seem to sell out first and in a higher proportion
132 jerseyguy : Technically the only way to do it is to "change" your reservation and pay the $75 change fee therefore killing any worth it may have. If you have alo
133 mariner : Bear in mind that those seat maps are not necessarily accurate. They don't always reflect third party (online travel agencies) bookings or Frontier m
134 Post contains images MasseyBrown : I considered your comment and looked at some other routes. If we can take the seat maps as a somewhat reliable indicator, if not a highly accurate sa
135 Post contains links jeepyjeep : Just saw on the Denver Post today that Frontier has appointed Barry L Biffle as President of the airline, reporting to David Siegel. Looks like he's g
136 Post contains images jerseyguy : I'm sorry I'm sure he's qualified and all but that just sounds like a fake name to me
137 GentFromAlaska : I've seen worse. I'm going back some twelve years; there was a kid on my sons baseball team in Juneau whose birth certificated name was "critter" In
138 mariner : Interesting choice - from CEO of VivaColombia to President of Frontier. I sense the hand of Indigo here. It leaves two major positions to fill - COO
139 Post contains links mariner : They're a bit excited at St. Augustine - UST: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/...-augustine-trenton-flight/8168745/ "Trenton to St. Augustine flig
140 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : This "Federalization" must be something something different than the Federal Air Regs (FAR) Part 139 airport certification. UST (St. Augustine) alrea
141 Post contains images Frontier14 : This is good news as you say. Frontier's summer schedule also shows EUG going to 3X which is one more per week than last year . F9 is starting BFL -
142 jerseyguy : I've said that before UST to the Disney Area is only a little over 2 hours. Though, you may want to take the differences in car rentals into consider
143 MasseyBrown : There is a discussion on another board of F9's possible return to domestic flying (DEN, etc.) in PHL in the wake of VX's departure. While it's possibl
144 mariner : I suppose a return to DEN-PHL is possible - I'm just not sure why. When they did fly the route, before Virgin America, it was great in summer but "mi
145 jerseyguy : I agree with that, if there are high fares at PHL due to the withdrawal of VX, I think most people would drive to ILG or possibly TTN (providing they
146 WhatUsaid : Some of the 5X week out of FAT are related to schedule changes throughout the summer. Today, for example, we've 2X to DEN, a morning departure that l
147 mariner : That's true of many markets. CVG was gangbusters from the git-go - except, originally, for the Saturday evening flight. Again, it was a scheduling th
148 Post contains images point2point : As an ULCC and in this model, the O&D pax is the prime attraction to the current F9. As everyone knows, connects dilute yields, and I would think
149 mariner : Except for TTN-(MDW)-DEN, TTN is virtually all O&D. You can probably self-connect on a couple of routes, but it means buying separate tickets. Ye
150 Frontier14 : Question, why not make the connect fare(s) match the respective O&D fares + a few bucks for the incurred transfer costs (ie, SBN-DEN say $99 and
151 Frontier14 : Mariner this is positive news. F9 has certainly made some headway in getting pax to use their website. Interesting dynamics in that the Trenton envir
152 knope2001 : That 75% at TTN is pretty impressive in my opinion. I've been watching seat maps regularly on the upcoming TTN markets...BNA, IND, STL, MKE, MSP...an
153 mariner : There's been a push to it for some time but Indigo is certainly making its presence felt, with more to come, I believe. Breaking with Expedia and Tra
154 slcdeltarumd11 : For a less than daily setup connections are not really realistic even 1x daily is almost impossible when you have no other hubs to reroute people thru
155 jerseyguy : TTN is not condusive to even self-connects as arriving passengers deplane and are led out of the secure area, not enough space to accommodate both ar
156 mariner : Frontier doesn't want to be Allegiant - CLE is not in the Allegiant model, nor, now, TTN. Nor does it want to be Spirit, although it may adopt some S
157 GentFromAlaska : At some point F9 will need to recognize the importance of placing their own merchant gift cards available in grocery stores and alike. I have yet to
158 slcdeltarumd11 : I think you will see DEN shrink in the future in number of seats as they move to less connections, more o&d, and expansion in other cities to a TT
159 mariner : Obviously, as other cities grow the percentage of Frontier's business at DEN will become lower as a percentage of overall business. That doesn't mean
160 Post contains images jerseyguy : The other familiar cries are Southwest is leaving money on the table and I can't believe TV news media are getting an airline related story wrong aga
161 smoot4208 : Depends on what your definition of 'a lot' is. I don't think SUX is generating a lot of advanced bookings so far. Based on fares from DEN to the 4 ne
162 mariner : My definition of "a lot" is that (I guess) "a lot" of the pax who are booking may well be making onward connections at DEN. I thought SUX was booking
163 smoot4208 : Per Frontier.com, it appears as if the Classic Fare is no longer an option to book. It states that just Economy and Classic Plus are the options now.
164 jeepyjeep : I'm curious to know what will happen with existing Classic tickets that were already booked. I imagine they would honor the terms of those tickets? I
165 slcdeltarumd11 : Sure it does they think there is o&d potential on those routes or they need to utilize those planes for a while until they develop more point to
166 Post contains images mariner : The fleet is pretty much stretched close to the max. They had planned to put a fourth aircraft at TTN this summer, but had to scratch to find aircraf
167 MasseyBrown : I appreciate everybody's varying views on the value of connex to F9. It would seem the old model of scheduling one-stop flights to carry sizable numbe
168 slcdeltarumd11 : Much like TTN-MDW-DEN. I think that could be the future, much safer.
169 MasseyBrown : Except that MDW-DEN is probably fully justified on its own O&D. Under older airline models, neither segment (A-B and B-C) would individually be b
170 GentFromAlaska : Of the 200 plus comments on the F9 Facebook page about today's change the majority are against the new carry-on bag fee; as am I. Let's hope managemen
171 mariner : Um - I think that might be the point. mariner
172 Frontier14 : If (big IF) F9 will price their point to point base fare(s) low enough that the carry-on charge do not make the total fare out of line with the compe
173 MasseyBrown : Urban dictionary defines biffle as a vocalization of BFFL, the texting acronym for 'best friend for life'. Anybody notice the new route map on flyfro
174 jerseyguy : To me and your welcome to your opinion, if the total fare (including fees) is cheaper, I don't care what fees they add on to my bill. Some itinerarie
175 Post contains links mariner : What's mostly missing from the debate is that Frontier has lowered base line fares. From the horse's mouth: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/04/2...-f
176 GentFromAlaska : I haven't seen the lower fares F9 is touting today. With that said I don't price a lot of DEN fares which is where I suspect the lower fares are. I s
177 Post contains images jerseyguy : 99.9% of airlines have a fare games department (aka yield management). You need to check again, because the fare games department has BNA-TTN in June
178 knope2001 : I do have to concur with Jerseyguy on at least some fares. I've been especially watching TTN upcoming flights to IND, BNA, MKE, MSP, STL and on Sunday
179 GentFromAlaska : I stand corrected. The BNA-TTN fares did indeed edge down some; about $11.00 on the outbound leg and about $20 on the return leg using July 4 and Jul
180 GentFromAlaska : In another thread it appears B6 just gave their COO his walking papers. If F9 wanted the B6 playbook it may be the way to go.
181 Frontier14 : Frontier's new ala carte structure did make the front page news on the Denver Post this morning. The local news report included a few slams at F9, but
182 Post contains links and images mariner : It;s been an interesting day all round. Facebook, of course, went nuclear, but Facebook always does. A.net has been moderately adult about it all. So
183 Post contains images point2point : Or now that they're in Colorado, maybe smoked it.......
184 uncgso : a good day in GSO ... F9 resumes GSO-DEN today ... looking at the online seat map there are only 7 seats open ... here is hoping that F9 recognizes th
185 GentFromAlaska : Indeed it was. The new carry-on bag fee made the headline ticker of Fox Business News last night. From my perch I suspect it may be the loyalist who
186 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : F9 new carry-on policy was just aired in a live on-air one minute snippet on the NBC Today show. They anchors including Matt Lauer appeared to be gene
187 N766UA : It's a real shame that F9 will now universally charge for carry-ons (and that it's more expensive than checked bags!) I recently priced CLE-MCO this f
188 N766UA : Meanwhile, jetBlue is free checked bag, free carry on, free seat assignment, free TV/satellite radio, free drinks/snacks, and more legroom than anyone
189 MasseyBrown : I wonder if the carry-on bag fee will simply shift the type of carry-on from roller suitcases to frameless backpacks that will fit under the seat. We
190 jeepyjeep : I live in DEN and never bother with JetBlue because they don't fly west from DEN! Re: the carry-on fees, I say bring it on! I think what everyone is
191 N766UA : So you don't have access to jetBlue (except to Boston), so it doesn't pertain to you. And the "bundled" fares I priced were grossly uncompetitive; 10
192 FRNT787 : JetBlue is a hybrid LCC, fitting between the ULCC model, the traditional LCC model, and the full service carriers. JetBlue and Frontier are now compe
193 GentFromAlaska : I try really hard to understand, evaluate and digress for a day when I read or hear something which upsets me. Especially what I read in third party m
194 Post contains links mariner : Meanwhile: Spirt Reports Higher Q1 Profit. (by santi319 Apr 29 2014 in Civil Aviation) I hope that once the dust settles the same will be true for Fr
195 lakeeffect : There is actually a personal item "sizer bin" at the jet bridge. The F9 gate agents actually spot check and make people make sure it fits into the sl
196 jeepyjeep : I'm not sure that this is correct. I haven't been able to find any info on this; I don't think Frontier is charging a fee to check in for the flight.
197 Post contains links mariner : That was almost lost in the uproar about unbundling - LOL. ILG-ATL/DTW started today, too, and the video has some nice, but rainy, aircraft porn: htt
198 GentFromAlaska : Yes I received a A.net IM explaining what should be occurring from a dicky bird of sorts who I knew from my government days. Apparently the check-in
199 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : And then there is this http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...plained-about_carrier_in_2013.html Skewed I don't know. Some of the responses to the ar
200 mariner : People always see things from a local perspective. The article says the complaints spiked at about the same time they started flying out of TTN but t
201 GentFromAlaska : The F9 Discount Den (Denver pun noted) I keep reading about; is this a re-branding of the Early Returns frequent flyer program? I signed up for that i
202 jerseyguy : No, its just that your account is linked to your FF account, it will be treated like an elite status is but in this case it will be able to be purcha
203 GentFromAlaska : Perhaps I should post this in the F9 ULCC thread. For the sake of thoroughness is there a consensus what this ala carte version of F9 should be called
204 Frontier14 : Gent perhaps it should be version 2014. Most likely there will more iterations of ala carte to come. The entire industry is evolving to survive. Fron
205 GentFromAlaska : I attempted to register for F9 "Discount Den". My Early Returns account which I signed up for in 2005 appears to have been purged. I offer this for t
206 yellowtail : Before the new owners takeover, there were a few DEN-International routes that were begin considered. Then they were put on hold "pending a business p
207 smoot4208 : I doubt you'll ever see DEN-GUA. While DEN-GCM/BZE could prob work Saturday only, Apple Vacations isn't currently offering flights in those markets,
208 yellowtail : DEN GCM is a much different market than DEN MBJ. GCM is a diver market and DEN / COS has one of the highest concentration of divers in the USA.
209 Post contains links airlinewatcher1 : Just saw this in the Denver Post today...Glad to see maintenance coming back to Denver at the old Continental hanger! Maybe the Continental signage wi
210 AA767400 : This is just crazy. How can a small bland carrier like F9, gather so much interest? We're on thread 45! What am I missing? I guess there's a good amou
211 Post contains images jerseyguy : No. its A.net, Normal is a city in Illinois that shares an airport with Bloomington. [Edited 2014-05-03 20:52:58]
212 Post contains links gators312 : Article and Video from St. Augustine Record on F9's inaugural flight TTN to SGJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a9aTQnN_Fio
213 Post contains images whereitswarm : Hey AA767400, 'Totally Disinterested Guy' called and asked that you stop impersonating him. He said that he would never comment in a thread about an
214 MasseyBrown : Small airlines are always more interesting than the monsters. They are nimble, quick to act and react, more innovative, and generally scrappy.
215 GentFromAlaska : It looks like UST got the clouds to participate in a natural water salute in addition to what fire-rescue provided. Thanks for posting.
216 MasseyBrown : Among the mysteries of the universe ... On 6/16 a plane leaves TTN at 0700 and arrives in CLE at 0818. The same plane leaves CLE at 0858 and arrives D
217 smoot4208 : I believe Frontier extends heir schedule tonight. Looks as if ILG-DTW will end on 9/21. I didn't see any other route drops that weren't already suppos
218 jerseyguy : Yep, ILG-DTW discontinued starting 9/21 permantly appears that poor bookings are the reason, can get $39 ow fares for 90% of the schedule. $111 each w
219 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Interesting that TTN-DTW is doing well to the point F9 added extra frequency but ILG-DTW is not with the greater Philly area being a larger metropoli
220 MasseyBrown : F9 is apparently giving up a LGA departure in November, reducing DEN-LGA to a single flight. This reduction seems counter to what Siegal said in the D
221 jerseyguy : TTN pulls from the Northern PHL catchment,Southern EWR and Southern ABE catchment Theres a part of South Jersey that is equal to both. ILG pulls Sout
222 mariner : You may be reading too much into it - Frontier always cuts back DEN-LGA in winter. DEN to anywhere in the northeast is problematic in winter, however
223 Post contains links and images jerseyguy : I'm not the kind of a.neter that usually complains about the story was about a E190 and they showed a 747. But I was on youtube watching an F9 video a
224 lakeeffect : Looks like F9 is adding CVG-IAD this fall at 4x weekly. Any other additions to be announced today?
225 jeepyjeep : I noticed that MDT-MDW and TYS-MDW are both discontinued after Sept 29. I wonder if those routes weren't booking well, or if Frontier simply needed th
226 MasseyBrown : The details of the IAD news are being discussed in another thread, no need to repeat it all here. Frontier does seem to like the focus city concept. T
227 mcg : It was horrific when that version of Frontier started charging for coffee; or they were ahead of the times.
228 Post contains links KarlB737 : This sounds like action Allegiant would do: Courtesy: MLive Frontier Airlines Cancels Detroit-To-Delaware Flight After Two Weeks http://www.mlive.com/
229 jerseyguy : Just to be clear the flight continues thru September 21st. It appears that the market has poor loads as you can get a $39 fare about 90% of the time.
230 Pointer : Frontier is finally stepping up to the plate and not being afraid of the competition! This will not be a pilot base. Focus city! Frontier Airlines to
231 slcdeltarumd11 : Number of seats? I promise you denver summer 2015 is gonna be way way lower than denver summer 2010 in number of seats. Frontier use to look so crowd
232 Post contains images point2point : Maybe....... and they didn't include DEN on the IAD schedule? Oh well, who need to compete with both UA (major hub-to-hub here) and WN, with its coup
233 mariner : They didn't include CLE on the IAD schedule, either, not TTN nor ILG. Perhaps there is a pattern here? I assume that CLE-IAD, if it happens, will be
234 Post contains images point2point : After thinking some about this IAD expansion..... haven't a lot of other LCCs and even ULCCs tried it out at IAD..... and then somehow just weren't ab
235 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Those flights are seasonal. I wonder what Indigo is planning for the Chicago market. DEN-MDW is going down to 2x daily for the winter it usually stay
236 Post contains links and images mariner : I'm sure there must be some. Same as at TTN where several airlines tried and failed. The difference may be - may - that the others used IAD as a surr
237 jeepyjeep : Are you sure? Reason why I ask is because I use (seasonal) DEN-MDT quite frequently and the message displayed on the website when the season ends mak
238 capejet : I am so grateful to the Frontier pilots and other employees for taking big pay cuts and benefits cuts so that I can get $15 fares.
239 Post contains links and images Mexicana757 : Here is the press release announcing MDW-TYS/MDT as seasonal routes. http://news.flyfrontier.com/press-re...-airlines-announces-six-new-routes Who kn
240 ChiSky16 : Will ILG also be discontinued then?
241 mariner : Not to my knowledge. It's still in the system for the duration of the schedule extension. mariner
242 Mexicana757 : Woops forgot to add ILG to the list. They will still continue operating 3x weekly. Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays MDW will see four F9 flights.
243 MasseyBrown : The budget-minded would probably drive instead of fly. Door-to-door, Cleveland-Washington is about 4 hours via IAD and six hours by car. (That said,
244 N766UA : CLE-DFW CLE-LAS Just added, if nobody mentioned it yet.
245 Post contains links and images mariner : And the seasonal CLE-PHX returns in November. Here's an article form the Plain Dealer about it all: http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...nes_adds_n
246 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I think what you may be seeing is an early jump (advanced planning) by F9 (perhaps for terminal and gate space) built around the anticipated completi
247 MSYtristar : I'm very surprised we haven't seen the return of TTN-MSY or something like IAD-MSY...yet.
248 Post contains images jerseyguy : Good point, hopefully the rail service will be done right with enough express service so it doesn't take 45-60 minutes to get downtown. I also hope t
249 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : F9 planned IAD expansion made the USAToday travel headlines. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/ F9 is branding IAD as a focus city.
250 Frontier14 : The addition of DFW certainly fits with the CLE focus city in my view. Frontier has been successful in its' DFW-DEN service over the years. Frontier
251 Post contains images MasseyBrown : Based on their scheduling over the past six-months, it's fair to say F9 fully recognizes the inefficiency of a one-flight, one destination stations.
252 Frontier14 : Denver news media is reporting the City of Denver has approved a five year $12.4 million dollar lease contract with Frontier Airlines to take over the
253 lakeeffect : Interesting that F9 is already throwing out the "hub" term for Dulles. Today I received my monthly mileage statement from Frontier. In the email is a
254 Post contains images mariner : I think that people in the non-A.net world are a wee bit less pedantic about the use of the word hub, and "hub" may be more accessible to the general
255 CIDFlyer : I'm intrigued with their expansion from IAD. F9 seems to be doing alot of thinking out of the box lately and good for them, its nice to see them diver
256 jerseyguy : Yep, a.net is a bit of stickler when it comes to correct terms for things. Most people refer to the place where planes park to connect to the jetway
257 Post contains links mariner : Not in the short term. Frontier addressed the connections issue at IAD: http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...sion-at-washington-dulles/9030613/ "Fr
258 slcdeltarumd11 : Yup i think the majority of people on here said LGA-DEN couldn't be making money, those of us that fly or look at this market often. Last minute fare
259 Post contains images mariner : There's some weird stuff happening here, boys and girls - weird as in funny weird. I wasn't expecting any retaliation by United for Frontier's build-u
260 GentFromAlaska : Even though Republic is no longer in F9 picture I believe any past feud DL had with F9 was tamed by the flying Republic did for DL. Lately DL has had
261 WhatUsaid : Did anyone see the news coverage of F9's first flights into BFL? I don't know if there was any. Flights look to be very light and the fare has just no
262 Post contains images airlinewatcher1 : I have an interview with Frontier tomorrow for a reservations agent position. So I could soon become an "airline employee" instead of an "airline watc
263 Post contains links mariner : Republic was flying for Delta when Frontier started MCI-MSP and it sure didn't help. Delta went nuclear and immediately started 5 Frontier routes out
264 Post contains images point2point : And maybe that Indigo has more $$$$$ and is willing to spend it on F9, unlike Republic that just wanted to take as much $$$$$ as it could from F9? Co
265 mariner : Maybe. I do agree that other airlines may be a tad more wary now that Frontier has a well-heeled owner. But Delta seems to have a different attitude
266 Frontier14 : Interesting to note in today's SW schedule extension that STL-SFO ends in Aug. It would appear that SW doesn't see long year round profitability in t
267 Post contains links and images mariner : Oh, mate, it's tough to know. Frontier is suddenly moving a few pieces around the board, making new dynamics, but itis possible to read too much into
268 Post contains images point2point : Thanks..... after all of these years in my life, there is still another phrase to learn...... and so I learned one here today...... I wouldn't really
269 Post contains images mariner : Well, Occam's Razor again, If Southwests IAD-LAS is a warning shot at Frontier, what are we to make of Southwest's IAD-MDW, which reduces from 6 x da
270 Post contains images Frontier14 : Do you think it can be "Luv"? Frontier 14
271 MasseyBrown : Sunwings has applied to the DoT for permission to conduct 26 CVG-CUN and 9 CVG-PUJ charters during the 2015 winter/spring season. I don't know if this
272 GentFromAlaska : As I recall that was about a eighteen months into the Republic and F9 relationship. At that time DL was not building up SEA and they were not in a ti
273 Post contains links mariner : Here's a quite long and fairly well informed CAPA article on Frontier, comparing it to Spirit: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-offering-than-r
274 n7371f : Funny, right? Then again Southwest is so used to the DOT bending over and giving every route authority to WN because they were a low-fare airline a d
275 GentFromAlaska : I agree I've watched the WN price creep trend upward to a price point matching their competition much of the time. WN is not the low fair darling it
276 Post contains links MasseyBrown : Ten years ago, when WN was a commodity hedge fund, that also operated a money-losing airline. Now it's actually making money from flying, which is qu
277 rampart : Not to mention the direct path of a storm less than a few miles across. It's a matter of considerable discussion among meteorologists right now: why
278 GentFromAlaska : You may want to recheck your timeline. My WN shares have been profitable for as long as I've been a stock holder. Although the actual buy-in point ma
279 MasseyBrown : I'm sure you've made money on the shares, and the company has long been profitable overall; but if you subtract the profits from the fuel hedges, the
280 n7371f : Um Southwest has the longest profitability streak in the industry and it goes way back before ten years ago.
281 MasseyBrown : Flight Aware (normally a very accurate listing) says that Frontier is still operating flights under Lynx flight numbers and call sign 'Shasta'. Why wo
282 Post contains images jerseyguy : Denver post Frontier bashing again. Below the picture in the hail damaged jets return to service story they had to point out that Frontier started to
283 rampart : Pathetic for what passes as the Mountain West's leading newspaper. Taking pot shots like the New York Post.
284 F9Animal : Good luck! I would suggest looking at working for another airline though. I have plenty of friends who were lucky enough not to have their jobs outso
285 mariner : Hopefully, the many (hundreds?) pilots and f/a's who have recently been hired at Frontier have a more positive attitude towards being employed, rathe
286 Post contains links mariner : THE FLEET: Three's an interesting article in Forbes about the up-sizing at both the new American Airlines and at JetBlue from the A320 to the A321: ht
287 Post contains images jerseyguy : I used to work at a hospital as a Pharmacy Technician (filling the med dispensers, making the easier IVs, etc), the hospital I worked for wasn't doin
288 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : JNU (Juneau, Alaska) is handed the reins as the second largest city in Alaska overtaking FAI by population. http://www.alaskadispatch.com/articl...t-c
289 N766UA : I would disagree that flightaware is "very accurate." It's a good place to track 1 flight at a time or to get a rough idea of what's out there, but i
290 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy the OAG thread. DL ATL-PHF NOV 4>6 DEC 4>6 JAN 4>6 FEB 4>6 In the turf war arena DL has responded to PEX 6 X weekly PHF-ATL servi
291 Post contains links mariner : So Frontier now has a new Chief Operating Officer: http://www.globenewswire.com/news-re...an-as-Chief-Operating-Officer.html "Frontier Airlines Appoin
292 Buddys747 : Tomorrow will be a busier than normal day for F9 at MDT. There will be 2 DEN departures as they transition from a RON to a midday turn , the new MDW s
293 smoot4208 : Based on fares available for Jun-Aug, it would appear that advance bookings on MDW-MDT/TYS worse than any of the new summer routes. Both routes say d
294 Post contains links mariner : Big day at CLE, too, with the expansion happening there, tomorrow, Friday. But nowhere has made as much razzamatazz as SUX - every local news outlet
295 Post contains links EK413 : Hi All, Due to length of this discussion thread we have kicked off Part 46. New Frontier Part 46 (by EK413 Jun 13 2014 in Civil Aviation) Enjoy the jo
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