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American Unveils New 767 Business Class  
User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32793 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25761 times:

American has unveiled it's new business class on the 767-300ER:

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...n-service-in-april/comment-page-1/

No surprise, as expected, it's the same lie flats everybody uses on the 767s, but by the pictures, AA has stepped it up with interior materials. I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Service begins April 1st on JFK-ZRH, with the product rolling out across 30 aircraft in the fleet over the year.


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User currently onlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25753 times:
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Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25465 times:

Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25384 times:

I like it better than Delta's 767 B/E cabin, just having the woodgrain warms the cabin a bit.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4471 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25273 times:

It's nice enough. What will still keep me away is not knowing whether I'll get one of the old configuration 763s or the new ones.

User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 25194 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

I had read somewhere that they would still be using the Galaxy tablets in J. Can somebody confirm this?. . .Also, it looks like Y will simply be getting "drop down lcd's" (how fancy). Clearly and improvement over the old CRT's, but still unfortunate that they chose not to go with in seat IFE.

This J cabin is definitely an improvement over what they have now. I think having your own surface space and not having to be cautious of spilling your seatmates drink is a huge plus. I always hated being in ultra close proximity of a seatmate, so this is a step up.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11641 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 25151 times:

Looks pretty nice - and obviously long overdue. I still contend that many of these 763s may well end up plying former US routes out of PHL/CLT - particularly those flown by US 762s now.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

Y. It was already announced that Y would not get AVOD.


User currently offlinea380787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 25064 times:

looks identical to LX/AC/SN product .... excellent choice ... makes the PMUA 2-2-2 J look like ancient junk

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 25016 times:

It looks very nice. They took a page out of the DL playbook.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8548 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24956 times:

Who is the provider of the international WiFi they mentioned, and what is the technology used?

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24919 times:

The cabin definitely looks nice! The seats remind me of front seats you might find in a sport/luxury sedan.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25429 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24801 times:

Certainly an improvement over current offering which I go out of my way to avoid, and result don't fly overseas on AA even as an EXP.


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User currently offline747d10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24734 times:

The article doesn't mention anything about coach overhead bins. I wonder if they will be upgraded to match the business class bins.


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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24613 times:
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I'd say it looks good if industrial. I'm not a big fan of Gray seats, not on American Not on United NOPLACE!
I'm surprised they're keeping the overhead drop down LCD screens.
With wifi on board I thought Streaming Video was the rage.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24587 times:

Good on AA, about time. And bravo on them for balancing cap-ex with a product that looks finished (vs. DL's 767 seat which is common DL stock).

That said, the seat itself is horridly uncomfortable and narrow. I never thought I'd say it but I prefer AF's NEV3/4 seat to this flat-bed option.



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User currently offlinelongisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23675 times:

Nice product for the 767. It has been speculated on here that the 763 and 77E will get the same J product. IMHO, I think that is disappointing. The 77E should be getting the 77W J seat.

User currently offlinesassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23332 times:

It is a bit dreary and underwhelming to read about this! Alternative threads tell us about the new QR cabin in the A380, Lufthansa's new business class offer, Skymark's new all Y+ to mention but 3.

AA's new B767 interiors! How exciting! Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!


User currently offlinetrianglegis21 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23135 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

With smartphones and tablet computers at my disposal, I generally don't find PTVs to be all that necessary with the exception of the longest flights in the network (like say, DFW-HKG or ORD-PEK). It's a nice luxury, and I think it's a mistake that they don't offer it for competitive reasons, but I can personally deal without it for a European hop.


User currently offline777stl From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3650 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23137 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!

I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22828 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

According to airchive.com, there will be no in-seat entertainment. WiFi and tablets will be available.

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/07/...irlines-unveils-new-767-300-cabin/

Quote:
The real surprise, however, is that American will not introduce built-in inflight entertainment (IFE) in either cabin on the reconfigured aircraft. Instead business passengers will receive a Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet device. The airline currently offers the device to first/business passengers on select routes served by 737-800, 767-200/300, and 757 type aircraft. Presumably economy passengers will watch whatever is on the overhead screens.



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User currently offlinesassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22824 times:

Quoting 777stl (Reply 18):
I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.

What a silly comment! Perhaps you should at least ask me about my travel patterns and frequencies before venturing that remark!

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

AA got my trip 10 years ago. Never again!


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22672 times:
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The new 767 J class is something we have seen on Delta 764ER. The new AA A321T has the J class seat commonly founf on Comtinental airplanes. The new 77W have the Cathay J class which is the leader right now, even Air France is going with that seat. WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat. But what I find inconsistent is why doesn'T AA have the same seat all the way across the fleet like BA does with Club World.

User currently offlinetrianglegis21 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22668 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

Think before you make an overly rash statement like that, and think about what makes the A321s/B77Ws interior plans different from the B763 retrofits. Exactly, age and marginal cost differences. The high costs of upgrading the electronics necessary to install full-scale AVOD on these planes may not be worth it for AA if there are plans to eventually phase the aircraft out in the medium-term with a true high-tech plane.


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22464 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):
AA got my trip 10 years ago. Never again!

Never again sounds like your mind is made up. So it wouldn't matter what AA did, you would never fly them again. So why let it bother you how their cabins are designed. That's the beauty, you still have a choice! Does AA miss your $, of course, they'd love to have ALL your business.. But they don't. So they try and appeal to others. Its working.

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31007 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22455 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Thread starter):
I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Are they as narrow as the 19" seats in 2+2+2 found on other 767s?

Then again, even if they are 19", you do get a fair amount of "spread out" room with the side tables.


25 N1120A : I think the seat looks good, though the staggering is a bit odd. At least its not as dense as UA. Too bad they couldn't do the same seat as the 77W, w
26 Mah4546 : It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.
27 commavia : That may well be the outcome. I just commented the other day in another thread that I think AA may well keep more 763s around and reconfigure the jet
28 Post contains links jayunited : You didn't read it correctly the article states that their will be drop down LCD screens in the main cabin here is the direct quote from the article.
29 stgs1988 : Hi, What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject? Recaro of Germany?
30 N62NA : When these 763s inevitably do a domestic run, will the WiFi be available?
31 Post contains images Acey559 : I guess my assumption was incorrect. That's what I get for assuming, I suppose. Thanks for the info.
32 N1120A : Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W? Which is fine, I guess, but there is a big gap between the A332 and the 762ER.
33 Viscount724 : AC's 763 J product is nothing like that, it's "herringbone".
34 Stitch : Maybe it won't fit? The 777 is a fair bit wider than the 767.
35 peanuts : Nice improvement! Who says US airliners are in a race for the bottom??? Out of their minds they are! US airline majors have been to hell and back. The
36 N1120A : I was referencing the 772
37 Mah4546 : Because they are designing a presumably better one. The only reason the 77W has the seats it does was because it was a rush job and those could be fa
38 HELyes : Looks like the Zodiac UK Vantage seats, similar than Finnair and Swiss? have.
39 piedmont727 : I will be flying the 767-300 in late April , hopefully I get lucky with a new interior aircraft , glad to see AA upgrading
40 trex8 : Definitely Vantage system, or an incredible rip off!
41 United1 : ...AC is using the same product as AA is on their new 77Ws....the high density ones.
42 peergynt : Are they serious???? Those brand new 767???!!!!!!
43 jfk777 : Why would AA use a different seat for their 77E fleet ? The 77W seat came from Cathay Pacific and has to be the best in the world right now, even Air
44 commavia : My guess is that AA may want a J seat that allows a configuration holding the already-announced 45, but without sacrificing as much square footage in
45 CF-CPI : It's a bit office-like, but the beige and wood grain add some warmth relative to DL. From AA's announcement, it sounds as if some of the 767-323s will
46 justplanenutz : OK, so let's tie all of the 763 mods up in one place. 58 total in fleet--of which: 9 delivered with 777-style interior, the rest received new bins/pan
47 crAAzy : While nice, I think people need to remember that has the 787 been on time, we'd be talking about these birds like we've been talking about the 762s fo
48 LipeGIG : I believe the other 28 will be replaced by 788's Then the current missions where the 763 is deployed (Deep South America and Europe) probably will be
49 jumpjets : Not strictly true - whilst all BA club world are lie flat seats there are different types There is the 'standard' seat for most wide bodies, though I
50 PRAirbus : Do we know if this AA 763 retrofit involves updating the over head bins in Main Cabin and the RECARO side wall panels?
51 Mah4546 : That will not be the case. The 772 J seat will take up more space than the 77W J seat.
52 Post contains images uberflieger : The Good Excellent Business Class seats with material and color choices creating a contemporary, upscale ambiance. International Wi-Fi is sweet, very
53 Mah4546 : Leather seats on a long-haul plane is never a good idea. Not even the A321s have leather - because they suck for long-haul. The original plan was tha
54 oc2dc : AA stated it has room to accelerate or slow down 763 retirements depending on their needs. We may very well see some older 763s stick around for a ta
55 N62NA : Yep. That's key. But... since they'll have international WiFi, then it's possible at least for parts of the flight to login to one of the tracking si
56 DfwRevolution : I haven't flown AA in ages, but on Southwest flights with WiFi, the free website will show a moving map with your flight information.
57 Post contains images uberflieger : If that's the case I'll give it a Totally agree and only mentioned it to highlight the total investment American is making in its domestic short &
58 N1120A : Yep. Herringbone is kind of a space hog - not to mention it sucks if you like the window. That would truly be amazing. Making it even more ridiculous
59 Post contains links LAXintl : Cranky Flier has a story this week on the refreshed 763s including comments from Andrew Nocella SVP and Chief Marketing Officer. Some highlights: o Mo
60 Post contains images uberflieger : The clues were all there. For an airline focused on becoming an onboard leader to do the absolute minimum investment? The 767s will be long gone and
61 justplanenutz : Thanks--that fills in a lot of the gaps about 767 plans.
62 realsim : This makes sense given that AA will have 42 787s by 2018 that will more than replace the ~33 763s that will not get the new interiors and also replac
63 uberflieger : When are the first A350s scheduled to join the fleet? I seem to remember 2017?
64 commavia : Interesting. Guess that makes sense. Surprised they still couldn't just get rid of the 762s sooner, though. BSB seems like a logical market to upgaug
65 USAirALB : The US ETOPS 757 East fleet are some of the newest 757s in the skies. Most were delivered in the late 1990s, and aren't a bad ride. The US ETOPS 757
66 realsim : This year it's impossible unless the cancel all the TATL expansion announced for this summer ex CLT, which they won't given that it was announced by
67 AMALH747430 : Hi all. I have been visiting this forum for over a decade and decided it was time to pay up and become a member. This is a topic that has intrigued me
68 N62NA : I would agree - IF they were planning on keeping them around for 7 or more years. But since they're not, I can see why they aren't doing real upgrade
69 Post contains images commavia : It was a short sighted decision, I agree, as at that time those 767s still had another decade or more of flying left in them. I'm not so sure. I'll g
70 qqflyboy : This is a change from the previous fleet plan announced last year, where 763 a/c were in the fleet at least through 2020. Since AA is not going to up
71 Mah4546 : So does almost the entire AA 757 fleet - very few are left with the old interior, most have the new interior that the 75Ls have, only difference bein
72 DocLightning : Looks as if the center overhead bins are going to be omitted in this Boeing Signature overhead. Makes sense. Two side bins per row with 4 pax per row
73 N1120A : Yeah, are they any Eisenhower interiors still flying? Ooof. Its always a bad idea to dump the center overheads.
74 DocLightning : Why? If there is already plenty of storage, why carry the extra weight?
75 AMALH747430 : I don't recall the 777 style center overhead bins hanging down very low when they were closed on the UA 764s I have been on. However, from what I reme
76 ThePinnacleKid : "Other elements of the Boeing 767-300ER retrofit project include the installation of new LCD drop-down monitors, new digital audio systems, refreshed
77 Post contains images qqflyboy : There won't be any changes to the overhead bins in this refurb. The centerline bins on the 763 in J-class will remain, however useless they are.
78 boilerla : Ouch. All flat bed international....5 years down the road? UA is there now, and DL is almost there. Five years is a long time to play angled bed roul
79 OB1504 : Will they be putting power outlets in the Main Cabin? The Wi-Fi isn't of much use if the personal electronic device is dead.
80 joepatroni707 : We got a notification on the printer today about an aircraft "reconfiguration" notice this afternoon. Looks like N350 will be the first one to get the
81 9w748capt : I've always liked the 767 - even in Y you're never more than a seat from the aisle. Wide enough but not "dreaded middle seat" wide. No doubt these bir
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