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Thai Airways Puts 18 Aircraft Up For Sale  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25748 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 30720 times:

Following last weeks announcement of large loss and negative outlook for 2014, the carrier has placed 18 frames for immediate sale.

4 x A340-500
4 x A300-600
8 x 737-400
2 x ATR-72

Deliveries available between Q2 and Q3.


Some might remember, TG tried to sell its A345's last year and did enter into and agreement with a Saudi VIP operator to only cancel the deal at the last minute due to complaints that the agreed price was below the debt on the aircraft which would have left TG taking a loss on the sale.

Lets see how they do this time. Maybe PeoplExpress can consider the 734's.. lol

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31115 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 30763 times:
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Well China Eastern was able to sell their 7 A300-600Rs back to Airbus in exchange for buying 70 A320-200neos so we know the exchange rate is ten A320-200neos per A300-600R.  

MU were also able to offload their five A340-600s to Boeing for 20 777-300ERs, so maybe if TG was willing to buy 16 777-200LRs or 777-8s, Boeing would take their four A340-500s.   ;

[Edited 2014-03-03 16:49:18]

User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 30186 times:
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Which of their 6 A346s are listed? Assume TNA-TND leaving TNE and TNF active with TG?

User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 30030 times:

I really hope TG is able to get their affairs in order and the inapt political cronies won't interfere with the running of the airline.

User currently offlinesuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 28821 times:

TG should sell the A300s! J/k

User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 28689 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 2):
Which of their 6 A346s are listed?

Of their airbus fleet, they have their A306's, and A345's up for sale. It looks like they will hang on to their A346's...



A306, A313, A319, A320, A321, A332, A343, A345, A346 A388, AC90, B06, B722, B732, B733, B735, B738, B744, B762, B772, B7
User currently offlineaxelesgg From Sweden, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 26917 times:

Iran, they'll buy them.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 26517 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 2):
Which of their 6 A346s are listed? Assume TNA-TND leaving TNE and TNF active with TG?

None, TG is selling the 4 x A345...  

Sad the A345 was never a success for Airbus, but without a doubt the A350 will be a successful aircraft.

EK413



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User currently onlinealmehairiauh From United Arab Emirates, joined Aug 2013, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 22027 times:
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Will the 2 ATR-72 aircrafts operates for Biman Bangladesh ?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12116 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21967 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Well China Eastern was able to sell their 7 A300-600Rs back to Airbus in exchange for buying 70 A320-200neos so we know the exchange rate is ten A320-200neos per A300-600R.

And Airbus bought 5 A340-500 aircraft back from SQ in exchange for 70 A350s, so they know what do to   



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21751 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
Sad the A345 was never a success for Airbus, but without a doubt the A350 will be a successful aircraft.

Yes, good for Airbus, but it remains sad that the unsuccessful A345 is a prettier plane than the inevitable bestseller A350.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21699 times:

TG is going to have a hard time finding customer for these frames.

The A300s might find takers for cargo conversion. The 737-400 with small or starting airlines or in less developed countries.
I'm not optimistic about the A345.

Ironically, the ATRs might well be the most desirable and easiest to shift in there... Depending on the hours and cycles.

In any case, this is not what's going to save them.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21423 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
4 x A340-500
4 x A300-600
8 x 737-400
2 x ATR-72

So they want to sell the types almost every other airline would like to get rid of as well.

-A340-500. With SQs also for sale and some being scrapped already they´ll need a lot of patience until someone with a small purse will come along to buy these thirsty Rolls-Royces. They would make great VIP planes, maybe to replace SPs from the 1970s, but this type of plane is bought one by one.
-The A300s are rotting away since years, why didnt they sell them 5 years ago, what sense does it make to offer them now when they are worth half of what they were when being phased out?
-737-400? The market is being flooded by them at the moment. If they are older than 20 years the scrappers will be the best clients for them.
-ATR-72, ok these will have the best chance.


User currently offlineMaxiAir From Germany, joined Mar 2013, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19553 times:

Quoting na (Reply 12):
-ATR-72, ok these will have the best chance.

I'm not that sure about this, these are propably the two frames leased to NOK an they are 24 years, so they won't have a good chance either! (HS-TRA & TRB)



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19086 times:

QF 734 fleet has been completely disposed of? I wonder if TG will have "competition" selling the 734s if QF is still in the process of selling theirs.

Quoting na (Reply 12):
They would make great VIP planes

Or for a head of state.

Quoting MaxiAir (Reply 13):
they are 24 years, so they won't have a good chance either! (HS-TRA & TRB)

Oh wow, I would have also thought they'd be the most desirable, but at such age, who knows. I was even going to suggest they might make sense for Mexico's VW (Aeromar) but at that age, maybe they should become soda cans.  



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User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17691 times:

Though the announcement of sale comes after the financial report, I don't think it's a direct result of the poor financial reported.

TG has long planned to sell 4 x 340-500s, those 4 x AB6 aren't the current workhorse HS-TAT/W/X/Y/Z
and the 734s/ATRs are returned from NOK and now at their times.

However, I do think TG will retire the older 6 x 747-400s earlier than planned as they now have too many B777Ws, not to mention 3 more 787s this year.

I predict that LAX will be cut! The LAX's 777-200ER/300ER is back to operate other route.

However, opposed to many gurus' comment regarding A380, the 380 loads on FRA/CDG/NRT/KIX are healthy, way better than those speculations.

Rumor about TK wet-leasing 4 x TG 380s is one, if not many, laughable topic at TG head office!

We will see how it goes.  



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 17304 times:

According to ch-aviation TG will also sell both 747-400 converted freighters.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1682 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 17240 times:

Weren't some of the TG A300's damaged when the airport flooded a couple of years ago? I seem to recall pictures of them standing in water over the tops of their wheels.

The A345 is a gorgeous machine but definitely a niche aircraft. Possible South African would take them at a good price for some long, thin routes but my guess is they will be sold off individually as VVIP aircraft for governments or individuals. Wish I had the cash!

Didn't SQ manage to trade their A345's back to Boeing? Anyone know what happened to them since?



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16991 times:

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Yes, good for Airbus, but it remains sad that the unsuccessful A345 is a prettier plane than the inevitable bestseller A350.

Post of the thread! IMO, the 350 looks like it was built with the remnants of lesser aircraft...the proportions don't look right.

Back to the topic at hand...so Thai wants to dump the planes, what routes will they cut to compensate?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16222 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 16):
According to ch-aviation TG will also sell both 747-400 converted freighters.

Good luck, the market is full of them and they are among the oldest.

They have a number of old A330s and early 777s which wont last very long, so why arent they selling them if they need to raise money by selling old planes?


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15343 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Following last weeks announcement of large loss and negative outlook for 2014, the carrier has placed 18 frames for immediate sale.

May I suggest we start a collection and create A.net airlines. We can acquire a good mix of aircraft.

For our first base, I offer the utilization of PPT  
Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):
However, opposed to many gurus' comment regarding A380, the 380 loads on FRA/CDG/NRT/KIX are healthy, way better than those speculations.

And yet again, full planes done equal profits.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 18):
Back to the topic at hand...so Thai wants to dump the planes, what routes will they cut to compensate?

In thread about their 2013 loss, board member said company would reduce flying capacity 20-30% starting 2nd quarter.


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14843 times:

iirc, the A300 damaged at BKK in 2011 were HS-TAK and HS-TAL.

I believe they were scrapped in 2013.


User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14402 times:

Quoting na (Reply 12):
-737-400? The market is being flooded by them at the moment. If they are older than 20 years the scrappers will be the best clients for them.

True, but the ones with airframe life left in them are being snapped up for cargo conversion as fast as the doors can be slapped in them. Lots of 727s being replaced.



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User currently offlinekristiaand From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14321 times:
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Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 16):
According to ch-aviation TG will also sell both 747-400 converted freighters.

Do they still have full freighter aircraft on order or will they abandon the fullfreighter scene ?



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User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

I Guess if allowed 306's are going to IRA since they are commonly in service within Iranian airlines.
Im hoping / wishing the some of the 734's and 345's would also go to Iran if they could buy them.



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25 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here's the story: http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...o-sell-off-its-two-b747-freighters ATDB shows TG does not have any full freighter aircraft o
26 ist2014 : there is a definite need for all new birds in Iran. RJets, 737,320,330,340,777,787 even A380. All models will be welcomed by Iran but sanctions is a r
27 motorhussy : Non-disclosure of nuclear energy vs. weapons programme, human rights abuses, open declaration of aggression toward Israel - are the real problem, the
28 LAXintl : Here is an update on specific tails. A300-600R - c/n - 577, 629, 681, 705 avail immediately. A340-500 - c/n 624, 628, 698, 775 avail immediately B737-
29 Post contains images DeltaB717 : My mistake, I misread A300-600 as A340-600
30 na : Two of those were stored in the first half of last year already. Again hard to explain why they are trying to sell them now and not 12 months ago. We
31 motorhussy : Quite possibly held in reserve waiting for an upturn in the tourism/aviation/business sector but the recent political issues and violence will have e
32 Post contains images tristan7977 : Delta is what I'm hoping for the A345s or 6s
33 mcoflyer : The 744's are old. I wonder how much life is left in them. Some of the 734's leased from aercap were built in 98. I hope these a/c find new owners but
34 LAXintl : Hours/cycles on aircraft for sale: ATR 164 - 23189 / 34684 167 - 23374 / 39801 A300 577 - 53087 / 30212 629 - 51710 / 31151 681 - 47319 / 30897 705 -
35 na : Thanks for posting According to planespotters and airfleets two of those aging 744s are still active (the ones for sale are the oldest 744s in the fl
36 CF-CPI : Yes, and another post mentioned having six of them left. Why not park some of them and let the A340-600 fill in the gap? I had been hearing that the
37 bennett123 : Is it just me, or do the cycles on the ATR, A300 and B737 all look very high. CF-CPI AFAIK, the A340-600's are being kept. It is the A340-500's that a
38 KarelXWB : The 747s are double the age of the A340s and I expect they have been paid off. And with about 100 more seats, the 747 offers more revenue. Thai Airwa
39 LAXintl : They are primarily short-haul domestic birds.
40 bennett123 : Does anyone know what the maximum number of cycles is on the ATR, A300 and B737 Classic. MTIA.
41 B-HOP : I am sure ATR's can find good home and maybe the A300 either to IR or for F converison with start up, as those 734 I have serious doubt they will fly
42 Post contains links bennett123 : http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-240269.html Airbus LCF: A300 48,000 A300 B4 40,000 A300 B42 34,000 A300 B46 30,000 A310-200 40,000 A310-300
43 atct : I could see Empire picking them up as FedEx feeders.
44 jfk777 : The A340's would be good for AR or CO- Viasa. Perhaps SAA if they are cheap enough.
45 LAXintl : 2 x B747-400BCF MSN 24458 & 24459 have been added to the aircraft available for purchase.
46 777Jet : So they are selling the 345 that is currently used by the Government too... Will be sad to see Kamphaeng Phet go...
47 N14AZ : I thought it was in this thread but it seems it was in a previous thread where someone mentioned that the visual appearance is that in Bangkok there a
48 RyanairGuru : IIRC QF sold all of there's to some outfit in Miami, maybe for cargo conversion?
49 lightsaber : Even though they are old, if Thai accepts a fair price, they will sell. I agree the others are tough sales and IMHO are unlikely to fetch the debt on
50 na : No wonder when about 25 are for sale, and the market is maybe 8 frames a year maximum at the moment. Thai isnt very enduring with their cargo divisio
51 Post contains images Asiaflyer : Although TG might not have the highest WB utilization, that might be a bit deceiving. TG is flying almost only WBs, so alot of the short/medium haul
52 Post contains links A342 : Those figures don't seem to be accurate any more. According to an article in this Airbus Fast magazine, the Limit of Validity (LOV) has been extended
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