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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 27  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 65495 times:
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The previous thread became quite long and was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion on this topic.

Part 26 can be found here:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 26 (by SA7700 Jan 31 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 65462 times:

Well the weather got friendly awhile ago but it looks like the airplane wasn't (KEN ZA655 (157)) which appears to be the rule not the exception these days, unfortunately.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 65167 times:

What are the totals for March so far?


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 65141 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 122 Aircraft to 17 Airlines & 3 VIPs

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO FEBRUARY
NH-24; JL-13; AI-12; QR-9; UA–9; CZ-8; HU-6; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; BY-4; BA-4; AM-3; DY-3; JQ-3; BI-2; VIP-2; TB-1

FEBRUARY & MARCH DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 149 – HZ-MF7 – 2/4/2014 – VIP #3 - Saudi Ministry of Finance (BBJ)
L/N 147 - JA827A – 2/5/2014 - NH #25
L/N 148 - JA825A – 2/5/2014 - NH #26
L/N 140 - JA828A – 2/21/2014 - NH #27

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – ZA230 - AI #13
L/N 152 – JA831J – ZA188 - JL #14
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 (Charleston)
L/N 153 – EI-LND – ZA578 - DY #4 (ILFC)
L/N 151 - B-2738 – ZA436 - HU #7
L/N 138 - A7-BCI – ZA470 - QR #11 (Charleston)
L/N 155 – N966AM – ZA564 - AM #4 (ILFC)
L/N 156 – V8-DLC – ZA447 – BI #3
L/N 159 – JA835J – ZA189 - JL #15
L/N 145 - N26910 – ZA294 - UA #10 (Charleston)
L/N 144 - A7-BCJ – ZA471 - QR #12 (Charleston)
L/N 150 - A7-BCM – ZA472 - QR #13 (Charleston)
L/N 157 – 5Y-KZA – ZA655 – KQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 161 - SP-LRF – ZA275 – LO #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 160 – C-GHPQ – ZA610 – AC #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 28 - VT-ANC – ZA232 - AI #14 Awaiting first flight
L/N 162 – VH-VKE – ZA218 - JQ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 163 – N967AM – ZA565 - AM #5 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 165 – EI-LNE – ZA651 - DY #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 166 – V8-DLD – ZA448 – BI #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 154 - B-2740 – ZA388 - CZ #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 158 - VT-ANP – ZA244 - AI #15 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021 & 197)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 64737 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
What are the totals for March so far?

Zip.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 64679 times:

The first B787-8 for Kenya Airways 5Y-KZA is ready  http://imageshack.com/a/img706/6323/6nu0.png
http://paineairport.com/kpae10178.htm

I love those red engine cowlings 

EK413



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64269 times:

Boeing moved another 787 out of 40-24 last night. UA's first 787-9 is loading today.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64158 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
I love those red engine cowlings.  

I wonder if they're taking a fuel-burn hit from (a presumed) lack of laminar flow by not going with the "stock" colors.


User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 63956 times:
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I saw ZA249 returning from somewhere on Saturday to the flight line in CHS, painted in the UA livery. Couldn't find it this far in the future on Flight Aware, though


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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 63849 times:

When should AC's LN160 have its first flight?

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63323 times:

Both January and February were slow months for deliveries. Why is this?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63244 times:
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Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
Both January and February were slow months for deliveries. Why is this?

Off the top of my head...

Poor weather in Everett may have affected B and C flights.

QR is not pleased with the state of the birds they're getting from CHS so they seem to be requiring more "clean up" work before delivery.

I believe AI may still be working on funding some of their deliveries.

Major assemblies arriving from CHS need more travel work, which slows completion rates.

Coming off the holiday shutdown at the factory.

New customers (like AC and KQ) are getting their first airframe, so that probably takes a bit longer to prepare.

Boeing has had to use long-distance paint hangars for some planes, so that adds to the cycle time.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63159 times:

Does anyone know the - 9 rate of production and are they all coming from Everett or are some coming from CHS?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 13, posted (5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63123 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the - 9 rate of production and are they all coming from Everett or are some coming from CHS?

All -9s are coming from Everett for the moment.


User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 62867 times:

Im curious on average how long does it take for a 787 to be built?

User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 62263 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Off the top of my head...

There was also a bit of a slow down when the original three -9's rolled down the line.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 62308 times:

Quoting piedmont727 (Reply 14):
Im curious on average how long does it take for a 787 to be built?

Roughly between 34 and 40 days in Everett.

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 62184 times:

As of today, Boeing completed 45% of the 787-9 flight test campaign.

http://airinsight.com/2014/03/04/flight-test-program-update/



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 62113 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
As of today, Boeing completed 45% of the 787-9 flight test campaign.

1,500 flight hours planned. I don't think we knew that up to now. Good to know.

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5410 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 61308 times:

ZB002 is out over the Pacific doing 16 hours' worth of circles at varying altitude.      

Seems like for a max endurance flight you'd at least want to fly somewhere fun!   


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5410 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 61174 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
16 hours' worth of circles

...or, as it turned out, 5 hours' worth of circles. Not quite as boring.


User currently offlinerocker From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 61157 times:
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Anyone know when AC is getting their first 787, and, when tickets might be available for early domestic runs?

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 60302 times:

Looks like ZA564 is up for a C-1 I think:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 60177 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 22):
Looks like ZA564 is up for a C-1 I think:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564

That would be nice, but I think because of the altitude (FL350) and the routing (a little long for a C-1 that's not ANA, JAL, or QTR), it's probably an engineering flight of some sort.


User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 59948 times:
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25 travelhound : Using All Things 787 data, from the 3rd Of February to the 3rd of March we have 8 frames being loaded into the FAL and 7 frames leaving the FAL. I'd s
26 tortugamon : NYC777's post in his blog should give insight into the rate of production. tortugamon
27 Post contains links KarelXWB : First NZ 787-9 (LN169) was pushed out of the final assembly line. http://paineairport.com/kpae10186.htm The aircraft is now inside the EMC.[Edited 201
28 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA189 on a B-2/Engineering flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE189
29 dynamicsguy : We don't know when the spreadsheet was last updated, so I'm not sure you can say that. From 29 Jan to 25 Feb 10 frames were loaded. Unless something
30 NYC777 : I update these spreadsheets as the information comes in. That's on a daily basis.
31 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA655 will be on its B-2 tonight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE655
32 dynamicsguy : How frequently does the loading date information come in? And does it come in consistently between the two sites? I see that there are now 2 more fra
33 tortugamon : It looks like it is in pretty bad shape. The wing body fairings aren't installed and the leading edge looks like it still needs work. tortugamon
34 KarelXWB : I noticed the same, I guess it will spend quite some time in the EMC.
35 NYC777 : I don't get the info at regular intervals. I post it as I get it. The load dates are accurate though. They're now starting to fall into somewhat of a
36 kanban : Since we don't know why the faring(s) is missing or anything else about the post roll out work, I would say qualifying it as 'in bad shape' is a stre
37 KarelXWB : I don't think that's the case. The mid-body section arrived incompletely from CHS and will be worked on in the EMC. The Seattle Times posted an artic
38 KarelXWB : The WSJ reports that Boeing will have to inspect 42 787 jets for wing cracks (LN151-193). Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has changed its manufacturing pr
39 tortugamon : Well you may be on to something there. This is not good news: google "Boeing to Inspect Wings of Undelivered Dreamliners for Cracks" for article tort
40 seabosdca : Overtightened fastener coupled with a missing filler. Oops. No wonder deliveries have suddenly ground to a halt right at LN 150.
41 dynamicsguy : Sounds like they're missing shims ("fillers") between the skins and the shear ties. The fastener would continue to be tightened until the gap closed,
42 tortugamon : Sounds like it is a relatively easy aluminum component fix and not a cfrp issue which I would assume is more complicated. tortugamon
43 dynamicsguy : It's hard to decide who is a less reliable source - a guy on Twitter who says it's aluminium or a journalist who says it's composite. But if it is ju
44 Stitch : Boeing 787 shear ties are made of aluminium. Boeing had an issue with them on Sections 47 and 48 (aft fuselage) back in 2010 where thermal fatigue loa
45 Post contains links tortugamon : In this case it is a guy on twitter and a journalist so you can take it or leave it. Personally, I think Gleen Farley is relatively reliable. http://
46 7673mech : I was wondering when this would be made public. I heard about it on my last trip to PAE ( a couple of weeks ago) but couldn't say anything because my
47 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like QTR ZA472 (150) is flying to PAE this afternoon from paint in PDX. It's the first one with the wing issue which I guess they want to fix at
48 n471wn : I thought the wing issues started with 151......
49 PHX787 : So all the news outlets are saying that deliveries are delayed -.- I can't really have decent access to airliners on my phone and I'm traveling around
50 Stitch : 42 frames - LN151-LN193.
51 7BOEING7 : Oops, well that's a mystery then! Any ideas? Local (Seattle) media (KING 5 -Greg Farley) says it's an aluminum not composite issue (Reply 42) and sho
52 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Qatar ZA472 / LN150 in full livery. A7-BCM by sabian404, on Flickr
53 LN-KGL : Finally we got an answer on why deliveries didn't happen. My concern was the fourth Norwegian (l/n 153) that was supposed to be in service on the last
54 SonomaFlyer : When Boeing inspects and fixes if needed any issues with the wings, any other mfr issues that cropped up and any other customer oriented tasks. Then
55 Post contains images Stitch : Considering the issue was with the engine and not the airframe, I expect GE is the one cranking up the press machine.
56 NYC777 : I think the wing issues begin in LN 151 not 150.
57 7BOEING7 : Already been chastised for that (Reply 48 & 50) -- any ideas on why it's there?
58 Stitch : Rumors imply QR is not pleased with the quality of work at CHS so maybe the plane is getting a once-over at PAE before QR accepts it?
59 7BOEING7 : I think you can drop the word "rumors". Maybe QTR is insisting on delivery at PAE because they are more experienced dealing with the issues QTR has.
60 NYC777 : My only guess is that they're running out of room at CHS. Weird though, The send LN 25 to CHS and LN 150 to PAE. Why the switch? LN 25 is at the Char
61 7BOEING7 : Finally -- I wonder where the QTR acceptance people are? Next time it flies many questions will be answered.
62 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air India LN28 was moved to the flightline. http://paineairport.com/kpae10203.htm If that's true, why not flying ZA469, ZA470 and ZA471 to PAE as well
63 Post contains links KarelXWB : Flightplan for LN25 has been filled. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20140310/1400Z/KCHS/VIDP
64 Post contains links KarelXWB : LOT ZA275 scheduled for a B1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20140310/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
65 seabosdca : Looks like AI got their financing. I'm surprised they didn't issue a press release. Perhaps talking about 787 deliveries would have been seen as too
66 United787 : Will this aircraft be part of the 789 flight testing program or is purely a production aircraft?
67 AirIndia111 : They had the financing in place for quite a while. They were waiting so that they could directly take the plane for static display at the India Aviat
68 Post contains links and images seabosdca : They can't have had the financing tied up for all that long, as they only issued the RFP for it on January 20 of this year, with responses due Februa
69 tortugamon : I believe its solely for production. They have the four test aircraft already produced including one that is the production example (ZB197). I know I
70 seabosdca : I'm more impressed by JAL routinely flying LN20 and LN21 NRT-BOS (close to 6000 nm) with a full passenger load plus cargo. That should put to rest th
71 KarelXWB : Of course they can serve such a route. The 787-8 has a design range of 8,000nm, if we assume a 5,00nm loss due to overweight, that would leave 7,500n
72 Stitch : LN20 and LN21 are probably around 4000kg over their design weight, however I expect their DOW is pretty low considering how low-density their configu
73 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing delays decision on 787-10 production site: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...outhcarolina-idUSBREA291LA20140310
74 Stitch : I interpret that as "we were going to build them in CHS, but not that CHS is having so many issues, we may have to start production in PAE as with th
75 KarelXWB : You would expect Boeing to resolve the CHS issues by 2018, or is it just de-risking the -10 program?
76 Post contains images seabosdca : I understand that the -10 fits more easily in the positions of the CHS assembly line than the PAE ones. But if they can't smooth CHS production out w
77 KarelXWB : Slant positions are a possibility.
78 kanban : With all the effort they've put into developing a moving line, you will not see a slat position line.. basically you lose a 8-12 hours direct and ano
79 Stitch : Wouldn't that be pretty expensive, considering all the 747-8 tooling at PAE? Could they maybe adjust the surge line so that it could do three 787-10
80 BravoEchoNov : They will build the 787-10 in Charleston. They WILL NOT freaking move the 747-8 line just to make room. This would cost an EXTREME amount of money. Wi
81 tortugamon : I view it as "we are going to build them in CHS but want to make sure that CHS shows they can work through issues and get to three per month first. W
82 Post contains links dan23 : VH-VKE (ZA218/LN162) is out of the paint hangar and on the flightline (in Jetstar colours): http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13072323083/in/photostr
83 kanban : the comment was more to stimulate a conversation.. however, most of the 747 tooling is assembly jigs with components coming by rail as panels from el
84 KarelXWB : Then why has the 787 surge line two slant positions? I was suggesting a similar approach like the surge line.
85 kanban : As I understand the "surge line" it is temporary and supplemental.. if it were a full up production line there would be no slant positions as the mov
86 PHX787 : Got some info on the wing issues, please don't ask from where and all I can say is your best bet is to check out the Japan times article on the wing i
87 Post contains links tortugamon : Great picture of the first two 787-9s. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/13095054865/in/photostream/ tortugamon
88 Post contains links Jvaljean : There is this photo of those aircraft as well: http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-...87_N789EX_boeing_196052_large.html
89 Post contains images PHX787 : Thanks for that, and happy joining anniversary
90 7673mech : Because when a plane is painted it is no where near ready for delivery. All the remaining parts will have been left behind.[Edited 2014-03-13 00:03:5
91 KarelXWB : I'm aware of that, it doesn't explain ZA472 though. That would apply for ZA472 as well.
92 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : First 787 for Arke (LN182) in final assembly. http://twitter.com/Arke/
93 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. Minor changes to the format since we now have
94 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The following nice pictures were taken today: The 787 delivery stalls by Powercube, on Flickr The 787 Long Term Storage Area by Powercube, on Flickr
95 tortugamon : The 789s have been taking a lot of short flights in the last week. I count about 2 dozen flights that are less than 1 hour and only two flights above
96 milestones787 : Do we have an idea when the first of the 9 early build -8s will be pulled into the EMC from runway 11-29 for change incorporation?
97 TK773ER : With the current flight line do we think March deliveries will hit the big 10 ?
98 seabosdca : I expect it'll be awhile. 1) There are no customers. 2) EMC resources are being used heavily right now to finish open items on newly built frames. 3)
99 someone83 : Don't think so as the wing issues seems to be causing a lot more than just "a couple weeks" delay
100 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN182 and LN191 should deliver in May and June respectively. http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1368-tui-sells-and-leases-787s
101 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like ANA ZA188 (152) is up on a FCF prior to customer flight after fixing wing issue: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE188
102 Post contains links NYC777 : Look like LN 129 (in my opinion) has been delivered yesterday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3252
103 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like ZA 578 will be doing a C-1 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE578
104 7BOEING7 : Hopefully, but I'm guessing this flight is an FCF prior to C-1 like ZA188 which flew twice yesterday, neither a C-1.
105 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB197 was moved to the fuel dock. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/13183118933/
106 Post contains links tortugamon : AA has their 787 simulator installed: http://twitter.com/Flybyshoutings/status/435852949512679425/photo/1 tortugamon
107 hkcanadaexpat : Next up... Deliveries: > A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) (@ Charleston) > JA-831J (Japan Airlines #14) > N966AM (Aeromexico #4/ILFC #9) > A7-BC
108 par13del : How would it be de-risking by moving production to a union shop, is that not the risk that created CHS and all the out-source vendors?
109 PHX787 : This be the first 9 for ANA?
110 Stitch : PAE is now "labor safe" until 2024 and they have the experience to properly handle the program.
111 Post contains links KarelXWB : JAL ZA188 (JA831J) was moved to the delivery center. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/445828764417544193
112 United787 : This is the first plane >L/N 150 with the wing fix. (L/N 152)..hopefully we will see a plethora of deliveries in the next two weeks!
113 NYC777 : We don't know if it needed fixing. Remember in Jon''s article it stated that LN 151 to LN 193 were to be inspected for the cracks. Some mis-interpret
114 paparrucho : Sorry if this have been aswered. Does some one knows how serious are these cracks and how dificult is their repair? tks.
115 NYC777 : There is another Qatar 787 at the Charleston Delivery Center. Looks like Boeing is trying to pad the delivery books before quarter end!
116 kanban : the first sentence is a fact, the second needless conjecture. We get enough of the latter without opening the door and waving a flag.
117 Stitch : QR might be looking at a multi-plane delivery or, knowing they are very particular about the pre-delivery inspection, might be holding off on taking t
118 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's a recent shot of LN4 at Boeing Field, still equipped with engines. N7874 by Powercube, on Flickr
119 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like NOR ZA578 (153) knocked off its C-1 today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE578
120 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Hard to believe all those less than an hour flights added up to a JAL customer flight -- they must be in a real hurry for the airplane. http://flight
121 Stitch : On the flip side, if anyone knows what to look for on a 787 C flight, it would be NH and JL based on experience and fleet size.
122 PHX787 : From my experience with Japanese companies, once they're comfortable with a method, they do not like to mess around. So with NH, they are pretty much
123 tortugamon : If I am not mistaken NH has the most thorough inspection and longest C flight than any other customer. tortugamon
124 Post contains links BravoEchoNov : JAL ZA188 (JA831J) has now left Everett for Tokyo Haneda. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8101 This is the 3rd 787 this month to be delivered. (
125 hkcanadaexpat : Based purely on current EIS schedule, we should see at least 5 more deliveries this month: > A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) -> EIS: 31-Mar > EI-
126 freqflyer : Are there any AI aircraft awaiting delivery ? I understand one is is waiting for first flight in CHS and one all taped up after change incorporation.
127 hkcanadaexpat : No delay that i am aware at Boeing. Just going through the motions. > VT-ANC has been in and out of the EMC more times than i can count. its now o
128 7BOEING7 : Actually what they look for on a C flight is not based on their experience with the airplane but a profile they put together prior to ever flying the
129 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Line number 11 outside the EMC. Wet day at KPAE 3-19-14 by moonm, on Flickr
130 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : When it rains, it pours... A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) delivery flight from CHS to VCV for wifi fitting. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3252 Sec
131 NYC777 : Perhaps but they need to finish customer acceptance flights and I doubt that Qatar is close to finishing that. They have been extremely picky with Bo
132 Stitch : Cool picture angle. Looks like it's sitting on it's belly.
133 Post contains links NYC777 : Maybe two Qatari 787s are being delivered today. There's this one that just popped up on Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3254 In ad
134 Post contains images seabosdca : There is another picture in his photostream of an ANA-painted teen from the opposite side. Can you tell if that photo is the other side of LN11 or a
135 NYC777 : There are two 787s behind LN 11. One is for British Airways (LN 173) and the other is for Ethiopian (LN 167) all at the EMC. I assume that is what yo
136 seabosdca : No, I'm talking about this picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13278499603/ No other aircraft are visible in the picture. I can't tell if thi
137 Post contains images NYC777 : Yup, saw that one too. It could only be either LN 12 or LN 13. Not sure which one. I don't know why it was pulled over there. Here's a weird flight p
138 Post contains links KarelXWB : History is repeating itself: a Hainan Airlines 787 is being prepared for (short-term?) storage: http://paineairport.com/kpae10241.htm A fuselage secti
139 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZA564 returning from a test flight. Aeromexico Boeing 787-8 N966AM by royalscottking, on Flickr
140 Post contains links seabosdca : Skyliner is reporting that another QR 787-8 will be delivered next Tuesday. http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=4
141 iahcsr : It seems UA 788 #10 was delivered yesterday .. From CHS I presume. Two more 8s then two 9s up next.
142 SonomaFlyer : As I think you mentioned in the UA thread, the delivery flight is scheduled from CHS to DEN today (Sat 22 March).
143 Post contains links BravoEchoNov : Delivery flight is complete http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6874. N26910 is officially packed, sealed and delivered to Denver.
144 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like RBA ZA447 (156) may have completed its C-1 today, looks a bit long for an FCF: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20140322/18
145 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like AMX ZA564 (155) is out on a C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564
146 hkcanadaexpat : New CHS record with N26910. 149 days from entering FAL until delivery. Narrowing the gap with Everett where record currently sits at 90 days (TUI/Jet
147 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : I'd say although QTR ZA472 (150) is not in the wing crack range noted previously it's been 2 weeks since it flew in from PDX, a little long to be sitt
148 NYC777 : Or the Qatar acceptance team may have just finished with the last of the 787s in Charleston and arrived in Everett to start the acceptance testing an
149 7BOEING7 : But I doubt Boeing would have let the airplane sit for two weeks (waiting until the last minute) to clear a flight squawk, on a Sunday -- that tends
150 tortugamon : Maybe there were no issues? tortugamon
151 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : If there were no issues, there would have been no flight unless work was done on the airplane that required a reflight prior to customer. Looks like
152 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA565 to make its B-1 flight today. This is for Aeromexico (lsd from ILFC): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565
153 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. DELIVERED TO DATE: 127 Aircraft to 17 Airlines
154 Post contains links NYC777 : Look like ZA189 is scheduled for a C-1 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE189
155 7BOEING7 : Now that's a JAL/ANA profile, I wonder what the deal with ZA188 was.
156 seabosdca : This didn't happen. The weather is beautiful, so the airplane must have been uncooperative.
157 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : As with the vast majority of 787's ZA565 AMX (163) didn't fly it's B-1 on the first day it was released to the flight crew due to maintenance issues,
158 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing trying again to get ZA565 up on its B-1 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565
159 NYC777 : I think ZA578 (LN 153) for ILFC/Norwegian is at the delivery center in Everett. Can anyone confirm?
160 NYC777 : Matt Cawby confirmed that ZA578 for ILFC/Norwegian is at the Delivery Center in Everett. Looks like that one is being delivered. Rumor has it that Qa
161 atcgod : BOE789 came to BOI today. It was fun to see...and it parked on the ANG ramp which is unusual.
162 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : A7-BCH on its way from Victorville to Doha. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A7BCH Looks like a 10 day turnaround to install WiFi at Victorville. A
163 Aotearoa : ANZ's 789 is due to check out of the EMC and into the paint facility next week. I'm looking forward to seeing a totally black (sans engines) 789 by we
164 Post contains images travelhound : From the data so far and to my amazement it looks like Boeing has reached (and is maintaining) the 10 units per month production schedule. From the ea
165 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA471 looks to be going on a FCF: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE471 It was pulled inside 88-30 for a couple of days and then came back out. I
166 KarelXWB : Sounds plausible. On another forum a CHS worker said one of the Ethiopian 787s was also pulled back inside.
167 NYC777 : do you have a link to this comment?
168 Post contains links KarelXWB : Sure, you can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/nwlnszb
169 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : AMX ZA564 (155) out on a C-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564
170 Post contains links NYC777 : According to Matt Cawby ZA437 for Hainan just came out of paint is heading to the EMC either for more travelled work or for storage. ZA447 for RBA is
171 KarelXWB : It could be, we know ZA436 is in storage at PAE.
172 seabosdca : Looks like we could easily get to 11, assuming today's flights for ZA564 (AM LN155) and ZA471 (QR LN144) went well. ZA189 (JL LN159) has also flown c
173 Post contains links KarelXWB : Delivery flight for Royal Brunei ZA447: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...7/history/20140327/0200Z/KPAE/WBSB
174 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA655 going on a C-1 flight, delivery should be next week: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE655
175 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA564 going out o another test flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564
176 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Test aircraft LN5 was pushed outside the EMC. https://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13440288755/
177 Sooner787 : Didn't somebody post awhile back that Boeing found a BBJ customer for this frame?
178 KarelXWB : I guess the mid-body fixes on the new 787s have a higher priority.
179 seabosdca : Boeing said in its 2013 annual report (Feb 2014): Everyone assumed this is referring to LN5 and LN6, given that LN4 was still being used for testing
180 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA471 (QR LN144) up on yet another test flight. The QR acceptance crew must be warming the cockles of Al-Baker's heart. http://flightaware.com/live/fl
181 NYC777 : More like warming his COCKles
182 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another delivery: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/449323295259623425 Aeromexico ZA564.
183 Post contains links seabosdca : A last-minute test flight tonight on ZA189 (JL LN159). Looks like a big push to complete deliveries this week. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...
184 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Air Canada ZA612 on its way to the paint hangar two days ago. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13434985643/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13435
185 Post contains links KarelXWB : Lee Karas made a nice picture of the Charleston site during a photo flight: http://paineairport.com/images/kchs2014.jpg
186 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : Air India VT-ANP scheduled for a B1 flight out of Charleston today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE244 A
187 seabosdca : Interesting. Will VT-ANP be delivered before VT-ANC?
188 Post contains links KarelXWB : It seems LN14 has been pushed out of the EMC as well: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=112652089&postcount=3521 Perhaps NYC777 can che
189 United787 : I am guessing we are seeing QR 144 being towed; AI 158; CZ 154 & CZ 172 in that photo? Nice to see some of the airlines with small quantities of
190 seabosdca : To the extent that was true (I'm skeptical) I think it refers to the acceptance process, not the assembly. ZA472 (QR LN150) was assembled in CHS but
191 tortugamon : I think it is interesting that 75% of ANA's 788s have been delivered at this point. It won't be much longer until they are only 789s to complete thei
192 NYC777 : LN 11 is inside the EMC, LN 14 is out on RWY 11/29.
193 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Poor LN5 was also moved to runway 11/29. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13475049973/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13475297494/ http://www.fl
194 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. DELIVERED TO DATE: 130 Aircraft to 17 Airlines
195 PHX787 : Are any of the remaining NH deliveries going to be in Star Alliance colors?
196 iahcsr : First UA 789 is on the FAL in Everett ... Will that be the next delivery or will one or both remaing 788s come first?
197 hkcanadaexpat : N49911 (next 788) will deliver next in mid/late June. A
198 SonomaFlyer : The UA 789 is slated for late July/early August.
199 milestones787 : I think this info is in one of the earlier threads, but can someone remind me when 789 test program will be complete and the first 789 will be deliver
200 Post contains links tortugamon : Boeing has said that it will be delivered 'mid year'. Airinsight has said that the test flight program will last 1,500 hours http://www.aviationweek.
201 KarelXWB : That is not correct, NZ is the launch customer. ZB197 will deliver after ZB003.
202 tortugamon : Thats right there are five 789s that have rolled out at this point and a sixth in just a couple weeks. I keep forgetting that. We still don't have a
203 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB197 is the production standard a/c and will be used for route proving flights. Those aircraft usually have light test equipment aboard meaning it wi
204 BravoEchoNov : I saw ZB003 in the factory a few weeks ago. Nice to see it out now. Big size difference.
205 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like QTR ZA472 (150) out for another B flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE472
206 Post contains links LN-KGL : Norwegian's EI-LND, delivered on the 24th, is now at DUB to paint the hero on the tail. For New Yorkers November Delta will get a familiar Norwegian f
207 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : ZB003 (LN169) on the way to the paint hanger:
208 NYC777 : ZA471 is at the Charleston delivery Center. I'm assuming that this one will fly away today.
209 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Photo of UA's first 787-9, LN181. http://flic.kr/p/mDKZDT
210 hkcanadaexpat : Next up as we start a new month... Delivery Flights: > N966AM (Aeromexico #4/ILFC #9) > A7-BCJ (Qatar Airways #12) (@ Charleston) > 5Y-KZA (K
211 Post contains links KarelXWB : JAL ZA189 (JA835J) delivery flight to HND: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20140331/2345Z/KPAE/RJTT
212 TK773ER : Doe's anyone here have a photo of the first ILFC/THAI....
213 Someone83 : It just started assembly, so is probably a little early
214 tortugamon : Looking good. Can't tell yet if it will be the white/black livery or the All Black. I assume the former. Looks like it is in good shape. We don't hav
215 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Alright, LN28 was moved to the fuel dock, finally some action: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13553708334/
216 United787 : With two AI birds on the flightline (28 & 158), and a third in final assembly (180), what is the status of the next round of AI 787 financing? Pl
217 seabosdca : No, LN 26 (delivered before LN 25) was the last on the previous package. The delivery of LN 25 shows they obtained financing for at least LN 25 and o
218 Post contains links KarelXWB : Speaking about money, Air Canada has secured a $100+ million loan for their first 787. http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/451068396088864768
219 Post contains links NYC777 : According to this article, Kenya Airways took delivery of its first 787 today: http://www.punchng.com/news/kenya-ai...ys-gets-first-dreamliner-aircraf
220 xaapb : So finally it flew to Mexico City, I wonder why It took almost a week to do the flight. Was there any problem with this airplane? Greetings.
221 Post contains links KarelXWB : Delivery flight for Qatar ZA471: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...2/history/20140402/1500Z/KCHS/KVCV
222 United787 : Do we know when this contractually delivered? Nice to see the backlog at CHS emptied out...
223 NYC777 : AI needs money for pre-delivery payments of 3 787s. Delivery to be made between June and November! Air India has sought bids from banks to finance up
224 Post contains links and images seabosdca : Looks like it's time for a raft of B-1s. With LN 151 in temporary storage there are few aircraft close to delivery and a large backlog of aircraft in
225 Post contains links Jvaljean : Here's a link to photos of this aircraft taken at CHS last week: http://www.airteamimages.com/A7-BCJ_id.html
226 lightsaber : First, thanks to everyone for the information. I would like to know more about the AI financing. While interesting, why isn't the GoI helping the brid
227 Post contains links KarelXWB : Herald video journalist Phil Davies and Business Herald reporter Daniel Lynch take a tour of Air New Zealand's new Boeing 787 flight simulator. http:/
228 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA275 is on a C-1 flight this morning. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE275
229 NYC777 : And Za275 just landed...had to return to Everett I guess due to an unspecified issue.
230 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. DELIVERED TO DATE: 133 Aircraft to 18 Airlines
231 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Boeing delivered 10 787s in March.
232 Post contains links f18raider : ZB001 (?) N789EX in KLBB today and tomorrow for some sort of wind testing. http://i.imgur.com/cGJJgct.jpg
233 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB003 will roll out from paint on April 6. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...schedule-after-smooth-test-397745/
234 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : ZA275 LOT (161) up bright and early on a C-2 after the incomplete C-1 yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE275
235 Post contains links KarelXWB : Kenya Airways ZA655 delivery flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/K...7/history/20140404/1800Z/KPAE/HKJK
236 starrion : So according to All Things.... They delivered 10 787s in March They rolled out 12 plus one more from Change incorporation in March. One has already be
237 Post contains links NYC777 : Bloomberg is reporting that Azul (of Brazil) may be interested in the terrible teens. Those airplanes will goo at a very cheap price to a current bui
238 United787 : I wonder how quickly they could get them? It appears as though the EMC is busy right now helping getting the production rate up (finishing up travell
239 KarelXWB : Boeing said to stabilize the traveling work at LN195. It means the EMC should become available very soon. It has been reported that Transaero will no
240 tortugamon : 16 hours of flight time and 9k miles. Not a quick trip. I have to think it would be cheaper to stop for gas along the way and break up the trip but I
241 KarelXWB : Fuel burn will be relatively low because the aircraft is basically empty. Delivery flights with 100 tons of fuel are not unusual. The EMC was always
242 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here's an interesting quote: http://scbiz.typepad.com/flightlines...-in-q1-first-to-kenya-airways.html
243 kanban : They bought the building, so they have plans .. there is always a need for an EMC, maybe you'll see 737s in there..
244 tortugamon : I don't doubt it. I am not saying that they will be dealing with the terrible teens in the 2020s just that selling them early in the production cycle
245 seabosdca : Analysts and investors already know this earnings hit is going to happen at some point. I don't think Boeing will particularly care when the earnings
246 TK773ER : The question i have if an airline wanted these early built frames how soon can Boeing deliver them?
247 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : Qatar Airways #11 A7-BCI on its way home to Doha from Victorville. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A7BCI A
248 PHX787 : How many NH 789s are completed?
249 Stitch : If an airline was willing to pay enough to jump to the front of the line in the EMC and have a dedicated team working on it, Boeing could probably ge
250 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB197 has been applied with it's test registration: N1792B. First flight should follow shortly. http://paineairport.com/kpae10274.htm It seems that wa
251 Stitch : And another one is evidently preparing to go in per the latest pics from Matt Cawby.
252 ER757 : Does anyone know who the all white 788 parked at the north end of BFI belongs to? It's been there a few weeks now
253 Post contains links and images zkojq : And with the paint applied:
254 Post contains links and images Jvaljean : All hail Mr. Cawby on his photo coup, Keesha & Wilson must be very proud. see: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2014/04/paine-field-april-5.html
255 Post contains links KarelXWB : A B1 flight for CZ ZA388 has been filled. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20140406/1400Z/KCHS/KCHS
256 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Photographer Bernie Leighton made a nice aerial view of ZB197: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/13675631013/
257 seabosdca : Are you sure it's a 788? The third 789 test aircraft N789ZB is currently at BFI and is painted all-white.
258 Post contains images PHX787 : Both she and the All Blacks 789 are some of the most beautiful planes I've seen!
259 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA244 (AI LN158) to VCV, most likely for painting: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE244
260 ER757 : Ahhhh - that could be. Hard to tell driving by at 60 mph on I-5. Especially at the angle it's parked.
261 sunrisevalley : In the FWIW department ; assuming it was OEW plus say 1500kg the burn would have been ~71t. TOW would have been about 197.5t and fuel load ~78.5t
262 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : RBA ZA448 (166) filed for a B-1 this afternoon. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE448
263 KELPkid : I'm suprised Boeing would allow a black paint job on a composite aircraft. I am familiar with homebuilt experimental aircraft, and many of those are
264 sunrisevalley : The black is a finish coat. Perhaps they use a reflective undercoat?
265 7BOEING7 : And has expected it looks like it will not take flight until it's ready -- no wine(787) before it's time.
266 A388 : KELPkid, are you comparing a Boeing 787 with an home built experimental aircraft. I mean, really? I'm sure Boeing knows what they are doing. A388
267 A388 : What is the status of the flight testing of the 787-9? Is it still on schedule? Where are the test aircraft now? A388
268 Post contains links United787 : http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ Looks like testing is on track - completion around June!
269 Post contains links tortugamon : It looks like it is on schedule. Here is an article in Flight Global. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...schedule-after-smooth-test-397745/ Two o
270 Post contains links Jvaljean : 789 flight-test aircraft are based at BFI. see: http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-787_N789EX_boeing_196065.html
271 Post contains images KELPkid : Are we talking about the same company that slapped together the prototype with fasteners from Home Depot?
272 A388 : KELPkid, I'll leave you with your home built aircraft. A388
273 A388 : Thanks for the test update. I know the aircraft are based in BFI but I was wondering how and where they are testing now. I'm looking forward to seeing
274 NYC777 : ZB197 is to have its B-1 today (April 8th) and will land at Boeing Field per Matt Cawby. Hasn't shown up on flightaware, yet.
275 Post contains links KarelXWB : Flight crew is on ZB197. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/453594672829833216
276 NYC777 : Takeoff time is at 12:40pm local.
277 Post contains links NYC777 : Here's the FA posting though it doesn't ID the aircraft type. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE197
278 tortugamon : It's been moved up. Should be airborne any minute. tortugamon
279 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ANA ZA136 on the 40-51 apron: By Bernie Leighton. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/13722062715/
280 Post contains links NYC777 : ZB197 only doing a taxi test today apparently ANA 787-9 JA830A starting in 5, taxi test only today— Paine Airport (@mattcawby) April 8, 2014
281 7BOEING7 : It always takes them a day to get airborne. Hopefully someday they'll be like all the rest of the Boeing family that gets airborne the same day it's
282 tortugamon : The sixth 787-9 is rolling out tonight (LN#167 for UA ZB167): This looks like it will be the last one for a little while though I don't think ZB004 (L
283 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Photos from Matt Cawby: And here's LN146, ANA's first 787-9 doing its taxi tests:
284 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : China Southern #9 (B-2787) on its way to Victorville for painting. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE388 A
285 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Another photo of United's first 787-9:
286 Post contains links tortugamon : I have read this multiple times: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...lls-out-first-united-787-9-398076/ This is the sixth 789. I thought the ANA an
287 817Dreamliiner : I don't think the ANZ frame is part of the flight test programme.
288 tortugamon : That would do it. Thanks. tortugamon
289 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked down for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Part
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