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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 27  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 66946 times:
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The previous thread became quite long and was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion on this topic.

Part 26 can be found here:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 26 (by SA7700 Jan 31 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 66913 times:

Well the weather got friendly awhile ago but it looks like the airplane wasn't (KEN ZA655 (157)) which appears to be the rule not the exception these days, unfortunately.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 66618 times:

What are the totals for March so far?


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 66592 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 122 Aircraft to 17 Airlines & 3 VIPs

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO FEBRUARY
NH-24; JL-13; AI-12; QR-9; UA–9; CZ-8; HU-6; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; BY-4; BA-4; AM-3; DY-3; JQ-3; BI-2; VIP-2; TB-1

FEBRUARY & MARCH DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 149 – HZ-MF7 – 2/4/2014 – VIP #3 - Saudi Ministry of Finance (BBJ)
L/N 147 - JA827A – 2/5/2014 - NH #25
L/N 148 - JA825A – 2/5/2014 - NH #26
L/N 140 - JA828A – 2/21/2014 - NH #27

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – ZA230 - AI #13
L/N 152 – JA831J – ZA188 - JL #14
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 (Charleston)
L/N 153 – EI-LND – ZA578 - DY #4 (ILFC)
L/N 151 - B-2738 – ZA436 - HU #7
L/N 138 - A7-BCI – ZA470 - QR #11 (Charleston)
L/N 155 – N966AM – ZA564 - AM #4 (ILFC)
L/N 156 – V8-DLC – ZA447 – BI #3
L/N 159 – JA835J – ZA189 - JL #15
L/N 145 - N26910 – ZA294 - UA #10 (Charleston)
L/N 144 - A7-BCJ – ZA471 - QR #12 (Charleston)
L/N 150 - A7-BCM – ZA472 - QR #13 (Charleston)
L/N 157 – 5Y-KZA – ZA655 – KQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 161 - SP-LRF – ZA275 – LO #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 160 – C-GHPQ – ZA610 – AC #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 28 - VT-ANC – ZA232 - AI #14 Awaiting first flight
L/N 162 – VH-VKE – ZA218 - JQ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 163 – N967AM – ZA565 - AM #5 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 165 – EI-LNE – ZA651 - DY #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 166 – V8-DLD – ZA448 – BI #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 154 - B-2740 – ZA388 - CZ #9 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 158 - VT-ANP – ZA244 - AI #15 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021 & 197)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 66188 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
What are the totals for March so far?

Zip.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 66130 times:

The first B787-8 for Kenya Airways 5Y-KZA is ready  http://imageshack.com/a/img706/6323/6nu0.png
http://paineairport.com/kpae10178.htm

I love those red engine cowlings 

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 65720 times:

Boeing moved another 787 out of 40-24 last night. UA's first 787-9 is loading today.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 65609 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
I love those red engine cowlings.  

I wonder if they're taking a fuel-burn hit from (a presumed) lack of laminar flow by not going with the "stock" colors.


User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 65407 times:
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I saw ZA249 returning from somewhere on Saturday to the flight line in CHS, painted in the UA livery. Couldn't find it this far in the future on Flight Aware, though


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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 65300 times:

When should AC's LN160 have its first flight?

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 64774 times:

Both January and February were slow months for deliveries. Why is this?

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 64695 times:
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Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
Both January and February were slow months for deliveries. Why is this?

Off the top of my head...

Poor weather in Everett may have affected B and C flights.

QR is not pleased with the state of the birds they're getting from CHS so they seem to be requiring more "clean up" work before delivery.

I believe AI may still be working on funding some of their deliveries.

Major assemblies arriving from CHS need more travel work, which slows completion rates.

Coming off the holiday shutdown at the factory.

New customers (like AC and KQ) are getting their first airframe, so that probably takes a bit longer to prepare.

Boeing has had to use long-distance paint hangars for some planes, so that adds to the cycle time.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 64610 times:

Does anyone know the - 9 rate of production and are they all coming from Everett or are some coming from CHS?

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 64574 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the - 9 rate of production and are they all coming from Everett or are some coming from CHS?

All -9s are coming from Everett for the moment.


User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 64318 times:

Im curious on average how long does it take for a 787 to be built?

User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 63714 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Off the top of my head...

There was also a bit of a slow down when the original three -9's rolled down the line.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 63759 times:

Quoting piedmont727 (Reply 14):
Im curious on average how long does it take for a 787 to be built?

Roughly between 34 and 40 days in Everett.

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 63635 times:

As of today, Boeing completed 45% of the 787-9 flight test campaign.

http://airinsight.com/2014/03/04/flight-test-program-update/



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 63564 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
As of today, Boeing completed 45% of the 787-9 flight test campaign.

1,500 flight hours planned. I don't think we knew that up to now. Good to know.

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 62759 times:

ZB002 is out over the Pacific doing 16 hours' worth of circles at varying altitude.      

Seems like for a max endurance flight you'd at least want to fly somewhere fun!   


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 62625 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
16 hours' worth of circles

...or, as it turned out, 5 hours' worth of circles. Not quite as boring.


User currently offlinerocker From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 62608 times:
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Anyone know when AC is getting their first 787, and, when tickets might be available for early domestic runs?

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 61753 times:

Looks like ZA564 is up for a C-1 I think:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 61628 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 22):
Looks like ZA564 is up for a C-1 I think:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564

That would be nice, but I think because of the altitude (FL350) and the routing (a little long for a C-1 that's not ANA, JAL, or QTR), it's probably an engineering flight of some sort.


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Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 61399 times:
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User currently offlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 1002 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 61803 times:

Using All Things 787 data, from the 3rd Of February to the 3rd of March we have 8 frames being loaded into the FAL and 7 frames leaving the FAL.

I'd suggest Boeing are not quite up to the 10 frames per month rate.

Things will become more clear over this month.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 26, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 61596 times:

Quoting travelhound (Reply 25):
I'd suggest Boeing are not quite up to the 10 frames per month rate.

NYC777's post in his blog should give insight into the rate of production.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 27, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 62018 times:

First NZ 787-9 (LN169) was pushed out of the final assembly line.

http://paineairport.com/kpae10186.htm

The aircraft is now inside the EMC.

[Edited 2014-03-06 01:12:16]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 28, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 61269 times:

ZA189 on a B-2/Engineering flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE189



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 887 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 61284 times:

Quoting travelhound (Reply 25):
Using All Things 787 data, from the 3rd Of February to the 3rd of March we have 8 frames being loaded into the FAL and 7 frames leaving the FAL.

We don't know when the spreadsheet was last updated, so I'm not sure you can say that. From 29 Jan to 25 Feb 10 frames were loaded. Unless something has changed in the last week and a half, that does seem like 10/month to me.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 30, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 61225 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 29):
We don't know when the spreadsheet was last updated, so I'm not sure you can say that. From 29 Jan to 25 Feb 10 frames were loaded. Unless something has changed in the last week and a half, that does seem like 10/month to me.

I update these spreadsheets as the information comes in. That's on a daily basis.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 31, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 60878 times:

ZA655 will be on its B-2 tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE655



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 887 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 60366 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 30):
I update these spreadsheets as the information comes in. That's on a daily basis.

How frequently does the loading date information come in? And does it come in consistently between the two sites? I see that there are now 2 more frames noted as loaded in the spreadsheet compared to when I wrote that.

Seems like the best way to get an idea of what the rate is would be to do a moving average rather than picking an arbitrary start day. My example above gave 10 frames, if we do it from the 6th of March backwards you get 9 based on the current info, Travelhound had 8 from a slightly different starting date.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 33, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 60411 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
First NZ 787-9 (LN169) was pushed out of the final assembly line.

It looks like it is in pretty bad shape. The wing body fairings aren't installed and the leading edge looks like it still needs work.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 34, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 60042 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33):
It looks like it is in pretty bad shape. The wing body fairings aren't installed and the leading edge looks like it still needs work.

I noticed the same, I guess it will spend quite some time in the EMC.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 35, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 59744 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 32):
How frequently does the loading date information come in? And does it come in consistently between the two sites? I see that there are now 2 more frames noted as loaded in the spreadsheet compared to when I wrote that.

Seems like the best way to get an idea of what the rate is would be to do a moving average rather than picking an arbitrary start day. My example above gave 10 frames, if we do it from the 6th of March backwards you get 9 based on the current info, Travelhound had 8 from a slightly different starting date.

I don't get the info at regular intervals. I post it as I get it. The load dates are accurate though. They're now starting to fall into somewhat of a pattern but the disruptions caused by the issues in SC have disrupted that pattern.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3856 posts, RR: 27
Reply 36, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 59396 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33):
It looks like it is in pretty bad shape.

Since we don't know why the faring(s) is missing or anything else about the post roll out work, I would say qualifying it as 'in bad shape' is a stretch.. incomplete yes, but possibly intentionally so. The Flight Test program may have found an issue that needs modification.. or a supplier had a production problem, not unheard of.

Of course I may be a little gun shy after all the rancor stirred up with the -8s some legitimate and much of it know-it-alls forecasting doom.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 37, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 59389 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 36):
The Flight Test program may have found an issue that needs modification.. or a supplier had a production problem, not unheard of.

I don't think that's the case. The mid-body section arrived incompletely from CHS and will be worked on in the EMC. The Seattle Times posted an article about it.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 38, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 59017 times:

The WSJ reports that Boeing will have to inspect 42 787 jets for wing cracks (LN151-193). Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has changed its manufacturing process and it may cause cracks in the wings.

Google "Boeing to Inspect Wings of Undelivered Dreamliners for Cracks" to read the article.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 39, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 58985 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 36):
The Flight Test program may have found an issue that needs modification.. or a supplier had a production problem, not unheard of.

Well you may be on to something there. This is not good news:

Quote:
Boeing Co. revealed Friday that a manufacturing problem had caused hairline cracks in the wings on some of its 787 Dreamliner jets, requiring inspections on 42 aircraft and delaying the delivery of some to airlines.

Wing-maker Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. informed Boeing that a change in its manufacturing process may cause the cracks in the wings it produces for yet-to-be-delivered jets, according to a spokesman for the U.S....


google "Boeing to Inspect Wings of Undelivered Dreamliners for Cracks" for article

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 40, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 58992 times:

Overtightened fastener coupled with a missing filler. Oops.

No wonder deliveries have suddenly ground to a halt right at LN 150.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 887 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 58620 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 40):
Overtightened fastener coupled with a missing filler. Oops.

Sounds like they're missing shims ("fillers") between the skins and the shear ties. The fastener would continue to be tightened until the gap closed, pulling up the shear tie flange. This would in turn cause the radius of the composite shear ties to open up, causing high interlaminar tension stress in the radius. Composites are particularly weak in interlaminar tension.

Also sounds like the "change to the manufacturing process" affected a large area given the inspection time.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 42, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 58454 times:

Sounds like it is a relatively easy aluminum component fix and not a cfrp issue which I would assume is more complicated.

tortugamon


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 887 posts, RR: 9
Reply 43, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 58448 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 42):

Sounds like it is a relatively easy aluminum component fix and not a cfrp issue which I would assume is more complicated.

It's hard to decide who is a less reliable source - a guy on Twitter who says it's aluminium or a journalist who says it's composite. But if it is just a shear tie (or ties), a replacing a composite shear tie would be no more difficult than replacing an aluminium one.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 44, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 58422 times:
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Boeing 787 shear ties are made of aluminium. Boeing had an issue with them on Sections 47 and 48 (aft fuselage) back in 2010 where thermal fatigue loading could cause them to pull away from the CFRP. The fix was to increase the thickness of the ties.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 45, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 58304 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 43):
It's hard to decide who is a less reliable source - a guy on Twitter who says it's aluminium or a journalist who says it's composite.

In this case it is a guy on twitter and a journalist so you can take it or leave it. Personally, I think Gleen Farley is relatively reliable.

Quote:
Learning that hairline cracks in 787 wings are not in the composite structure, but in aluminum piece that appears easy to replace.
http://twitter.com/GlennFarley/status/442074347822268417

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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 58042 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 40):
No wonder deliveries have suddenly ground to a halt right at LN 150.

I was wondering when this would be made public.
I heard about it on my last trip to PAE ( a couple of weeks ago) but couldn't say anything because my source swore me to
secrecy.
This is exactly why there were missed deliveries in February.
Boeing says that it will recover by years end.
The boys and girls in Everett will be busy this year - between the BSC clean up and the wing repairs - a lot of work for sure.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 47, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 57444 times:

Looks like QTR ZA472 (150) is flying to PAE this afternoon from paint in PDX. It's the first one with the wing issue which I guess they want to fix at PAE not CHS.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE472


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 57410 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 47):
Looks like QTR ZA472 (150) is flying to PAE this afternoon from paint in PDX. It's the first one with the wing issue which I guess they want to fix at PAE not CHS.

I thought the wing issues started with 151......


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 49, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 57437 times:

So all the news outlets are saying that deliveries are delayed -.-

I can't really have decent access to airliners on my phone and I'm traveling around the US currently. Can someone give me a brief set of numbers outlining how much of the program is delayed right now?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 50, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 57333 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49):
Can someone give me a brief set of numbers outlining how much of the program is delayed right now?

42 frames - LN151-LN193.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 51, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 57271 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 48):
I thought the wing issues started with 151......

Oops, well that's a mystery then! Any ideas?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 49):
Can someone give me a brief set of numbers outlining how much of the program is delayed right now?

Local (Seattle) media (KING 5 -Greg Farley) says it's an aluminum not composite issue (Reply 42) and should be on the order of a 1-2 week delay per airplane.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 52, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 56676 times:

Qatar ZA472 / LN150 in full livery.


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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 56150 times:

Finally we got an answer on why deliveries didn't happen. My concern was the fourth Norwegian (l/n 153) that was supposed to be in service on the last day of February. She made two test flights, the last (B2) on 18 February, and after that she has only been parked. Now the question is how long Norwegian have to wait extra to get their four deliveries this spring (all four are within the brackets of hit aircraft)?

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 56126 times:
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Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 53):
Finally we got an answer on why deliveries didn't happen. My concern was the fourth Norwegian (l/n 153) that was supposed to be in service on the last day of February. She made two test flights, the last (B2) on 18 February, and after that she has only been parked. Now the question is how long Norwegian have to wait extra to get their four deliveries this spring (all four are within the brackets of hit aircraft)?

When Boeing inspects and fixes if needed any issues with the wings, any other mfr issues that cropped up and any other customer oriented tasks. Then customer flights are needed.

Just chalk it up to another set-back for Boeing. On its own the wing issues isn't a huge deal but combined with the software, battery, CHS manufacturing issues etc - its a PITA.

The JL issue at HNL is likely a one-off. Possibly a faulty msg, possibly some minor something but given its a 787 and an "emergency landing" to boot, the Boeing PR folks will be busy.


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Reply 55, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 56121 times:
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 54):
The JL issue at HNL is likely a one-off. Possibly a faulty msg, possibly some minor something but given its a 787 and an "emergency landing" to boot, the Boeing PR folks will be busy.

Considering the issue was with the engine and not the airframe, I expect GE is the one cranking up the press machine.  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 56, posted (9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 55690 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 47):
Looks like QTR ZA472 (150) is flying to PAE this afternoon from paint in PDX. It's the first one with the wing issue which I guess they want to fix at PAE not CHS.

I think the wing issues begin in LN 151 not 150.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 57, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 55614 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 56):
I think the wing issues begin in LN 151 not 150.

Already been chastised for that (Reply 48 & 50) -- any ideas on why it's there?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 58, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 55640 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 57):
any ideas on why it's there?

Rumors imply QR is not pleased with the quality of work at CHS so maybe the plane is getting a once-over at PAE before QR accepts it?


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 59, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 55650 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 58):
Rumors imply QR is not pleased with the quality of work at CHS so maybe the plane is getting a once-over at PAE before QR accepts it?

I think you can drop the word "rumors". Maybe QTR is insisting on delivery at PAE because they are more experienced dealing with the issues QTR has.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 60, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 55634 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 57):
Already been chastised for that (Reply 48 & 50) -- any ideas on why it's there?

My only guess is that they're running out of room at CHS. Weird though, The send LN 25 to CHS and LN 150 to PAE. Why the switch? LN 25 is at the Charleston Delivery Center. I'm guessing that it could fly away tomorrow.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 61, posted (9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 55616 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 60):
LN 25 is at the Charleston Delivery Center. I'm guessing that it could fly away tomorrow.

Finally -- I wonder where the QTR acceptance people are? Next time it flies many questions will be answered.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 62, posted (9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 55363 times:

Air India LN28 was moved to the flightline.

http://paineairport.com/kpae10203.htm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 59):
I think you can drop the word "rumors". Maybe QTR is insisting on delivery at PAE because they are more experienced dealing with the issues QTR has.

If that's true, why not flying ZA469, ZA470 and ZA471 to PAE as well? Those aircraft have been painted in PDX and should be ready for delivery.

[Edited 2014-03-10 01:16:02]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 63, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 55166 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 60):
LN 25 is at the Charleston Delivery Center. I'm guessing that it could fly away tomorrow.

Flightplan for LN25 has been filled.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20140310/1400Z/KCHS/VIDP



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 64, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 54841 times:

LOT ZA275 scheduled for a B1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20140310/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 65, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 54689 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
Flightplan for LN25 has been filled.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 62):
Air India LN28 was moved to the flightline.

Looks like AI got their financing. I'm surprised they didn't issue a press release. Perhaps talking about 787 deliveries would have been seen as too favorable to Boeing at a time when AI is trying, at least in public, to wangle yet more compensation for 787 issues.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 54714 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
First NZ 787-9 (LN169) was pushed out of the final assembly line.

Will this aircraft be part of the 789 flight testing program or is purely a production aircraft?


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54320 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 65):
Looks like AI got their financing. I'm surprised they didn't issue a press release. Perhaps talking about 787 deliveries would have been seen as too favorable to Boeing at a time when AI is trying, at least in public, to wangle yet more compensation for 787 issues.

They had the financing in place for quite a while. They were waiting so that they could directly take the plane for static display at the India Aviation 2014 which begins in Hyderabad from 12th March. Much more than a press release no?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 68, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54324 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 67):
They had the financing in place for quite a while.

They can't have had the financing tied up for all that long, as they only issued the RFP for it on January 20 of this year, with responses due February 2.

http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tend...oan%2013th%20and%2014th%20acft.pdf

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 67):
They were waiting so that they could directly take the plane for static display at the India Aviation 2014 which begins in Hyderabad from 12th March.

So the display plane will be shiny new VT-ANA? Very cool, if so.  


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 69, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54276 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 66):
Will this aircraft be part of the 789 flight testing program or is purely a production aircraft?

I believe its solely for production. They have the four test aircraft already produced including one that is the production example (ZB197).

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
Flightplan for LN25 has been filled.

I know I need to move on and not be impressed by stuff like this anymore but 15+ hours of non-stop flight covering more than 8,300 miles on a LN25 aircraft is great to see.

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 70, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54274 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 69):
I know I need to move on and not be impressed by stuff like this anymore but 15+ hours of non-stop flight covering more than 8,300 miles on a LN25 aircraft is great to see.

I'm more impressed by JAL routinely flying LN20 and LN21 NRT-BOS (close to 6000 nm) with a full passenger load plus cargo. That should put to rest the idea that the early frames can't fly long haul.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 71, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 54232 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 70):
I'm more impressed by JAL routinely flying LN20 and LN21 NRT-BOS (close to 6000 nm) with a full passenger load plus cargo. That should put to rest the idea that the early frames can't fly long haul.

Of course they can serve such a route. The 787-8 has a design range of 8,000nm, if we assume a 5,00nm loss due to overweight, that would leave 7,500nm range.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 72, posted (9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 54212 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 70):
I'm more impressed by JAL routinely flying LN20 and LN21 NRT-BOS (close to 6000 nm) with a full passenger load plus cargo. That should put to rest the idea that the early frames can't fly long haul.

LN20 and LN21 are probably around 4000kg over their design weight, however I expect their DOW is pretty low considering how low-density their configuration is. LN20 and LN21 also are the first frames to benefit from the 8,000kg boost in MTOW, which more than covers the OEW miss.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 73, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 53965 times:

Boeing delays decision on 787-10 production site:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...outhcarolina-idUSBREA291LA20140310



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 74, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 53965 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
Boeing delays decision on 787-10 production site:

I interpret that as "we were going to build them in CHS, but not that CHS is having so many issues, we may have to start production in PAE as with the 787-9".


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 75, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 53931 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
I interpret that as "we were going to build them in CHS, but not that CHS is having so many issues, we may have to start production in PAE as with the 787-9".

You would expect Boeing to resolve the CHS issues by 2018, or is it just de-risking the -10 program?



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 76, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 53941 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
I interpret that as "we were going to build them in CHS, but not that CHS is having so many issues, we may have to start production in PAE as with the 787-9".

  

I understand that the -10 fits more easily in the positions of the CHS assembly line than the PAE ones. But if they can't smooth CHS production out within the next year, I think they will have to find a way to fit the -10 into PAE production.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 77, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 54245 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 76):
I think they will have to find a way to fit the -10 into PAE production.

Slant positions are a possibility.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3856 posts, RR: 27
Reply 78, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 53893 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 77):
Slant positions are a possibility.

With all the effort they've put into developing a moving line, you will not see a slat position line.. basically you lose a 8-12 hours direct and another 4 indirect production time every time the line moves. Slant lines are expensive !!!!! but changing attitudes to accept the moving line was also a nightmare.. Typical management response was "we're not a car company"...

What the might do is move a metal plane to Charleston.. say the 747-8, and 'repurpose' that space. (sheesh I hate those trendy words)


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 79, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 53851 times:
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Quoting kanban (Reply 78):
What the might do is move a metal plane to Charleston.. say the 747-8, and 'repurpose' that space. (sheesh I hate those trendy words)

Wouldn't that be pretty expensive, considering all the 747-8 tooling at PAE?

Could they maybe adjust the surge line so that it could do three 787-10 frames? Or two 787-10 frames?


User currently offlineBravoEchoNov From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 53814 times:

They will build the 787-10 in Charleston. They WILL NOT freaking move the 747-8 line just to make room. This would cost an EXTREME amount of money.

Quoting kanban (Reply 78):

What the might do is move a metal plane to Charleston.. say the 747-8, and 'repurpose' that space. (sheesh I hate those trendy words)

With so few 747-8's left in the order book, would it possible work to end the 747-8 line and build the 787-10 in the current 747 line? Currently there are two line spaces put together to make the 747-8 (One Wing side and the other for the actual production). Would they be able to consolidate this into one side?

Also I imagine the 787 surge line in Everett will most likely not be needed by then so could they make that into a fully dedicated 787-10 line? Boeing has several possibilities but Charleston seems to be the favorite. I personally believe that by the time the 787-10 comes along, Boeing (or Bowing if your CNN) will have all the problems in Charleston worked out and it will be chosen as the site for the 787-10 production.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 81, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 53753 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
I interpret that as "we were going to build them in CHS, but not that CHS is having so many issues, we may have to start production in PAE as with the 787-9".

I view it as "we are going to build them in CHS but want to make sure that CHS shows they can work through issues and get to three per month first. We shouldn't announce additional work when they are having trouble accomplishing the work that they currently have"

There is a chance that the CHS improvements will not happen quick enough and Boeing will have to make a more difficult choice but I imagine CHS will get up to speed by summer and the -10 will be announced when they do. If they don't show enough progress by summer I bet a contingency plan starts going into effect. That surge line is going to go to the 777x so I don't see a lot of options here.

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User currently offlinedan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 53648 times:

VH-VKE (ZA218/LN162) is out of the paint hangar and on the flightline (in Jetstar colours):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13072323083/in/photostream/


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3856 posts, RR: 27
Reply 83, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 53571 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 79):
Wouldn't that be pretty expensive, considering all the 747-8 tooling at PAE?

the comment was more to stimulate a conversation.. however, most of the 747 tooling is assembly jigs with components coming by rail as panels from elsewhere. only the wing tooling would be difficult to move/duplicate.. Say just for talking purposes Boeing decided to invest in a new composite wing.. build the wing in Charleston, assemble the fuselage sections there. ship the 41 sect, engine struts etc. from Wichita.. it's do-able.

On the other hand Boeing is investing big time in Charleston real estate for future expansion there.. it's developing the work environment and supporting staff that's a killer. The manufacturing operation itself is straight forward, the plans are written for mechanics where English is a third language. parts are kitted for each job, some with the specific tools, and with new drawing copies. the specification and process documents however are written in enginering-ese and and it takes years to master, let alone figure out which aspect applies. This is probably where QA down there is faltering.. heck I've seen 2nd level QA managers in Puget Sound begin to shut the line down when they couldn't read the standard substitution document.(or even find it).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 84, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 53312 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 78):
With all the effort they've put into developing a moving line, you will not see a slat position line.. basically you lose a 8-12 hours direct and another 4 indirect production time every time the line moves. Slant lines are expensive !!!!! but changing attitudes to accept the moving line was also a nightmare.. Typical management response was "we're not a car company"...

Then why has the 787 surge line two slant positions? I was suggesting a similar approach like the surge line.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3856 posts, RR: 27
Reply 85, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 53270 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 84):
Then why has the 787 surge line two slant positions?

As I understand the "surge line" it is temporary and supplemental.. if it were a full up production line there would be no slant positions as the moving line is pulled on the a/c wheels.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 86, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 52426 times:

Got some info on the wing issues, please don't ask from where and all I can say is your best bet is to check out the Japan times article on the wing issues-

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is the culprit for the wing cracks. What appears to be issues involving oversight--what could quite possibly be over inspection, or inspectors actually not doing enough to meet monthly quotas for Boeing. As you know, there's a LOT of 787s about to hit the FAL or were inside the FAL when the issues began to hit. MHI felt the pressure there, and likely, the wingmakers probably were on some severe overtime.

We've seen this with the batteries issues. And my hypothesis is probably shocking to some:

The manufacturers are overworked, not paid for their overtime (normal in Japan) and therefore, in order to avoid slipping behind the quota, will make and inspect the part shoddily, and with minimal inspection.

In Japan, if one section of the department makes a slip up or doesn't meet the quota fast enough, the entire department would get punished, most likely fiscally or with some severe vocal abuse.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has been known throughout Japan as a "black company," one that severely overlooks the Japanese Labor Standards Law. I hope Boeing goes over there and gives them a good tongue lashing to change their management, or Boeing will continue to have some severe delays and bottom line issues.

I know this is somewhat unrelated to the production status of the 787, but it is related to the delays in the current FAL lineup. 42 frames being delayed is quite a number.

So there's my information, and if someone finds it appropriate, make your own thread.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 87, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 52174 times:

Great picture of the first two 787-9s.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/13095054865/in/photostream/

tortugamon


User currently offlineJvaljean From Belgium, joined Mar 2013, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 51725 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 87):
Great picture of the first two 787-9s. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...gamon

There is this photo of those aircraft as well:

http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-...87_N789EX_boeing_196052_large.html


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 89, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 51252 times:

Quoting Jvaljean (Reply 88):
There is this photo of those aircraft as well:

Thanks for that, and happy joining anniversary  



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 50843 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 62):
If that's true, why not flying ZA469, ZA470 and ZA471 to PAE as well? Those aircraft have been painted in PDX and should be ready for delivery.

Because when a plane is painted it is no where near ready for delivery.
All the remaining parts will have been left behind.

[Edited 2014-03-13 00:03:56]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 91, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 50647 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 90):
Because when a plane is painted it is no where near ready for delivery.

I'm aware of that, it doesn't explain ZA472 though.

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 90):
All the remaining parts will have been left behind.

That would apply for ZA472 as well.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 92, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 50022 times:

First 787 for Arke (LN182) in final assembly.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Binsq_tIgAA6ekR.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BioftS6IgAEfFuz.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinPZvwIQAAwn9E.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/Arke/



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 49920 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. Minor changes to the format since we now have a 787-9 on the flightline!

DELIVERED TO DATE: 123 Aircraft to 17 Airlines & 3 VIPs – 123 787-8 & 0 787-9

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO MARCH
787-8 NH-27; JL-13; AI-12; QR-9; UA–9; CZ-8; HU-6; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; BY-4; BA-4; AM-3; DY-3; JQ-3; VIP-3; BI-2; TB-1
787-9 0

MARCH DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – 3/7/2014 - AI #13 – 787-8

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 152 – JA831J – ZA188 - JL #14 – 787-8
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – ZA469 - QR #10 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 153 – EI-LND – ZA578 - DY #4 – 787-8 (ILFC)
L/N 151 - B-2738 – ZA436 - HU #7 – 787-8
L/N 138 - A7-BCI – ZA470 - QR #11 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 155 – N966AM – ZA564 - AM #4 – 787-8 (ILFC)
L/N 156 – V8-DLC – ZA447 – BI #3 – 787-8
L/N 159 – JA835J – ZA189 - JL #15 – 787-8
L/N 157 – 5Y-KZA – ZA655 – KQ #1 – 787-8
L/N 145 - N26910 – ZA294 - UA #10 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 161 - SP-LRF – ZA275 – LO #6 – 787-8
L/N 144 - A7-BCJ – ZA471 - QR #12 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 150 - A7-BCM – ZA472 - QR #13 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 160 – C-GHPQ – ZA610 – AC #1 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 28 - VT-ANC – ZA232 - AI #14 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 162 – VH-VKE – ZA218 - JQ #4 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 163 – N967AM – ZA565 - AM #5 (ILFC) – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 165 – EI-LNE – ZA651 - DY #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 166 – V8-DLD – ZA448 – BI #4 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 167 - ET-AOU – ZA266 - ET #6 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 170 – C-GHPT – ZA611 – AC #2 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 171 - B-27?? – ZA437 - HU #8 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 154 - B-2740 – ZA388 - CZ #9 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 158 - VT-ANP – ZA244 - AI #15 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 164 - ET-AOT – ZA265 - ET #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 169 – ZK-NZE – ZB003 - NZ #1 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021 & 197)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 94, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 49821 times:

The following nice pictures were taken today:


The 787 delivery stalls by Powercube, on Flickr


The 787 Long Term Storage Area by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 95, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 49749 times:

The 789s have been taking a lot of short flights in the last week. I count about 2 dozen flights that are less than 1 hour and only two flights above three hours in length. This is different from weeks and months past. Does this tell anyone what type of tests they may be doing?

tortugamon


User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 49282 times:

Do we have an idea when the first of the 9 early build -8s will be pulled into the EMC from runway 11-29 for change incorporation?

User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 49205 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 93):

With the current flight line do we think March deliveries will hit the big 10 ?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 98, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 49223 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 96):
Do we have an idea when the first of the 9 early build -8s will be pulled into the EMC from runway 11-29 for change incorporation?

I expect it'll be awhile.

1) There are no customers.
2) EMC resources are being used heavily right now to finish open items on newly built frames.
3) They are also being used on LN 5, which *does* have a customer and has lots of work to be done.
4) Even so, there is one "terrible teen" already inside (LN 14) and one outside (LN 11), neither of which is all that far along.

Some work has been done on LN 18 and LN 22. To my knowledge the others haven't had anything done yet.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3510 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 49061 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 97):
With the current flight line do we think March deliveries will hit the big 10 ?

Don't think so as the wing issues seems to be causing a lot more than just "a couple weeks" delay


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 100, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 48531 times:

LN182 and LN191 should deliver in May and June respectively.

http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1368-tui-sells-and-leases-787s



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 101, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 48301 times:

Looks like ANA ZA188 (152) is up on a FCF prior to customer flight after fixing wing issue:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE188


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 102, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47662 times:

Look like LN 129 (in my opinion) has been delivered yesterday.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3252



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 103, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47615 times:

Looks like ZA 578 will be doing a C-1 flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE578



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 104, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47584 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 103):
Looks like ZA 578 will be doing a C-1 flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE578

Hopefully, but I'm guessing this flight is an FCF prior to C-1 like ZA188 which flew twice yesterday, neither a C-1.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 105, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 46596 times:

ZB197 was moved to the fuel dock.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/13183118933/



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 106, posted (9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 46197 times:

AA has their 787 simulator installed:

http://twitter.com/Flybyshoutings/status/435852949512679425/photo/1

tortugamon


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 45949 times:

Next up...

Deliveries:
> A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) (@ Charleston)
> JA-831J (Japan Airlines #14)
> N966AM (Aeromexico #4/ILFC #9)
> A7-BCJ (Qatar Airways #12) (@ Charleston)
> JA-835J (Japan Airlines #15)
> EI-LND (Norwegian #4/ILFC #8)

First Flights:
> C-GHPQ (Air Canada #1)
> N967AM (Aeromexico #5/ILFC #10)
> VH-VKE (Qantas/Jetstar #4)
> VT-ANP (Air India #15) (@ Charleston)
> JA-830A (787-9 Test Aircraft #4/All Nippon Airways)

FAL Rollout:
> B-27?? (China Southern Airlines #9) (@ Charleston)
> G-ZBJE (British Airways #5)
> C-GHPU (Air Canada #3)

Cheers
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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7627 posts, RR: 8
Reply 108, posted (9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 45654 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 75):
You would expect Boeing to resolve the CHS issues by 2018, or is it just de-risking the -10 program?

How would it be de-risking by moving production to a union shop, is that not the risk that created CHS and all the out-source vendors?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 109, posted (9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 45236 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 107):
> JA-830A (787-9 Test Aircraft #4/All Nippon Airways)

This be the first 9 for ANA?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 110, posted (9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 45218 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 75):
You would expect Boeing to resolve the CHS (quality control) issues by 2018, or is it just de-risking the -10 program?
Quoting par13del (Reply 108):
How would it be de-risking by moving production to a union shop, is that not the risk that created CHS and all the out-source vendors?

PAE is now "labor safe" until 2024 and they have the experience to properly handle the program.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 111, posted (9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44525 times:

JAL ZA188 (JA831J) was moved to the delivery center.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/445828764417544193



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 44113 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
JAL ZA188 (JA831J) was moved to the delivery center.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/445828764417544193

This is the first plane >L/N 150 with the wing fix. (L/N 152)..hopefully we will see a plethora of deliveries in the next two weeks!


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 113, posted (9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 43890 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 112):
This is the first plane >L/N 150 with the wing fix. (L/N 152)..hopefully we will see a plethora of deliveries in the next two weeks!

We don't know if it needed fixing. Remember in Jon''s article it stated that LN 151 to LN 193 were to be inspected for the cracks. Some mis-interpreted to mean that all these airplanes had the cracks. I'm willing to put down good money that this particular aircraft was found to be crack-free.



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User currently offlinepaparrucho From Mexico, joined Jun 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 43741 times:

Sorry if this have been aswered. Does some one knows how serious are these cracks and how dificult is their repair?
tks.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 115, posted (9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 43740 times:

There is another Qatar 787 at the Charleston Delivery Center. Looks like Boeing is trying to pad the delivery books before quarter end!


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3856 posts, RR: 27
Reply 116, posted (9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 43336 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 115):
There is another Qatar 787 at the Charleston Delivery Center. Looks like Boeing is trying to pad the delivery books before quarter end!

the first sentence is a fact, the second needless conjecture. We get enough of the latter without opening the door and waving a flag.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 117, posted (9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 43332 times:
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QR might be looking at a multi-plane delivery or, knowing they are very particular about the pre-delivery inspection, might be holding off on taking the plane until Boeing corrects any issues that came up during the "white glove pass".

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 118, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 43290 times:

Here's a recent shot of LN4 at Boeing Field, still equipped with engines.


N7874 by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 119, posted (9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 43136 times:

Looks like NOR ZA578 (153) knocked off its C-1 today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE578


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 120, posted (9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 42953 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
JAL ZA188 (JA831J) was moved to the delivery center.

Hard to believe all those less than an hour flights added up to a JAL customer flight -- they must be in a real hurry for the airplane.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8101


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 121, posted (9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 42803 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 120):
Hard to believe all those less than an hour flights added up to a JAL customer flight -- they must be in a real hurry for the airplane.

On the flip side, if anyone knows what to look for on a 787 C flight, it would be NH and JL based on experience and fleet size.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 122, posted (9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 42763 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
On the flip side, if anyone knows what to look for on a 787 C flight, it would be NH and JL based on experience and fleet size.

From my experience with Japanese companies, once they're comfortable with a method, they do not like to mess around. So with NH, they are pretty much like "get up, check her out, check lists, etc, land this b**ch and let's sign the papers."



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 123, posted (9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 42719 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 122):

If I am not mistaken NH has the most thorough inspection and longest C flight than any other customer.

tortugamon


User currently offlineBravoEchoNov From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 42654 times:

JAL ZA188 (JA831J) has now left Everett for Tokyo Haneda. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8101

This is the 3rd 787 this month to be delivered. (VT-ANA) and (A7-BCH)


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 125, posted (9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 42454 times:

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Reply 124):
This is the 3rd 787 this month to be delivered. (VT-ANA) and (A7-BCH)

Based purely on current EIS schedule, we should see at least 5 more deliveries this month:
> A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) -> EIS: 31-Mar
> EI-LND (Norwegian #4/ILFC #8) -> EIS: 28-Feb (currently leasing replacement aircraft)
> JA-835J (Japan Airlines #15) -> EIS: 30-Mar
> N966AM (Aeromexico #4/ILFC #9) -> EIS: 30-Mar
> V8-DLC (Royal Brunei Airlines #3) -> EIS: 2-Apr
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User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 42439 times:

Are there any AI aircraft awaiting delivery ? I understand one is is waiting for first flight in CHS and one all taped up after change incorporation.

Why the delay in first flight if AI has secured the next round of funding?


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 127, posted (9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 42762 times:

Quoting freqflyer (Reply 126):
Are there any AI aircraft awaiting delivery ? I understand one is is waiting for first flight in CHS and one all taped up after change incorporation.
Why the delay in first flight if AI has secured the next round of funding?

No delay that i am aware at Boeing. Just going through the motions.
> VT-ANC has been in and out of the EMC more times than i can count. its now on the flightline still taped which could mean they're not done fixing it yet and it is simply stored there. once fixed, it should then go to the paint hangar for a refresh before going through pre-flight motions.
> VT-ANP just rolled out of CHS FAL in mid-March. Usually takes up to a month for a frame's first flight once it rolls out of CHS assembly line so look out for a first flight sometime between now and April 10th.
> VT-ANQ is next up and should roll out of CHS assembly line sometime in May.
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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 128, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 42273 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
On the flip side, if anyone knows what to look for on a 787 C flight, it would be NH and JL based on experience and fleet size.

Actually what they look for on a C flight is not based on their experience with the airplane but a profile they put together prior to ever flying the airplane. That profile is the same profile they have been using for years on all their models just modified in this case for system differences on the 787 which are found in Boeings production document.
The main problem is once their profile is on paper it is impossible to change, so if the check is incorrect to begin with or the system is modified over the years it becomes a rather difficult situation -- it's on the paper, the paper is "the word", I can't except anything else.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 123):
If I am not mistaken NH has the most thorough inspection and longest C flight than any other customer.

Probably close to a tie with QTR as far as flights are concerned.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 129, posted (9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 41471 times:

Line number 11 outside the EMC.


Wet day at KPAE 3-19-14 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 130, posted (9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 41058 times:

When it rains, it pours...
A7-BCI (Qatar Airways #11) delivery flight from CHS to VCV for wifi fitting.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3252
Second QTR delivery this month. Will we see a third one?!?
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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 131, posted (9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40767 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 130):
Will we see a third one?!?

Perhaps but they need to finish customer acceptance flights and I doubt that Qatar is close to finishing that. They have been extremely picky with Boeing at Charleston. That's why they've been taking long to accept delivery.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 132, posted (9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40733 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 129):
Line number 11 outside the EMC.

Cool picture angle. Looks like it's sitting on it's belly.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 133, posted (9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40707 times:

Maybe two Qatari 787s are being delivered today. There's this one that just popped up on Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3254

In addition to the one earlier posted:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3252



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 134, posted (9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40637 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 129):
Line number 11 outside the EMC.

There is another picture in his photostream of an ANA-painted teen from the opposite side. Can you tell if that photo is the other side of LN11 or a different bird (almost certainly LN14)?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 133):
Maybe two Qatari 787s are being delivered today.

Seems plausible. ZA471 appears to have flown a customer flight and then one more test flight.

I wonder whether they are going to go to Everett to fly ZA472's customer flights.

Edit: Hey, cool, my 5000th post...  blockhead   dopey 

[Edited 2014-03-20 10:09:06]

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 135, posted (9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 40482 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 134):
There is another picture in his photostream of an ANA-painted teen from the opposite side. Can you tell if that photo is the other side of LN11 or a different bird (almost certainly LN14)?

There are two 787s behind LN 11. One is for British Airways (LN 173) and the other is for Ethiopian (LN 167) all at the EMC. I assume that is what you are referring to?



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 136, posted (9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 40421 times:

No, I'm talking about this picture:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13278499603/

No other aircraft are visible in the picture. I can't tell if this is LN11 or if LN14 has also been moved outside.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 137, posted (9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 40356 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 136):

No other aircraft are visible in the picture. I can't tell if this is LN11 or if LN14 has also been moved outside.

Yup, saw that one too. It could only be either LN 12 or LN 13. Not sure which one. I don't know why it was pulled over there.

Here's a weird flight profile from flightware:




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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 138, posted (9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 39405 times:

History is repeating itself: a Hainan Airlines 787 is being prepared for (short-term?) storage:

http://paineairport.com/kpae10241.htm

A fuselage section for Thai's first 787 (LN190) arrived in PAE two days ago:

http://paineairport.com/kpae10238.htm



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 139, posted (9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 39085 times:

ZA564 returning from a test flight.


Aeromexico Boeing 787-8 N966AM by royalscottking, on Flickr



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 140, posted (9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 38873 times:

Skyliner is reporting that another QR 787-8 will be delivered next Tuesday.

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=4


User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3468 posts, RR: 42
Reply 141, posted (9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 38595 times:
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It seems UA 788 #10 was delivered yesterday .. From CHS I presume. Two more 8s then two 9s up next.


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 37939 times:
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Quoting iahcsr (Reply 141):
It seems UA 788 #10 was delivered yesterday .. From CHS I presume. Two more 8s then two 9s up next.

As I think you mentioned in the UA thread, the delivery flight is scheduled from CHS to DEN today (Sat 22 March).


User currently offlineBravoEchoNov From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37609 times:

Delivery flight is complete http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6874. N26910 is officially packed, sealed and delivered to Denver.

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 144, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37470 times:

Looks like RBA ZA447 (156) may have completed its C-1 today, looks a bit long for an FCF:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20140322/1830Z/KMWH/KPAE


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 145, posted (9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 37046 times:

Looks like AMX ZA564 (155) is out on a C-1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 146, posted (9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 36525 times:

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Reply 143):

Delivery flight is complete http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6874. N26910 is officially packed, sealed and delivered to Denver.

New CHS record with N26910. 149 days from entering FAL until delivery.
Narrowing the gap with Everett where record currently sits at 90 days (TUI/Jetairfly's OO-JDL)
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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 147, posted (9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 35951 times:

I'd say although QTR ZA472 (150) is not in the wing crack range noted previously it's been 2 weeks since it flew in from PDX, a little long to be sitting around if there were outstanding squawks to clear requiring another B flight but just right for a wing crack inspection/fix (10-14 days) followed by an FCF. Very curious??????

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE472


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 148, posted (9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 35891 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 147):
I'd say although QTR ZA472 (150) is not in the wing crack range noted previously it's been 2 weeks since it flew in from PDX, a little long to be sitting around if there were outstanding squawks to clear requiring another B flight but just right for a wing crack inspection/fix (10-14 days) followed by an FCF. Very curious??????

Or the Qatar acceptance team may have just finished with the last of the 787s in Charleston and arrived in Everett to start the acceptance testing and inspections for ZA472. My 2 cents.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 149, posted (9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 35843 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 148):

Or the Qatar acceptance team may have just finished with the last of the 787s in Charleston and arrived in Everett to start the acceptance testing and inspections for ZA472. My 2 cents.

But I doubt Boeing would have let the airplane sit for two weeks (waiting until the last minute) to clear a flight squawk, on a Sunday -- that tends to come back and bite you.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 150, posted (9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 35834 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 149):
But I doubt Boeing would have let the airplane sit for two weeks (waiting until the last minute) to clear a flight squawk, on a Sunday -- that tends to come back and bite you.

Maybe there were no issues?

tortugamon


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 151, posted (9 months 23 hours ago) and read 35602 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 150):
Maybe there were no issues?

If there were no issues, there would have been no flight unless work was done on the airplane that required a reflight prior to customer.

Looks like JAL ZA189 (159) is up for a B-3/FCF after any required wing work:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20140323/2030Z/KPAE/KMWH


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 152, posted (9 months 3 hours ago) and read 35106 times:

ZA565 to make its B-1 flight today. This is for Aeromexico (lsd from ILFC):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (9 months 2 hours ago) and read 35009 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 127 Aircraft to 17 Airlines & 3 VIPs – 127 787-8 & 0 787-9

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO MARCH
787-8 NH-27; JL-13; AI-12; QR-9; UA–9; CZ-8; HU-6; ET-5; LO-5; LA-5; BY-4; BA-4; AM-3; DY-3; JQ-3; VIP-3; BI-2; TB-1
787-9 0

MARCH DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 25 - VT-ANA – 3/7/2014 - AI #13 – 787-8
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – 3/14/2014 - QR #10 – 787-8
L/N 152 – JA831J – 3/17/2014 - JL #14 – 787-8
L/N 138 - A7-BCI – 3/18/2014 - QR #11 – 787-8
L/N 145 - N26910 – 3/21/2014 - UA #10 – 787-8

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 144 - A7-BCJ – ZA471 - QR #12 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 155 – N966AM – ZA564 - AM #4 – 787-8 (ILFC)
L/N 156 – V8-DLC – ZA447 – BI #3 – 787-8
L/N 153 – EI-LND – ZA578 - DY #4 – 787-8 (ILFC)
L/N 159 – JA835J – ZA189 - JL #15 – 787-8
L/N 157 – 5Y-KZA – ZA655 – KQ #1 – 787-8
L/N 161 - SP-LRF – ZA275 – LO #6 – 787-8
L/N 151 - B-2738 – ZA436 - HU #7 – 787-8
L/N 150 - A7-BCM – ZA472 - QR #13 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 163 – N967AM – ZA565 - AM #5 (ILFC) – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 160 – C-GHPQ – ZA610 – AC #1 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 28 - VT-ANC – ZA232 - AI #14 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 162 – VH-VKE – ZA218 - JQ #4 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 165 – EI-LNE – ZA651 - DY #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 166 – V8-DLD – ZA448 – BI #4 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 167 - ET-AOU – ZA266 - ET #6 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 170 – C-GHPT – ZA611 – AC #2 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 171 - B-27?? – ZA437 - HU #8 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 173 – G-ZBJE – ZA454 - BA #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 174 – C-GHPU – ZA612 – AC #3 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 154 - B-2740 – ZA388 - CZ #9 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 158 - VT-ANP – ZA244 - AI #15 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 164 - ET-AOT – ZA265 - ET #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight (Charleston)
L/N 169 – ZK-NZE – ZB003 - NZ #1 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002, 021 & 197)


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 154, posted (9 months 1 hour ago) and read 34796 times:

Look like ZA189 is scheduled for a C-1 flight today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE189



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 155, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34271 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 154):
Look like ZA189 is scheduled for a C-1 flight today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE189

Now that's a JAL/ANA profile, I wonder what the deal with ZA188 was.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 156, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34280 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 152):
ZA565 to make its B-1 flight today. This is for Aeromexico (lsd from ILFC):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565

This didn't happen. The weather is beautiful, so the airplane must have been uncooperative.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 157, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33462 times:

As with the vast majority of 787's ZA565 AMX (163) didn't fly it's B-1 on the first day it was released to the flight crew due to maintenance issues, maybe today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 158, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33447 times:

Boeing trying again to get ZA565 up on its B-1 flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE565



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 159, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33424 times:

I think ZA578 (LN 153) for ILFC/Norwegian is at the delivery center in Everett. Can anyone confirm?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 160, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33179 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 159):
I think ZA578 (LN 153) for ILFC/Norwegian is at the delivery center in Everett. Can anyone confirm?

Matt Cawby confirmed that ZA578 for ILFC/Norwegian is at the Delivery Center in Everett. Looks like that one is being delivered. Rumor has it that Qatar is taking another 787 today in Charleston. Can anyone confirm that one?



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User currently offlineatcgod From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 161, posted (8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 32729 times:

BOE789 came to BOI today. It was fun to see...and it parked on the ANG ramp which is unusual.

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 162, posted (8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32329 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 160):
Rumor has it that Qatar is taking another 787 today in Charleston. Can anyone confirm that one?

A7-BCH on its way from Victorville to Doha.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A7BCH
Looks like a 10 day turnaround to install WiFi at Victorville.
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User currently offlineAotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 32009 times:

ANZ's 789 is due to check out of the EMC and into the paint facility next week. I'm looking forward to seeing a totally black (sans engines) 789 by weeks end.

User currently offlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 1002 posts, RR: 12
Reply 164, posted (8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 31855 times:

From the data so far and to my amazement it looks like Boeing has reached (and is maintaining) the 10 units per month production schedule. From the early figures and the problems associated with travelled work I thought the ramp up and production rate was a little optimistic.

The next challenge is now delivering 10 (+) units per month. Well done Boeing. The 787 program has taken another step forward   

My supposition is based upon the All Things 787 production schedule.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 165, posted (8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 31429 times:

ZA471 looks to be going on a FCF:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE471

It was pulled inside 88-30 for a couple of days and then came back out. I can only surmise they had to fix a couple of squawks and is now going back out to verify the fix before being delivered. I think it'll probably be delivered by early next week.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 166, posted (8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 31434 times:

Sounds plausible. On another forum a CHS worker said one of the Ethiopian 787s was also pulled back inside.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 167, posted (8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 31337 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 166):
Sounds plausible. On another forum a CHS worker said one of the Ethiopian 787s was also pulled back inside.

do you have a link to this comment?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 168, posted (8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 31340 times:

Sure, you can find it here:

http://tinyurl.com/nwlnszb



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1750 posts, RR: 13
Reply 169, posted (8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 30800 times:

AMX ZA564 (155) out on a C-2:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 170, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30651 times:

According to Matt Cawby ZA437 for Hainan just came out of paint is heading to the EMC either for more travelled work or for storage. ZA447 for RBA is at the delivery center being delivered. Boeing now has 7 787 deliveries for March. Closing in on10 with 5 days left in the month and quarter.



[Edited 2014-03-26 14:40:22]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 171, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30561 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 170):
According to Matt Cawby ZA437 for Hainan just came out of paint is heading to the EMC either for more travelled work or for storag

It could be, we know ZA436 is in storage at PAE.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 172, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30551 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 170):
According to Matt Cawby ZA437 for Hainan just came out of paint is heading to the EMC either for more travelled work or for storage. ZA447 for RBA is at the delivery center being delivered. Boeing now has 8 787 deliveries for March. Closing in on10 with 5 days left in the month and quarter.

Looks like we could easily get to 11, assuming today's flights for ZA564 (AM LN155) and ZA471 (QR LN144) went well. ZA189 (JL LN159) has also flown customer flights.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 173, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 29771 times:

Delivery flight for Royal Brunei ZA447:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...7/history/20140327/0200Z/KPAE/WBSB



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 174, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29710 times:

ZA655 going on a C-1 flight, delivery should be next week:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE655



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 175, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 29656 times:

ZA564 going out o another test flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE564



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13098 posts, RR: 35
Reply 176, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 29631 times:

Test aircraft LN5 was pushed outside the EMC.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/13440288755/



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