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A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 54997 times:
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As part 13 became quite long, it was locked down for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread.

Part 13 can be found here:

A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 13 (by SA7700 Feb 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Regards,

SA7700


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 54946 times:

The previous thread has been closed, I'll re-post my last message:

First pictures of MSN4 have been added to the database:


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Quoting StTim:

I presume a lot of the certification is not reliant on the battery type and only those that are will need to be covered by MSN0001 and 5.

MSN5 will be used for the certification flights with the EASA, route proving etc. The battery certification can be done with both MSN 1 and 5.

As MSN1 already completed 85% of if flying hours target, there is enough time to upgrade the a/c. It's always better to have a backup on standby.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 54432 times:

It seems MSN3 flew a "weird" path today.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh-FLLtCIAAMxlq.png:large

http://twitter.com/A350fans/status/441217715668131840/photo/1



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User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 54381 times:

'Airshow practice' flight path maybe?


It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4737 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 54174 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
As MSN1 already completed 85% of if flying hours target, there is enough time to upgrade the a/c. It's always better to have a backup on standby.

I would think MSN3 is also closing in on that percentage when it comes to the level of completion of the flight tests planned for that test plane as well?

And the smoothness of the program has given Airbus the opportunity to take their time with MSN1. To have a backup standing by is always a good thing at this stage of the flight testing.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 53970 times:

Next flight for MSN3:

http://fr24.com/AIB97GG



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User currently offlineRobertPhoenix From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 53520 times:

I'm so glad to see we are now on thread #14

Thread 13 had me worried  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 52623 times:

A photo of MSN4 taken today. Is it me or does this looks like a very sharp takeoff?


msn4 5/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB04NW 5/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 51549 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
A photo of MSN4 taken today. Is it me or does this looks like a very sharp takeoff

Probably testing the control laws that prevent a tailstrike. These are test flights.

Okie


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9101 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 51120 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 250):
Also has official certification flying started yet?

I do not think so, it is from what I understand due to start within the next 2 weeks. One of the aircraft is going to Hamburg for 2 weeks, that should be an indication it has started. In terms of hours, Airbus has presented some slides which give an indication of how much development and certification flying is planned for each airframe.

Numerous systems were already test flown prior to the A350 first flight, not all the testing will need to be demonstrated on the A350, the certification process is like an iceberg, the visible test flying is only part of it, a lot of aircraft is already met certification requirements, e.g. wing bending tests.

I assume that both battery types will be certified, the 787 solution is basically what Airbus already had on the A350. They are going for NiCad as a risk mitigation measure as they did not know how regulators would react to the Li issue.



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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 50825 times:

NiCad will be certified - Li may later according to Alonso.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 50470 times:

Certification flights should start when the MSN1 upgrade is completed.

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
One of the aircraft is going to Hamburg for 2 weeks, that should be an indication it has started.

I guess that will be MSN2, for cabin evacuation tests etc.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 50268 times:

> AIB98GG is flying over the Balearic Sea
> AIB003CF airborne at 8:59UTC



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 49392 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
> AIB98GG is flying over the Balearic Sea

=> landed at 13:15UTC



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 48652 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
I guess that will be MSN2, for cabin evacuation tests etc.

Any ideas why Airbus wasn't granted an exemption like Boeing?


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 48612 times:

CF back at 18h13LT

some photos :

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2065/12973990714_cc1608a8d5_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7352/12973715463_1a49c530ef_c.jpg


User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 48440 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
Any ideas why Airbus wasn't granted an exemption like Boeing?

Can a new passenger aircraft type be exempted from pax evacuation testing?


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 48428 times:

A350 size is not unique, layout isn't unique, doors I bet are standard. I wonder if an evacuation test will really tell them much. I am sure the individual cabin alyouts will have a bigger influence on evacuation times.

The A380 however definitely required an evacuation test.

Interesting to find out.


User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 48318 times:

Long flight, 9h+? for CF.

Quoting hivue (Reply 16):
Can a new passenger aircraft type be exempted from pax evacuation testing?

If I remember correctly, wasn't Boeing granted exemption on the 787 on the basis that since it carries about the same amount of passengers as the 767 had been tested to(?) and has more or less the same amount of doors, they had sufficiently proven it can be evacuated in time, so there's no need to do a 787 evac test. My recollection is probably not 100% and there's probably more to the story, but I think that's more or less it.


User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 48236 times:

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 18):
If I remember correctly, wasn't Boeing granted exemption on the 787 on the basis that since it carries about the same amount of passengers as the 767 had been tested to(?)

Looks like you are correct:
http://news.travelling.gr/2013/11/em...evacuation-a380-boeing-777-videos/
"Boeing avoided having to certify their new flagship 787 Dreamliner for rapid evacuation because it was determined to be similar enough in configuration to the Boeing 767."

I wonder about the 789.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 48205 times:

Today's flights:


msn3 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


msn2 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB03CF 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB003CF by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr


AIB003CF by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 47480 times:

AIB01GG just departed from TLS.

http://fr24.com/AIB01GG



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 46724 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
AIB01GG just departed from TLS.

The raccoon landed at 14:49UTC.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11675 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 46057 times:

A nice close-up of the MSN2 landing configuration:


Airbus A350-900 F-WWCF cn 002 by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr



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User currently offlinekmz From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 163 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 44851 times:

Hi there,

has any news emerged concerning the performance of the cabin systems? Or what exactly they are testing now concerning the cabin?

Cheers

kmz


25 SXI899 : Interestingly, MSN004 looks like it'll be visiting Spain tomorrow. AIB06NW is currently planned for a short hop Seville-Moron around midday. It'll obv
26 SXI899 : MSN002 is also heading out in a couple of hours. Going to Finkenwerder as AIB01CF.
27 Post contains links KarelXWB : AIB10GG is on the move, it seems we will have three aircraft into the air today. The A380 went to Seville-Moron for noise tests. http://www.airliners.
28 Post contains links KarelXWB : AIB10GG airborne at 9:08UTC. http://fr24.com/AIB10GG AIB06NW is also visible and on the move. http://planefinder.net/flight/AIB06NW
29 bobmuc : AIB10GG with take-off at 09:09 UTC today. Ok, Karel was quicker with 09:08 UTC.[Edited 2014-03-10 02:16:26]
30 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : AIB04CF is also lining-up. http://fr24.com/AIB04CF => airborne at 9:20UTC. [Edited 2014-03-10 02:21:14]
31 StTim : CF is now making it's way out to the runway as well.
32 KarelXWB : Callsign has changed to AIB01CF, airborne at 9:42UTC.
33 StTim : Looks like NW is heading back to Toulouse. Shortish flight.
34 KarelXWB : AIB06NW landed at 10:05UTC already. Let's see if they make a turn.
35 KarelXWB : Touchdown at 12:36UTC I think. If someone can confirm?[Edited 2014-03-10 05:39:34]
36 starbucks : "Assistant" says 12:34 UTC CF is holding over Lubeck... Low pass at HAM and then to XFW are among the rumors.[Edited 2014-03-10 05:57:37]
37 Post contains links KarelXWB : Low approach at HAM completed, now heading to Finky. [edit] And touchdown 13:29UTC. [edit2] AIB06NW is back online. http://fr24.com/AIB06NW[Edited 201
38 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN2 arriving in XFW: http://instagram.com/p/lXWF-pOrIB/ MSN4 second flight of the day is airborne at 14:11UTC: http://fr24.com/AIB07NW
39 StTim : GiGi has fired u for the second flight of the day - but is currently having a transponder code from an Iberian flight (IBE01GG)
40 Post contains links KarelXWB : Iberia A350 airborne at 14:34UTC. http://fr24.com/IB01GG [edit] Callsign has changed http://fr24.com/AIB01GG[Edited 2014-03-10 07:36:56]
41 Post contains images bobmuc : We had this before... Airbus is messing up the whole A350 test program again...
42 Post contains images teme82 : I won't mind if they would fly with AY code
43 Post contains links and images LittleOwl : Here is a video of the landing of MSN2 in Hamburg Finkenwerder:
44 Post contains links KarelXWB : Well, that happened today: MSN2 was flow to Hamburg. And according to a German website, MSN2 will spend two weeks in XFW for extensive cabin testing.
45 StTim : We seem to be missing GiGi's and NW's second flights today on the test tracker.
46 KarelXWB : > AIB07NW landed at 16:22UTC > AIB01GG landed at 19:03UTC
47 Post contains images starbucks : If you mean my logbook, had to work... And it was one hell of a busy day.. -_-' I'll fill them in the next few minutes That was something I have been
48 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN4 is on its way to Seville-Moron. http://fr24.com/AIB07NW
49 bobmuc : And has landed at 09:09 UTC.
50 Post contains links BREmer : For those of you who missed MSN2 yesterday at XFW: The aircraft WILL stay in Hamburg for the next two weeks for ground and air testing. Scheduled to d
51 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Touchdown at 9:09UTC. MSN2 first test flight from XFW scheduled tomorrow 09:30 local time.
52 Post contains images starbucks : Looks like Airbus took the opportunity to make a quick visit to Airbus Military at SVQ (Seville)
53 Post contains links KarelXWB : Golf-Golf is also awake. http://planefinder.net/flight/FWZGG
54 Post contains links KarelXWB : More information about MSN2 tests on this German website: http://www.hamburg-aviation.de/de/pr...e-landung-auf-deutschem-boden.html I used Google Tran
55 StTim : NW is test flying down in Spain at the moment. Take off 10:33 UTC
56 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN4 is doing touch & go's at OZP.
57 KarelXWB : After doing tests at Morón Air Base, MSN4 landed back at SVQ at 13:02UTC.
58 StTim : NW departed 18:52 Zulu and is still buzzing Macon.
59 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Touchdown 21:34UTC. I wonder when they will go home? [Edited 2014-03-11 14:34:32]
60 bobmuc : MSN4 is still/again doing circles over southern spain.
61 Post contains links and images starbucks : Couple of pics/videos from from Seville via Le Twitter: Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mDtqCMtnU[Edited 2014-03-11 15:27:22]
62 SXI899 : AIB05NW is planned to be doing approaches at Moron AB from about 0045L onwards for 4 hours or so. Then planned to head back to Seville as AIB06NW at
63 KarelXWB : Is that the schedule for tomorrow? For today I have: > AIB07NW: TLS-SVQ 7:49 - 9:09 > AIB04NW: SVQ-OZP-SVQ 10:33 - 13:02 > AIB04NW: SVQ-OZP-
64 Post contains links bobmuc : Some more "marketing" news from Airbus. The new issue from the A350XWB magazine is online: http://www.a350xwb.com/x-tra/magazine-05/
65 SXI899 : Confirmed. For tomorrow. The first AIB04NW for today was two separate flights: > AIB04NW: SVQ-OZP 10:33 - 10:57 > AIB04NW: OZP-SVQ 12:44 - 13:0
66 Post contains images thunderboltdrgn : You know I wouldn't mind if they skipped that westward turn, an continued on that north easterly course to an airport near me. I don't know if my sma
67 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Some short videos of MSN 4 at Seville: http://youtu.be/DwV9P3jmYdA http://youtu.be/v_mDtqCMtnU
68 bycac : GG back to the sky this morning take off 07h47UTC
69 KarelXWB : And landed at 8:34UTC.
70 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here we go: http://fr24.com/AIB05CF
71 Post contains links KarelXWB : Et hop, another test flight for Golf-Golf. http://planefinder.net/flight/AIB02GG http://fr24.com/AIB02GG Departed 10:26UTC.
72 StTim : Looks like GiGi is heading back to the skies. Wonder if they had a little glitch requiring the return to base.
73 Post contains links and images Part147 : And a lovely pic in the A.net database now! View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent
74 Post contains images thunderboltdrgn : Bah! It went over and Denmark and Norway but skipped Sweden. Big booohh to Airbus.
75 Post contains images mucdude : Circle for AIB05CF almost completed:
76 Post contains links and images BREmer : Is it going to be a fly-by or landing in Hamburg before going north-east? Seems she's coming back now http://twitter.com/HAM_aviation/status/44376848
77 Post contains images BREmer : mucdude just beat me by a second
78 KarelXWB : AIB02GG landed at 15:40UTC.
79 Post contains links BREmer : ... and AIB05CF is going for another round over Scandinavia http://twitter.com/HAM_aviation/status/443775776614133760/photo/1
80 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : AIB05CF landed at 18:16UTC in XFW. Touchdown in the dark: A350 F-WWCF by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
81 bobmuc : AIB04NW just landed back in SVQ at 21:13 UTC.
82 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : AIB04NW finished another set of trails, SVQ-OZP-SVQ from 16:50 to 21:13 UTC. [Edited 2014-03-12 14:17:07]
83 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN4 and an A400M in SVQ: http://elcorreoweb.es/2014/03/11/san...na-del-nuevo-avion-a350-de-airbus/
84 BoeingVista : AIB03GG is up running, take off about 5 minutes ago. Call it 08:15 UTC[Edited 2014-03-13 01:23:45]
85 KarelXWB : AIB05NW confirmed, departed just after midnight and landed back at 5:51 this morning. No sign of AIB06NW.[Edited 2014-03-13 01:38:31]
86 BoeingVista : I don't remember any A350 night ops, is this a first?
87 EPA001 : They have flown in the dark before. But this might indeed be the first full night flight? Anyone?
88 starbucks : Saying without checking.... The Martinique -> Toulouse ferry was through the night (2300Z -> 0700Z I believe) Same for the Iqaluit -> Toulou
89 StTim : I see a Beluga has just landed in Seville. Is this a normal run or does NW need some new parts?
90 Post contains images starbucks : A400M parts I guess?
91 KarelXWB : It's normal, the A400M final assembly line is located in Seville.
92 StTim : Ah - good. Thought it probably was a normal run but not seen one head there before.
93 KarelXWB : Beluga activity around Seville should increase once A400M production goes up.
94 KarelXWB : MSN2 is scheduled for another long test flight tomorrow.
95 StTim : NW is doing more noise flights in Southern Spain at the moment. The hours are starting to really accelerate. It will be even more noticeable when WiBi
96 CrimsonChin : Another TLS-TLS roundtrip? Do you have any idea how long?
97 KarelXWB : MSN2 is stationed in XFW, the round-trip is scheduled from 09:00 to 17:30.
98 KarelXWB : It seems AIB04NW departed from OZP, there must have been another flight from SVQ to OZP earlier today. Correct. The difference being, those were ferr
99 Coronado : I have not told you ''Fantastic Job'' before on the google docs A350 test flight log book, but I will: Fantastic Job, I am sure it is getting ever mo
100 ThunderboltDrgn : GiGi seems to be awake and taxiing as AIB05GG.
101 StTim : GiGi is up and flying as AIB05GG already. Not sure what time NW finished it's noise tests last night but it was quite late. Should pass 50% of hours t
102 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN2 is in the air: http://fr24.com/AIB06CF Departed 8:44, ahead of schedule.[Edited 2014-03-14 02:25:14]
103 starbucks : Tried to figure out the MSN4 times from last night... AIB04NW took off around 20:30Z and landed around 00:20Z this morning SVQ - SVQ AIB05NW took off
104 KarelXWB : I have departure at 20:26 and landing at 00:21. I have the same.
105 poolkeeper : AIB06GG just took off for a second round today
106 bobmuc : Second run for GiGi as AIB06GG with take-off at 15:27 UTC. CF is flying over Germany, heading back to XFW. I think AIB06CF is the flight reaching 50%
107 BoeingVista : Just about to complete another circuit of Western Europe.. These A350's love to fly..
108 StTim : Looks like 2 is flying on - still flying at FL380
109 KarelXWB : MSN2 will not land immediately, the flight will continue for another 2-3 hours, adding almost 10 hours to the campaign.
110 poolkeeper : I wonder if they are going to let GG to fly some of the tests that were planned for WB as the original test plan did not have a break for WB for batte
111 Post contains images bobmuc : I don't mind...
112 KarelXWB : MSN2 is now flying at FL430.
113 BoeingVista : Somebody was complaining that the A350 didn't visit Sweden yesterday, looks like the test programe is taking requests.
114 Post contains images ThunderboltDrgn : That would be me. But no they're still keeping clear of Swedish airspace, going back fort between D, DK and NO. *edit CF on her way home. landend at
115 KarelXWB : Both GG and CF are back on the ground. > AIB06CF departed at 8:44 and landed at 18:16 > AIB05GG departed at 8:08 and landed at 13:39 > AIB06G
116 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN2 touchdown today in XFW with cabin lights on. A350 F-WWCF by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr A350 F-WWCF by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
117 StTim : NW is off doing more noise testing in southern Spain.
118 KarelXWB : Departed around 19:35UTC it seems. So the crew is sleeping during the day, and doing flight testing at night.[Edited 2014-03-14 13:00:26]
119 StTim : I think we may have a testing first today. If I am not mistaken the three test frames flying will mark up 24 hours of testing today.
120 Post contains images EK17 : Why do we have to wait so long to see the cabin of MSN2? Is there a specific reason for having or wait until April? I can't believe how fast MSN2 and
121 CrimsonChin : I assume April might be when Airbus starts the official cabin test flights with actual people? I remember they did the same for the A380 when Airbus e
122 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : A nice video of the test flights in Bolivia and Canada: http://videos.airbus.com/video/910721268cds.html And here's a video showing how the staff work
123 Aircellist : I almost can't believe how those things are building up hours!
124 Post contains links and images bycac : CF passing over us this afternoon at 38000ft !!
125 Part147 : Fantastic silhouette!
126 KarelXWB : And landed at 23:30UTC. Let's see, for today we have: > MSN2: 9H32m > MSN3: 5H31m + 2H40m > MSN4: 0H21m + 4H15m + 3H55m You are right, about
127 KarelXWB : AIB05NW departed around 1:05 and landed back at 4:17 last night.
128 StTim : GiGi is busy flying around southern France at the moment. Take off around 08:33 Z
129 Post contains images bobmuc : AIB07GG has landed at 12:07 UTC. At 1:46 we can even see the all new advanced coffee-maker for the XWB...
130 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN4 is airborne again http://fr24.com/AIB04NW
131 StTim : More noise testing. Does anyone know how long this element of the campaign may last?
132 StTim : My my. NW is test flying on a Sunday. Airbus doesn't schedule much test flying on a Sunday so they must be trying to finish the campaign down in Spain
133 Post contains links and images starbucks : Can't find her though... Just found this nice video of Al Bakers visit to TLS in February..., some nice footage from inside MSN6 http://www.aeronewst
134 StTim : I know - she was up for a while as AIB04NW. I got the flight radar 24 alert and did see her up for a while. I wonder if she was just positioning to th
135 schwege : My apologies, the assistant was having an unscheduled and unsolicited break approx 0430 - 1600 Z.
136 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Nice find, the video also shows a bit of the MSN4 cabin. In case one wonders what a "light test aircraft" means: You can see a few seats and the wate
137 KarelXWB : > AIB04NW: SVQ-OZP 13:14 - 13:24 UTC > AIB05NW: OZP-SVQ 18:35 - 18:59 UTC
138 bobmuc : Monday morning and GiGi is preparing for daily work as AIB08GG. EDIT: With take-off at 08:26 UTC.[Edited 2014-03-17 01:28:32]
139 StTim : So I suspect that yesterday NW was doing taxi and other ground operations noise tests at OZP. Do these count to the hours I wonder?
140 SXI899 : Off to Châteauroux. AIB07CF is planned for another lap of Europe, same rough routing as last time.
141 SASDC8 : Does anyone have aprox takeoff time for this flight?
142 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN4 is scheduled to visit Puerto Real, Illescas and Getafe today. http://twitter.com/flynewsmagazine/status/445464003478028288 [Edited 2014-03-17 02:
143 Post contains images KarelXWB : Are you sure? MSN3 just departed from TLS.
144 bobmuc : Yes, GG did one circle and landed around 08:43 UTC.
145 StTim : I saw FR24 reporting GiGi airbourne before 09:00Z NW is airbour and heading towards Cadiz on it's tour.
146 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Thanks. In the meantime, MSN4 is on its way to visit the factories.
147 KarelXWB : Disappeared around Châteauroux at 9:53.
148 StTim : And now CF starts her third European tour. Still waiting for WiBi to come back on line.
149 starbucks : The tour was the end of MSN4's trip to Spain (as I expected)..., passed the French border again and descending to TLS. MSN3 is finished at CHR and fly
150 Post contains images LN-KGL : Start of CF's third European tour that StTim mentioned.
151 Marquis : F-WZGG as AIB09GG is airborne again at 14.12 UTC.
152 KarelXWB : She's still on the ground, second RTO. [edit] Airborne now at 14:23.[Edited 2014-03-17 07:25:27]
153 poolkeeper : GiGi flying at 2800ft, what kind of test is done at that altitude? Back and forth over the fields... crop dusting?[Edited 2014-03-17 09:23:34]
154 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : A few nice shots of MSN3 taken today: msn3 17/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn3 17/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr AIB108GG 17/3/2014 by A380
155 poolkeeper : GiGi landed UTC 17.55
156 bobmuc : AIB07CF has landed back in XFW at 18:37 UTC.
157 CrimsonChin : Those engines are deceptively huge. Trying to figure out why they look smaller than they actually are.
158 Post contains links bobmuc : I think the XWB is well proportioned and the whole airplane normally looks smaller then it is! Just look at some pictures, where you can compare the
159 EK17 : I think another thing is that because the A350 has much larger windows than any other Airbus aircraft, it makes it look much smaller than it actually
160 KarelXWB : The A350 is bigger than people would assume. The wing span alone is the same as the 777-300ER, and the A350-1000 will have the same fuselage length a
161 Post contains images Leeloo : Good Evening, May i just step in and ask you "professionals" a question It's truly a remarkable machine in every aspect and i follow the progress clos
162 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN2 above TLS today: AIB07CF 17/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr As far as I know, it's a cosmetic feature only so it's up to the customer to decid
163 Post contains links and images EK17 : I don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but here's a picture of MSN1 taken sometime this month. If it was taken a few days ago (there is no date) th
164 CrimsonChin : Yeah, it really does drive home the size when you see it in comparison to other things. I remember when it first rolled out, I thought it actually lo
165 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN1 on the move today. msn1 18/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
166 CrimsonChin : Do you have any idea from where to where? From where it was undergoing the upgrades back to the flight test line perhaps?
167 StTim : Just look at the respective engine sizes between the 146 (ok it is probably an RJ100) and the A350 way further away from the camera.
168 StTim : After a day of no test flying (from what I could see) it looks like at least CF is off on another tour of Europe.
169 Speedbird128 : Its unlikely to be that recent, as there have been screening delays due to another successful upgrade needing fixing, so it could easily be some week
170 817Dreamliiner : And surprise surprise, there's no date on the photo... I really hate when photographers do that, But they obviously have some reason to do it...
171 Post contains images EK17 : Phew, I'm glad about that, I really want to see her back up in the air again. I've kind of missed her! Which aircraft will be doing the extreme tempe
172 EK17 : Now looks to be turning back...
173 Post contains links and images BREmer : MSN2 is doing rounds over the North Sea right now. Shame we have cloudy skies at the moment. http://twitter.com/HAM_aviation/status/446219209450590208
174 KarelXWB : MSN3 will undergo extreme temperature tests at the McKinley Climatic Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. The hot weather campaign in the M
175 Post contains links starbucks : Same photographer has uploaded more photos from TLS this month, http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...y%20Petrov%20-%20RuSpotters%20Team Including S
176 Post contains images EK17 : Thanks for clearing that up! They may have all been taken on March 5th, which would make sense that MSN1 was mostly in one piece yesterday. Is there
177 Speedbird128 : Thanks for the sleuthing...!!!
178 KarelXWB : It was towed to another hangar. I assume the new battery system will be tested inside the big C63 hangar first.[Edited 2014-03-19 03:22:55]
179 Post contains links KarelXWB : The Aircraft Interiors Expo in Hamburg early next month is the perfect moment to unveil the cabin. http://www.aircraftinteriorsexpo.com/
180 EK17 : AIB08CF touchdown in XFW at 17:49 UTC.
181 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN2 arriving in XFW today. A350 F-WWCF by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
182 Speedbird128 : Me too! How inconsiderate of them!
183 Post contains images EK17 : Haha, in all seriousness I get really annoyed because the route MSN 2 keeps taking on its eurotrip is only about 60 miles from where I live, if only
184 bobmuc : NW is up in the air since a couple of minutes as AIB19NW. No idea how Airbus has calculated the "19".
185 KarelXWB : Despite the different callsigns in Spain, I believe it's the 19th flight of MSN4.
186 StTim : According to the excellent log it is actually the 20th flight for NW.
187 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN1 is back on the flightline. msn1 20/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
188 bobmuc : Take-off for AIB19NW was at 09:22 UTC.
189 bobmuc : AIB19NW back at 17:43 UTC.
190 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The landing of AIB19NW today: Airbus A350-900 cn 004 F-WZNW by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr AIB19NW 20/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr Airbus A350-900
191 Post contains links KarelXWB : Next cabin test flight. http://fr24.com/AIB09CF [edit] And MSN4 is airborne as well, 8:36UTC. http://fr24.com/AIB20NW[Edited 2014-03-21 01:37:41]
192 speedygonzales : A much more northerly route for CF today, currently near KSU.
193 Post contains images JeanXFW : Hi guys! After some good times reading you, I finally jump in and join you on A.net! And for my first post, I really must start with a big 'thank you'
194 speedygonzales : CF just passed BOO. Is this the first time an A350 has been north of the Arctic Circle?
195 overcast : Not the first time, GG went to Iqaluit in Canada earlier this year. But this is now the furthest North the A350 has been. Just approaching Tromso at
196 KarelXWB : AIB20NW back at 10:38UTC.
197 Post contains images starbucks : But since Iqaluit is situated at approx 63 degrees North and the Arctic Circle is defined as 66 degrees, 33 minutes and 44 seconds North, this is the
198 LN-KGL : Iqaluit is only at 63°45′24″N while the Polar Circle is at 66°33′44″N.
199 overcast : My bad, I stand corrected!
200 Post contains images LN-KGL : Charlie Foxtrot turned to the south again - max 70.245 degrees to the North
201 Post contains links BREmer : Coming back it seems http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB09CF
202 Post contains links KarelXWB : AIB21NW is coming online. http://planefinder.net/flight/AIB21NW AIB09CF is heading for the Swiss border, on its way back to TLS perhaps? [edit] MSN1 i
203 StTim : WiBi transponder is also visible on the flight line (using planefinder)
204 Post contains links KarelXWB : In the air at 14:24UTC. http://fr24.com/AIB21NW
205 Post contains links and images BREmer : So, guys.... MSN2 came into XFW on Monday 10/3 and the info was that it would stay for two weeks (see http://twitter.com/HAM_aviation/status/443312213
206 SXI899 : Correct, plan was to return to Toulouse.
207 KarelXWB : > AIB21NW landed at 16:23 > AIB09CF landed at 16:52
208 Post contains links and images LittleOwl : That was really an amazing takeoff of Charlie Foxtrot today in XFW before returning to Toulouse. Here is a video of its departure:
209 EPA001 : Great video! Thanks for posting!
210 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Nicely done sir. That explains the sharp turn I saw on FR24 this morning, I thought it was a glitch. A350-900 Carbon Livery-0325 by Daniel D.346, on
211 Post contains images starbucks : While looking up the times from the second flight of MSN4 using "the assistant" I noticed that there was also an update of the WiBi folder. MSN1 was a
212 Post contains images starbucks : Earlier than I expected... WiBI is back!! AIB46WB 08:07Z //edit: clearly wasn't awake yet, posted local time [Edited 2014-03-22 01:21:58]
213 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN1 first flight with the new battery system. msn1 22/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr msn1 22/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr AIB146WB 22/3/201
214 ap305 : Some strange looking stuff on the leading edge inboard and outboard.
215 OldAeroGuy : It looks like artificial ice. The v-tail and h-tail also seems to have it as well. Will this be the first cert testing for MSN1 or a developmental in
216 starbucks : I guess certification.... We've seen artificial ice on MSN1 before, So if it's back now...
217 Post contains links KarelXWB : First artificial ice trails were done in November last year. http://bloga350.blogspot.com/2013/11...rst-prototype-msn1-celebrates.html
218 StTim : So what do we think is next for the A450 test schedule? MSN0001 is back on line - with artificial ice again. Do we know if they managed to get natural
219 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : The reason I ask the question is that the ice protection system operating artificial ice shapes appear to have changed. In Reply 6 of this thread, A3
220 OldAeroGuy : Also, after looking at the vertical tail in Reply 213, it looks like there are some additions to the vertical tail forward of the rudder hinge line. V
221 ferpe : It looks like vortex generators but why add these this late? They should have come on the plane early autumn last year when they were also playing wi
222 OldAeroGuy : Going for more rudder effectiveness now that Vmcg cert is at hand?
223 Post contains links and images zeke : Does it ? Notice the color or the cowl as well.
224 OldAeroGuy : Also notice the missing panel on the v tail. Removed for VG installation?
225 zeke : The panel is still there, it is hinged open (click on the photo to enlarge). I suspect the VGs that you claim to be seeing are northing more than the
226 OldAeroGuy : Then why weren't they visible in pictures prior to the lay up? They may not be VG's but the appearance of the v tail has changed.
227 Post contains links and images zeke : The great Airbus conspiracy thickens again.... P.S. You can also see UFOs and Elvis in the photos if you look hard enough.
228 OldAeroGuy : Sorry Zeke, I fail to see your point. No conspiracy implied, just a simple question. The v tail pictures in Reply 227 don't look like the v tail pict
229 Post contains images zeke : I have no idea what you are talking about, these shots were taken on Jan 30, 2014
230 BoeingVista : I spotted the marks above that looked like VG's had been attached and removed on MSN1 but there are no vortex generators on MSN2 or MSN4 so I assume/
231 KarelXWB : Two flights for MSN4 today: AIB22NW and AIB23NW.
232 Post contains links and images bycac : For AIB22NW :
233 Post contains links and images EK17 : Here's an image of AIB23NW: Edit: Fixed image link.[Edited 2014-03-24 10:40:20]
234 bobmuc : FR24 playback was not 100% correct at this time, but AIB23NW was back at around 16:40 UTC.
235 schwege : Looks like they changed their callsign to FWZNW at that point, and then kept on doing circles / touch&go's at TLS until finally landing at 18:00Z
236 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It made a few more laps with a different callsign, final touchdown at 18:01UTC.
237 Post contains links and images Part147 : View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent A quick question… is that an outflow valve on the lower centerline halfway along the forward fuselage? I on
238 Post contains images poolkeeper : Night activity:
239 Post contains links KarelXWB : Looks like an engine run test. [edit] MSN2 now airborne on its 10th flight (9:02UTC). http://fr24.com/AIB10CF[Edited 2014-03-25 02:03:01]
240 bobmuc : WB is preparing for next flight too: AIB47WB
241 Post contains links KarelXWB : Next flight for MSN1, airborne at 13:53UTC. http://fr24.com/AIB47WB
242 Coronado : I have CF landed at 14:56 UTC. Another good day of work. And nice to see WB back in business. Question what happens to test program if France ATC has
243 Coronado : Nice to see WB back at 17:18 UTC after almost 5 1/2 hours in the air. About 40 minutes before landing it seems to have done a actual touch and go or w
244 KarelXWB : It looked like a touch & go to me, although hard to tell indeed.
245 schwege : The lowest altitude reading caught by the assistant during the "fly-by" is 575 ft, and the approximate pressure elevation for LFBO at time of landing
246 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It was a bit rainy today. Washing runway by Fox Charlie by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr
247 Coronado : In the post above I assume the identifier Fox Charlie is the last name, first name moniker for Charlie Fox aka Carbon Fiber aka Coon Face!
248 mjoelnir : 232,1 Block hours this month up to now, biggest month in test flight hours for the A350 program.
249 KarelXWB : MSN4 also completed 20% of its target, 1 month after first flight.[Edited 2014-03-25 12:48:21]
250 bobmuc : AIB48WB with take-off at 7:49 UTC today.
251 KarelXWB : And AIB10GG airborne at 9:14UTC.
252 StTim : And GiGi is the next test frame to go and play wiith the clouds. Take of at 09:14Z I wonder if all frames will get an outing today/
253 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN4 was towed to a taxiway nearby the A380 buildings this morning. I understood it will stay here for two weeks. No idea what kind of tests will be d
254 bobmuc : WiBi is on the run again - 2nd take-off at 14:53 UTC; AIB49WB My feeling is, that WB will easily reach the "planned" test time of 800h and Airbus will
255 KarelXWB : MSN3 is also back online, preparing for the 2nd flight today as AIB11GG.
256 bobmuc : And take-off at 15:21 UTC.
257 KarelXWB : Both WB and GG have completed +- 85% of their target. GG needs less than 100 hours to complete. Theoretically both aircraft can fly the remaining hou
258 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked down for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purpos
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